Tekken Tag Tournament 2 – Possible Bug Allows Kunimitsu to Crouch Under Certain Mid Attacks

Tekken Tag Tournament 2 – Possible Bug Allows Kunimitsu to Crouch Under Certain Mid Attacks
iantothemax by on September 16th, 2012 at 6:24 pm

A recently uploaded video by thegutsygeek reveals his discovery of a possible bug that could cause some problems in Tekken Tag Tournament 2. Apparently, Kunimitsu’s crouching hit box is so small that she is able to duck under a few mid attacks, completely negating their strength against her.

This video demonstrates a few of the mids that Kunimitsu can avoid, and a short list was also provided of others that have been confirmed. That list has been included below the video. If you play any of the characters listed, make sure to take note.

 

King

  • f+4
  • JGS df+4
  • WS+1
  • 1+2
Armor King
  • f+2,1
  • f,f+4
Baek
  • 1+2
Hwoarang
  • uf+2
Bruce
  • WS+2,1
  • df+2

 

Source: thegutsygeek via Level Up Your Game

  • http://twitter.com/GrapeATL Grape 포도 약탈품

    Tight.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joe-Silva/100000213446318 Joe Silva

    With so many characters and moves for each one of them is impossible to check all and get sure everything is perfect… but nothing to worry about, I’m sure in the first update this “issue” will be fixed

    • http://twitter.com/emezie Emezie Okorafor

      Yeah, and besides this game doesn’t have Capcom’s name on the box so glitches, like dicks, are okay.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CxBkX_0FUA

      • http://twitter.com/novriltataki Fighting Game News

        go away, SFXT defense force. no one mentioned your game here so you can go back to your hole.

        • JasinWalraven

          His point is valid and you have dick on your breath. If this was a Capcom game the “I”m pissed off that no one plays the game I like because I am a hipster” crowd would be going apeshit “this game is broken and dead. How could they not play test this? let (insert capcom game here) die” oh, it’s not capcom, let it slide.

          • Jacob Bradford

             1 game have we gone after and for good reason the game was a money grab and thats it

            oh look 1 fighter can duck mids boo hoo at least there are not infinite a baby can do in his sleep all over the place
            next dlc found on disk for namco oh hey btw it all free oh cool ty namco dlc found on a capcom disk wtf capcom why this shit here
            capcom: how dare you criminal scum reveal our money grab bs lock them away!

          • http://twitter.com/Mrscrubble M. Scrubble

            Screw that, lets join the hate band-wagon that hypocrites like Emezie have judged others for riding–because disliking games that he/she likes is unacceptable.

            Screw TTT2 (Kappa) because it has bugs–just like SFxT which had infinites and game breaking glitches–this is unacceptable! I mean sure I could use a different mid to hit Kunimitsus from now on, because they’ll be blocking low a lot more but screw that! I’m not gonna do nothing. Namco better patch this soon, because I can’t play the game till they do. (Kappa)

            Wow, I love the hate band-wagon lol.

          • Nybb

            “at least there are not infinite a baby can do in his sleep”

            I have some bad news for you…

          • NYC01301

            Oh my goodness! Why is everyone so immature on this site?  Anyway, I think people have to realize that these console exclusive characters did not have the nearly 2 years of tournament play in arcades the regular roster had. A lot of work is put into the balance of Tekken. The game usually goes through nearly 2 years of exclusive arcade play before it hits the consoles. When you receive the console version, you are essentially receiving the near perfect version of this game. Unfortunately, these DLC characters did not have the opportunity to be fine tuned through arcade play like the rest of the cast. Also the hitboxes in Tekken are very intricate, with the exception of a few moves here and there. But usually that has to do with balancing  purposes :)  

          • http://twitter.com/emezie Emezie Okorafor

            “I think people have to realize that these console exclusive characters did not have the nearly 2 years of tournament play in arcades the regular roster had. ”

            Oh, so that matters now?  I could name other recent fighting games that didn’t have the benefit of an arcade release AT ALL, but that didn’t stop people from being merciless with their criticism of glitches.

            If TTT2 deserves a pass (a game that had at least some arcade exposure), then the other games deserved more of a pass…which they didn’t get.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TIC7WNRSMFBSCLF6OR6JQJAAZA sb

           he didnt mention SFxT either and you just proved him right

          • Zonder88

             He doesnt need to? Any retard with a brain can figure it out by the poster name alone?

      • spectaa

        Get over it.

        • http://twitter.com/emezie Emezie Okorafor

          Lol, one of these days you guys are going to realize that you’re exactly like me.

          You don’t like it when people crap on your games, do you?

          • spectaa

            Nope, but I don’t crap on other games by revenge. You changed dude.

          • http://twitter.com/emezie Emezie Okorafor

            Hell yes, I’ve changed.

            Thanks, FGC!

            Take responsibility for the consequences you reap. You hate on others, they will hate on you.

            Sorry, but I will continue to point out hypocrisies and bullshit that other companies get away with.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Yan-Zhao/10516382 Yan Zhao

            @twitter-43288380:disqus

            Point out hypocrisies? Sure. Until TTT2 obtains a glitch that freezes the game or forces a time out, kindly STFU. Thanks.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/KI6R3RMEZC7K3RCO6SBB3CYJPI Lal

            Emezie, I don’t know what you are suffering from but SFxT isn’t “your” game. It is capcom’s game.

            And capcom, in my book, is out of favors since the stuff with SFXT, so I will react on their errors much more than on the errors made by namco because they didn’t screw up as much.

            Back on topic, I am surprised that they had this kind of flops, lets wait and see how fast they patch this problem.

          • Zonder88

            How sad it is to see Emezie falling into the retard category similar to Kaihedgie.

          • http://twitter.com/emezie Emezie Okorafor

            Lol, why do you guys keep focusing on me?

            There’s a damn glitch in the game.  Lashing out at me won’t change that.

          • Zonder88

            Because you keep trying to white knight SFxT using these Tekken glitches as an excuse, when the reality is you’re too stupid to realize situational infinites and small hitboxes are not the same as game breaker/freezing bugs that SFxT had. I dont even like Tekken, but at least Im smart enough to understand the scale of glitches to know that this is harmless comapared to SFxT.

            Now piss off.

          • http://www.facebook.com/illness690 John Taylor

             I have no words for the amount stupidity you possess. This is why I hate sfxt fanboys.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/M4W3JYRDPLPJAUAIS76LEIAO64 Rock

    Preorder DLC seems fair and balanced.

  • Hazzird

    RIP TT2, just kidding, but i really hope this wasn’t intentional, i really don’t think its that big of game breaker atm, hope its just a bug that can be patched, but anyway im loving TT2 right now really fun and pretty much every character could be competitive we’ll see tho.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rob.kusanagi Rob Toohey

      it’s easily fixable. all they really need to do is adjust her cr. hit box. that’s the problem with console characters, though. they don’t have the same amount of time in the “oven” as the others so to speak. 

  • L Light

    Kings 1+2 can hit. When his idle animation bobs back, you can get 1+2 to hit. haha

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Murray/611100197 Mike Murray

    Super Spike V’Ball music!

    • Stank_JP

      one of the dopest games ever!

  • d3v

    Doesn’t look gamebreaking. In fact, I wouldn’t mind them leaving this in.

    • http://twitter.com/novriltataki Fighting Game News

      That’s the equivalent of having a SF character that can magically walk through fireballs. This is a pretty fundamental problem, and should be fixed ASAP.

      • http://twitter.com/Shin_Hogosha Michael Connolly

        You mean UNDER fireballs.  And that exists with the ultra broken character that is Twelve.

        • Louis Lam

          lol if we’re talking 3rd strike twelve is terrible

        • http://twitter.com/emezie Emezie Okorafor

          Twelve was DESIGNED to walk through fireballs.

          Kunimitsu was NOT DESIGNED to duck under these mids.

          Clearly this is a key difference.

          • xeleion

             You sure about that?  Look again, it’s questionable.

        • http://twitter.com/novriltataki Fighting Game News

           No I mean like a SF2 character, in a game were fireballs matter.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TIC7WNRSMFBSCLF6OR6JQJAAZA sb

          Tweleve broken WTF yea i see him dominating online alot LMAO
          i guess you think jumping over fireballs are broken too
          it would look pretty stupid for a shape shifter to make himself crawl on the ground and still get hit by fireballs

      • JasinWalraven

        No d3v has a valid point, if left in people would either not throw out mids without thinking, or it would become part of the game to make the opponent think you are throwing out a mid to bait this out and punish. As long as it doesn’t freeze the game wait to see how it affects the meta game. Patches are expensive and I’d hate to see Namco waste money patching something out that may in fact make the game more fun….Plus in SSF4AE Juri can magicklly dash under many fireballs in the game, and in UmvC3 Deadpool can do the same, so there is precedent.
          

        • L Light

          It’s also not all mids. Just some a few mids.  King still has many useful mids and so do the others.

        • http://twitter.com/emezie Emezie Okorafor

          How the hell does this make the game more fun?

          How does losing legit mids in a game where mid/low mixups are crucial make the game more fun?  Do you really think King players are excited about this?

          “if left in people would either not throw out mids without thinking, or it would become part of the game to make the opponent think you are throwing out a mid to bait this out and punish.”

          Umm, yeah, people already do this.  It’s called “Tekken”.

          We don’t need glitches to make “Tekken” be more “Tekken”.

          • Garrett Jones

             I think anyone who is reasonable would argue that this glitch should not be in the game, but that doesn’t mean this is anything like the SFxTekken glitches and that certainly doesn’t mean that TTT2 having this makes SFxT any more fun. Game-breaking glitches aside, most people agree that TTT2 is fun and SFxT isn’t. All the arguments for why people think that about Tekken and not SFxT have already been made.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/KFD623WBWJKHAW75XTB2ATXWMY Troy

         Because certain SF characters don’t have moves that go though fireballs.

      • NYC01301

        It really seems to only affect the characters listed. And it’s only those specific attacks. It’s not like she is able to dodge every single mid attack a character has. You could just use a lower hitting mid. I don’t believe things are that straight forward in Tekken. Plus it actually looks as if those attacks are supposed be dodged, it doesn’t look as if the limbs actually come in contact with her head. Xiaoyu and many other characters that rely on the crush system are able to evade certain mids. Xiaoyu’s phoenix stance can avoid certain mid attacks and Zafina’s tarantula stance avoids many mid attacks that don’t hit too low. I actually would not mind if they kept this in. But that is just my opinion. 

        • http://twitter.com/emezie Emezie Okorafor

          According to the video: “Here’s a short list of what we found after about 5 minutes of testing.”

          There are probably more moves that this works against that haven’t been found yet.

          • NYC01301

            And that would probably be high hitting mid attacks lol. It’s not like the limbs are actually going through her. They are going over her head. I wouldn’t say it’s a glitch, she just crouches much lower than any other character in the game. Therefore some mid attacks with higher hit ranges will just sail over her head. As you can clearly see, there is a big difference between Xiaoyu and Kunimitsu’s crouch. Kunimitsu is much lower to the ground than Xiaoyu. Half the people that are complaining about this don’t even own the game or have Kunimitsu for that matter. 

          • ookamunka

            Yeah, but it’s rather stupid having a move that hits people who crouch, oops, except this character.  That would be like Ryu’s low forward hitting low against everyone, except it acts as an overhead against Akuma or something equally as retarded.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/M4W3JYRDPLPJAUAIS76LEIAO64 Rock

       How the hell is leaving this in a good idea? Someone immune to mids crouching:

      - Can’t be hit high
      - Can’t be thrown
      - Can’t be hit by mids
      - Blocks everything low

      In other words get the first hit, hold down back, wait for time-out. Seems like a pretty fun game.

      • NYC01301

        It’s not like she is dodging every single mid attack in the game lol. You can use lower hitting mid attacks and attacks that are going to directly hit her in the face. Everything isn’t that straight forward in Tekken. Not all mid attacks hit in the same range. The list shows you which mid attacks just sail over her head. You can even use xiaoyu’s phoenix stance to avoid certain mids, especially with her duck animation in that stance.

      • michael bradford

         i agree this needs to be fixed asap
        now thats said you do understand that so far not even close to all mids wiff on her right

      • http://twitter.com/GrapeATL Grape 포도 약탈품

        This would make sense if she went under EVERY mid…but she doesn’t.

    • Zonder88

      Dont know if you’re being sarcastic, but you do realize mid attacks are the ONLY way to hit a crouching opponent right? Because they block lows and high whiffs.

      • NYC01301

        You can use lower hitting mid attacks and mid attacks with animations that won’t fly over her head. It’s not like the limbs are going straight through her lol. There are different hit ranges, so every mid attack is not going to hit in the same area. I don’t think people realize that she is not able to dodge every single mid attack in the game, just the ones listed with higher hitting ranges. 

        • d3v

          This.

          • ookamunka

            Consistency is the issue here.   As I mentioned before, it’s like Ryu’s low forward hits low on everyone, but it’s an overhead against Akuma.  In the general ruleset of Tekken mechanics, mids hit crouching opponents.  All of a sudden now, my mid move is a high against this character only?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1209867418 Neniv Bazi

    Even if they did decide to fix this immediately, we wouldn’t see the patch for at least another 2 or 3 weeks due to the stupid approval process it would need to go through. Quite a pre-order bonus.

  • http://www.twitter.com/tyler2k1/ tyler2k

    This is incredible because it looks like her hurt box is actually 1:1 for her character model. Notice how when she’s crouching Kuni is naturally leaning backward, but when Xiaoyu is crouching, she is leaning forward. Bruce hit box for d/f+2 is notoriously small, so small hit box + Kuni naturally leaning back = win for kuni.

    Easy fix would probably be to move Kuni’s hurt bux upward, although not 1:1, it would be easier than completely changing her crouching model/skelly.

    BUT WAIT, A CHALLENGER APPEARS!!!

    Because her hurt box is sooo tiny, this probably means that talls (and possibly some non-talls) may be able to cross her up from standing, so you get a free unblockable every time you notice her in a neutral position. Get that +6/7 on her, free unblockable. Rinse, repeat.

    • Causus

      This! This is how the FGC should react to news like this. Crouching mids? Fuck complaining, turn that shit into a cross up setup. Like a boss.

    • http://www.facebook.com/illness690 John Taylor

       TO THE LAB

  • http://www.facebook.com/Hellacious1789 Ryan Boyle

    Considering that she was Gamestop Exclusive DLC and the actual character hasn’t been released yet.  Couldn’t Namco just include that with the Character Unlock for free when everyone gets her?  And for those that currently have her from the Gamestop Exclusive DLC, just have to redownload her as a character and that will override the original Pre-Order Pack DLC hence patching the bug.  That is already planned and in the budget so I don’t forsee how that couldn’t be implemented.

    • spectaa

      Everyone get the title update (online), if you don’t patch your game you can’t go online. So every kunimitsu will be the same whether you had it as preorder bonus or not, as long as you let the title update patch your game. No need for re-downloading anything. The problem is that validation takes time. And it’s barely a problem in this case, this isn’t exactly game breaking.

  • Ian Donmoyer

    Oh, NOW we’re calling out strange hitboxes in Tekken.  I’ve been watching a giant bear duck under shit in this franchise for more than a decade.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Enzo-Nicosia/100000320074812 Enzo Nicosia

       lol thank you, its about time someone brought that up.

    • spectaa

      I’d say the problem is actually that the hitbox isn’t strange.

  • RaidenNC

    This isn’t game breaking.  The average character in this game has about 100 moves. Many of the mids have lower hitboxes. King has f+3:1+2, df+1,2, df+2, and uf+4. Bruce has b,f+4 (safe, beefy, mid launcher), b+2, and df+1. This really isn’t that big a deal even if they don’t patch it, though I assume they will. It is more like the equivalent of juri dashing through fireballs than anything else.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/KI6R3RMEZC7K3RCO6SBB3CYJPI Lal

      It is kinda game breakinf because then it is like MK9 where high/mid/low is badly defined. For a game like tekken where mid means that it will always hit ducking characters (except special stances like ling’s).

  • http://twitter.com/MortalKomment MortalKomment

    This is just Namco’s way of making up for Kunimitus being low-tier in the original Tekken Tag.  It’s fine.

  • http://twitter.com/TheDuke2007 Devin

    Moves behaving oddly on characters while retarded isn’t that off the wall even in 3D games

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Enzo-Nicosia/100000320074812 Enzo Nicosia

    Honestly I think it’s a fair thing for kunimitsu, considering she’s one of the shortest, if not the shortest standing neutral character in the game, combine that with mids that while hitting mid, hit slightly different heights.. its rather balanced.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/KI6R3RMEZC7K3RCO6SBB3CYJPI Lal

      But don’t tell her that :)

  • http://twitter.com/Darkforge Bevan Djernaes

    it goes against the mechanic’s of the game so it should be fixed and It will. I like how all the asshole’s immediately jump up and decry the game where every capcom game that’s come out this gen has had infinates and really bad bug’s on release as well.

    • michael bradford

       dont let em get to ya
      they are just mad they got sfxt and we got TTT2 i would be mad if i got the shaft as hard as them as well.
      just an fyi hworangs just frame does not actually make contact with most of the cast the hit is just assumed and they are launched this will probably be how they fix kunimitsu
      no visual hit but connection will be made.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/KFD623WBWJKHAW75XTB2ATXWMY Troy

    Wan’t to talk about hit boxes, why does Angel’s uf 1+2 go though a standing Jinpachi’s head instead blasting him in the face?

    • Translayer

      Because it is a move that only hits characters that are already in the air. This also applies in Tekken 6 when you are fighting Azasel, & using Devil Jin’s u/f+1+2 to hit Azasel in standing neutral state.

  • Blk_Azn

    This is not a bug, its the ninja secret technique

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TIC7WNRSMFBSCLF6OR6JQJAAZA sb

    this game is just ass and couldnt even last longer than P4U a shit load of useless characters and costume crap just dont cut it
    this game needs all the help it can get it got it and still failed
    i see new complaints about this gave everyday and alot of people got fooled from the fake hype

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/KI6R3RMEZC7K3RCO6SBB3CYJPI Lal

      Didn’t see much P4 news lately, the game is/was good what happened?

    • XaviIniesta

      Ridiculous notion to try to claim that you can determine the success of a game after only a few days. These things can and will get patched, just like similar things in other games.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/BLL3XMY6DVGS5DO7W45HR5AFQA red

        dont feed trollz

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=881600720 Nathaniel Montes

    King has at least three throws, including a multistarter, that would make Kuni think twice before crouching, that I can think of.

  • xeleion

    She physically goes lower than Xiao.  This may be somewhat intentional, just saying.  Also, it’s way too early  to declare this an actual problem.

    • NYC01301

      That is exactly what I was thinking.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JGEL7BRAVWLDPGJ55BYPUTXMCI HpR

    This game has been out in arcades forever. This and the Ogre infinite aren’t big deals, especially if this is the extent of the “broken” stuff. 

  • John E.

    A bug in a non-Capcom game? Who cares? Obviously every other fighting game maker is flawless, so shut your trap SRK. DID CAPCOM PAY YOU TO FIND THIS BUG?!

  • Kaihedgie

    Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. People rage their spines off about glitches popping up in one game made by a certain company, but stay civil and quiet when another game by another company does it….on the principle that money isn’t involved?

    No no, it gets better, when someone points out the sheer hypocrisy that’s being displayed; rather than acknowledge it, let alone apologize, they proceed to gang up on that person, call them names, bash the heck out of them and false flag him. And while they’re at it, attempt to call out other people, too. And they get likes for it. And the comment pointing all this out gets flagged as spam.

    SRK, I think it’s about time you look for mods to start moderating the Disqus threads from now on because as of now, SRK isn’t exactly painting a positive picture for its community if this is the kind of comments they see on the front page.

    • http://twitter.com/gogotwit Gojira Twit

      Who is this hypocrite you and this other “someone” speak of?  Or are you guys just waving your arms around like a lunatic and hoping someone thinks you’re pointing at them?

      Community blanket statements are fun but if you have to use “people” in every other statement it’s pretty clear you’re just projecting your hate onto nobody in particular.

      • Kaihedgie

        Since you asked, the hypocrites being the ones flagging and bashing on Emezie. The other someone is usually other people agreeing with him, but it’s me in particular that’s been pointed out this time. I never really use names in particular since 1: I’d assume people would know who I’m talking to, and 2: I usually don’t zero in and single out people, as far as SRK goes, since two users in particular seem to be fond of that.

        • http://www.facebook.com/illness690 John Taylor

           This isn’t a glitch. The character is short. No glitch here. Your argument is invalid. Let us all continue to bash the sfxt fanboy :D

          • Kaihedgie

             http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwDA4h7rTR0

  • http://www.facebook.com/AL.x.and.her Alexander ‘Al King’ Clay

    And the war on the defense force continues….

  • http://twitter.com/esruc_cipe Preston M

    She’s a ninja. Makes sense

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/clatheninja Cla

    How is this a “possible” bug? This is blatantly unintentional. Unless you are trying to imply that Namco did this on purpose for some reason…

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Iris-Repliforce/100001201063895 Iris Repliforce

      I’m looking and it isn’t touching.

  • http://twitter.com/uhnfunny uhnfunny

    i dont think this is a bug, there are other instances where some characters cant get hit by mids. like Xiaoyu

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VKFFX7ELJVVJJKINZX5JPYCRQU Zyx

    Wow, this is actually way more broken than the A.Ogre infinite. I’m sure this will be patched. No way they wanted a random neutal crouching character immuned to some mids. It’s just like Guy being grabbed while in crouching hit stun. They wouldn’t give a blatent advantage like that to one character. It’s just the typical console character bugs.

  • Otis Brogdon Jr.

    LOL when he does the European uppercut it goes through her face and also the reason why they don’t connect isn’t because they are ducking. IT is because of her stance when attacks is being slightly pushed back, but with Xaioyu her stance has no effect and he kicks and punches through it.

    Just watch the video again and you will see what I am saying. In essence it isn’t her low ducking it is the fact that her model keeps him from connecting and makes him whiff.

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