Update: Smash is Back!! Changes to Evo 2013 Smash Schedule

By on July 9, 2013 at 3:02 pm
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Update, 6:38 PM

I’ve just received word from Nintendo that the Evo Smash Bros. Melee stream will be allowed to proceed. We will be restoring the original stream and tournament schedules. Obviously this is a huge relief for all of us here and we’re thrilled that the world will get to see the best Smash players fight it out this weekend. Thanks to everyone online who supported both Evo and Smash, and thanks to Nintendo for allowing us to stream their game.

Here are the restored schedules with Smash in its rightful place.

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Original Post

Regrettably, we’ve just been informed by Nintendo of America Inc. that we do not have permission to broadcast Super Smash Bros. Melee for Evo 2013. In light of this, we must make the following changes to the schedule.

  • Smash has been removed from the stream schedule and replaced with a mix of Persona 4 Arena and King of Fighters XIII
  • Smash Finals have been moved from Sunday to Saturday, 2:00 PM
  • Persona 4 Arena Finals have been moved to Sunday, 10:00 AM
  • King of Fighters XIII Finals have beem moved to Sunday, 12:00 PM
  • And people used to say that the CapCops were bad…

    • R.D. Covenant

      I really hope the legal team got a little too gung-ho and are being reprimanded as we speak…..
      If not, then I will be severely disappointed in nintendo.

  • Chewmandinga

    That’s lame 🙁

  • NyuBomber

    Nintendo, why. 🙁

    EDIT: Call Kotaku!

    EDIT 2: Kotaku Called! http://kotaku.com/nintendo-wont-let-top-fighting-game-tournament-stream-724293474

    EDIT 3: FIVE GOLDEN LETTERS

    EDIT 4: Last one ,gotta get this right. *Ahem*

    FIVE STOCKED

    • dopeedoo

      The one time they may be able to help us with something. I agree, calling them with this is actually a good move for anyone in the Smash Bros community. Spread the message. It is early enough in the week to possibly have them change their mind if enough reporting of this goes out.

      • Jamie Andrew

        Yeah its early enough alright; early enough for Nintendo to sue Evo. Nintendo is sue happy. If people send media their way on this crap you may open a can of worms you don’t want to. I would let this die and I think Mr Wizard and them would honestly agree. Nintendo can sue them for using their game to gain money for a charity without permission.

        • TheAverageGuyTAG

          “Nintendo can sue them for using their game to gain money for a charity without permission.”

          Then why haven’t they? (Hint: Because Nintendo doesn’t have a problem with the game being at EVO)

          • Jamie Andrew

            “Can sue” they still can if they want to; its within their rights. You want to nitpick at what I have said well again: why didn’t Mr Wizard pick up the phone and call Nintendo. Instead of going back for some straw man argument, answer that.

          • SpongeJordan123

            He likely did, just as MLG did for Brawl. They can’t stop the tournament from running the event, but they can stop it from being broadcasted. Nintendo has multiple times in the past simply not replied for the request.

          • dopeedoo

            Or they can do the sensible thing and change their mind, like they did.

            Kudos for them for having some semblance of a brain.

            You can still wear that tin foil hat if you want, though. Evo isn’t until Friday.

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            I hope you’re enjoying eatin’ that crow. ;3

    • Xavier Hore

      What’s the number to call?

    • Cla

      This is Nintentdo’s way of making sure that the fans don’t mistake Smash as a fighting game.

      • Jamie Andrew

        This is about business. You should blame the organizers of Evo and not Nintendo

        • TheAverageGuyTAG

          Why, if EVO was able to stream the game in the past with no problem?

          • gourry

            EVO of the past never really garnered the viewership and status like it does now. Times have changed.

        • Cla

          And you should learn to read. Evo wants to stream the footage, but Nintendo is the one saying no. Why would I blame the Evo organizers instead of Nintendo?

          • Jamie Andrew

            And maybe you should go and look up the law:Copyright infringement. They even said it in the article they did not have permission to stream. With that being the case, I am going to go and ask you like i asked my buddy the average guy tag: why couldn’t mr wizard call and ask them months ago if Evo could stream the game?

          • Cla

            Obviously Mr Wizard has asked, and Nintendo said no. Again, why would blame Evo when Nintendo is the one stopping this from happening?

            Also if you really want to bring the law into this, I’m pretty sure a good lawyer can convince a judge that streaming the footage would be protected under the Fair Use Act:

            http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html

            Think about how radio stations don’t have to pay to play music because it’s “free advertisement”. Pretty much the same concept for streaming footage online.

            UPDATE: It doesn’t matter now because Nintendo just said they will allow the stream afterall.

    • Francisco

      #freenintendo Is one of the reasons why I logged into my Twitter in more than 4 months. #resignsatoruiwata is the other one.

  • EA575

    D:

  • SpiderDan

    Nothing like a community built around a game produced by a company that hates you.

    SSBM fans: NINTENDO WANTS YOU TO GO AWAY.

    • VicViper

      ignorance

      • SpiderDan

        Proof is in the pudding.

        • GO4PRO

          I really hate that phrase.

          • Shortbread

            Is it because it makes you hungry?

          • GO4PRO

            …you might be on to something

      • Jebril

        Nopes Nintendo doesn’t want any kind of real ‘competitive’ community with trash talk and all that, they’re a family oriented company after all.

    • SpongeJordan123

      They did the same thing with MLG and Brawl.

    • Timic83

      It’s the forbidden fighting game that they don’t WANT you to play. It’s too good for this world and for their image. That’s why it’s the fucking best.

  • dopeedoo

    oh my fucking god, nintendo. oooooooooooooooh my god.

    my brain exploded at least 10 times reading this. the worst and stupidest move you can do.

    WAY TO MAKE THAT HYPE FOR THE NEXT SMASH BROS GAME. h

    Why the fuck didn’t they go “oh hey, this is awesome. we can use this as some sort of way to promote the new smash bros. Showcase some good shit, ya know”. No, instead they go “THIS IS OUR GAME WE DIDNT GIVE YOU PERMISSION WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO PROMOTE SHIT”

    interest dropped a bit for the next smash bros. Why the fuck should i get it if i cant see it unless its on official nintendo tournaments *which do not exist* or nintendo streams.

    • Mr_Kensou

      Okay, come off the crack buddy because this was NOT the next Smash game but rather MELEE!! How would your interest be lost from a game they never had announced to be at EVO2013 in the first place?

      Remember kids: PLEASE say “No” to crack!

      And I’m not talking about the drug neither.

      • dopeedoo

        Hurr duurr i cant understand anything so im gonna try to sound funny.

        What makes you honestly think that they will not do the same for the new Smash bros and tournaments ran using it as one of their games?

        This absolutely affects the next smash bros in how it will be broadcasted, if it will at all.

        Keep on being a dumb ass, bro. It is a good look for you.

      • Yudir Chang

        Same way I would get hype about any sequel if I see someone playing a previous title. Same way MvC2 gave 3 a lot of steam, people looked back to the hype days and were excited in anticipation.

  • Nathaniel Montes

    Seriously. Fuck Nintendo. Yeah, KOF gets a better timeslot, but Smash basically gets shafted. Not cool at all, Nintendo.

  • Gustavo Peralta Soto

    OOOOMMMMMMMMMMGGGGGGG

  • Milton O’Bannon

    Wow and this just adds to the ammunition for why people can’t take this game seriously. I’m really disappointed…

  • Rahavic

    oh wow bodied!! Nintendon’t

  • ReddChief78

    Thx Nintendo i was gonna use that time to take a break eat lunch run some aarons or something but still thx

  • Zidiane

    Thaaaaats shity. Jesus. Damn, can’t you just bump out some of the Injustice/UMVC pools? I mean, I’m pretty sure Smash finals is more important than that. After all this effort they’ve put into this?

    EDIT: Whoops, just read the first paragraph. Oh my god, Nintendo, what the hell! Seriously?!?!

    • Spabobin

      Did you even read it? They can’t show the smash finals, so they have to replace it with something else.

      • Zidiane

        Got a twitter message saying it was removed, then I checked the schedule and saw it was removed. I jumped to conclusions, sorry.

  • VicViper

    Are you serious?

    What a dick move. I hope someone will be able to coordinate a side stream.

    • Kr1spness

      We had one, always had one. Mr Wizard says if we stream anything he’ll kick us out in fear of a legal battle with Nintendo.

      • gourry

        You DO not want to have a legal battle with Nintendo. They got enough money to bury you 10 times over. Besides… it is their copyrighted product. YOU CAN NOT WIN.

  • One thing is the Smash community face prejudice for the rest of the FGC, but being bullied by NINTENDO itself? Man…

  • GO4PRO

    can’t wait to pirate all my favorite first party 3DS games when this flashcart rolls around, fuck you Nintendo

  • SpiderDan

    Just to recap…

    NRS/WB: pays to have Injustice streamed at Evo
    Nintendo: threatens to sue if Smash is streamed at Evo

    • dopeedoo

      Worse is that this is NoA. No “japanese company dont get shit” excuse here. This is just shameful.

    • SalvadorZombie

      And this is why I respect NRS above and beyond Nintendo. It’s not even a matter of being greedy or not; Nintendo is making a HORRIBLE BUSINESS DECISION here. They’ve destroyed any good will between themselves and gamers in the know and ELIMINATED a FREE PUBLICITY SOURCE. Good job, you fucking retards.

    • TheAverageGuyTAG

      Make sure you note that the Melee situation is completely out of the hands of the EVO organizers.

  • Samuel Edwards

    could it have been something smaller than EVO? so much hype, destroyed for no good reason!

  • Brandon Nance

    Fuck this shit. Forever. The only reason Smash isn’t a fighter is cause fucking Nintendo refuses progress, which is why every system since the fucking SNES has been a pile of shit.

  • Andre Felix

    that really sucks

  • ネックロー

    Thats so dumb Nintendo. And you wonder why your buisness is going down the crapper. Personally id rather watch P4A and KOF anyways.

  • Hays Kronke

    Other companies would pay big money for this kind of exposure, Nintendo. What’s your problem?

  • LunaSlave

    Nintendo being stupid = more Persona and KOF for me to watch. It’s idiotic on their part but I can’t complain about the end result from a personal standpoint.

  • Deusxmachina

    There is a god!

  • Michael Zaimont

    Fans raised $90k for breast cancer research to get the game featured, turned out in DROVES for the largest Melee tournament ever, and Nintendo decides that it would be a bad idea to allow people all over the world to watch this event. That’s an absolutely terrible PR choice. If we’d made Smash I’d bring the E3 demo of the new game and milk it for all it was worth.

    (Does this mean SG/Divekick could get a slot not opposite MvC3? /ingratiating request)

    • Just goes to show you how out of touch they are with the gaming community as as a whole smh.

    • Lawrence Ohh

      I know, If I was Nintendo CEO, I would use this time to PROMOTE the new Smash on Wii-U with Megaman as free-to-play demo AT EVO to even farther promote the freaking dying console of Wii-U. And they actually WONDER why Wii-U is failing so badly.

      Look at what MK9 and Injustice did. They embraced EVO and promoted their game at EVO and that’s even WHY that game got the attention as it is now. (Remember DC vs MK, of how every fighting game vet said that game is garbage.)

      • Michael_Glade

        yes because playing smash from 2 genereations ago obviously would promote their new game.

        • Parker_S

          how is it even within the realm of interpretational possibility that something like this would not have brought more attention to their upcoming product? what?

          • Michael_Glade

            if “fighting game pros” refuse to play the most recent smash, what hope is their for the next game, which may be even crazier than the last

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            Because they’re proving that the series is still worth pursuing by playing what they believe to be the best game in the series. Duh.

          • Michael_Glade

            yes people wont spend money on the new game because they are still playing the old ones

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            Your logic implies that no new video games should ever be released because there will always be lots of people that play the old ones.

          • Michael_Glade

            this isnt people just playing, its a huge advertising opportunity

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            “If we’d made Smash I’d bring the E3 demo of the new game and milk it for all it was worth.”
            – Mike Z

            That’s how you advertise the game.

          • Michael_Glade

            and then next evo people are still playing melee when nintendo wants them to play smash wiiu. They are doing it for brawl, not promoting their newest game

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            And what happens if people are still playing Brawl when the new Smash Bros. comes out?

          • Michael_Glade

            evo isnt hosting brawl now when its been out for like 5 years. You realize im talking about game promotion, not just random people playing the game.

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            And what would have happened if EVO put in Brawl instead of Melee, and when the new Smash Bros. game comes out, people are still playing Brawl at EVO instead of the new Wii U game?

          • Michael_Glade

            its not going to happen because brawl is an old game, it was on the list and melee smashed it in donation numbers, its very obvious which game the FGC likes more

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            So you’re saying that they should have chosen the game that people liked less so that it wouldn’t be played over and over?

            Not that any of this matters, since we’re pretty sure we know the reason why Melee is blocked from being streamed, and it has absolutely nothing to do with Melee being chosen over Brawl or promoting SSB4 or Nintendo/Sakurai not wanting Smash to be competitive.

          • Michael_Glade

            no they shouldve chosen the more recent game so NINTENDO COULD MAKE MORE MONEY OFF OF BRAWL AND LATER THE NEW SMASH…… you realize nintendo is a business right?

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            Nintendo would have still blocked streaming. You realize this, right?

          • Michael_Glade

            so saying baseless assumptions as if they are fact, concession accepted

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            Nintendo does not want ANY third parties streaming ANY of their games, especially if it earns those third parties revenue. This is not a baseless assumption; this is a fact. Unless you wish to contest this fact, I’ll gladly accept your concession. 😉

          • Parker_S

            an event like this helps to communicate to both new audiences and old that their IP is still relevant. if people are still playing melee next year, that’s on Nintendo for not making a new game that appealed to them. those people were going to do that regardless of whether or not this tournament was streamed. an event like this increases the likelihood that more people will get invested in smash–the brand, generally–period, and that’s better than not having that exposure.

          • Michael_Glade

            yea see how high level melee can be played, so go out and buy a gamecube and melee, instead of a wii and brawl. of course the former will most likely be bought used 🙂

          • Parker_S

            how hard is this to understand? the people who are so serious about melee that they were never going to play anything that didn’t live up to that standard were always going to do that no matter what, regardless of EVO’s stream. there are, however:
            a.) people who don’t know about smash at all
            b.) people who are aware of it but are under the impression it’s not worth their attention
            c.) people who did play and enjoy the games in the past but haven’t really thought about them in ages

            these are all people who go from not a customer to potential customer. even entertaining the ridiculous premise that all they do is go buy a gamecube and melee and absolutely nothing else, they’ve still won more people who know and care about smash, improved their reputation in various demographics, got more people talking/thinking about the future of smash, etc.

            basically the only way this doesn’t work is if nintendo actually just wants to make brawl again and isn’t admitting it. either way it’s on them for not delivering, and there’s no way EVO could possibly hurt more than it could help, ultimately.

          • VicViper

            because that game is literal garbage

          • Michael_Glade

            ^yep, exactly what melee on the evo card will make people think about brawl, the game they are most likely going to make money on

          • Parker_S

            sakurai has been running up and down the press circuit saying that Smash U will be more like melee than brawl was, better serving both audiences. how is promoting melee detrimental in that context?

        • R.D. Covenant

          You mean like spreading a brand name?

        • Excelancer

          Capcom promoted SSFIV by doing an HD remake of Super Turbo, and not with his predecessor (3rd Strike).

    • TheAverageGuyTAG

      I was wondering when your post would finally get a downvote.

    • Trekiros

      We won ! We won !
      Thanks for being a part of it Mike, it is much appreciated !

  • WTH NINTENDO

  • Billy Fletcher

    Evo wanted to stream, Nintendidn’t.

  • $19298411

    Smart Move: Message Nintendo and let them know you want to see the game on stream

    Kid Move: complain about it and bash Nintendo in comments that they’ll never see, because that’ll show them…..

    EDIT: https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica <—Nintendo's twitter.

    • dopeedoo

      Voicing frustration is different from tweeting them with obscenities. I get you are trying to convey this message of “maturity”, but venting isn’t immature. There is a difference between venting and and complaining and bashing them directly via twitter/facebook/email.

      nice1

      • $19298411

        Actually venting is pretty immature depending on how you go about it. It’s akin to throwing a temper tantrum only you aren’t beating your fist and feet into the ground.

        A comment full of obscenities and saying you’ll pirate all their games and saying you haven’t bought a system since the SNES and that they’re going down hill and blah blah blah, isn’t venting, that’s throwing a temper tantrum.

        • dopeedoo

          “Actually venting is pretty immature depending on how you go about it.
          It’s akin to throwing a temper tantrum only you aren’t beating your fist
          and feet into the ground.”

          You are no longer allowed to feel any rage/anger/frustration/etc when faced in a situation that does not favor you. You are only now allowed to suck it up and move on and deal with it. That shouting you did when you died in something? Immature. Suck it up and carry on in a “mature way”. That salt you feel after a loss? Immature. Those comments you made to your friend in an idle conversation about a guy you thought did something obscene? Immature.

          Careful with how you word things, because your rules can bite you right back.

          • $19298411

            You’d have an argument, if I said that. Do note I have the caveat “depending on how you go about it”.

          • dopeedoo

            eh, touche.

          • $19298411

            *bows* thank you.

          • Parker_S

            nah, your argument is still pretty weak. you’re naive if you think nintendo will not be aware of the content of the website directly associated with the giant event they just went out of their way to suppress. i can guarantee you that they’ll see these comments. and i mean do you really think a calm, measured opinion from an anonymous voice actually has more influence on a giant corporation than a screaming, flailing rant? they just want to know what impact you’ll be having on their reputation and/or sales. if anything, asking nicely is only less likely to be effective in the mind of a PR executive. look at the Xbox One debacle.

            mind you, throwing a fit is not personally my thing, but i don’t think you understand the situation very well.

          • $19298411

            I am going to be honest and say you’re an idiot. Not only are you comparing two different things entirely, you seem to believe acting like a 5 year old is the way you get what you want. If your parents reared you that way I feel sorry for you. If you have done that in the real world, I feel sorry for you. The fact you actually think that way makes me feel sorry for you.

            I wish you the best in life.

          • Parker_S

            i don’t really think you understood anything i said. i didn’t support squealing like a child, i said it’s objectively just as if not more effective from the perspective of the people who pay attention to this stuff: the corporations. it’s not necessarily an intelligent or classy way to behave, and i don’t partake in it myself.

            what i’m saying is that your “smart move” and “kid move” scenarios are more similar in the eyes of the people writing the checks than you think. nintendo isn’t a person; you can’t have a conversation with a company. you can get its attention, though. nintendo doesn’t want to be seen as the next microsoft, and that’s exactly why shrill screeches in the comments section of the site for the tournament they just threatened legal action against is just as effective as a polite tweet.

            let me say it one more time: i’m not saying this is what you should do, i’m saying nintendo will pay attention to it anyway.

          • $19298411

            You sound like one of those Occupy movement guys.

          • Parker_S

            i mean, it’s not even an argument, really. do you know that there are people paid specifically to read our stupid internet comments all day for exactly this reason?

          • $19298411

            Do you know that they really don’t care and tune out 90% of the crap we say on here? You’re right, it isn’t an argument because you don’t have one to begin with.

          • Parker_S

            lol what? you think a company doesn’t care about the way it’s perceived by the public–about its current and potential customers? how do you think this works, exactly?

            let me put it another way: they tune out what they can -afford- to tune out. how much a “#fucknintendo #whensmelee” effort costs them is the question they’re going to be asking themselves right now.

          • $19298411

            Yuuuuup you basically just made a massive strawman argument, please…go back under the bridge.

          • Parker_S

            wh–…strawman? that’s not even…

            i mean, like, if you don’t want to do this, that’s fine, but the accusations of trolling aren’t very conducive to any sort of debate or discussion, especially when i’m actually kind of engaging you and you’re just going “no shut up stupid i feel sorry for you wow troll get an argument um shut up”.

            so, one more time. you can give it a pass or not, that’s fine: this entire issue is about nintendo’s [and their products’] public image and what effect that has on the thing they want to sell soon. i do not encourage screaming about things, but the truth of the matter is that nintendo does see and care about what you say here. they, like you, don’t want to see people dragging their name (and game) through the mud. the thing is that they’re more motivated by that fact than they are motivated by some fighting game enthusiast’s desire to see melee played competitively on stream.

            again: do you think microsoft completely readjusted a ten year roadmap because somebody on twitter somewhere said please and thank you?

          • $19298411

            Once more you’re arguing with a strawman.

          • Excelancer

            You got pretty much burned by this Parker guy. You should learn from his perspective, and also to deal with it

          • $19298411

            you’re so late to the party idk why you are even commenting.

          • Excelancer

            Because I felt like it, and because I can, this is the Internet, never is to late. There are so many answers…..

          • $19298411

            Like I said. Go back under the bridge with your friend. Also, arguing with strawman arguments doesn’t “burn” anyone.

    • Nathaniel Montes

      I’ve done both.

    • Lawrence Ohh

      I think you are on the right track. I think Smashboard should hold a petition to Nintendo of America and tell them they should support EVO.

      • $19298411

        Exactly, put it on the smash boards, take to Miiverse, take to twitter, facebook. If you make your voice heard, 1000s of us 10,000s of us, Nintendo will be forced to respond to us. Good or bad, they have to acknowledge the Smash Community.

        I should fully disclose I have ZERO interest in Smash competitively, however, I fully support any community that puts in the work to get their game recognized by others and puts in the amount of work the Smash Community does to be taken seriously.

  • Jon Nitti

    nintendo hates competitive smash. they want it to be a party game. i wasn’t surprised this happened but i thought it would happen earlier.

    • Parker_S

      what’s the deal, though? melee is great because it appeals to both competitive and “casual” players. shouldn’t everyone be happy in that situation?

  • ReddChief78

    Use the time to get some more Killer Instinct on stream

    • windsagio

      It’s already there, no?

      (yes. yes it is)

  • Alex

    Quick get some copies of Playstation All Stars Battle Royal, it’s the same game right???

  • Andy Brown

    Yesssss, back to povertystatus where you belong Smash fans!

  • On one hand I’m pissed off by Nintendo’s idiot decision. On the other hand more p4a and KOF XIII :D…Got to take the bitter with the sweet.

    Nintendo killing hype since 2013

  • BeholdMyPower

    Nintendo…what the actual fuck is wrong with you?

  • Kr1spness

    I have lost care in Nintendo, melee is to good of a game for me to give up but this is too much of a direct blow to us.

  • Graham Shryock

    Everyone should be RESPECTFULLY tweeting at @NintendoAmerica telling them how much you’d really enjoy watching Melee at EVO.

    Trolling, flaming, or yelling at them will only take us backwards; showing genuine interest can only help us.

    Let’s get on this and see if we can’t change their minds!

  • Panamagreen

    ……….and Tekken Tag 2 still gets the shaft

  • Mr. X

    This is bullshit. What the hell Nintendo? Look at the massive amount of love people are giving to Smash Bros Melee and this is how you respond?

  • VicViper

    In all honesty, whether you like the game or not, you can’t deny that this is a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE decision.

    • GCBill

      Agreed 100%

  • Trick0ut

    Just wow your community donated 100k to breast cancer to get their game played at EVO and you shut the stream down…….. Amazing the amount of disrecpect your community does nothing but support your game and you do nothing besides shit on your community.

  • aTYpicalTYrant

    The FANS DID EVERYTHING TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN! People have come out of retirement for this! This could open up the Smash communiTY even more. Nintendo may not care about the competitive Smash scene. But without it Smash would be long forgotten. This IS a fucking travesTY. There will probably be death threats sent to Nintendo for this. People have taken time off of work, booked plane tickets, and hotel reservations for this tourney….

    • JELIFISH19

      And they’ll still go. The only people this affects are the people who are watching from home. A lot of people who donated are in that group but the donation drive was just about making the game a main game at Evo. It had nothing to do with streaming. It’s still a main game. It’s just not being streamed. That doesn’t take away from the fact that Evo will be the biggest Melee tournament ever.

      • aTYpicalTYrant

        They DESERVE TO BE ON THE STREAM THOUGH! This is ethically wrong.

    • windsagio

      TY

  • dopeedoo

    “For you, the day Nintendo graced your ‘tournament’ was the most important day of your life. But for me, it was Tuesday”.

    Sorry…had to.

    • I don’t know who you are, but you are awesome.

    • aTYpicalTYrant

      Pure Gold my friend

  • Lawrence Ohh

    WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW As if Nintendo is ALREADY doing bad with Wii-U…. And now you guys are saying **** u to loyal Nintendo fans who actually BOTHERS buying your stuff just for Smash….

    Way to promote your already failing new console of Wii-U. Smash is literally the saving grace for that console and now you do THIS to your main hardcore Smash fans…. Great marketing man. As if the console already don’t have much games and I’ve talked to many casual non-hardcore people and they don’t even KNOW the existance of Wii-U still.

  • badjab326

    This ladies and gentlemen, is why Smash isn’t a fighting game. Goodnight everyone! Kappa

    • Ryan ♡( •ॢ◡-ॢ)✧˖° ♡

      Let it be known Evo has had Mario Kart and Pokemon before.

      • badjab326

        Wasn’t there a Tekken Ball tourney too? Or was that a So-Cal Regionals exclusive?

        • Ryan ♡( •ॢ◡-ॢ)✧˖° ♡

          I think that was just SCR.

  • Oniros

    I feel ashamed to own a 3DS, let alone being a Nintendo fan today. This is just plain sad; like watching an old friend getting more and more lunatic as years go by. I was excited to see my favorite game of all time in the biggest stage in the world for fighting games. I can’t even begin to think how frustrated the Melee community must feel. Shout outs to them for having fought tooth and nail to get there in the first place.

  • Gregory Prytyka Jr.

    See people, THIS is why you shoulda gave your money to stream Skullgirls instead. =P

    • Michael_Glade

      nobody wants to see a 12 man tournament at evo

  • Sabin1936

    Why doesn’t this fall under fair use? Why are the EVO organizers not fighting it? Where’s UltraDavid when you need him?

    • Marvin Choi

      Technically, it never falls under fair use, and companies always have the right to pull games from stream.

  • People donated to see Super Smash Bros Melee at EVO. It’s not fair to both the people eager to watch and the people participating. Let @NintendoAmerica know how you feel. #SmashForEvo

  • darkdragon88
    • $19298411

      Encourage others to do the same and they actually might.

  • Louis Lam

    Melee and its community are way too good to belong to such a shit company.

  • Doctors Tardis

    Wow.

  • Jake Loredo

    Really, Nintendo? Way to wait until the last second…

  • Michael_Glade

    this was done for either 2 reasons

    1. Melee is the game being played, and the FGC isnt supporting nintendos new game, maybe they think when the new wiiu smash comes out the FGC will still play melee.
    2. Nintendo agrees with 90% of the FGC and knows that smash isnt a fighting game

    • Dynami

      Or the same guys at the legal team that shut down smash at MLG in years past due to certain Nintendo policies finally noticed another tournament that’d be raking in dough. The sad thing is that EVO would probably happily play Nintendo ads or whatever but they didn’t think to ask.

      • Michael_Glade

        but they wont even play the newest smash. (brawl) all you are doing is promoting a dead game in nintendos eyes

    • TheAverageGuyTAG

      It’s actually probably because Nintendo of America doesn’t want people making money by streaming Nintendo games. It’s the same issue with Nintendo-based LPs.

    • Louis Lam

      If they’re afraid of people not playing their new game why don’t they make their new game good?

  • Kr1spness

    Guys please help us by tweeting #Melee4Evo #NintendoStreamEvo #FreeMelee #SSBM. They’re all trending but we need numbers to turn heads. Also…call kotaku? #FuckNintendo is also trending but ive avoided that.

    • $19298411

      Yes, let’s avoid #FuckNintendo as that only confirms what they already think of the Smash Community and the FGC probably as a whole, a bunch of kids. It’s better to voice your opinion with a calm head than shouting a bunch of obscenities.

      • Dhruv Rajyagor

        ^^^ This!! Instead of ranting and bashing nintendo, we need to do this calmly. Yea, Nintendo meant Smash to be a party game, but let’s face it; the moment they made Melee, they got the attention of the hardcore fanbase: us. Now, we need to show them that we want Smash to be streamed at EVO. We need to tell them that we want Smash to be streamed at evo. They won’t be convinced if only a few people ask. We ALL need to ask. With that said, WHO’S WITH ME?! 😀

  • Nullspace

    Smash community finally gets their game back into EVO. Nintendo kills the stream.

    Troll level: Corporate

  • James Farrar

    How stupid, on Nintendo’s part. I would like to thank them, though, for making room for actual FGs, in the lineup. The game from last year with the best top 8 bracket (edit: KoFXIII) being pushed behind Smash was a bigger travesty than this. I call this a win.

    • TheAverageGuyTAG

      You call wrong.

    • Randall Tyree Mandersohn

      Ignorance at it’s finest…

      Right behind what Nintendo did.

      • James Farrar

        Love the game or hate it, KoFXIII had the best top 8, at last year’s EVO. It deserves this more than Smash. A game that has plenty of it’s own big tournaments. It’s not like they aren’t getting a seat at the table. Call Nintendo, if you have a problem with it. It’s their fault.

        • TheAverageGuyTAG

          “Love the game or hate it, KoFXIII had the best top 8, at last year’s EVO.”

          That sounds like an opinion to me. An opinion that regards not this year’s tournament.

          • James Farrar

            If you don’t think it was exciting, I don’t know what to tell you. The whole room was losing their sh*t, while it was going on. KoF is in, which is all I care about. The fact that it came at the expense of a party game makes EVO a better FG tournament, because it takes skill to play it. It’s a win-win. I’m sorry your favorite game is trash, for competitive play.

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            My point was that an opinion regarding a previous tournament isn’t enough to trounce winning a donation drive.

    • Louis Lam

      Persona 4 Arena is the only game that slipped in but top Japanese players can’t make it to finals now because of the time changes.

  • uhawww

    Nintendo: “When’s Marvel?”

  • Dynami

    ATTN EVO STAFF:

    Have you considered that P4A players might’ve made arrangements to leave early as a result of its previously announced finals time/date? Moving finals day later, as much as that may help the hype, could hurt people that are actually playing and stuff.

    • Marvin Choi

      This is very, very true.

      Fuck, all sorta of plans are in peril, now.

  • H_Magnus

    Capcom does what Nintendon’t.

  • You should switch the game up with Brawl since Nintendo only specified Melee, hehehe.

    But for real though, if you guys want to see Smash, just go to the event and witness it in person. Or have a someone there to stream it privately for you.

    • aTYpicalTYrant

      The problem is that Brawl is the inferior game….

      • It’s not gonna get anywhere if people don’t just accept Brawl as is then. And I remember watching EVO couple years ago, and there’s always people in the chat hating on Smash and calling it not a “real fighter”. There were some instances where they had Smash streaming but didn’t have that big of a segment as any of the other Capcom fighters.
        Anyway, it’s good to see that the series is growing in popularity and that more people are starting to care about it now.

        • Louis Lam

          We certainly did get somewhere with the better game. Evo. With almost 700+ entries, that’s more attendance than Brawl could ever imagine, and Melee’s been streamed before at Evo and lots of other tournaments, this is just a random dick move.

    • Kr1spness

      We have an unofficial streamer, two actually, one for a salty suite. Evo staff said they’d kick us out if anyone is caught streaming it.

  • windsagio

    Nintendo seems to think that profit is zero-sum.

    If somebody else is benefiting from their game, it means they’re not.

    (Which, is, needless to say, madness… but then, it’s also Nintendo)

    • Marvin Choi

      It’s most likely the separate legal department running on auto-pilot with bad orders. It happens a lot with large corporations.

      • windsagio

        They are known for this kind of thing though, reference to “Let’s Play”

  • Michael_Glade

    the saddest part is how the FGC thinks their voice actually matters. Even if all the FGC played smash and refused to buy another nintendo game, they wouldnt even make a dent in sales

  • Guest

    Let the childish hate train begin.

  • RomanceHD

    Nintendo you guys just don’t get it. I mean if you’re going to do this, why do it last minute? It would have been a bad perception from the public anyways but you never do things like this last minute and not expect tantrums to be thrown.
    The Nintendo 5-0 does it again!

  • Obanye

    You guys realize this is more than most likely coming from Nintendo Legal team and not the CEOs or Product Mangers or any other such shit right?

    • tickles

      well they better get on it then.

  • Martini Whoelse

    No talks about refunds from EVO staff. Well played.

    • Louis Lam

      Everyone who paid to go for Melee (and other games) is still gonna watch and play live.

    • RenegadeVA

      Lol… Who cares about a $70 refund when those $500 plane tickets are non refundable?

      • Martini Whoelse

        The people who paid $570 and above care.

      • Michael_Glade

        you realize the game is till being played, just not streamed

  • Socran

    For the record, this is apparently an unintended side effect from a recent issue involving third parties such as Ouya using Nintendo IPs to promote their own properties. Their legal department was asked to do something about this, apparently without double-checking each individual case. Rather than wasting time accusing Nintendo of specifically hating on EVO in particular, simply let them now how important it is that they take this instance out of the crossfire. They fixed their Let’s Play issues within a week of people speaking up about it, although of course nobody ever noticed that.

  • mutantmagnet

    Now that I took some time to think this over, did they ask for broadcasting fees or did they simply sent a cease and desist letter?

  • Thesimpleway

    I’m not that into SSM, but fans spent real money on having it on the biggest tournament in the world and now this. It sucks being let down by the company who makes your favourite game.

    • Jamie Andrew

      It sucks the organizers did not approach Nintendo before the donation drive. The organizers are so use to making back room deals with their buddies at these companies until they did not know how to properly set this up. This is on Mr Wizard and The Cannons and whomever else; not Nintendo

      • TheAverageGuyTAG

        No, this one is on Nintendo because they’re the one shutting down something that would have absolutely no negative impact on them without a good reason.

        • Jamie Andrew

          This is business and at the end of the day you have to go through the appropriate channels to get things done. I know in your world this would have no negative impact but you have to get a companies permission before you use their products in any way shape or form. No matter how much benefit you deem they will receive at the end of the day you need permission and to go through their channels to get it. This is the down side with this streaming thing and watch in the next few years people will start getting sued because you can not do whatever you want to do with someone elses product and not get permission. Its simple as that. It is business at the end of the day. Why not put blame where blame should be put and thats on the organizers. They knew they wanted to do a donation drive. They should have contacted Nintendo of America gave them specifics of what they were doing and explained if Smash is chosen can we please stream it? That was back in December. Now a few days before the event they are shocked by the outcome. ITS THEIR FAULT…Don’t blame Nintendo, blame them for their poor ethics and business practices.

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            “I know in your world this would have no negative impact”

            Are you implying that you know of such a negative impact? If so, kindly state it.

        • Jamie Andrew

          Without good reason? Are you saying not getting permission to use their game in a fund raiser drive and not getting permission from them to broadcast their game is not a good reason? That is on the organizers. Whomever runs evo is so use to doing back room deals until they don’t know how to approach a real company. At the end of the day you need to get permission. That is what this comes down to. The Cannons and Mr Wizard did not ask Nintendo could they use their game in the donation drive nor did they ask could they stream their game at a nationally publicized tournament. Why do you think MLG is not streaming and featuring Capcom games? They don’t have Capcom’s permission. Based on your logic they should be able to up and stream the games because its for their benefit; in actuality capcom would benefit more by letting MLG stream and do tournaments than allowing the FGC but because Sundance is by the book and not about the back room deals its not happening. Its business at the end of the day. As I said before the angry should be at Mr Wizard and The Cannons they should have asked back in November and if Nintendo would have said no you can’t stream our game; they could have put another game in the rotation. That would have solved everything but then again back room dealing 101.

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            “Without good reason? Are you saying not getting permission to use their game in a fund raiser drive and not getting permission from them to broadcast their game is not a good reason? ”

            Indeed I am. Prove me wrong.

          • Jamie Andrew

            Capcom and MLG is a perfect example. Capcom would benefit tremendously if they allowed MLG to feature their games but they do not have the permission to do so. Sundance has met with Capcom 3 times and all 3 times they have declined him. So he does not stream their games. Nintendo is the same way. The Cannons and Mr Wizard did not ask permission to use their game in that fund raiser drive nor did they ask permission to stream it. Nintendo caught wind that they were going to stream and said no. All of this could have been avoided if Mr Wizard and the Canons went to Nintendo back in December and asked their permission. Based on your logic they are not at fault but they are. They did not have permission. They violated the copyright agreement. That is further proof. Copyright infringement is the use of works under copyright, infringing the copyright holder’s exclusive rights, such as the right to reproduce, distribute, display or perform the copyrighted work, or to make derivative works, without permission from the copyright holder, which is typically a publisher or other business representing or assigned by the work’s creator.

            They were going to display their products on a world wide state with out permission. Tell me why are you ignoring the fact that they didn’t get permission? That is the main issue: why didn’t they ask? Why did they take the Smash Community money knowing they didn’t have permission to use that game in their little charity drive? Why didn’t they ask if they could stream the game? All they had to do was ask? That is the main question people should be wondering. Nintendo is within their rights based on the copy right law. What is their excuse?

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            “They were going to distribute”

            Not true.

            And I am ignoring it because it’s not the issue people have a problem with.

            Also, being within rights due to copyright does nothing to make them look any less like the bad guys in this case, especially considering the circumstances.

          • Jamie Andrew

            Read the entire thing of what copy right infringement is: they were going to display it; without permission. At the end of the day they needed their permission. You cannot just say Nintendo is wrong for protecting their rights, when these guys clearly did not even bother to ask. Its like me coming in your home to rob you, you shoot me and i sue you based on you shooting me. In court you can’t bring up why you shot me, we only can talk about me being shot. That makes no sense. There is a cause and effect to everything and the question that should be asked is: Why Mr Wizard and The Canon’s did not ask Nintendo permission back in December of 2012? If they would have this wouldn’t be an issue.

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            “You cannot just say Nintendo is wrong for protecting their rights”

            We’re not saying they’re wrong; we’re saying they’re bad guys for exercising their right to cease and desist something in a situation that would a) not benefit them at all for doing so b) not negatively impact them should they have decided not to exercise their right to do so (in fact, it’s far, FAR more likely that it would have POSITIVELY impacted them).

            Also: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/29/samuel-joseph-cutrufelli-jay-leone-lawsuit-robber-sues-victim_n_2040468.html

            Just a rather humorous coincidence I thought I’d point out.

          • Jamie Andrew

            Ok lets go off your logic. So if this was going to benefit Nintendo and not impact them in a negative way…Why couldn’t Mr Wizard and the Canons call them up and say that. Why didn’t they ask permission before hand. They could have said exactly what you just said. So why were they too good to pick up the phone and do so?

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            Because Nintendo’s stance on third party streaming did not arise until well after SSBM was already chosen as the 8th game (if I recall correctly). If Nintendo did not suddenly decide to make an attempt in stopping LPs and streams of their games, this wouldn’t have been an issue. On top of that, it’s a very safe bet that this would have also not been an issue if Nintendo had come to the EVO people sooner about this issue rather than wait until the week of the tournament to do this. What made Nintendo wait for several months to do this as opposed to as soon as possible? Surely it can’t be that they didn’t know because the news that Melee was going to be at EVO was very big and spread very quickly. Now let’s go back to your logic: What is the logic in shutting down something that would have zero negative impact on them and would likely have positive impact on them?

    • Jamie Andrew

      “I would quit throwing that fans spent money” line…Nintendo will mess around and sue Evo into the next century.

  • Jamie Andrew

    I understand your frustrations but they are
    actually directed at the wrong source. The question should be when exactly did
    Evolution ask Nintendo for permission to stream or better yet if they did? If
    they did not get permission and Nintendo issued a cease and desist letter then that’s on Evolution not Nintendo. From the sound of it, Nintendo was never asked permission and therefore they were not going to allow Evolution to stream their game. The fault lies with Evolution and not Nintendo. Evolution should have asked Nintendo’s permission before they even had the donation drive; that way they would have had their blessings to stream and maybe got some sort of support. I know its probably
    complex for them to conduct business with a company, that does not have their
    friends connected to the company like at: Capcom, Nether realm Atlus and
    Namco; however this is the correct way to do business. Maybe in the future they
    will go outside their circle and approach companies in an appropriate manner.

    • TheAverageGuyTAG

      This is an issue with semantics, not legal business.

    • Louis Lam

      Evo and countless other tournaments streamed Melee (and Brawl and 64) to the front page of Twitch without asking for permission. To randomly pull out a dick move like this days before Evo is completely unexpected.

      • $19298411

        This was before Nintendo started to step into the online space (look at the LP videos and the subsequent reversal of their choice)

      • Jamie Andrew

        Nintendo back in February filed for the rights to receive all ad revenue on you tube of people who record any of their games. Streaming is a huge thing and Nintendo is preparing to protect their intellectual property and products. Watch other companies follow. Its business. At the end of the day companies are going to really start noticing how streaming will affect their sales. These companies had hard on about people renting games and used games wait till streaming gains even more momentum.

        • TheAverageGuyTAG

          “At the end of the day companies are going to really start noticing how streaming will affect their sales. These companies had hard on about people renting games and used games wait till streaming gains even more momentum.”

          Streaming a game that was released two generations ago?

          • Jamie Andrew

            The question that you seem to skip over is: Why didn’t they call and ask? Were they too good to do so?

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            Why did Nintendo wait until the last second to do it?

          • Jamie Andrew

            Nine times out of Ten Nintendo just caught wind of this because they are promoting Evolution 2013 now. They were not promoting Evo this heavy, but since its days away they are giving it a push. Nintendo caught wind through the media. Believe me if Nintendo would have known that back in January their game was being used in a donation drive without permission Mr Wizard and The Canons would have got a cease and desist letter.

          • Jamie Andrew

            By the way as quoted in this article: “Regrettably, we’ve just been informed by Nintendo of America Inc. that we do not have permission to broadcast Super Smash Bros. Melee for Evo 2013” Again why didn’t they pick up the phone back in December and ask for permission?

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            “Nine times out of Ten”

            I don’t think you know how to use that phrase.

            “Believe me if Nintendo would have known that back in January their game was being used in a donation drive without permission Mr Wizard and The Canons would have got a cease and desist letter”

            Do you even know what you’re arguing at this point? The game’s not being pulled from EVO; only the stream is.

          • Jamie Andrew

            I never said the game was being pulled from anything. You asked a question and I answered unlike you who for some reason can not even come up with a reason they couldn’t pick up the phone and ask can we stream your game? Simple question you have no answer for.

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            I already explained it in a separate post; this issue didn’t arise at the time because Nintendo did not care for third party streaming during the donation drive. Also, if you are aware that the game was not being pulled, why are you bringing up Nintendo suing over the donation drive if the issue for Nintendo has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DONATION DRIVE?

          • Jamie Andrew

            I never said the game was pulled you asked me why did Nintendo just do this now and I answered it. They just got wind of this. Simple.

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            I’m also asking why you are mentioning Nintendo potentially suing for their game being used in a donation drive when that has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

          • Jamie Andrew

            I mention that in referance to its their right to do so because its their property. If you read what I wrote that was the context it was used in. No big deal as I have asked you multiple of times: why didn’t mr wizard pick up the phone and call nintendo to ask? That is an issue at hand; not an illustration of me elaborating on a companies rights. Obviously you want to nit pick because this is all you have. Not once have you even attempted to answer that question and that was before i said anything about being sued.

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            “I mention that in referance to its their right to do so because its their property.”

            Then what the heck is the point of this post: “Yeah its early enough alright; early enough for Nintendo to sue Evo. Nintendo is sue happy. If people send media their way on this crap you may open a can of worms you don’t want to. I would let this die and I think Mr Wizard and them would honestly agree. Nintendo can sue them for using their game to gain money for a charity without permission.”

            Sure seems like you believe that Nintendo has a problem with Melee being in the donation drive.

            “No big deal as I have asked you multiple of times: why didn’t mr wizard pick up the phone and call nintendo to ask?”

            I just answered that two posts ago.

          • Jamie Andrew

            Did you read what that was in response to? It was in response to this comment: “he one time they may be able to help us with something. I agree, calling them with this is actually a good move for anyone in the Smash Bros community. Spread the message. It is early enough in the week to possibly have them change their mind if enough reporting of this goes out.” The point of my statement is if you set there and make this an issue they can sue. Nintendo is a sue happy company. You want to nitpick at something else because you don’t have two legs to stand on. Why not post your reply to why mr wizard was unable to pick up the phone and call Nintendo to ask permission. Oh wait you answered that, two post ago. Well you are so good and re-posting stuff do that. I am not trying to get into flame war with you or anyone else. All i am is stating the facts of how business works. Yes it sucks that Smash will not be streamed. I love Smash but at the same time I know how business work. Companies have a bottom line; its not about what you want or what you think. At the end of the day companies protect their intellectual property and profits. That’s it. I am also saying you can’t get mad at a company for doing that and maybe you should look at the big picture. Did the organizers do everything in their power to make sure this game would be featured at their event. You just can’t sit here for hours and blame the company for the reaction/action. You want to nitpick at what I said and lets see if that will get smash back on stream. Look at it this way, how would you react if you were a company.

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            “The point of my statement is if you set there and make this an issue they can sue.”

            Promising a game to be at a tournament as a reward for winning a donation drive is not legal grounds for a lawsuit. I hope you know this.

            And because you’re so desperate to hear my reason AGAIN: ” already explained it in a separate post; this issue didn’t arise at the time because Nintendo did not care for third party streaming during the donation drive.”

          • Jamie Andrew

            Dude i said that ten post ago and you still are on that. They needed permission to have that game in the drive and to promise to feature. YES THEY CAN SUE. If people send them enough complaints about this and during those complaints they mention they donated to have this game in the tournament…EVO CAN BE SUED. Any one who knows business, knows this. You can’t take money and promise to show case someone else’s product without permission. Are you crazy? I am done. Some of you are hard core fans and don’t understand business. I am a fan too but i know business. Do me a favor go ask a lawyer and watch what he tells you.

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            None of this is true. They aren’t taking any money at all. EVO people did not get a SINGLE penny out of it. People willingly donated to a charity organization. That completely changes EVERYTHING in the eyes of the law. So no, they cannot sue. Otherwise, Nintendo would have already slapped them with a cease and desist to get the game pulled from EVO.

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            Stream’s back on: SUCCESSSSSSSSSSSS!

          • Michael_Glade

            didnt only 30k people watch evo last year thats not even 1% of smash sales

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            Not that I understand the relevance of that at all, but source please.

          • Inan

            90k at least for UMvC 3. That might be the KOF XII number though.

    • windsagio

      Nintendo Pay well?

      • Jamie Andrew

        If me looking at it from a business perspective means Nintendo is paying me. GUILTY as charged.

        • windsagio

          Your ‘business perspective’ is laughably horrible though. Advocacy is at least somewhat more logical.

    • Kr1spness

      We were dropped from the mlg for asking permission, they never responded so mlg was scared to stream, this is what happens when you don’t ask, same shit.

      It’s sad, after our work you can expect Evo to drop us next year after being the third highest game after 12 years, and mlg was hinting at a new melee circuit. My question is what happens to our majors if we don’t fight this? No apex, no genesis, just non-sponsored, bare bones events to fly under the radar?

  • Skillionaire

    Good. Even Nintendon’t wanna sit through this shit game.

  • J0hnick

    My God Nintendo, your new console is almost dead in the water and instead of helping promote the next iteration of one of your flagship games, you stop a grass routes community who raised $95000 for breast cancer to get your game on to the roster ?. Way to fucking fail

    • Courtney Houston

      Agreed, in fact I suspect they’re going to get a substantial amount of negative press for this decision.

      • TheAverageGuyTAG

        Ya think?

    • Michael_Glade

      how would they promote the next one by refusing to play the current one?

      • TheAverageGuyTAG

        By showing the next one at the tournament.

  • DrKrazy

    Why not give the Stream time to Skullgirls? Didn’t they get second place and honorable mention from the Breast Cancer Research drive a few months back? Labzero has campaigned their butts off only to be trumped by Smash. EVO could atleast show’em a little love for their efforts.

  • grezex29

    I don’t want to be a dick but…I’m actually kind of digging the new stream schedule…and I legit mean no disrespect to Melee.

  • Cueio

    ლಠ益ಠ)ლ

  • goemon

    Why not just replace the smash portion with skullgirls?

  • Kufuu

    lol

  • Trekiros

    No.
    This needs to go viral.
    Anon, I call your power !

  • NguyenLmT

    Who turns down advertising for a game that came out in 2008? It can only help sales of the new Smash, oh wait its the same company that has horrible sales for its new Console.

    • Michael_Glade

      yea brawl isnt the game being played but the older version

    • Kr1spness

      Try 2001 dude.

  • AriesWarlock

    Stream Playstation Battle Royale instead.

    • TheAverageGuyTAG

      Stream DEADLIEST WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARIOR. Lol, that’d be funny. At least the full tournament wouldn’t take more than 20 minutes. 😛

  • Rothion

    Tekken still get the shaft indeed. The one who made these schedules must be shot.

    TTT2 is a great game – and it deserves more attention.

  • Brian Stone

    AAANNNDDDD Tekken still gets shit on. What an embarrassment to one of the best FGs ever made.

    Just for the record, I blame everyone- Evo, Namco and most of all Tekken’s shitty community. Can’t believe you all will let Tag 2 die in less than a year with so many layers of depth in the game barely even REALIZED.

    Also, funk smash, didn’t wanna see it anyways.

    /out

  • 100ctual

    as much as i think that smash is a joke…. obviously nintendos customer relations are an even bigger joke. what a dumb fucking move by Nintendo. Helps me understand more why the company is on its way to a Sega-sized collapse.

  • Barlton Canks

    Why did they wait so long? It’s like they timed it perfectly to fuck us over.

  • ZenTzen

    well i’m kinda happy with this, more KOF and P4 on stream and a better slot for KOF finals

    sucks for smash fans that wont be able to watch it on stream

  • Marvin Choi

    *fists raised high*

  • Michael_Glade

    turning down SSBM for streaming is a bad move on nintendos part, you know how many used gamecubes, and used SSBM games wouldve been sold,and they wouldve got no money from?

    • Kr1spness

      You know how Nintendo is trying to recapture the hardcore audience and is failing? Yeah this was a good way, espeically as advertisement for smash 4. Sure it’d sell anyways but why not take advantge of a situation and be the best you can be instead of riding on the coat tails of past successes. They’d go out of business at that rate.

  • OMG <3 FGC

  • vastreammonster

    Wow!!!! Our voices were actually heard???!

  • Inan

    I was staying up later than I wanted to tonight. Now I can sleep happy tonight.

  • Ricky Brown

    WHAT THE FUCK!?! lol (in a good way 🙂

  • Nintendo has been out of their fucking minds lately.

    Glad they reconsidered something..

  • Rahavic

    WE, THE PEOPLE! #freedmelee

    • Nullspace

      This is fucking gold, sir. Tell me, do you speak Dutch?

  • aTYpicalTYrant

    I guess I can put up my V for Vendetta Guy Fawkes mask……

  • b2j135

  • aTYpicalTYrant

    Dare I say Nintendo JUST LEARNED a thing from Microsoft? Dont F*CK WITH THE FANS!

  • EA575

    All of our comments are now invalid.

  • Andre Felix

    “Just as planned.” – Nintendo of America

    • Kr1spness

      Melee at evo has been covered on all major gaming sites sir.
      Sakurai “Just as pranned.”

  • Inan

    *sniffles*
    The Smash community really is amazing. EVO 2007, Breast Cancer Research Donation drive getting the game into EVO 2013, and now helping in the reversal of Nintendo’s stance.

    Reminds me of what James Chen said about the community:

    http://www.smashboards.com/threads/what-james-chen-wrote-about-ssbm-at-evo-2007.333776/

    Also serves as a reminder to the other struggling fighting game communities out there: show your love for your game and support it all the way.

    • Mike Jones

      Indeed Skullgirls for instance took second place in the donation drive to fight breast cancer and in the process we got to be added as the 9th game…. oh wait…. NRS bought that slot.

      Shows you what communities can achieve when going against the power of money hungry people. McRibs anyone?

      • Johnson Nguyen

        I and many others were extremely impressed by the Skullgirls community. That was a BS move by NRS, but never give up, and you have our support whenever you need it.

  • SR

    Nice gesture to P4A fans, EVO staff. Give them hope of proper stream coverage (including finals on Sunday, as it should be), then take it away immediately.

    • windsagio

      that’s a weird negative/enttiled way to look at it.

      Of course smash was gonna get its slots back.

      • SR

        OK then, here’s a more reasonable request: take away some of MK9’s disproportionately massive stream coverage and give it to P4A, as a gesture of goodwill towards the community you just stamped on.

        • Kr1spness

          More reasonable is not to stream pools over top 32. We already know NRS is supplying their own stream and set ups in the byoc hall, that’s why they get the time. They’re essentially a side tournament lol.

    • Dynami

      It’s too bad P4A won’t be having a sidestream by the fine folks at FinestKO… ah, wait…

    • Louis Lam

      It’s actually a good thing for P4A fans. At least one top P4A player from Japan wouldn’t have been able to make it because of scheduling issues :https://twitter.com/LordKnightBB/status/354736119495131136

  • Lawrence Ohh

    CONGRATS Smashboards and all of you crazy Smash community. Again, it’s the power of the people and the consumers.

    Nintendo tried to pull a Xbone and failed, and rightfully so.

  • bartonzok

    Phew… for a second there I thought I lost my Melee. What is going on in those Nintendo offices? Recently, they have been making decisions completely opposite of their nature.

  • $16830266

    #WhensMelee

  • Kr1spness

    After the e-mails, the tweets, has tags and phone calls I am extremely hap with this 3 hour turn around. C=The consumer always has power, especially thanks to the media looking for any sort of drama to build up.

  • H_Magnus

    Sooo… Staged?

  • drocat510

    Correct me if I’m wrong but the article clearly states that Smash WILL be streamed. So, what’s the hate all about

    • windsagio

      It’s the risk of coming in late :p There was a period of a few hours where the exact opposite was true. Nintendo had told them that streaming wouldn’t be allowed… but then backed down (probably because blocking the stream is insane)

      • drocat510

        I just realized that lol I’m HYPE for Smash!

  • $19298411

    See this is exactly what we needed to do! People rallied together, let Nintendo know what they wanted and got Melee put back on stream! Good job Smash Community and everyone who helped.

  • HombreGranJefe

    This should serve as a warning to the Smash community. Not only do people who don’t play Smash think it’s a shit game, Nintendo is out to body you too.

  • Troy Hillary

    fuckin nintendo and this trash game. it isn’t a fighter and why the fuck is it at evo? there are tons of other games out there that deserve a spot over smash trash at evo, all with much larger followings

    this is a joke the the FGC period.

  • Francisco

    I was kinda looking forward to more P4A and KOF13 streams but I LOVE SSBM more since that was my childhood.

  • Arttemis

    What time zone is this schedule set in?

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