Persona 4 Arena Faces Development Issues in Europe, Release Date Remains Unconfirmed

by iantothemax on August 22nd, 2012 at 9:20 am

Earlier this morning, publisher Zen United updated the European Persona 4 Arena Facebook page with a message to fans regarding the game’s release. Due to “a number of issues surrounding development and subsequent release,” they still cannot offer a concrete date for those awaiting Atlus and Arc System Works’ fighter in those regions. Whether this means that the rumored September 7th release date will be missed remains to be seen. We’ll be sure to keep you updated as more information becomes available.

We’ve included the entire message below for you to check out.

Good Morning Everyone,

With so much speculation going around with regards to the release date and status of the EU version, we thought it best to address this on here.

There are currently a number of issues surrounding development and subsequent release of Persona 4 Arena in Europe. As we are not directly involved in the development process for P4A, these are elements which are beyond our control.

We are however, doing everything we can to help resolve this, so that we can get the game into stores and, crucially, into your hands as quickly as possible.

We do understand your frustration and a need for a concrete release date, however, until we can ascertain exactly what that release period will be we are hesitant to do so. We would rather have all the facts about release to hand, and all issues be resolved, before making such an announcement.

Please be assured that as soon as WE know what the release date will be, YOU will be the first to know.

Any dates you see online are purely speculation. The first announcement of a release date will happen on the Persona Europe FB page and the Persona.4 FB page. We will then notify our contacts in the main Fighting Game Communities around Europe. If you have not seen a confirmed release date on this page, then it is best taken as a rumour.

Please also be aware, any events that are taking place around Europe will not disrupt the process of releasing them game. Given that these issues have arisen, the team here are making a concerted effort to support the community by having payable builds at your events while you await release. I know many of you are eager to play P4A, and we will facilitate that as best we can in the interim.

Josh and Paul are in London today for Astral Heat in Gamerbase and will be more than happy to answer your questions as best they can.

Likewise, I (Geraint – some of you here know me I’m sure!) will be at i46 in Telford on Friday and Saturday, and will be happy to talk, as always – and hopefully enjoy a few games together.

As ever, your patience and understanding is appreciated.

Source: Persona Europe via Siliconera

acidthorn

I never got it. Why is it so hard to port a game from NTSC to PAL. Can someone explain to me?
- http://www.facebook.com/ciaran.plunkett Ciaran Plunkett
  
  NTSC has either 1 language (Japanese) or 1-3 (US English, then French/Spanish).
  PAL has 5 main main languages (UK English, French, German, Spanish & Italian), and then (sometimes) Scandinavian languages (Danish, Dutch, Swedish, Norwegian), Eastern European (e.g. Polish, Ukrainian), and others too. Each language means 1-3 extra testers/translators & more time needed for testing.
  - Fuzzy Bunny
    
    Framerate still different in PAL vs. NTSC, or is that no longer a thing?
    - http://twitter.com/Zanetsu Simon Perman
      
      I believe now with HD-TVs that that is no longer the case. Most LCD/Plasma should be at least 60Hz.
      - spectaa
        
        The problem being, they make the game for CRT screens too. So I assume that issue is not as obsolete as it should be. But I have no idea what the problem is.
      - http://twitter.com/CherylCMarrero Cheryl C. Marrero
        
        It’s going to make a great Christmas present. http://HoursEnjoyMoneys.blogspot.com
      - http://twitter.com/Araceliwaa Araceliwaa
        
        Gladys explained I’m stunned that people able to profit $6795 in four weeks on the network. did you look this(Click on menu Home)
      - http://twitter.com/Araceliwaa Araceliwaa
        
        …..
        goo.gl/CNRXE
      - http://twitter.com/ConniePetty8 Connie Petty
        
        It’s going to make a great Christmas present. http://Millionaire4Project.blogspot.com
    - http://twitter.com/AladarCZ John Doe
      
      Framerate? No, I’m pretty sure it’s just the frequency, 50Hz vs 60Hz.
      - Nybb
        
        Yeah, the frequency of the frames displayed. PAL runs at 50 non-interlaced fps, while NTSC uses 30 interlaced fps, which looks like 60fps. But yeah people have been making games for PAL for decades so I don’t think this is what the problem is.
  - http://www.facebook.com/lucas.turner.167 Lucas Turner
    
    Yeah but then they said during a Live Stream recently that the PAL Version would ship with only English to get it out faster. So with that in mind, they cannot really use that as an excuse, so what is the real reason for the hold up?
    - http://www.facebook.com/Rhastago Nir Elimelech
      
      Patashnik: Basically, any game has to be changed to match specific european requirements. PEGI, Parental lock etc. It then has to go through the same submission process with platform holders – so, basically, even though the game has passed in JP and US, we still have to go though the same procedure with the EU
  - Anton N
    
    Pretty much nothing is ever translated to scandinavian languages(dutch isn’t scandinavian btw), except childrens games.
MasterChibi

Good game.
Bad business practice?

:S
http://www.facebook.com/Rhastago Nir Elimelech

FFS WHAT’S TAKING IT SO LONG, IT’S IN THE SAME LANGUAGE AND THERE’S VIRTUALLY NOTHING TO CHANGE GAAAAH.
http://twitter.com/EDarkness Prince E. Darkness

It’s going to make a great Christmas present.
- http://www.facebook.com/Rhastago Nir Elimelech
- http://www.facebook.com/lucas.turner.167 Lucas Turner
  
  That’s… being ambitious at this point. You have to remember that these are the same people who made it so we had to wait 10 Months just to receive the first Blazblue Game (which by then, Continuum Shift had already been announced and was well into development). It would not surprise me in the least if this would end up as a 2013 Title. It sucks I know, especially since I love the Persona Series, and was really looking forward to playing this.
  
  But this added to the Region Locking so that we can’t even import it basically allowed me to conclude that anything AcSys/ZenUnited related is not worth investing money into. It’s clear that they do not give a rats ass about the European Market and I will show them that my disposable income does not care either.
  - Ashilyn
    
    Don’t blame ArcSys or Zen United. They have nothing to do with the region locking. It’s something Atlus Japan’s parent company demanded, and it has nothing to do with the EU market and everything to do with reverse importing due to the yen vs. the dollar at the moment. If you’re going to be mad about this, at least find the right reasons to be mad instead of inventing them.
    - http://www.facebook.com/lucas.turner.167 Lucas Turner
      
      I know the Region Locking is more to do with Atlus Japan. But it still doesn’t change the fact that I won’t be buying anything from AcSys/ZenUnited anymore. The Region Locking thing, whilst not their fault, doesn’t really help their case any when it comes to asking people to “be patient and wait”. Those that would have been able to import and be happy in this situation are now not bothering with the game at all.
      - Ashilyn
        
        Except you can’t speak for everyone like that. There’s still a lot of EU people really looking forward to the game. And you’d rather do future harm to a company that isn’t even to blame and is simply carrying out the orders of a publisher rather than the company actually at fault? That’s pretty fucked up.
      - http://www.facebook.com/lucas.turner.167 Lucas Turner
        
        Of course I can’t. It’s impossible to speak for everyone. I can only speak of the people that I know. And so far, everyone I know is not bothering because of the fact there’s been delays with no reasoning behind them other than “it just is”, and the fact that region locking is disallowing them a chance to import while their interest in the game is still alive and well.
        
        But either way, what am I supposed to do? I’ve already let this slide with pretty much every other game that they’ve been responsible for (Blazblue, Arcana Heart, Catherine). Lessons simply have not been learned in spite of falling for the same localization trap every single time. And I feel the only way any kind of message is going to be put across now is if I just not bother buying the game and support their business unless things improve. If loss of sales won’t solve the problem, then nothing will, and they’ll be doomed to just fizzle out. I don’t like doing it, because I like the games they put out, but at the same time I don’t want to be kept waiting and being disappointed.
      - Castigation
        
        Apologetics keep apologizing…
      - http://www.facebook.com/people/Zarathos-No-Daimaōh/586040793 Zarathos No Daimaōh
        
        How are they not to blame ?
        
        The region locking isnt their fault ok . But the rest IS .
        
        Would they be doing their job properly their games wouldnt have such huge delays and region locking wouldnt be a big issue here .
        
        I can’t praise them , when they ship a fighting game slower than rpgs . I know , i know P4A and blazblue got lots of voice over and text … but no way as much as the usual jrpgs that get pumped out by outfits as small as them .
        
        Hell Rising Star would have released the game already , so screw Zen united
    - RollenceElloydChiusinco
      
      If there’s a pattern, it reflects a problem in the people and the processes.
      
      Failing to deliver one game in time is an unfortunate accident that can be easily forgiven.
      
      Failing to deliver games consistently is enough evidence to (at the very least) bring up claims of negligence on the part of the developer.
      
      If they truly listen to their customers (which I believe they do), i think this is a good forum for them to listen to a very real concern. Fighting games are time-relevant, so the value of their asset declines over time. Releasing product at the very end of the game’s community timeline would be heavily detrimental to the FGC’s interest in the game to begin with.
kupo_kun

wow are you serious? europe always gets screwed…
cloudymusic

Uh-oh. Condolences to European players.
- Jotamide
  
  Game’s so good I feel bad for them.
http://twitter.com/Pandaboy01 Panda

I wonder what the issues could be. I’m really looking forward to the games release and am disappointed that it is being put back again, but it is out of our control and understand that they cannot release the game with “issues”. guess i just have to be patient with the rest of europe
KubikiriTurkojin

nothing but bs, the smart gamer will avoid this game just to make a point that we dont want region locked games.
- Ashilyn
  
  Exept plenty of games (on the 360) are still region locked, and it’s not like region locking is a new thing. A smart gamer will find intelligent ways to make their thoughts known to the publisher, not boycott the fucking game (which never works, and when it does, just hurts te game/series, not the business practices behind it).
  - http://www.facebook.com/lucas.turner.167 Lucas Turner
    
    No offense but kind words only get you so far. We’ve had to put up with 6 Month+ delays for likes of Blazblue and Cathrine, and we expressed out concerns about that, and now we just get a bigger slap in the face via Region Locking. If they had just left the PS3 Region Free thing alone, I can guarantee, this situation would not have been as bad as it is. But just how much of this sort of thing can you take before you say “Enough is enough” and really show just how frustrated you are by their business?
    - Ashilyn
      
      I never said anything about kind words. But boycotting the game just hurts the game. It’s not going to change the business practice. Not to mention that P4A is probably an isolated case due to paranoia from the publisher and the series’ intense popularity in Japan and America. The Persona 4 anime blu-rays don’t even have the JP voice track in the American release for the same reason. People boycotting that won’t change that, it’ll just get the publisher to not bother the releasing the rest of the series because it’s sales sucked.
      
      Boycotting doesn’t do shit. People, for some reason, think it does. But in the modern world and economy, all it does is hurt the product you’re trying to prove a point with in ways that aren’t intended by the boycott. And again I say, an intelligent gamer will not go this course, and instead find other ways to make their displeasure known, because an intelligent gamer know that by boycotting the game, they are depriving themselves of sn otherwise good product, and hurting it in a way not relevant to the issue at hand. Plus most people who “boycott’ cave in a month anyway.
      
      Look at SFxT. Everyone and their brother said they were going to boycott it. That didn’t happen, a good portion of those people still went out and bought it. But after giving Capcom an earful on their thoughts about the game and the on disc DLC, they’ve tried (poorly, but at least they’ve tried) to make it better. Whereas if everyone HAD boycotted it, they’d continue not giving a shit and written the game off as having poor sales.
      - http://www.facebook.com/lucas.turner.167 Lucas Turner
        
        Then what exactly are we meant to do? From what you’re saying it seems as if we have no choice but to let them continue to screw us over, but at the same time not boycotting the game, because it wouldn’t really change anything. So if voting with our wallets, the most powerful declaration, is out of the question. Then what might I ask is the best way to get them to pull their fingers out their ears and actually bring home the goods?
      - http://twitter.com/AladarCZ John Doe
        
        >
        The Persona 4 anime blu-rays don’t even have the JP voice track in the American release for the same reason. People boycotting that won’t change that, it’ll just get the publisher to not bother the releasing the rest of the series because it’s sales sucked.
        
        Uh. Yes it will. People not being interested enough in forever delayed USA anime releases was what prompted the creation of “legit” CR, which in turn prompted other people to go the same way, which brought you P4 anime on simulcast.
      - http://www.facebook.com/people/Zarathos-No-Daimaōh/586040793 Zarathos No Daimaōh
        
        Actually a good portion of those people DID boycott the game , and it sold way lower than expected , along with many resales as used games .
        
        It did send a message to Capcom wich in turn is scrambling to make the game better for everyone .
        
        What you propose , or rather the lack of proposal , does nothing for the matter at hands , onyl validate such behavior and got nothing to do with being a “smarter gamer” .
        
        Hell you keep repeating a “smart gamer” will find a way , but there are only a few options that got nothing to do with wits :
        
        - Buying a us/japanese console with the game . That’s not smart that’s just having cash to burn .
        
        - Cracking a console and giving up on online gaming .
        
        - Waiting like everyone else
  - KubikiriTurkojin
    
    yeah a smart gamer does exactly what you say, they should, youre obviously the epitome and evolution of the smart gamer. shit, you must be the smartest gamer out there. i bet companies would rejoice if their target audience consisted of others just as smart as youhoohoo.
  - Los Illuminados
    
    i like your not so kind words.
- spectaa
  
  Sounds more like a tantrum than a boycott.
  - KubikiriTurkojin
    
    yeah man im raging so hard right now, or not, dumbass.
    
    in similar fashion i also didnt buy sxt, because i basically boycot bs. same way ive boycotted sf4 series outfits. its really not that hard to understand unless your really retarded.
    
    besides companies wouldnt be bitchslapping the consumers with their dicks if some of you guys didnt give your asses up so easily, but no, people really like to say take my moneys, rape my ass. preasuh.
VisualData

People joke game will be dead by the time it reaches Europe but I think the opposite.It will revive the scene over there when they get it.
- http://www.facebook.com/lucas.turner.167 Lucas Turner
  
  I’d like to be optimistic and say this could be the case, but the backlash this has received and the loss of interest increasing rapidly, I think the people who will eventually buy this game will be shockingly low.
  - Terry Barcelona
    
    I have to say, the window where I was interested and intending to buy the game has, in all likelihood, already passed. I can’t imagine this hasn’t hurt sales…
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Zarathos-No-Daimaōh/586040793 Zarathos No Daimaōh
  
  Persona is a more popular franchise , but what you say aint exactly what we’ve seen with Blazblue , a similar case (minus the lock) . By the time the eu version was out , interest was dead for many , except those that could at least import it
- RollenceElloydChiusinco
  
  What would be better than “reviving” a dead scene would be “keeping it alive in the first place”.
http://twitter.com/LukeJJW Ryan

I want to buy the game, but I also don’t want to encourage them to fuck me. Blazblue was a year late and Catherine was 6 months late…
http://twitter.com/hammermountain ベースの神

saw this coming / 10
awdoran

European games tend to have multiple language/voice options that all take time to implement. Sucks if you’re English and you don’t care for them, but you still have to wait
- http://www.facebook.com/Rhastago Nir Elimelech
  
  I blame the French.
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Zarathos-No-Daimaōh/586040793 Zarathos No Daimaōh
    
    Zen united wasnt even including french or italian in their previous Bazblue releases , so nope ;p
http://twitter.com/AladarCZ John Doe

Dead on arrival, anyone?:)
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Ian-McMillan/100003757326579 Timothy Ian McMillan
  
  not possible when it’s one of the biggest tournament games in Japan and is gaining an increased following in the US.
  - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1637067517 Markus Clark
    
    Dead on arrival, because GG releases on PSN and XBLA in October.
    - http://twitter.com/HooliganCombo James Reilly
      
      GG is most likely gonna have the same fate as 3S OE. The game is not a sequel and the R Patch is not gonna happen for console release right away. It will last a few weeks which you can’t compare to a brand new game that have broader appeals
FLStyle

I wish game developers would just separate their UK release from the rest of Europe. Hell I’ll take it in American English if it means the UK release is the same as the USA release. This bullshit has gone on too long.
- Anton N
  
  Why just UK, there’s only like four countries that require special needs. Nordic countries and eastern europe etc is also playing the english versions of games.
  - FLStyle
    
    What?! That makes things even worse! Fuck Europe, let’s all split up and go our separate ways.
http://twitter.com/BreakerAU James Skinner

Effects us australians too, FML.
akaisuisei

Step your game up, Europe.
- http://www.facebook.com/lucas.turner.167 Lucas Turner
  
  We would… if we had the game!
Satsui

Absolute nonsense. They really ought to just release the ‘American’ version in the UK seeing as, y’know, we have the same fucking language (and don’t lecture me on minor differences between American and British English). But no, that would make too much sense.
- Terry Barcelona
  
  ‘American English’ and ‘English’, you mean…
http://twitter.com/lchipoo Ichipoo

And yet Europe cares enough to get Naruto games released more or less earlier or on time. =
- spectaa
  
  Are you guys retarded or something?
  - http://twitter.com/lchipoo Ichipoo
    
    Who Europe? XD
S. Hammadi Moulki

Now I won’t buy this crap game anymore, Tekken tag 2 is coming and P4A will be forgotten.
- http://www.facebook.com/Arumatsu Juan De La Cruz
  
  I find it funny, so many people keep saying this yet both SF4 and MvC3 are still alive along with other games that we said should of been forgotten.
  
  I’ll laugh my head off, if P4A outlasts TT2, and I will quote you all day.
  
  The fact is, this is a Persona game and it wont be forgotten just because of what it is. Just like how Street Fighter wont die because of what it is.
  - http://www.facebook.com/lucas.turner.167 Lucas Turner
    
    But then again, feel free to correct me on this, but none of the Capcom games like SFV or MVC3 pulled off frankly stupid delay stunts comparable to every Blazblue Game, AH3 and Catherine as far as Europe goes? This isn’t just about a game being crap. It’s about a company or companies screwing over Europe constantly and this game is just the latest addition to a growing list of games that AcSys/ZenUnited have been behind in some way.
    - spectaa
      
      Capcom pulled out SFXT.
      Do I need to remind you the shit storm that was SFXT? The DLC, the inifinites, the game breaking glitches? If you like that shit, by all means, boycott P4A/arcsys and buy the new capcom as soon as possible. If you won’t boycott capcom because you like their games, then just stop with this boycott bullshit. IMO, the only reason you guys are still talking boycott is because you never planed to play P4A to begin with.
      - http://www.facebook.com/lucas.turner.167 Lucas Turner
        
        Don’t lump me in with the rest of the boycotters. I actually do want to play this game since I absolutely love the Persona 4 Universe. Like I said, this boycott has NOTHING to do with the game itself, it’s because of the lousy handling of the EU Release that we have seen time and time again with the likes of Blazblue and Cathrine.
        
        I have pass this off for way to long, and they have shown they have no intent on learning from the mistakes they’ve made when it comes to efficiently localizing the game, therefore I will not give them my money. If others want to follow suit then fine. I’m not calling for a boycott, I never was, I am merely expressing why it is that I will not be investing my money in this.
      - http://www.facebook.com/Arumatsu Juan De La Cruz
        
        Yet, you’ll invest in the next capcom game or Namco game that will do the same thing to Europe like every other game company out there…….
        
        That’s called Hypocrisy..
        
        The reason why every company has issues with Europe is because of each of the European country Laws. Expample is France, where it’s against the law over there for any character to look below a certain age and have skimpy clothing.
        
        Other countries have similar laws or more blantantly harsher laws.
        
        These laws prevent alot of companies to be able to localize a game in the region without heavyly modifing the game. Which is time consuming and costly if you have to modify huge portions of the game.
        
        But you probably didn’t know that.
        
        You just want to hop on the bandwagon and be cool.
      - http://www.facebook.com/lucas.turner.167 Lucas Turner
        
        Ok Juan. Since you insist on not only assuming what I buy and what I don’t buy, but also making snide remarks, I will make this simple for you.
        
        Marvel vs Capcom 3: Released in Japan February 17th. Released in the NA Februray 15th. Released in Europe Februrary 18th. That’s a 3 day gap between release dates. Keep in mind all dates are in 2011.
        
        Super Street Fighter 4: Released in Japan April 28th. North America April 27th. Europe April 30th. Keep in mind all dates are in 2010.
        
        Street Fighter X Tekken: Japan March 8th. North America March 6th. Europe March 9th.
        
        See the pattern? Each of these three games haven’t had the release date between all the regions exceed a week. Now let’s throw in a few AcSys games into the mix.
        
        Blazblue Calamity Trigger: Japan June 25th 2009. North America June 30th 2009. EU APRIL 2ND 2010 (Nearly one year delay).
        
        Blazblue Continuum Shift: Japan July 1st. North America July 27th. Europe December 3rd. All these dates are in 2010.
        
        Arcana Heart 3: Japan January 13th. North America April 19th. Europe August 19th. All dates are in 2011.
        
        So yeah, not only are there weeks between even Japan and NA. But there’s an even bigger gap at times between the NA and EU.
        
        So when you see this put before you. You have to wonder, just what is going on with the localization teams here? Why is it Capcom can keep the gaps between so tight and yet AcSys release date gaps are looser than Madonna crotch?
      - http://www.facebook.com/people/Zarathos-No-Daimaōh/586040793 Zarathos No Daimaōh
        
        Yeah not making much sense here . What has Capcom and Namco pulled that this gen , their games release just fine and in timely fashion in europe .
        
        ” Expample is France, where it’s against the law over there for any
        character to look below a certain age and have skimpy clothing.”
        
        You are pulling crap from Lalaland here … i’m french and so are others and we’ve never seen what you describe .
        
        As a matter of fact i just saw arcana hearts 3 in a french store this morning , on both ps3 and 360 . And we’ve most likely never had a modified game because sex or violence .
      - Castigation
        
        Juan pulling stuff out his ass now. The reason things take time when it comes to EU releases is because there are laws in certain countries that require you to provide manuals in the local language. Censorship rules have very little inpact on the releases. Germany usually has it worst but the issue is always violence not sex.
        
        Please provide a list of localized games in Europe that’s undergone “heavy modifing” before getting released.
        
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  - RollenceElloydChiusinco
    
    I will personally take you up on the challenge in keeping Tag 2 alive longer than P4A.
    
    My friends and I still get together to play Tekken 6, if not as often as before.
  - S. Hammadi Moulki
    
    P4A will be forgotten for me, and P4A won’t outlast TT2.
    
    TT2 will definately outsell P4A.
    This game is crammed in content, more then any Fighting game ever, TT2 will set a new line for content in Fighting games since MK9.
- http://twitter.com/HooliganCombo James Reilly
  
  I know right? A 3d and 2d fighter would try to compete with each other. Oh..wait
Richard Hadley

I agree with what Lucas Turner had to say about the stupidly long delays and when it does come out in the EU and I am talking about all the games that Zen United/PQube publish in the EU we don’t even get the full detaills why it got delayed in the first place and as Lucas explained it, it wouldnt be that bad if the game itself wasn’t region locked like the past Arc System Works games bearing in mind I am talking about the PS3 owners not the 360 but all I can say is if the date is pushed back any futher then September 7th then screw Zen United/PQube becuase this is the last straw with them and it should be the fans who put them back in there places. I know Capcom is like a leech for getting people to pay them more money to get content already on the disc but at least we actually see the light of day when there games are released over in the EU again Capcom STOP!!!??? with the bad business practices.

LET OUR VOICES BE HEARD!!!!????
- Richard Hadley
  
  Considering I don’t Know…….Zen United/PQube delayed all of there games so far I think I have a good excuse to not to buy it from them and dew to the fact the company is only surviving becuase of people like you Juan De La Cruz I quote “who like to lie on there backs and let Zen United/PQube give you another pounding up the rear because the game isn’t ready and we have to add several other languages to accommodate people in the EU it just ruins it for everyone else I just wish one day they stop putting multiple languages in or grow a backbone and release a game just in English like the US do an have a sperate release from the EU as another user pointed out on shoryuken. TBH Juan I would buy the game you obviously didn’t read the fact that I posted in my comment Arc System games have never been region locked up until now. I would rather have my cash go directly to Arc or Aksys and not support the EU market thats what we do as importers and before you even put “So you rather buy it cheaper or reverse importing” my answer no and in the long run its more expenese anyway to import items from Japan to the U.K last time I ended up paying another 15£ on top of 48£ I spent on importing Ninja Gaiden for my PS Vita because of import dutie and thats what you call dedication to the developer/company even If you pay outright silly money for it just to get it, so go and preach your nonsense to someone else.
http://www.facebook.com/Arumatsu Juan De La Cruz

@facebook-736052378:disqus

Really, your going to pull the date card. You really want me to start listing the insane amount of companies that have a huge gap between game version? Really?

Your sounding more and more of a hypocrite than anything else.

and yes I do persume what you buy, cause most, if not all of the FGC bought SF4 and Marvel3 on the first day, and the same went with SSF4 – AE.

The company is not obligated to do didly squat for you, they’re not obligated to release it in europe. They’re doing it cause they think it would give them a profit for not only the company that is localizing it and but also ArcSys.

Reading your post, I persume you didn’t read my post completely, cause it’s obvious that you missed the section about the different laws of each country in Europe creating delays.

and straight up your a fool for using SF as a comparison. Cause one thing you should know about SF, – is there any character in that game that looks underage or is a loli???

Tell me?

No, then what the hell you blabbing about.

Animu fighters, as many in the FGC like call them, have characters that look underage and/or are Lolis or are pretty much naked. Which is against the law in FRANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and many other european nation.

You know how much hoops they have to go through to be able to release BB over there in the first place. Cause you can’t tell me the game doesn’t have Lolis or pretty much naked girls in it. Ex Rachel, Mu-12

France threw 2 Mangakas in jail for they’re respective mangas, cause it had a fan service chapter.

But nooooooooo, your going to disregard all of that, cause straight up, you don’t want to buy the game in the first place.

So don’t use the delay as an excuse for not buying the game.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Zarathos-No-Daimaōh/586040793 Zarathos No Daimaōh
  
  When has Capcom and Namco pulled that this gen ? Their games release just fine and in timely fashion in europe .
  
  Even King of fighters is released just fine . Even better , KOF actually had a few translation like french available on even the us version , without delaying the projects .
  
  So where do you get hypocrisy here ? Your example wasnt good but you can’t just admit it .
  
  ” Example is France, where it’s against the law over there for any
  character to look below a certain age and have skimpy clothing.”
  
  You are pulling crap from Lalaland here … i’m french and so are others and we’ve never seen what you describe .
  
  As a matter of fact i just saw arcana hearts 3 in a french store this morning , on both ps3 and 360 . And we’ve most likely never had a modified game because sex or violence .
  
  There are only laws against display of pornographia involving minors and kids , even virtual, and those games wouldnt even fit the criteria for it .
  - http://www.facebook.com/Arumatsu Juan De La Cruz
    
    Nobody read shit on this forum, and if you don’t believe me about Frances Laws, look it up yourself dimwit.
    
    Why do you think so many animes and Mangas don’t show up in France?? hmmmmm
    
    Your the one who doesn’t know crap.
    
    Unlike many in this community, I have lived in France. I have also studied foreign law.
    
    But I guess you don’t want to look it up. If you reply again, I’ll be ready with a source with French law and many other european nation laws about media ready to put you in your place.
    
    Your going to use AH3, you haven’t even compared the three versions of the game have you? You have no idea what was changed in that game to suit that specific region. That’s why it called culturization, but noooooo, you know nothing of that.
    
    Sigh, I’m done arguing with people who just want to use a delay as an excuse to not buy a game.
    - http://www.facebook.com/people/Zarathos-No-Daimaōh/586040793 Zarathos No Daimaōh
      
      Rofl wich many mangas and animes have you seen barred from france and
      for those reasons ? How about a list instead of sprouting crap
      
      And i’m buying the game you’re the one using a silly excuse to rant on .
      
      “Unlike many in this community, I have lived in France.”
      
      Oh yeah , i’m sharing that one around to people like us actually living there , especially a few lawyers . it will be a riot
    - http://www.facebook.com/people/Zarathos-No-Daimaōh/586040793 Zarathos No Daimaōh
      
      Rofl wich many mangas and animes have you seen barred from france and
      for those reasons ? How about a list instead of sprouting crap
      
      And i’m buying the game you’re the one using a silly excuse to rant on .
      
      “Unlike many in this community, I have lived in France.”
      
      Oh yeah , i’m sharing that one around to people like us actually living there , especially a few lawyers . it will be a riot
    - Speedo Redempteur
      
      “Why do you think so many animes and Mangas don’t show up in France?? hmmmmm”
      France is the biggest market of manga in europe …
      
      Almost everything get localised ..
      
      In france , we have the japan expo , where god-know-the numbers of mangaka comes each year ( without any kind of problems ) during 4 days to talk and discuss with their fans. it’s a yearly event and it’s so big that companies, like namco bandai are annoncing games localisations in there.
      
      Furthermore i possess Arcana hearts 1,2,3 and for the third game i got the us digital version on psn and i have the ZEn united collector edition ( EU ) too ..( i also possess the Jpn version of AH2 and the us version of AH2 ) so come at me with the changes ..i’ll check them
      
      The number of changes ? well i haven’t see then.
      fell free to point me the changes made , i’ll start up both copies and see by myself
    - Speedo Redempteur
      
      “Why do you think so many animes and Mangas don’t show up in France?? hmmmmm”
      France is the biggest market of manga in europe …
      
      Almost everything get localised ..
      
      In france , we have the japan expo , where god-know-the numbers of mangaka comes each year ( without any kind of problems ) during 4 days to talk and discuss with their fans. it’s a yearly event and it’s so big that companies, like namco bandai are annoncing games localisations in there.
      
      Furthermore i possess Arcana hearts 1,2,3 and for the third game i got the us digital version on psn and i have the ZEn united collector edition ( EU ) too ..( i also possess the Jpn version of AH2 and the us version of AH2 ) so come at me with the changes ..i’ll check them
      
      The number of changes ? well i haven’t see then.
      fell free to point me the changes made , i’ll start up both copies and see by myself
    - RollenceElloydChiusinco
      
      Did you stop arguing because you reached an impasse, or because it seems like your evidence has been overturned by others?
      
      I’m very curious to hear your side, you see – because you do seem very passionate about your point (which means that you believe there is truth in it and it is worth defending). Help build a meaningful debate – you musn’t enter arguments with the intention of finding out _who_ is right, but rather, _what_ is right.
  - http://www.facebook.com/Arumatsu Juan De La Cruz
    
    Nobody read shit on this forum, and if you don’t believe me about Frances Laws, look it up yourself dimwit.
    
    Why do you think so many animes and Mangas don’t show up in France?? hmmmmm
    
    Your the one who doesn’t know crap.
    
    Unlike many in this community, I have lived in France. I have also studied foreign law.
    
    But I guess you don’t want to look it up. If you reply again, I’ll be ready with a source with French law and many other european nation laws about media ready to put you in your place.
    
    Your going to use AH3, you haven’t even compared the three versions of the game have you? You have no idea what was changed in that game to suit that specific region. That’s why it called culturization, but noooooo, you know nothing of that.
    
    Sigh, I’m done arguing with people who just want to use a delay as an excuse to not buy a game.
- http://www.facebook.com/lucas.turner.167 Lucas Turner
  
  If you assume that I have bought into games like SFIV and it’s sequels or MVC3, then i’m sorry to say that you are gravely mistaken, but I have not bought those games at all.
  
  Also, in this games case, there isn’t really anything in the way of “Loli Near-Nakedness” that you describe. Furthermore, that whole thing about France, there is also a guy above you who states otherwise. So, between the two, who am I meant to believe? No one has come up with hard concrete facts to back up the claim either way, so until someone does, I cannot say if countries like France are well and truly the cause of this games delay.
  
  And again, you assume (in spite of me saying otherwise), that I never wanted to buy the game to begin with. Again, I was a huge fan of Persona 4 and furthermore love Guilty Gear-style games, so I really did want this game. However I am probably not going to anymore, not because of the delay of this one game specifically, but because the company(ies) in question have proven on several occasions that they are not reliable when it comes to EU Releases. It took them nearly a year just to get the first Blazblue game, for many people, that would have set of warning signs already. But, because I love the games they eventually release, I kept willing to bypass that fact hoping that it would not happen. But it would then happen time and time again. I have to draw the line somewhere, right? And now I am speaking with my wallet and saying “If you continue to treat EU releases in this manner, and fall the same traps you fell into with nearly every other release you’ve made so far, then I will not give you my business and will take my money elsewhere until you do”.
  
  I do not know why you keep making all these accusations, nor do I know why you have to speak so snidely when I am only expressing my thoughts and opinions on the matter, but if it helps you sleep at night then so be it.
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Zarathos-No-Daimaōh/586040793 Zarathos No Daimaōh
    
    I wont bother going further . Just waiting for his list of banned material and IF for the reasons he states .
    
    There actually a law against pedophilia , even virtual , but nowhere close to be applied , at least for now , as he pretends .
    
    Thousands of manga and animes with naked teenagers barely censored and only targeted to the proper public can safely attest of that .
    
    This is a country where guys like Milo Manara are called artist rather than ero artist … and even he got a few racy stuff involving loli as far back as the early 90s
    
    Or even made the mistake of showing Hokuten no Ken in kid show segments , early mornings , uncensored for a while
    
    EDIT : some words seems flagged …
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Zarathos-No-Daimaōh/586040793 Zarathos No Daimaōh
    
    I wont bother going further . Just waiting for his list of banned material and IF for the reasons he states .
    
    There actually a law against pedophilia , even virtual , but nowhere close to be applied , at least for now , as he pretends .
    
    Thousands of manga and animes with naked teenagers barely censored and only targeted to the proper public can safely attest of that .
    
    This is a country where guys like Milo Manara are called artist rather than ero artist … and even he got a few racy stuff involving loli as far back as the early 90s
    
    Or even made the mistake of showing Hokuten no Ken in kid show segments , early mornings , uncensored for a while
    
    EDIT : some words seems flagged …
- http://www.facebook.com/lucas.turner.167 Lucas Turner
  
  If you assume that I have bought into games like SFIV and it’s sequels or MVC3, then i’m sorry to say that you are gravely mistaken, but I have not bought those games at all.
  
  Also, in this games case, there isn’t really anything in the way of “Loli Near-Nakedness” that you describe. Furthermore, that whole thing about France, there is also a guy above you who states otherwise. So, between the two, who am I meant to believe? No one has come up with hard concrete facts to back up the claim either way, so until someone does, I cannot say if countries like France are well and truly the cause of this games delay.
  
  And again, you assume (in spite of me saying otherwise), that I never wanted to buy the game to begin with. Again, I was a huge fan of Persona 4 and furthermore love Guilty Gear-style games, so I really did want this game. However I am probably not going to anymore, not because of the delay of this one game specifically, but because the company(ies) in question have proven on several occasions that they are not reliable when it comes to EU Releases. It took them nearly a year just to get the first Blazblue game, for many people, that would have set of warning signs already. But, because I love the games they eventually release, I kept willing to bypass that fact hoping that it would not happen. But it would then happen time and time again. I have to draw the line somewhere, right? And now I am speaking with my wallet and saying “If you continue to treat EU releases in this manner, and fall the same traps you fell into with nearly every other release you’ve made so far, then I will not give you my business and will take my money elsewhere until you do”.
  
  I do not know why you keep making all these accusations, nor do I know why you have to speak so snidely when I am only expressing my thoughts and opinions on the matter, but if it helps you sleep at night then so be it.
- Speedo Redempteur
  
  i’ll be clear
  “Expample is France, where it’s against the law over there for any
  character to look below a certain age and have skimpy clothing.”
  
  False
  
  “France threw 2 Mangakas in jail for they’re respective mangas, cause it had a fan service chapter.”
  
  False
  
  Don’t bother i’m french and a heavy buyer of manga/anime/games and i follow the news.
  
  I can confirm that those 2 statements are false.
  
  “Animu fighters, as many in the FGC like call them, have characters that
  look underage and/or are Lolis or are pretty much naked. Which is
  against the law in
  FRANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and
  many other european nation.”
  
  i dunno why you talk about france so much ..underages girls exist in many medium and france does have some laws but none of what you’re talking about .. many manga get published Without any kind of censor in france nor delay , as with anime..
  
  again FALSE
  
  “You know how much hoops they have to go through to be able to release BB
  over there in the first place. Cause you can’t tell me the game
  doesn’t have Lolis or pretty much naked girls in it. Ex Rachel, Mu-12″
  
  Remind me where are the naked girls in blazblue again ? because i see none
  Mu-12 ? Are you telling me that there is a law in france preventing a teenage looking girl wearing armor to appear in a fighting game ? Or will you continue to spout nonsense ?
  
  my advice ? stop the delusions because lying isn’t a good thing
  
  In france, we don’t have ( so far ) games that need to be modified because of our laws.
  Loli characters ? ( all the animu crap went into europe without problem)
  Atelier games, agarest games ( uncensored contrary to the us ), arcana hearts…
  and plenty of others .
  Give links or examples of the contrary or shut-up
Bruce Lee

Region locking is retarded, I’m definitely not buying this now. They better not pull this crap on any future releases.
http://twitter.com/HooliganCombo James Reilly

This boycott is cute just like how things went with SfXT that did worse business practices…oh wait
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Zarathos-No-Daimaōh/586040793 Zarathos No Daimaōh
  
  just like how things went with sfxt ? You speak as if the game met some major success in the face of complaints . Yo do realize SFXT completely missed the mark and underperformed , partially for those reasons ? Even if some small franchises would kill for its sales .
J0hnick

There are 2 reasons why this is being held up, and only 1 of them effects 360 owners.

1. Translating the games text into all the other non English European languages. At the very least PAL games are always available in the 5 main languages, English, French, Spanish, German and Italian. At a stretch they may also need to include Swedish, Dutch, Polish, Czech, Finnish, Danish, Estonian, Greek, Hungarian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Romanian and Bulgarian.

2. For people who still play on SDTV’s, the 360 supports PAL60 so no
need for a conversion there, and Microsoft are fine with putting “60hz
only” stickers on the box’s for their games. But none of Sony’s consoles
have ever supported PAL60 so there would need to be a PAL conversion,
which the developer may not be willing to do for such a niche title.

No offense to the non English speaking countries in any of the PAL
regions, but for situations like this there really does need to be a 4th
region for countries in the PAL territories that only speak English
where we basically get the US version repackaged. Countries like the UK,
Australia, New Zealand and even the Republic of Ireland (which despite
having Gaelic as its own language, 99% of the Irish people speak fluent
English, most as their first language).

The only other thing I can think of is if when the game has reached
the majority of its market penetration in Japan, make region free US PS3
and 360 copies for people in Europe to import. I imported the Japanese
version of Blazblue because we had to wait 10 months for it to be
officially released here, at which point Continuum Shift was already
announced and being loke tested Japanese arcades, who the hell was going
to buy the old version when you knew an update was around the corner ?.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Zarathos-No-Daimaōh/586040793 Zarathos No Daimaōh
  
  Again zen united didnt even bother translating Blazblue CSE in most of those language . On ps3 and vita , the game only had text in English, Chinese, japanese and korean with still month delays .
  
  At some point people just gotta understand and believe that part of it is sheer incompetence and mishandling
- http://profile.yahoo.com/KJ5W7GVXA2LJQFYEG2CCGWRFM4 Michel
  
  “1. Translating the games text into all the other non English European
  languages. At the very least PAL games are always available in the 5
  main languages, English, French, Spanish, German and Italian”
  
  Always ? Unfornately, no.
  For recent examples, BBCS Extend, Arcana Heart 3, Virtua Fighter 5 FS were only in English.
  - http://www.facebook.com/lucas.turner.167 Lucas Turner
    
    And, unless I’m mistaken, it has already been said that this game will be no different. I am literally struggling to find a sound reason for this delay. Makes me wonder why they don’t just come out and say WHY it’s delayed rather than being so nebulous about it. Especially if they appreciate the fans and the community as much as they claim.
010283

Well I don’t know about anyone else but for me, I’m buying it pre-owned.
Had the same with dot hack//G.U. which only got a NTSC release so I bought the games for a fraction of the price 2nd hand on ebay and had it imported.
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