Tekken Tag Tournament 2 – Katsuhiro Harada and Namco Bandai Live Reveal Miharu, Sebastian, Slim Bob, and Dr. Bosconovitch

I tell you what.

When SF5 comes out with:

-All the same characters from SF4 (in new models of course, because new 3D models fool people into thinking characters are comepletely redone)

-an additional 20 shoto clones (with a few different moves here and there to make them “play totally differently”)

-and 2 genuinely new characters.

…let’s remember this thread, and see how forgiving you all will be.

Here’s a hint: You all will hate it.

I don’t read every comment on srk and I am not as involved in this community as others. So you’re bringing in all a lot of baggage that I have nothing do with into this particular argument.

Because, in actuality, I really enjoy SFXT. It’s one of the few 2D fighters I can actually get into. And I totally didn’t mind that the DLC was on the disc. I, personally, am willing to give Capcom the benefit of the doubt and assume that they gave the developers a larger budget than they would have had the disc only had 40 characters. And they were only allowed the extra budget to go ahead and include future DLC on the disc in order to keep the online community unified (and perhaps to save money on bandwidth by making download sizes exponentially smaller). 

So, yeah, I am willing to believe they didn’t take away characters in order to make a cheap buck off the consumer down the road. 40 odd characters, with half of them essentially being brand new was already quite the undertaking, and 15-20 bucks (I don’t remember) for 12 new characters was a fair price to me.

So, since I was happy with the DLC for SFXT, you can imagine, that all of these DLC characters for TTT2 being totally free makes me even happier. And now that I know you’re an SFXT advocate, your cynicism toward this DLC just makes me even more confused by your position in this argument.

You’re over simplifying the Capcom hate bandwagon. Most people were not upset at the inclusion of shoto derivatives:
Ryu, Ken, Dan, Sakura, Akuma, Gouken, and Sagat (because there isn’t a lot of muay-thai influence in his move set. imo he’s just a shoto kick boxer)

Capcom was criticized for having five shoto characters and ADDING two additional reskins (DBZ shotos) in a fifteen dollar expansion; at least this was my personal gripe with AE (which I still haven’t purchased). The “whiners” seemed to think that there were enough shoto characters already but Capcom disagreed.

As far as these clones are concerned:

1) they’re free, so ain’t gonna complain about that.

2) It’s a tag game, so maybe some people WANT two laws on their team, or two xiaoyus, or two Lilis and I’m glad Namco gave players the option of picking two characters with familiar styles for people who don’t know how to play anyone else.

3) people really aren’t praising Namco for reskins–they’re just excited to be playing with old characters that haven’t been in Tekken for years. You can argue that Capcom did the same thing with Evil Ryu and Yang and Yun, but Capcom left other old characters out of AE. Namco hasn’t left any one out but Gon, so far less people are salty.

You can argue that people would have still been salty if Capcom reskinned abunch of characters like:

Guile for Remy
Dhalsim for Necro
Seth for Urien

But they didn’t instead they left them out of the game entirely. So yay people are salty but it’s only because their favorite characters got left out for more shoto clones. So on the bright side people hate Capcom, because they used to love their games so much. I know I’m going to be salty if CvS3 gets made and they but Sean in the game. But I don’t hate Capcom just because they’re Capcom–I really used to love their games.

No ones cares if there are “clones” when those “clones” are only similar by 15-20 combos out of 75+ combo’s. They also have completely different models… not just a red shirt this time with blonde hair……….. or black with brown hair…….. or just an evil version of the same dude….. 

The fact is its free. Please Harada-san shove more character variants down my throat as long as it’s free. Give me a stage where uncle sam has a huge dildo shoved up his a** I’ll get it as long as it’s free.

This game is based off fighting styles. You add a dude who does karate but has different moves, it’s a new character. End of story.
Capcom is flooding the fighting game market and is trying so hard to keep profits above the clearly superior developing companies. I was a huge capcom fan for years, but honestly the way Capcom is just straight up lying to everyone about their PC releases of the games and how it somehow takes a month+ to patch a glitch on xbl and psn is just obnoxious. I mean they blamed steam for not allowing the DLC to come out for another 2 weeks. 2 days later steam said “liars. Capcom can freely add DLC and upload patches to the steam server.” 2 months later I still have no DLC  and am playing on ver 1.02 and the netcode is such shit you can’t even play online. Capcom sucks so bad now. They are totally just flooding the market with re-releases because they know their newer games suck ass. Persona 4 Arena and TTT2 shit on SFxT. I love my SSF4AE and am not ready to admit that game is getting shit on, but please don’t act like this game isn’t badass cuz it is freaking awesome. TTT2 rulez. 

TTT2 IS awesome, but that’s besides the point. Anywho, in the way that Tekken does its command lists, you could say that Cammy in SFxT has about 55 “moves” without a single “combo” listed. I’m just saying, there may be a bit of injustice in your comment there. Tekken will list jumping kick in its command list. Nothing wrong with that, just saying. If Tekken can list L, L as an item on its command list, and then the next item on the list is L, pause, L, wouldn’t it be fair to list Cammy’s cr.LP x cr.HP, and cr.LP, cr.HP as 2 different items on the “command list”? First one is about 9x dmg and can only chains to cross rush, the 2nd one is a 120 dmg link that can be further linked into etc etc special cancel etc. She, like many others, has beyond far more than 20 or so commands or combos.

Now it will prolly help if I acknowledge a few things. Capcom doing bad business, is fair to say. Capcom having “clone” characters, yes, of course. TTT2 a freakin awesome game with lots of good content etc put into it, definitely in agreement there.  But none of that has anything to do with anything I am talking about here. I’m not trying to compare what game or company is better or any silly business like that. Yes, Capcom DID shoot the sheriff, BUT, did NOT shoot the deputy.

It’s like everyone wants to blame Johnny for the smell in the bathroom as if he’s the only one who ever has to take a hadouken. If you hate Johnny for something else, hate on him for that, not for some other crap that people you like also do (then act like it never happened when they do).

Ryu doesn’t play like Ken. . . If he does, you’re playing him wrong.

Not to just defend Capcom, I love Tekken too (1,2,3,5dr, & 6, plan to get ttt2 soon), but man, do you guys even listen to yourselves with this?

Does street fighter have character clones? Yes
Does tekken have character clones? Yes

No one’s trying to say that Tekken has clones and SF doesn’t. It’s closer to an attempt at dispelling the apparent illusion that many seem to have, that ONLY SF has clones, while completely ignoring the fact that TTT2 does as well (even worse mind you). The repeated failure to acknowledge this by many, by trying to expose SF for using clones (we all know this already) in Tekkens defense just shows how it’s still not being grasped.

Something obviously went right over your head.