Injustice: Gods Among Us Added to Official EVO 2013 Lineup

By on May 7, 2013 at 7:27 pm
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Joey “Mr. Wizard” Cuellar just dropped some pretty big news on the Wakeup SRK Live podcast regarding this year’s Evolution tournament. While many were surprised to hear the event would feature eight official titles, the lineup will now be expanded to nine with the inclusion of NetherRealm Studio’s latest fighter, Injustice: Gods Among Us. Fans were upset when the title didn’t receive a nod from the EVO 2013 organizers when the tournament’s roster was first revealed, but now they will get a chance to see it take part in the biggest fighting game tournament in the world.

Wizard also mentioned that top Injustice placers at the remaining Road to EVO events (UFGT9, CEO 2013) will receive the same seeding points as finalists in the other official titles. They will also be allowing stage interactables and transitions, and testers will not be barred from competition.

Let us know what you think of this news in the comments below.

  • I think you guys should have added it in the first place. I also think that I need to know how to sign up for it since I’ve already registered. This game is amazing. Good shit, Evo.

  • gigantor21

    Good looking out, McDonalds.

  • NyuBomber

    Sweeeeeet!

  • windsagio

    I honestly want to swap out my MK entry now for Injustice. Haven’t played MK at all since it came out ><

  • What happens to those players that have already registered for EVO?

    • Zombieoni

      Yeah I’d really like this answered.

  • Jason Slade

    So apparently having generated thousands of dollars in donations isn’t worth anything to Skullgirls or Super Turbo to get in as a 9th game, but Injustice gets a spot, just because?

    It really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. People pushed so hard to get those donation drives moving only to be usurped.

    • The Infamous James Butler

      Because we’ve seen Super Turbo since the beginning of EVO, and lolSkullgirls.

      People want to see something new.

      • Smashbro29

        “lolSkullgirls” unstoppable logic.

        • The Infamous James Butler

          Considering that A) it hardly gets a showing at tourneys, and B) The community killed itself when they stopped showing up to tourneys just because Chris G was there, yeah, I’d say the logic is pretty sound.

          • Smashbro29

            I’m not getting into the debate with you all I ask is that you use actual reasons in posts instead of dumb bullshit like “lolSkullgirls”.

          • Jordan Hoffman

            lolSkullgirls makes perfect logical sense to me. Take the stick out of your ass

          • Smashbro29

            Please breakdown the logic in that for me and all us other earthlings.

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            Perhaps if it were to show up at EVO, it would get more of a turnout at other tournaments. But no, apparently “lolSkullgirls” is considered a good argument.

          • James Reilly

            Yes because the 100+ entrants as a side toruney last evo was such a joke lol

          • The Infamous James Butler

            How many have showed up to tourneys SINCE EVO?

            Stop resting on your laurels. If nobody shows up to any of the other tourneys, why in the hell would they waste a main stage spot for it? So we can see an instant Top 4?

          • Caleb Scottie Spicer

            thats not true,chris g isnt the reason people dont show up,he hasnt won a sg tourney since day 1 lol duckkator,koncrete and many others body him in skulgirls

          • Snow Loss

            So Skullgirls can’t get a spot at a torny to get a higher turn out, because skullgirls can’t be in tornys because of its small turn out…
            And those smaller venues you mention hardly really matter in the long run; that and take into account it’s an indie game and not a AAA developer made fighter and the numbers, while small in comparison, are still pretty impressive.

            As for Chris G he has jack and shit to do with anything. Ever.

      • Jason Slade

        I don’t really care that they’re adding Injustice, its an ok game.

        The problem is that the donation drive now feels pointless. If they really wanted Injustice they should have just made it the 8th game to begin with.

        • windsagio

          Id go with the conspiracy theory.

          The community actively discouraged people putting money in for Injustice, so I’m gonna say that the fix was in and they were warned from the start that the game was gonna get in as a surprise anyways.

          (THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!)

        • Jordan Hoffman

          The donation drive was before Injustice was even released. Obviously things have changed. NRS most likely contributed a lot to have it included. Be thankful that they’re taking such an active roll in supporting their game. The donation drive was solely for the sake of giving the first place winnder a spot. Smash Bros won and therefore it has a spot. Case closed.

      • Caleb Scottie Spicer

        hes a capcom fangirl,his opinion doesnt matter

        • TheAverageGuyTAG

          Then why did he mention Skullgirls?

    • windsagio

      games that people actually play are a draw.

      • Louis Lam

        oh my god it’s you again

    • $35897352

      The power of money, NRS have it and Mr. Wizard like it.

    • Eric Nguyen

      Being a fan of SG, it hurts to say this. In the last few majors, Injustice brought the numbers. Big time. Skullgirls, not so much…

      • TheAverageGuyTAG

        That doesn’t really change the fact that the Skullgirls community is sorta being cheated right about now.

        • Yxiade

          Cheated?

          Regardless of the cash they donate, the Skullgirls community doesn’t show up to tournaments. Evo doing you a solid and making you a main stage event is going to seem kinda silly when someone gets a BYE into semifinals.

          • ExHaseo

            Considering there’s two different versions of Skullgirls, it’s hard for people to really train for tourneys. Since either version could be used, and they may not be using that version. From the donation drive and the Skullgirls indiegogo, it’s pretty obvious there’s a community.

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            “Considering there’s two different versions of Skullgirls, it’s hard for people to really train for tourneys. Since either version could be used, and they may not be using that version.”

            Alright, I’ll admit that this makes me slightly less mad.

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            “Regardless of the cash they donate”

            Nooooo, you don’t say “regardless of the fact that they came 2nd in the donation drive”. That’s kind of the big kicker there.

          • Yxiade

            So the donation drive should make up for the lack of turnout at regionals and majors? The Skullgirls community has had chance after chance after chance, and they still can’t pull much more than a dozen people at a major.

            Most games get into Evo for one reason alone: Turnout. If people attend tournaments, that game gets in. Injustice is getting numbers, and there is every indication that it will continue to get numbers. Getting a silver medal in a donation drive isn’t enough, you guys actually have to show up and play the game instead of throwing money at the problem with the hopes that you will spontaneously develop a tournament scene.

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            “So the donation drive should make up for the lack of turnout at regionals and majors?”

            Uh, yeah?

            ” The Skullgirls community has had chance after chance after chance, and they still can’t pull much more than a dozen people at a major.”

            Considering that Skullgirls got second in the donation drive, I see no reason not to put it in the main lineup. It could always help increase turnout in other tournaments.

          • Snow Loss

            This.
            I mean other smaller venues are nice and all, but the big one, the one that really matters (in the US) is EVO. That’s where the numbers are for every fighting game simply due to the massive number of bodies.

          • James Reilly

            If you actually checked last Evo turnout Skullgirls had 100+ entrants as a SIDE TOURNEY. Just stop.

        • Jordan Hoffman

          Yea all dozen of you that make up the community

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            Hater confirmed.

      • ButtPlugs

        Thats cause like Darkstalkers fans, SG fans are all fanfic no gameplay.

        • Jordan Hoffman

          I second that ButtPlugs.

        • Mike Jones

          Agreed

        • Matty Monticello

          Hey now, some Darkstalkers fans can really bring it.

    • Guest
    • Oniros
      • Oniros

        It would be godlike if someone could photoshop the WB logo and the SRK logo there.

      • James Reilly

        Yeah thats pretty much what happened. Nice job shitting on the breast cancer drive.

    • Luisito

      You donated for breast cancer research. Not to get your game
      at EVO. I don’t think you understood the point of your donation. To get
      to EVO you have to support the game massively and go out to tournaments
      which is what the MK /NRS community has done in huge numbers. And it’s
      what the SG community should have done. Now instead of being salty about
      it yall should take notes and learn from your mistakes.

      • James Reilly

        Yet Injustice, a month old game riding that “flavor of the month” train that previous dead games rode in the past , but never represent the long term turnouts get the special treatment this late? If you think back last year, Skullgirls actually had decent turnouts averaging 60-90 at majors. The game was even released around the same time as Injustice. Did they receive similar treatment because room was spontaneously made? No. Only difference between Injustice and Skullgirls last year is Injustice has WB money to “make room” despite a few months back Evo officials numerous times said that they were stretching things just for an 8th game. Yeah keep ignorantly believing Skullgirls had their chances lol.

        If we follow the “tourney turnout” logic the, honestly DoA 5 would have been the better choice. Add the decent tourney turnout game, been out for several months, while adding another 3d fighter into the mix.

        • Brad Chanley

          Injustice has way more numbers than launch Skullgirls and DoA5.

        • mc_fine

          Didn’t Skullgirls get released April 2012? Same flavor of the month hype that got it in last year. People always try to blame someone else for the lack of success/popularity of their favorite game. If people like a game they show up to play. When you have to start coming up with conspiracy theories as to why your game is not doing so well its already over. The popular games don’t need any convincing of players to show up.

          • Expiriment_Kow

            Except Skullgirls wasn’t in EVO last year?

    • Grimbear13

      The donation drive wasn’t useless, but you have to admit there seems to be a lot of hype and desire for Injustice now that it’s out. During the donation drive the game wasn’t out and from what I saw of the earlier footage I thought it looked like ass. However after watching some actual tournament play of the game I was like “Oh, this game actually looks way better than I thought.” So I’d guess that there are probably more people like that as well, and as a result if they had the donation drive now then it would possibly be a better competitor. But as it goes like I said the demand for the game seems to be there, so it makes sense to add it to the EVO roster. I’m not trying to be insulting but you don’t see stream chats blowing up about if Skull Girls or ST are going to be streamed at tournaments.

  • RomanceHD

    It was only a matter of time

  • $35897352

    The smell of money, Mr. Wizard can’t resist it, he’s an addict.

    • Jordan Hoffman

      Yea, who would have thought EVO needs something like money to stay afloat. I thought it could get by just on love and good will.

      • $35897352

        We all know they need money that is why the charge you $70 per competitor plus they get free sponsor money for the top places. The problem is that they promote themselves as a community-driven event when is reality it is just another business-driven event like MLG.

  • Matty Monticello

    Surprised this made it to EVO what with all the range being totally overpowered, clashes, environment damage being too high and unblockable, transitions, and supers that are too easy to land for too much damage that are generally unpunishable… Blocking and taking chip damage constantly to try and get in to take advantage of range spam does not make for a good fighting game. Zoning should require more strategy than QCF + X being repeated until they get close then you just do a knockback to send them away and repeat.

    • Jahmere Durham

      Bet a Deathstroke takes 1st place

      • Keon Misterr

        No way, have you played against Aquaman? Now that nigga is cheap.

    • You’re about two weeks behind. People have figured out the rhythm of the zoning. It’s not that bad. Also, over-powered supers? It costs an entire gauge of meter! If your opponent hasn’t wagered yet, you’re screwed. Also, they do less damage than the average BnB

      • Matty Monticello

        The average BnB does about 25%, on the power guys it’s about 33%. A super can do upwards of 50%. The “rhythm” of zoning is as I stated; to get in you are forced to take chip since you can’t clear most projectiles via air, and trying to will send you all the way back to square one. Environment attacks do more than the average 1 bar using BnB from the high tier characters, are unblockable, and many lead to combos.

        • The average BNB using half of that super meter nets you 40-50%

          • Matty Monticello

            Assuming all factors are perfect and you didn’t drop the combo. In all the early tournament videos I have watched thus far I have not seen a single 50% combo. I have seen a bane do 102% damage after linking to his super from an environmental attack combo, and do 82% from the same combo without finishing with a super (0 bar usage.) Most chracters don’t have 40-50% combos that don’t involve specific maps being used for their environment, maybe only 4 characters can do this as a “BnB.” Bread and butter signifies that it can be reliably done, a combo involving 16 different hits with half of them being special moves against a cornered opponent doesn’t count as BnB.

          • Go look up some combo videos, hell even the ass combos in that horrible guide do better than you are saying. You seriously don’t know how this game works.

          • Matty Monticello

            I’m talking about shit outside the training room where setups aren’t easy and the pacing makes people drop the difficult combos. Playing online or in matches with other skilled people

        • Kevin Geoffroy

          A BnB that does 25% is just a string with a special move tagged at the end lol. And supers do upwards of… 50%? with 1 meter you can get between 30 and 40%, do that combo 4 times and you almost won the entire match. Per meter, way more efficient. The strongest super is bane, 54%, which is only because of venom at lvl3. The standard super does 34% rounded. Many combos scale supers way too harshly to be worth putting 4 meters into it.

          • Matty Monticello

            Depends, just linking the super on raven from a jumping A attack does 41%. the 30-40% is for characters with power-up traits (Bane, Supes, Grundy, Shazam) but reaching those numbers on the majority of the cast without heavy use of the environment reliably is impossible and you are overstating if you are implying that. This game has more balance issues than SFxT at launch. They should implement a parry for environmental attacks to deflect the damage via timing, rework supers to make them less of a guaranteed hit for over 30%, and put in super jumps to get over spammed projectiles. Not even just talking about Dstroke either, Aquaman is pretty OP at range, especially if you RT his shiz

          • Kevin Geoffroy

            … i really think you need to dive into the characters more. My terrible flash BnB gets 36% with 1 bar no bounces. Doomsday, who is not about damage but pressure, can get 37% off a very ambiguous and standard crossup with 1 bar. Every combo video i watch the standard combo gets above 30%. grundy’s standard BnB is 47% with 1 bar trait command grab. And many of the top plays (Tom Brady, Pig of the Hut, Reo, Sabin) are saying this game is quite balanced and that no one is outright bad save sinestro for some reason. Seriously man if you are getting 25% you’re doing something wrong or not enough.

          • Matty Monticello

            I do around 33% typically with the characters I play (Raven, Shazam, and Grundy) but all three are high tier. Grundy a bit more when powered from his trait. The guys saying it is balanced just don’t want it to get nerfed because they are having fun taking advantage of people with all the game breaking elements. Sinestro because his recovery is terribad as is his damage scaling.

          • rofl, im a raven main, and i can get 35% from her d1. you need to learn the game.

        • Luisito

          50% supers? You don’t even play the game admit it LOL. I get 55% for 1 bar with Black Adam and his super is 33%. At the end of a combo I can get 61% with Super but again that’s 4 bars vs 1 which is a really poor use of meter. Supers were meant for casuals but most of them are really bad. Only Superman and Green Arrow have really good supers.

          Interactables do 22% max noob. Only gadget characters can get combos off some of them but not that much. Usually it’s around 30% and even the ice that freezes for a free combo scales ridiculously so you can only get like 25% max from that.

          And you just sound like a crybaby who can’t get around basic zoning.

          • Matty Monticello

            Cool and I can do 42% with grundy no bar by just using his trait after a back A… How is that balance? Would love to see sin do it that easy. I’m a noob? You can wall bounce people twice for the really high damage combos, try youtubing the 100% combos to see for yourself. Basic zoning in this game IS what makes it unbalanced because some characters are way too powerful at zoning with almost no effort needed and literally the only way in is taking a ridiculous amount of chip.

        • sounds like someone didnt play the game. one bar combos that are simple BnBs can do up to 44%, the 2nd bar usually adds about 5% lol. supers arent that usefull unless you use it for the KO.

          • Matty Monticello

            Sounds like you didn’t read what I wrote. Yeah, 40% combos are easy with the broken easy mode characters. Took me all of one minute to learn it with grundy with no bar. My point was BALANCE, of which this game has none of because all the poorly implemented variables.

    • Snow Loss

      >Zoning should require more strategy than QCF + X being repeated until they get close then you just do a knockback to send them away and repeat.
      Tell that to Chris G who turned a fighting game into a bullet hell one.

      • Matty Monticello

        You mean his Morrigan in MvC3? Yeah when ultimate came out they screwed the balance and the additional characters were poorly implemented and mostly used resources from existing characters. Stock MvC3 > Ultimate

  • urdane7

    “Hey guys, even though Melee and Skullgirls raised thousands of dollars, we are just so restrained and can’t add an extra slot to have both games.”

    -few months later-

    “Hey guys, we are adding Injustice to the lineup!”

    • James Reilly

      Who would of thought lol. The issue is not so much Injustice, I like the game but this really makes the breast cancer drive look like a joke. “Hey fellas fight for a month by milking out money for a chance of the LAST spot” Yeah they found room pretty quickly.

      • Snow Loss

        You’d find room too if someone decided to pay you a large chunk of change directly for a spot.

  • ギャビン

    Wow.

  • MrOodlesnNoodle

    They should rename this game Injustice: Keepaway from Us

  • WlNBACK

    So basically, Reo is getting free money.

    I’d rather they put in DoA5 or Skullgirls. Because even though those games are total fanwank-driven trash and will bore people’s balls off, it’d at least have more suspense to it than watching a game tester take 1st in Injustice for free.

    I’ll still be there for my $500 money match in Ehrgeiz against some racist Brazilian guy. No, that game isn’t good either, but money is.

    • Yxiade

      Rio is a city in Brazil. Reo is a Mortal Kombat player.

      • WlNBACK

        Thanks.

      • ButtPlugs

        hurr durr

  • Dave Passmore JR

    Granted, I don’t play Injustice…

    But, how about that for a “F*ck what you say, WE run the show” moment…

  • ExHaseo

    That’s kind of a dick move. Since there was the whole donation drive to decide the 8th game, and now another is being added for no apparent reason.
    I’m assuming someone got a big fat check for its inclusion.

  • Ravaatu

    I think the reason why Injustice was only added now is because they wanted to make sure that they wouldn’t have a repeat of a failure of a new game at EVO like with SFxT last year. It was probably meant to be added to the lineup from the start. I can see why Skullgirls and Melee fans are upset. They definitely could’ve handled the situation in a better manner.

    • TheAverageGuyTAG

      It wouldn’t be (quite) as much of an issue if Injustice wasn’t on the ballot. And didn’t get last place.

      • Ravaatu

        To be fair, the game wasn’t even out at the time.

        • TheAverageGuyTAG

          So?

    • Michael Zaimont

      Or with SG last year…just sayin’, your also applies there.

  • Gespenst Ritter

    It’s great to know that this entire donation drive was made in bad faith, and that any future attempts at any similar kind of community involvement will be undercut because EVO has finally lost what little credibility they had left with this move.

    I know that this is a business, but it’s important to have some goddamn integrity.

  • Beb0p

    Not like I play it anymore but where’s DOA5? It is pretty funny how Skull Girls isn’t in it from all that donation stuff.

    • Guest

      Injustice has a larger community than DOA5 or Skull Girls.

      • ZenTzen

        yeah lets see how ling that community is gonna last

      • James Reilly

        Cute judging a community size when the game is not even a month old. P4A had a large turnout as well within the month, but that obviously did not represent long term turnouts.

  • Oniros

    To the idealistic crowd: do you need any further proof that EVO is a publisher/developer-driven event instead of a community-driven one?

    • bonch

      Injustice’s community is larger than that of Skull Girls. The participation numbers for Injustice have driven its appearance at Evo.

      • a real ghost

        it’s less than a month old. we’ll see how long this Injustice community lasts.

        • HombreGranJefe

          The streams have been drawing pretty big numbers. People are watching, and it’s a pretty good game to watch.

          • James Reilly

            Again the game is not even a month old. You can’t accurately judge that the new release hype represents their turnouts in the long run.

      • ZenTzen

        a month old game has people playing? I’m shocked

      • Snow Loss

        No shit it has a larger community than Skullgirls. It’s a game made by a well known publisher that has a sizable marketing campaign across multiple mediums and had a disk release.
        Not to mention the game’s less than half a year old so it still has that new car smell.

        • James Reilly

          Game is not even a month old while Skullgirls is over a year. People are gonna want to play with the new toy until they get bored and go back to Capcom.

  • as much as i love injustice i cant help but feel this game wont evolve to high level in time for evo

  • $35897352

    I hope greedy Mr. Wizard & co. read these comments:

    “So apparently having generated thousands of dollars in donations isn’t
    worth anything to Skullgirls or Super Turbo to get in as a 9th game”

    “Hey guys, even though Melee and
    Skullgirls raised thousands of dollars, we are just so restrained and
    can’t add an extra slot to have both games.”
    -few months later-
    “Hey guys, we are adding Injustice to the lineup!”

    “I’m assuming someone got a big fat check for its inclusion.”

    “It wouldn’t be (quite) as much of an issue if Injustice wasn’t on the ballot. And didn’t get last place.”

    “It’s great to know that this entire donation drive was made in bad
    faith, and that any future attempts at any similar kind of community
    involvement will be undercut because EVO has finally lost what little
    credibility they had left with this move.”

    “I know that this is a business, but it’s important to have some goddamn integrity.”

    “To the idealistic crowd: do you need any further proof that EVO is a publisher/developer-driven event instead of a community-driven one?”

    • TheAverageGuyTAG

      Yay, my comment’s there!

    • Jordan Hoffman

      Skullgirls does pathetic at community driven events, why include it in this one?

      • TheAverageGuyTAG

        Maybe because including it in the lineup of the biggest fighting game tournament would help increase turnout in other tournaments? Also, because of everything above.

        • Jordan Hoffman

          Uhhh, no. It’s the other way around. Include it in the biggest fighting game tournament if it’s proven to be popular in other tournaments.

          It’s like you’re asking a tv channel to put a crappy sitcom on its primetime slot when ratings show that no one really bothers to watch it save for a few devoted fans. That ain’t cuttin the mustard chief.

        • Yxiade

          You have it backward. You don’t get into Evo to increase your tournament numbers, you increase your tournament numbers to get to Evo.

        • windsagio

          That’s so entitled, damn.

          THey don’t owe Skullgirls anything.

      • windsagio

        Don’t forget… 11 man tournament turnouts at majors.

        If you can get a bye into top 8, your game doesn’t deserve Evo.

        • James Reilly

          Yes and the 100+ as a side tourney turnout at last evo. No way the numbers won’t increase from that if it becomes main game *rolls eyes

          • windsagio

            Check the links I posted, 2 recent tournaments with essentially no turnout, and your own community members reduced to haranguing the crowd in the hopes of getting them to actually take part.

    • $35897352

      New wave of comments Mr. Wizard:

      “From Tom Cannon in his interview with Gamespot as to why Injustice wasn’t being included in the first place:

      ‘The April release date of Injustice is just two months away from EVO, which is a very short amount of time to draw out a game’s full potential.’

      So, did the game’s full potential suddenly get drawn out a few weeks after it’s release or did something else happen? My guess is the latter. ”

      “…when people are greedy and arrogant it shows in their actions. The FGC will never become E-sports at this rate because of practices like this. The community is growing and with that so are opportunities to make money; guys like Mr Wizard are making sure they get all they can while they can. I think people have every right to be concerned and say something…”

      “So Smash, Skullgirls, or Turbo community had to campaign for a month and
      shell out thousands and thousands of dollars for the CHANCE of an
      official evo game main lineup spot while Injustice casually got the free
      ride? I like Injustice as much as the next guy, but thats a pretty
      scummy move. Nice way to shit on the breast cancer drive. If this is
      attempted again people are not gonna take it seriously now, I can just
      donate to breast cancer in a variety different ways.”

      “If you think back last year, Skullgirls actually had decent turnouts
      averaging 60-90 at majors. The game was even released around the same
      time as Injustice. Did they receive similar treatment because room was
      spontaneously made? No. Only difference between Injustice and Skullgirls
      last year is Injustice has WB money to “make room” despite a few months
      back Evo officials numerous times said that they were stretching things
      just for an 8th game.”

      “Mr Wizard: Moneyhats among us” alternatively, “Mr. Wizard Greenbacks amongst us.”

      “Does Evo follows the community or does the community follows Evo? Because these games are not played as much is because Evo is not supporting them. Maybe if Evo supported them, then they will be played more…Evo should reflect the entire fighting game community and not some (of their sponsors). All games should get at least one showcase.”

    • $35897352

      More:

      “This community is the most giving community I have ever seen; religious
      communities are not as given as this one. When people need help, the FGC
      rallies together donating whatever they have. However there is no
      reason for that generosity to be taken advantage of…Whenever ever a story goes up on SRK about someone in dire need or now
      when a game needs money to get off the ground the FGC is there. The
      community has integrity and I feel that should be respected.”

      “What DOES mean something…to me is integrity, perception, and blatant deception. I don’t know what the STRONGEST factor is that guaranteed you a spot at EVO. Nobody but those in charge do. If it’s based on turnout then I have to admit, I see more promise in Injustice then I do in SG from the past and what I’ve seen. However I see Melee as even a bigger crowd then Injustice. Honestly it doesn’t matter…This isn’t about how Injustice compares to other games already established/released. This is not
      about the potential this game brings to the table. This is not about a possibility that WB put money behind the game to get it at EVO. This is about telling STRAIGHT LIES and deceiving statements to the public and then blatantly (and I mean “Texas Showdown BLATANT”) just changed up on everything said prior. This is about hosting a donation drive which had the DUAL purpose of fighting Breast Cancer (very admirable) AND (ipso facto) “buying” their game’s way into EVO. Then afterwards telling us that we can only have one winner since we’re SOOOO tight on time only to announce a month later that you’re including Injustice now on the main stage.”

  • Louis Lam

    They couldn’t have added Skullgirls or ST to the lineup after raising tens of thousands of dollars but they could hand out a slot to a game that’s months old?

    Even as a Melee player this is a bit upsetting.

  • James Reilly

    So Smash, Skullgirls, or Turbo community had to campaign for a month and shell out thousands and thousands of dollars for the CHANCE of an official evo game main lineup spot while Injustice casually got the free ride? I like Injustice as much as the next guy, but thats a pretty scummy move. Nice way to shit on the breast cancer drive. If this is attempted again people are not gonna take it seriously now, I can just donate to breast cancer in a variety different ways.

    • Jordan Hoffman

      How does this shit on the breast cancer drive? It was a legitimate drive that raised money for breast cancer. Get off your high horse.

      • James Reilly

        It shits on how they repeatedly promoted how the top spot is the 8th and final spot for evo. They even repeatedly said they couldn’t stretch things for a 9th spot when asked numerous times. Yet they casually find room for Injustice this late? Wonder why.. and its not because of a mere month old tourney turnouts.

        I could have donated the same amount of money towards breast cancer or other good will charity service in the numerous different ways out there, without dealing with the dishonesty the Evo drive turned out to be.

        • Jordan Hoffman

          The donation drive secured the most popular voted game a spot, just like they said it would. If NRS contributes in some way to allow Injustice to be included, good for them. it doesn’t take away anything that the donation accomplished. You SG guys have a real entitlement complex.

          • James Reilly

            Great job not even reading and focusing on the point. This is NOT about Skullgirls not getting the spot. This is about Skullgirls, Melee, Turbo communities being lied to. Hell I can argue that Melee has a bigger community size then Injustice when that game not even month old yet had to pay nearly 100 grand just for the claimed “Final” spot? Yet the barely released games from NRS would offer Evo money to buy their way to “make room” then thats despicable and shows what Evo degraded to. Not a community driven event, but backed by publishers/developers.

          • Jordan Hoffman

            Holy crap, be thankful they had a drive to allow your stupid game the chance. That shows they’re letting the community be involved. But yes, publishers/developers also can contribute to have their game be put in. What kind of fantasy world do you live in where you think only the community bitching determines what game is included. Money and finances always play a role. And your game and others not in the main event will most likely have a side-stream or something for those of you who will watch it.

      • TheAverageGuyTAG

        Because the money that went to breast cancer determined who got in the tournament. Start using your brain.

        • Jordan Hoffman

          no $hit sherlock, that was the point. It was both to raise money for breast cancer and determine which top voted game gets secured a spot.

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            Yes. By giving the game on the bottom a free pass and snuffing out the second (and third, since Turbo raised 30k+, IIRC) place guy, you’re shitting on the whole vote.

          • Jordan Hoffman

            Lol, ok. Make up your own rules and then complain that the organizers are not following them and therefore shitting on the vote. I could care less what place injustice was in for the poll. I could care less who was 2nd, 3rd or whatever. All they said is that the poll is to guarantee first place a spot, and it did. NRS obviously pulled strings to guarantee Injustice a spot, good for them. But please SG community, stay classy and keep bitching. I’m sure that will get you far.

          • TheAverageGuyTAG

            I’m not making any rules up. I’m only calling it how it is.

  • $17468069

    I’m really enjoying all the butthurt.
    Looking forward to seeing all those sour expressions in the background while this games being played out at evo wooooo

  • Trollolo You

    You know, I’m happy that Injustice made it into the main roster and I prefer it over every other game personally.

    But besides my own personal opinion – when I try to be fair, I have to wonder:
    Why did Injustice make it in and covers up the 9th spot?
    What about Skullgirls? That game raised over 70.000$, because people were donating for the Breast Cancer story. Injustice only raised 77$.

    In my opinion it would have been the right thing to do, to add Skullgirls in (which also collected over 800.000$ for new DLC characters) and replace MK9 with Injustice. Let’s be serious here, MK9 is great and all that, but it’s over for that particular game. Injustice especially killed it.

    • Yxiade

      Do they include games in order to give mad props to communities, or do they include games because the games have turnout?

      It’s not about deserve, it’s about results. Injustice brings the players and the crowds. Skullgirls just brings the excuses.

      • Mike Jones

        Even though this move on part of MrWiz is nasty and totally detestable, i agree with the SG Community not representing the game. Sadly true.

  • So while I’m a huge Skullgirls fan, I’m not sure how Injustice suddenly being in the roster is any different from any of the other games that were made part of the roster sans voting.

    • TheAverageGuyTAG

      1) This happened after the vote for the supposed last slot.
      2) Injustice came in last in the vote while Skullgirls came in second.

      • Timothy Ian McMillan

        Injustice wasn’t even released at the time of the voting. Voting for a game nobody knew shit about wasn’t going to be successful.

        • TheAverageGuyTAG

          So?

      • I can appreciate that, and make no mistake, I like SG over Injustice. But ultimately, I like SG & Injustice over a lot of the official roster, and those games are still in the official roster. I’m just not seeing the outrage.

        • TheAverageGuyTAG

          Skullgirls is only a side-game in EVO (with the top 8 being streamed, to be fair). The communities for both it and Melee worked their collective asses off to try and become a main game. Injustice cruised its way to a main spot without any effort, while all the effort for the Skullgirls community only gave it a side-tournament with some streaming and a bigger pot than originally intended.

    • Mr. X

      They said not enough for Injustice to be considered due to its release date, not time enough time at Evo to reward both Melee and SG, not enough time to Marvel 3/5 the entire way.

  • Hiya_tiger

    NRS MONEYHATTED MR WIZARD

    CALL THE eSPORTS COPS!

  • windsagio

    More on the “WHY DIDN’T OUR GAME GET IN WAAH” crowd: From your own people:

    Only 5 prereg for CEO.
    http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/178517/only-5-pre-registrants-for-ceo-wake-up-east-coast-sg-players

    4 players showed up for Texas Throwdown:
    http://skullgirls.com/forums/forums/index.php?threads/why-you-need-to-show-up-to-a-tournament.827/

    The Evo guys would be insane to make a game with those kinds of numbers into an actual event.

    • Mike Jones

      It`s sad i have to agree with this…… but yeah it`s the truth. I`m a SG player myself and i have the feeling that most of the SG community is built around the Lore and Art which is fine and good to have, but we have no players that actually want to attend and represent the game by showing their skill at their local scenes. Or for that matter go out of their way to even estaablish their own scene.. The game itself is fantastic, but that won`t justify having the game on streams or at tournaments in the future. But i still despise the Dirtmoney act from MrWizzard.

      • Jordan Hoffman

        You guys need to get it through your head that money is what maintains these events. You guys came in second in the drive. The only guarantee was that 1st place will definitely get a spot. You knew first and foremost you were donating for Evo’s sake. If they somehow get the resources to include another game, good for them. If it’s not the game you like, deal with it.

        • Mike Jones

          I am more concerned about other games that were in the donation drive lineup like ST that got third place. We have a side tournament at evo. You seem to like to judge people pretty fast.

          • Jordan Hoffman

            You’re the one whose judging MrWizzard as committing a “Dirtmoney act”. I respect him and don’t view the inclusion of Injustice as a bad thing at all.

  • Louis Lam

    nvm people still play that game

    • Eric Nguyen

      Because they’d be taking a dump on people who already registered and are practicing for MK

    • Yxiade

      Because we show up to play that game too.

  • Hiya_tiger

    Mr Wizard: Moneyhats among us

    alternatively, Mr. Wizard Greenbacks amongst us.

  • windsagio

    one last before I go to bed.

    Why are people so convinced this is a money-money thing? That’s never seemed to be the Evo guys’ concern.

    They’re way more interested in games that build hype or they think will get a turnout than any quid pro quo.

    … in fact they’ve specifically denied it over and over. Is this stuff just sour grapes?

  • sadisticsoldier

    I’m glad they are adding it. Injustice tourneys have been pretty fun to watch so far. When it wasn’t included originally, I was pretty disappointed, but I understood because it wasn’t out yet.

  • Petran79

    What an “Unjustice”!

  • Fernando Zaragoza

    Saw this coming…

  • The SG argument is unnecessary, all SG fans are going to stream or be at EVO anyways. Give Injustice a chance and simply wait until all of the SG DLC is released (more than likely by next EVO and push for a spot then.

    • My problem is more so with the infinitely re-spawning interactables … From what I’ve seen they’re more than annoying, they’re boring.

      • Snow Loss

        What, you don’t like 20% unblockables?

        • Julio D. Zulkarnain

          yeah, gotta love them 3/4 screen, invincible, 20% unblockables mang!

  • Rohan Mayers

    I do not understand how other recently released games such as VF5 FS, DOA5, SC5, and PS AS are not within the 9 main game. I understand that Evo allowed fans to vote on the original 8th game (which included Injustice) and fans picked smash bros. But these games should have been in the pre-selected line up. Is not VF5 FS, DOA5, SC5, and PS AS not good competitive games or is this a bais?

    • Ragada Blaze

      It’s not a case of them not being a good or competitive game because in the right hands they are.The problem is that the hype needed for an EVO spot is simply non-existent. VF doesn’t even have people play online anymore, and if there ever is someone they are niche players. I don’t know about DOA or SC but I don’t hear about them anymore either so I’d guess they are in the same boat. You have to ask these questions: 1) Is the game good? 2) How many people play it? 3) What are the turnouts for said game? IF you can’t give a good answer for it then it isn’t worth EVO.

      tl;dr Those games won’t be at EVO because no one plays them anymore.

      • Rohan Mayers

        Could this be a self-fulfilling prophecy? Does Evo follows the community or does the community follows Evo? Because these games are not played as much is because Evo is not supporting them. Maybe if Evo supported them, then they will be played more. I thought DOA5 won a lot of awards and stuff. Evo should reflect the entire fighting game community and not some (of their sponsors). All games should get at least one showcase. Evo should have all previous year release fighting games at Evo.

        • Yxiade

          Evo is one event. If a game can’t draw enough interest to get a large crowd to play it at a regional or a major, why would Evo pick it up?

          Evo isn’t in the business of boosting games. Evo is a competition for games that are already competitive. It’s results-based. Injustice gets results, those other games don’t, and that’s all that matters.

          • James Reilly

            Yes I know..If only Evo would make every game in the main lineup based on tourney turnouts on games not even a month old lol

    • $35897352

      quote: “Is not VF5 FS, DOA5, SC5, and PS AS not good competitive games or is this a bais?”

      Bias, bias in favor of Capcom games, thats why you see SfxT in the main event.

      • Julio D. Zulkarnain

        Hate, hate in the direction of SFxT, thats why…nah forget it. SFxT is in, I’m happy enough.

        • $35897352

          Good for you.

    • Yxiade

      Because people don’t show up to tournaments to play those games.

      • James Reilly

        New games always have spiked tourney turnouts. Injustice is not even a month old. Every game has had that “flavor of the month” boost that doesn’t represent the long term life of the game. Injustice is no where near as old as those games listed. Injustice should have waited and matured like those other games and see how their tourney turnouts hold afters several months passed.

        • Yxiade

          The MK community has a great track record of supporting their game, and they’re essentially unified behind Injustice. Every indication is that this game will be a continued success in the tournament scene.

          In comparison, the Skullgirls community can’t get a dozen people to preregister for a major. There is no indication that Skullgirls will ever be a tournament success.

      • Guest

        Because it’s Capcom’s fault that nobody plays those games, right?

  • From Tom Cannon in his interview with Gamespot as to why Injustice wasn’t being included in the first place:

    The April release date of Injustice is just two months away from EVO, which is a very short amount of time to draw out a game’s full potential.

    So, did the game’s full potential suddenly get drawn out a few weeks after it’s release or did something else happen? My guess is the latter.

    • James Reilly

      This was the exact excuse why Skullgirls wasn’t added as a main game last year. From Peter http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=57119250&postcount=55

      They both had similar release dates on April. Yet Injustice was made an exception. Also no Skullgirls tourney turnouts wasn’t dead last year either, but we all know why Injustice casually made room this year.

  • Adriana Gomez

    This is Tom Cannon and Mr Wizards tournament but before they
    open their mouths maybe they should collaborate together and get their exact
    bottom line in order. If Tom says in one interview that the game is not going
    to be apart of Evo because Evo would be two months away and the game will not
    at its full potential; stick with it. Do not take peoples money for a donation
    drive and then “do a by the way” later. That’s not right. I under stands people
    frustration; which is: if my game got second, third or even fourth place then
    by right if a slot became open they should get it.

    That would be logical thing to do. However when people are greedy and arrogant it shows in their actions. The FGC will never become E-sports at this rate because of practices like this. The community is growing and with that so are opportunities to make money; guys like Mr Wizard are making sure they get all they can while they can. I think people have every right to be concerned and say something. For those who want to defend this decision, look at it this way; what if you paid money to enter a raffle. The person who wins, wins a million dollars.

    However they are unable to reach that person and you came second? Do you think they should give it to or should they just randomly choose someone else? Giving it to the next person in line is only right and logical. Our government is set up in a similar fashion. If something happens to the president the vice president takes over, something happens to him the speaker of the house takes over and if something happens to that person someone else takes over. It called succession. Yes the donation drive was for a good cause and a tax write off for Evo but lets be real here, you cannot do suspect things and expect people not to say anything.

  • King9999

    That’s pretty big news. I see some people complaining about Skullgirls not getting in. I’m a fan of the game, but SG had its chance through the donation drive. I don’t see any foul play here, so we shouldn’t be trying to create controversy.

  • Eric Nguyen

    You know? I’m just gonna throw this out there. I don’t think I’ve seen a single person from the ST community complaining about fraud or the integrity of EVO management here. They’re just gonna do their own thing at EVO, as planned, main stage or not. I think I like that kind of mentality.

    • Adriana Gomez

      I agree with you, the ST community is going to do their own thing at EVO. However when money crosses people’s hands under a certain pretense, it’s hard to maintain any mentality outside of feeling as if you have been slighted. This community is the most giving community I have ever seen; religious communities are not as given as this one. When people need help, the FGC rallies together donating whatever they have. However there is no reason for that generosity to be taken advantage of and in the last few years I can name instances when players who are sponsored taken advantage of donations to purchase computers and streaming equipment and organizers who work on developing games request donation for help as well. Whenever ever a story goes up on SRK about someone in dire need or now when a game needs money to get off the ground the FGC is there. The community has integrity and I feel that should be respected.

    • But honestly, ST has had it’s “fun in the sun” several times over. We all know the debacle with SMB so its good that they finally get the tourney they always wanted. SKG has yet to get that recognition that MikeZ fought so hard to create for his community so there are some valid reasons for outcry coming from SKG folks.

  • and skullgirls TT.TT

  • Christopher Wrightson

    Ok first off Jordan
    Hoffman please please please STFU. If you don’t agree with SG fans that’s
    perfectly fine. If you want to back your stance against them with facts and
    info that’s fine. But to sit there and just outright NOT acknowledge the point
    that SG fans are trying to make; circumventing it any way you can is
    UNACCEPTABLE. Either address the main issue or let grown men speak.

    In regards to Injustice being placed as a 9th Evo game… this is
    bullshit. I don’t play SG. I don’t play Melee. I don’t play Alpha, ST, or VS. I’m
    not going to EVO this year. This change/event has NOTHING to do with me nor
    will its success/fail mean anything to me.

    What DOES mean something
    to me is integrity, perception, and blatant deception. I don’t know what the
    STRONGEST factor is that guaranteed you a spot at EVO. Nobody but those in
    charge do. If it’s based on turnout then I have to admit, I see more promise in
    Injustice then I do in SG from the past and what I’ve seen. However I see Melee
    as even a bigger crowd then Injustice. Honestly it doesn’t matter.

    If the factor is money,
    then again I understand that WB backing Injustice over an already difficult
    situation SG is having currently. Just makes sense. Honestly it doesn’t matter.

    If hype is the factor
    than we already can tell the intense hype Injustice brings to the table for a
    good majority of players. SG seems to have dies off a little overall but it’s
    still breathing. Honestly it doesn’t matter.

    This isn’t about how
    Injustice compares to other games already established/released. This is not
    about the potential this game brings to the table. This is not about a possibility
    that WB put money behind the game to get it at EVO. This is about telling
    STRAIGHT LIES and deceiving statements to the public and then blatantly (and I
    mean “Texas Showdown BLATANT”) just changed up on everything said prior. This
    is about hosting a donation drive which had the DUAL purpose of fighting Breast
    Cancer (very admirable) AND (ipso facto) “buying” their game’s way into EVO.
    Then afterwards telling us that we can only have one winner since we’re SOOOO
    tight on time only to announce a month later that you’re including Injustice
    now on the main stage.

    What?

    If Mr. Wizard has come
    out and said: “I feel that Injustice is a better choice for an 8th
    game at EVO than X other game for X reasons, and this is the final decision.” I
    would have NOTHING to say as it’s his tourney and he has made it clear why he
    chose the decision that he did. If he stated earlier that he wanted to add
    Injustice to the list of Main games but wasn’t sure if the
    turnout/sales/completion of the game would make it in time of the necessary
    preparation window then I wouldn’t be able to say ANYTHING. The fact of the
    matter though is that HE DIDN’T.

    What he DID say was that
    time was tight and they couldn’t afford to invest any more games into the main
    lineup. Funny how that changed so quickly. What he did DO was INCLUDE MULTIPLE
    unfinished games in a poll on the potential lineup for EVO; a game that CAME IN
    LAST PLACE. Some would argue that the game wasn’t out yet so of course it would
    lose. NO SH*T SHERLOCK!!! Hence why it shouldn’t have been included in the
    poll/donation/CONSIDERATION FOR THIS YEAR. It should have been forced to run its
    course and see its first years longevity before it was allowed instant access.

    And let’s go back to the
    Donation. You can Christmas wrap it any way you like but I would put any amount
    of money that nearly EVERY person that donated money did so WITH DUAL
    intentions: Saving a breast and getting their game at EVO. So NO saving breasts
    was NOT the SOLE purpose behind the donation drive. What it really was was a
    cop out method to pull BS, let the wolves fight each other over the last game,
    and then use the breast cancer purpose as a way to exude themselves from
    persecution. See MOST of the FGC are stupid/naïve but not everyone.

    You know I have to say I
    didn’t really like the tone/decisions/personality of Mr. W already but I didn’t
    think he’d do this… I mean in the announcement podcast on WSRK you blame the
    PLAYERS for your BAD decision to invest hundreds if not thousands in PS3s over
    360s saying that it’s OUR job to tell YOU which system should have been used. You…the
    person holding the check, buying the venue, Getting the systems, choosing the
    games, and running the show… you couldn’t spend $50 bucks to hire someone to do
    a game comparison test over each of the systems giving you the logistics needed
    to tell where you should invest your money? Really…? You’re sure the
    businessman.

    I know that I’m not a
    trained businessman but I’m not dumb nor should be treated as I am. I don’t
    mind being told no. I don’t mind not being giving a reason why I got a no. What
    I DO mind is being told yes THAN being told NO. At that point you’re playing
    with me, lying to me, or don’t even know yourself.

    The bigger issue though.
    E-Sports. I keep being told over and over again that the merge with E-Sports
    and it’s philosophies/changes/etc would kill the FGC; it would remove the “essence”
    of community spirit amongst us. That it would strip away our originality blah
    blah blah. People say that EVO is a large part of the FGC and that it’s the showcase
    for these aforementioned qualities. Oh really now? Well it seems to be that EVO
    (or at least those in charge of it) follow the SAME practices that Money happy
    Corporations do as well; “Money Makes Things Happen.” But you know what EVO
    doesn’t add with that motto? Money.

    You know how I see it? I see it as players don’t
    want to be told that you can’t come in with a beard to your knees, smelling
    like you haven’t bathed in 20 years, and cursing worse the black beard. No see
    E-Sports is about the money so to make the you would have to look like money
    (potential). So if EVO isn’t this GREAT essence of the FGC people try and make
    it seem, and something that follows the same practices that we are fighting
    SOOO (*sarcasm*) hard to fight against then I would rather have E-Sports just
    outright take over and bring the extra benefits that come along with it. It’s
    not like we’re not halfway there already.

    Bottom line (TL;DR)-
    Wizard… You fucked up. You made decisions that have put you in a bad image and
    while I don’t believe you to be doing any of it in malice/spite, you have
    weakened the trust of many a follower and destroyed that of others. I
    personally will not be attending EVO this year and after this I have to
    STRONGLY consider if I ever want to…

  • Snow Loss

    In regards to all the bitching and moaning from Skullgirls players; yes it sucks the game didn’t get a full EVO slot. But hey, they get a televised top 8. That’s still pretty nice.

    With all the changes Mike is making to the game and how dramatically the system and meta is going to shift over the next years worth of DLC characters and integrated patches; it will be something entirely new next year. So take the year to get involved with the game and increase tournament numbers and exposure and maybe, just maybe when the final 13 character roster is released next year and the game is for the most part in its final form you’ll have the following and numbers to make it on the main stage in 2014.

    We know you’re already starting at a disadvantage having tournament players piss on it because “not enough dicks” and being a DLC indie game, but you’ve shown us you’re up to the challenge of supporting it by raising almost a million dollars. Now convert that support into face time.

    • James Reilly

      Your missing the point. This is NOT about Skullgirls not getting the spot. Its about the dishonesty and suspect things this shows towards the other communities when they were repeatedly told that the 8th spot was the last and even an 8th spot was pushing things. Then out of nowhere for a game thats not even a month old and got last on the donation drive casually got the free pass? Don’t even argue because of tourney turnouts. ANY GAME thats not even a month old would have the new game momentum carry them. Skullgirls didn’t get the main spot last year because it was released too late, while Injustice came out SIX DAYS LATER and got the free spot? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=57119250&postcount=55

      Melee community had to shell out nearly a 100 grand for the same thing when its easily the bigger community then the less-then-month-old Injustice? Game thats been out for months and getting solid turnouts like DoA 5, SCV, etc got passed over by a game not even month old? I like Injustice alot, but this is disgusting with the special treatment its getting over the other communities that put far more effort and time on their games.

  • No integrity. Whatsoever.

    It should’ve been kept to eight games, like they said from the very beginning.

    Why should the FGC ever trust the EVO-runners’ statements ever again? They’re now confirmed liars. Even if they were given a large monetary offer to put it into the line-up, they should’ve had the integrity to turn it down, or at least asked the FGC about it to see what the response would be like. Now, it’s just a shit show, because all ya’ll were too concerned about the green rather than the integrity.

    Wasn’t this supposed to be a “community-driven event”? I mean, I get that you’re the runners here, but shouldn’t being the largest fighting game tournament in the world mean you should try to set a good example for other tournaments?

    For shame.

  • $35897352

    Every community member should read this quote from another member:

    If Mr. Wizard has come
    out and said: “I feel that Injustice is a better choice for an 8th
    game at EVO than X other game for X reasons, and this is the final decision.” I
    would have NOTHING to say as it’s his tourney and he has made it clear why he
    chose the decision that he did. If he stated earlier that he wanted to add
    Injustice to the list of Main games but wasn’t sure if the
    turnout/sales/completion of the game would make it in time of the necessary
    preparation window then I wouldn’t be able to say ANYTHING. The fact of the
    matter though is that HE DIDN’T.

    What he DID say was that
    time was tight and they couldn’t afford to invest any more games into the main
    lineup. Funny how that changed so quickly. What he did DO was INCLUDE MULTIPLE
    unfinished games in a poll on the potential lineup for EVO; a game that CAME IN
    LAST PLACE. Some would argue that the game wasn’t out yet so of course it would
    lose. NO SH*T SHERLOCK!!! Hence why it shouldn’t have been included in the
    poll/donation/CONSIDERATION FOR THIS YEAR. It should have been forced to run its
    course and see its first years longevity before it was allowed instant access.

    And let’s go back to the
    Donation. You can Christmas wrap it any way you like but I would put any amount
    of money that nearly EVERY person that donated money did so WITH DUAL
    intentions: Saving a breast and getting their game at EVO. So NO saving breasts
    was NOT the SOLE purpose behind the donation drive. What it really was was a
    cop out method to pull BS, let the wolves fight each other over the last game,
    and then use the breast cancer purpose as a way to exude themselves from
    persecution. See MOST of the FGC are stupid/naïve but not everyone.

    You know I have to say I
    didn’t really like the tone/decisions/personality of Mr. W already but I didn’t
    think he’d do this… I mean in the announcement podcast on WSRK you blame the
    PLAYERS for your BAD decision to invest hundreds if not thousands in PS3s over
    360s saying that it’s OUR job to tell YOU which system should have been used. You…the
    person holding the check, buying the venue, Getting the systems, choosing the
    games, and running the show… you couldn’t spend $50 bucks to hire someone to do
    a game comparison test over each of the systems giving you the logistics needed
    to tell where you should invest your money? Really…? You’re sure the
    businessman.

    I know that I’m not a
    trained businessman but I’m not dumb nor should be treated as I am. I don’t
    mind being told no. I don’t mind not being giving a reason why I got a no. What
    I DO mind is being told yes THAN being told NO. At that point you’re playing
    with me, lying to me, or don’t even know yourself.

    The bigger issue though.
    E-Sports. I keep being told over and over again that the merge with E-Sports
    and it’s philosophies/changes/etc would kill the FGC; it would remove the “essence”
    of community spirit amongst us. That it would strip away our originality blah
    blah blah. People say that EVO is a large part of the FGC and that it’s the showcase
    for these aforementioned qualities. Oh really now? Well it seems to be that EVO
    (or at least those in charge of it) follow the SAME practices that Money happy
    Corporations do as well; “Money Makes Things Happen.” But you know what EVO
    doesn’t add with that motto? Money.

    Bottom line (TL;DR)-
    Wizard… You fucked up. You made decisions that have put you in a bad image and
    while I don’t believe you to be doing any of it in malice/spite, you have
    weakened the trust of many a follower and destroyed that of others. I
    personally will not be attending EVO this year and after this I have to
    STRONGLY consider if I ever want to…”

  • Mr. X

    Skullgirls shouldn’t have been the 9th slot.

    Its fucked up there was a charity battle for the last spot and then have a publisher flash enough cash to have a 9th slot appear. So does that mean either publishers pay or the community does?

    Also SG missed EVO last year because it is close to EVO you actually meant not enough $$$.

    Also not enough time for SG to get spot for the surprisingly high charity drive amount both Melee and SG raised, not enough time for 3/5 MvC3 in pool play, enough time for 9th game.

    • windsagio

      I still think people are pulling ‘flashing cash’ out of their asses.

      Is there any actual evidence of that at all, or is it jsut ‘common sense’?

      • Eric Nguyen

        I believe the “flashing cash” thing cannot be proven or disproven at this time due to a non-disclosure agreement between SRK and NRS, but the implication is so present and heavy it could crush a city. Just for closure’s sake, I really want the NDA to be screwed… Mr. Wizard, if you guys you really did accept cash, and NRS, if you really did “provide a generous donation” to get the game in, please just admit it so we can move on. I’m tired of all these “buying off the EVO staff” accusations being thrown about without written evidence.

    • Mr. X

      This isnt about SG. The SG side tourney has dedicated space and streaming Top 8 and $1k pot from EVO and you only need a spectator pass. Then another $1k from Marvelous AQL, a donated npc backgroung character from a member of the community, EightySixed streaming pools and some exclusive shirts I believe AND Lab Zero and some Skullgirls VAs will be there as well so far. We are fine here, good shit to Injustice scene to getting in and everything, I’m excited to watch it.

    • Yxiade

      When a game pulls the numbers that Injustice pulls, you make time. When SG gets Injustice numbers, it’ll get a spot. It really is that simple.

      And the 3/5 MvC3 pool play thing makes perfect sense because the other events run in parallel.

      • Mr. X

        Melee gets higher turnouts than Injustice for 10 years, had to get in via donation drive. They said not enough for Injustice to be considered due to its release date, not time enough time at Evo to reward both Melee and SG so heres dedicated space and stream (which is fucking awesome), not enough time to Marvel 3/5 the entire way.

        • “Melee gets higher turnouts than Injustice for 10 years, had to get in via donation drive. ”

          This is the motherfucking truth.

        • Yxiade

          I think melee is treated differently because the game itself is a different beast. There’s not a lot of crossover between the traditional fighting game community and the Smash community, so I can see why TOs would be a little reluctant to include it.

          As far as the other issues, you have to look at it from the TOs perspective. Injustice is the new hot property, and there is every indication it’s going to have legs. It has a solid community core with the MK guys, publisher support, developer support, and wind in its sails. As a TO do you say, “well, it’s a shame we can’t include the new thing because we said we were out of room/time” or do you find a way to make it work?

          They made time, freed up resources, and they did it in order to strengthen their own tournament. Going out of their way to free resources for other games doesn’t make sense, because including those games doesn’t benefit Evo like Injustice will benefit Evo.

          • Correction: There’s not a lot of crossover between the Capcom fighting game community and the Smash community.

            Because you can also say the same about KoF, MK, Soul Calibur, VF5, Tekken, etc.

            And even then, this isn’t very true. Fuck, the best player in UMVC3 right now, ChrisG, began playing fighting games as a Smasher.

            There’s only this PERCEPTION that the communities are divided strengthened by the fact that TOs are willing to buy into the perception and set up tournaments to split them up that way. But at the end of the day, we’re all a bunch of nerds playing a bunch of different variations on the same type of game.

          • Yxiade

            Dude, no. There is far more crossover in, say, the Tekken community and the MK community than there is between the Smash community than… well, just about any other fighting game.

            Which isn’t to say Smash sucks or isn’t a competitive game or anything, but it is very different and appeals to a slightly different demographic.

          • You’d be surprised how many UMVC3 players played Smash at one point and the other way around.

          • SpiderDan

            I’m pretty sure many, many, MANY more Marvel players came from… other Marvel games, or SF4. Even Chris G, who you claim as a “Smasher,” has talked about how he used to play Gambit in MVC2. You know, before Melee existed.

        • Louis Lam

          Melee surprisingly has more overlap with Marvel than any other non-Capcom fighting game.

      • James Reilly

        Injustice is not even a month old. ANY GAME thats barely released would get spiked turnouts. SG when it was released 6 days before Injustice (had high turnouts back then as well) last year was told “sorry the game wouldn’t grow enough before evo” http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=57119250&postcount=55 yet Injustice casually bypassed this?

        No its not that simple, stop being delusional its obviously more politics happening behind the scenes.

  • I really dont get the issue with Skullgirls not making it. There was a drive to see which game was going to be in the lineup. The first place would make it. Smash made first place, end of story. What the EVO staff decides afterwards has nothing to do with the fact that SG did not raise enough money to make the cut during the drive.

    • Jordan Hoffman

      Don’t worry about it. There really is no reasoning when in comes to butthurt self-entitled fanboys who think they speak for the entire community

      • As a Skullgirls fan, I don’t care that Skullgirls didn’t get the ninth spot.

        What I care about is that the EVO organizers decided to somehow fit in a ninth spot when, before, they had claimed there was no possible room for a ninth spot.

        How can we ever trust their word again?

        • windsagio

          How… how will I ever love again??

        • Eric Nguyen

          I am trying hard, really hard, to give them the benefit of the doubt, but why would it be impossible for them to find out that there’s a more efficient way to run tournaments, schedule pools, etc. than what they were doing before, and that these changes SOMEHOW managed to free up enough time and equipment to fit a 9th game into the lineup?

          I’m grasping for straws here, mind you…

    • James Reilly

      If you actually read the comments, its not about Skullgirls not getting the 9th spot. Its about the suspect things that was brought to light on how Injustice (a game not even a month old) got the free ride this late already when the much older games put the work to get decent turnouts get passed by. Especially when you consider the amount of effort Melee had to do to even get a spot DESPITE their much larger community and being a decade old game.

  • The only clear tangent in all of this is the money.

    Melee has had some of the highest tournament turnouts for any fighting game for the past 10 years, a kind of longevity that not even MVC2 could say they had. Why weren’t they at every EVO? Because they aren’t being sponsored by Nintendo to be there.

    Skullgirls, for the second year in a row, is not an official EVO game despite being developed by a prominent member of the MVC2 community and having been created from the ground up for fighting game fans. Why did this happen? Because they’re not being sponsored by Reverge/Autumn/Konami.

    Injustice hasn’t even been out yet for a month, yet already gets an official spot at EVO. Injustice also happens to be developed by a large company with licensed characters from an even larger company with an equally large marketing campaign.

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…what’s the trend here?

    • Yxiade

      Games with growing communities are more likely to get into Evo than games with small communities or games that are 12 years old.

      I’m sure sponsorships help with the lack of resources issue, but let’s be serious here, you can’t think of reason other than LOL MONEYHATS that Injustice would get a spot and Skullgirls wouldn’t?

      • Last year, Skullgirls had over 100 competitors for their SIDE tournament. It also came out in the exact same timeframe as Injustice did. But now, suddenly, Injustice can get in but Skullgirls can’t?

        When EVO STARTED, Melee was already super popular (more popular than ST and 3S), and it’s only ever been in one EVO.

        There’s basically two things that determine whether the game is in EVO or not: 1. whether it’s made by Capcom and 2. whether the game is sponsored by the company that made it. Otherwise, the Wizard doesn’t give a fuck. And that’s a goddamn shame.

        • Yxiade

          What do you think should determine inclusion in a tournament? Smash is normally excluded because it’s not a traditional fighting game and the scenes are very different.

          Skullgirls regularly gets fewer than 10 people at majors. I’ve seen more people line up to play the Theatre of Magic pinball at my local bar. I’ve had more people over to my house for a board game night than that game gets at majors.

          Injustice is hotter than Skullgirls has ever been. There is no goddamn comparison between the two scenes, other than chronology. Sponsorship aside, Skullgirls is not, and has never been, a serious competitive game. Injustice is currently competitive, and it has a strong core scene with the MK community, so it will likely continue to be competitive.

          So there’s the real answer. Smash is a different beast, and Skullgirls isn’t a competitive game.

          • Smash really isn’t that different from something like Marvel. Many Marvel players have commented on how the footsies for opening up opponents are very similar, and vice versa. Hell, like I said before, ChrisG started his fighting game career in Smash.

            Skullgirls gets low turnout at majors because they’re NEVER advertised to even be at those majors. If players don’t know tournaments are hosting their game, why would they show up?

            Injustice is hot because it just came out. So was Skullgirls. The amount of hype, at least in the FGC, both games had when they just came out is about the same, and that’s saying a lot considering Injustice has massive companies and IPs backing it up with a disc release while Skullgirls was made by a small company and released as a downloadable.

            And lol “never been a serious competitive game” my ass. They had over 100 people show up for EVO last year. As a SIDE tournament. Its head developer is one of the most prominent players of MVC2. It’s also basically attempting to emulate MVC2 mechanics, which has always been considered the hypest game at EVO. Lol, “never been a serious competitive game,” the fuck does that even mean

          • Yxiade

            It means that very few people attend tournaments and very few people play the game competitively.

            I’m pretty sure the Skullgirls community was aware that CEO was hosting their game, but OMG EXCUSES. Texas Throwdown? OMG EXCUSES. Excuses, excuses, excuses. It’s the fault of the TOs, it’s not advertised enough, we need to be official at Evo not just a broadcast side tournament, patches mismatch, etc. etc. etc. It’s going to be yet another round if you guys can’t get your act together and get at least a few hundred for Evo this year, but the good news is you have a ready-made excuse for yet another missed opportunity (Grrrrr WIZARD MONEYBAGS!!!!)

            That’s what “never been a serious competitive game” means. You had a “hey, why not?” turnout last year, and since then, it’s been crickets. You have a couple dudes who actually care enough to get off their ass and play, and dozens of fanboys who talk about how their game is totally core and an awesome competitive experience, and never actually attend events.

            Divekick is a more competitive game, and it’s not released yet.

  • James Reilly
    • windsagio

      If I were him, instead of whinging I’d be telling his fans to chill before they queer the game (and it’s community) image further.

      • ZenTzen

        where in that post is he whinning

        • windsagio

          the ‘hmm’. bit. A lil’ passive aggressive :p

          • Oh, fuck off with that.

            That was aggressive-aggressive.

      • I don’t even understand this sentence.

        “Whinging”?

        “Queer the game”?

        Are you simultaneously making spelling errors and homophobic implications at the same time?

        • windsagio

          In the name of education (I looked up specific info just for you, no need to thank me):

          “Queer your pitch” (the phrase I adapted) is at least 200 years old, and substantially (to say the least) predates the term ‘queer’ as associated with gays.

          ‘Whinge’ is from middle english dating back to at least the 12 century.

          You can’t blame me for having a superior vocabulary!

          • Hey, racism also dates back at least 200 years, but I wouldn’t call racism the same as having a superior sense of social dynamics.

          • windsagio

            You can’t dig your way out of a 5th grade education 🙁

          • You don’t need a fifth grade education to Google stuff.

  • REDRUM

    U retards finally see the light???? Injustice should have been the 3rd game announced originally ….

  • Amadeus Alexander

    I think there would be more blacklash if Injustice wasn’t included in the line-up. Sure some of us are hurt about Skullgirls, but this is Injustice we’re talking about. This is a big game with a very large community from all walks of life. If you’re not too busy playing it, you should really check out some of the streams, it has a large following because gamers are following their favorite Marvel, AE, Tekken and MK players to Injustice. When you have a fighter so young with a community so big, the last thing you want is for gamers to spend their Fri-Sun looking looking at another Injustice stream during EVO. If anything, i’m more confused as to why it didn’t replace MK9, (congradulations on your 3rd year at EVO, btw). As for those questioning how long the community will last, your answer was my previous sentence. Mortal Kombat 9 built a scene from virtually scratch, mostly new players altogether. Fortunately, it was able to compete at this years EVO despite backlash. Take a bigger and better game with a bigger franchises and DC Comics properties, and you have the biggest competitor to Capcom’s MvC franchise in the lineup. I’m surprised Injustice isn’t #3

    • ZenTzen

      thing is this game isnt gonna compete and isnt in the same league as MvC3.

      do people seriously believe this is gonna happen, personally, this is flavor of the month kind of game and even if injustice wasnt included in the lineup no one would care, people would ask themselves why and would be asking for maybe a spot in Evo 2014, the backlash wouldnt be that major.

      • I honestly don’t think people cared that it wasn’t in the line-up to begin with, because there was already precedent for a game being excluded for coming out too close to EVO (i.e. Skullgirls).

        • ZenTzen

          thats what i’m saying

      • Amadeus Alexander

        numbers + fan support + hype > opinions + doubt

  • Danny Craig

    I’m genuinely curious how SG managed to get 2nd place in the donation drive when majors attract almost no players. (refer to windsagio’s links).

    The number of SG fans on the internet and actual tournament players don’t seem to match at all.

    They are very vocal in praising SG, its gameplay, about MikeZ, and even donate money but the actual competitive players seem very low in comparison.

    Also some people say ‘SG players would increase if it was in evo’ this is absolutely ridiculous. You play your fighting game because you like it, not because of some outside incentive like its gonna be in evo! I don’t hear any complaints from VF, ST, Vsav crew. They do their own thing via side tournaments or whatever.

    If you love SG, you should just go to evo and meet up with fellow SG players and have a blast. Who cares if its featured as a main game or not.

    • windsagio

      its just a different community type.

      It’s more about the art and the world to a fairly large % of the SkG community, and less about being in competition.

      The other minority is just very vocal

    • Corey

      evo got me playing KOF.

      i never has an incentive to play it till i saw the top 8 in evo finals. game is too hard for me though and the online sucks so i have not played it much. skullgirls doesnt appeal to me at all.

      • ButtPlugs

        congrats, you fit in with the rest of the new age fg player.

  • Zonder88

    The salt on all these haters. Injustice should’ve been in the lineup in the first place. Game is good, its new, its fresh. It deserves a spot as a main game, unlike all those side games in the breast cancer poll.

  • Crow Winters

    They couldn’t have guessed that this announcement this late would not have met serious derision.

    Really curious to see how (and if) Wizard responds.

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  • I cant wait for the Black Adam vs. Deathstroke zone fest in the finals. Seriously this game still has a ton of problems. Environmental being unblockable and doing major damage being one of them

  • urdane7

    I also wonder how informed people are about why SG pulls such short numbers. There are many issues holding back a community from developing.

    For starters, everyone was waiting on a patch that would effectively changed how the game is played, so people were holding off on developing further into the game. The patch ended up in limbo with everyone unaware with what was going on. The skullgirls dev team was laid off during this time so there was no way to get the patch out as promised.

    After they took some time to get the patch out (working unpaid hours), the patch was finally released on PS3 but was held back by microsoft’s policies. This effectively halved the community as the latest version of the game was only available on one platform. To this day, the patch has been delayed on 360 for a few reasons outside of Lab Zero’s control. (Not completely MS’s fault in this case).

    The fact is there are quit a few SG players, but since the game is only seriously played on one platform, they are spread pretty thin across the US. Didn’t EVO get 90+ entries for a SIDE TOURNAMENT of sg last year?

    • over a hundred, actually

    • Yxiade

      So if there was an Xbox patch, would CEO be getting at least 15 preregistrations?

      Personally, I don’t think it matters why their numbers are terrible. Excuses don’t fill seats.

    • Petran79

      it is much simpler than that.
      Injustice is for casual audiences and to milk money from guaranteed franchises.

      even without a patch they’d buy the game.

      • windsagio

        funny thing is, all evidence points to SkG being for casual audiences too…

        They’re more interested in world stuff and the art
        They don’t show up at actual tournaments.

        People are sure as hell showing up for injustice at events already.

        • Petran79

          I’d prefer a game where you can contact and communicate with the developers the way SG do and not attend tournaments, rather than have DC and WB stand between you and the developers. this makes contact impossible. Even Capcom do not listen to their audiences anymore.

          In a way, hardcore means that you truly like the game, whether it is art, music, gameplay etc and have a say in it rather than play it for DC characters served on a plate.

          Attending events means nothing if you cant have your say on the game. Essentially I mean the distinction of hardcore-casual in this way.

          • windsagio

            Doesn’t make it tournament appropriate though.

            A community can be 100% valid and not care about the tournament scene a single bit.

  • Craig Baker

    My favorite part of this is the people complaining about the money they donated to breast cancer charities being “wasted” because their game didnt get in…. stay classy

  • Eric Nguyen

    Sorry, but Chris G’s story trumps your friend’s story.

  • Joseph Patriquin

    The major issue here is that Skullgirls held a very successful crowdfunding campaign after the initial vote. If the Skullgirls team had been informed that one can buy a slot at EVO like WB has for Injustice, they could have added it as a stretch goal in their campaign and gotten in that way.

    Next time, Mr. Wizard should make sure everyone knows the price to get into EVO so it’s fair to everyone.

    • windsagio

      Doesn’t address that Injustice is a substantially better game for evo to have in any number of ways that SkG can’t touch.

      More crowd excitement
      Better turnout
      Better Brand Recognition
      Staying relevant

      Skullgirls gives them nothing, and Injustice gives them all that before we even start on sponsorships.

  • Courtney Houston
  • I’ve noticed that no one has brought up the fact that MK was at EVO and it released around the same time as Injustice in 2011. The biggest difference between 2011 EVO and this years 2013 EVO is the amount of new releases they had available.

    It’s obvious to me Mr. Wizard didn’t want to cut out the MK9 community for the sake of adding an untested game to the roster and that they were already too many games which I felt were all great choices.

    It’s hard to deny that injustice is getting positive feedback and I believe if not for the huge roster of games it would have been added no question. I give you Mr Wizard made a (huge)mistake adding it to the 8th game list as it had not been released but I’m glad its getting added…I’m very eager to see how this is all going to work out.

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  • Go2hell66

    Its is a sad day for fighting games…

  • DeDex

    I don’t understand some of the reactions here.

    To the people complaining about the fact that Skullgirls, that was the 2nd game with the most donations, was ignored, you should think about it that way: your community was able to raise $70k for breast cancer. That is great. But there was never any mention of the runner-up being included in the major games at EVO. Melee won, so it got the spot, and that’s it. Besides, though I don’t know much personally about it, the Skullgirls community doesn’t seem to be very present at tournaments, so it’s no wonder the game was not added in the end. To me, the people complaining about this are just acting like “I didn’t care my money went to research against breast cancer, I just wanted my game to be at EVO”. You can’t even think that your money wasn’t wasted since it helped research.

    Of course, Injustice was added to the tournament after the vote. Of course, there were supposed to be only 8 games at the beginning. But aren’t you being a bit naïve here? Injustice is popular, and can get many people to be interested about their game being at EVO. More people means more money. Why wouldn’t they make such a move?

    So yeah, it’s a bit awkward to grant Injustice a 9th spot that shouldn’t have been there in the first place. But at the time of the vote, the quality of the game, as well as the size of its community, couldn’t be known. Since it’s gathering a lot of hype right now, it seems only fair to me that they got in. Especially if the guys behind the event were “encouraged” to count Injustice in.

    Asides from being a way to help medical research, the vote was a way for the fans to pick a game they like and bring it to EVO. The guys who set up the tournament can do as they like, and add the games they want to. But they gave to the community an opportunity to pick one game. It’s their rules, and as long as you don’t organize such a tournament on your role, it’s just stupid to complain about them.