Seth Killian Chimes in on Kotaku’s Case for Video Games as an Olympic Sport: “Compared against many, many existing events, fighting games are…a better overall reflection of mental and physical achievement.”

Earlier today, Kotaku’s Stephen Totilo posted an interesting article regarding the possibility that competitive gaming may be just as viable in an Olympic setting as some of the other sports included in the event. The idea of mental exertion being on par with physical exertion actually has a precedent in chess, a “mind sport” that’s been recognized by the International Olympics Committee since 2000. And although it’s never been added to an official Olympic programme, it has the backing of a huge federation of global players, much like the eSports crowd and our very own fighting game community, that want to see it in the spotlight.

Totilo took his idea to a variety of well-known names in the gaming community, including Sean “Day 9″ Plott and Seth Killian, to see if it held water. While they obviously face a number of hurdles, Plott and Killian very much agree that they warrant official recognition for the  physical and mental work players put into improving those skills in their respective arenas.

“In my eyes, there’s no doubt that digital gaming will at some point be part of the Olympics,” top StarCraft player Sean “Day 9″ Plott told me. “Video gaming is a full medium on its own, with developers exploring new mechanics and players forming vibrant communities.”

“There can be no serious question that fighting games are a superior gauge of human competitive excellence compared to, say, the Biathlon,” fighting game expert Seth Killian, formerly of Capcom and now at Sony, told me. “It’s easy to get sidetracked by semantic questions about what is or is not a sport, but compared against many, many existing events, fighting games are more competitive by a thousand times, more nuanced, more egalitarian, and a better overall reflection of mental and physical achievement.”

“Fighting games obviously have a huge mental component,” Killian said, referencing the Street Fighters and Mortal Kombats of the world, “but while a game like chess is almost purely a mental endeavor, nearly every fighting game competition is decided by truly amazing physical execution as well, on par with the kind of technical excellence you see reflected in events like Olympic archery.”

All in all, this is a very interesting read on how athleticism can be defined in a number of very different ways. Counter-points are also offered to the scene’s long-term viability in an Olympics setting as well as how far players will even be able to explore certain games in terms of their technical “density.” The quotes pulled above are only small pieces of the article, so be sure to head over to Kotaku and check out the entire thing.

But, we would also like to hear your thoughts. Do video games warrant a nod from Olympics committee? Do you feel they deserve a spot next to events like archery and the biathlon? Feel free to let your voice be heard in the comments below.

Source: Kotaku

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  • YuriGotBack

    no one wants to see fatass gamers alongside “real” athletes…i think that’s what it comes down to.

    • d3v

      Uhmm… most people in the FGC aren’t that out of shape. In fact, I can count the number of top players who could fit that description on 1 hand.

      • http://twitter.com/VictorYoon_GG victor yoon

        ^ this by a longshot, every korean progamer has physical exercise as part of their everyday schedule.  There are larger people out there, but most champions know that their body and mental health are equally important to winning.  

        • Troy Dalton

           Being thin isn’t being fit. Those pro SC players have prepubescent bodies.

          • e411642

             Lol, are you serious? Sponsored SC players are required to work out to keep up with their mental stamina.

          • http://www.facebook.com/yoshiaki.nakano.752 Yoshiaki Nakano

            Yuuup, skinny fats

          • d3v

            Read the comment above yours.

        • MikeTysonQuotes

          “this by a longshot, every korean progamer has physical exercise as part of their everyday schedule.”

          yeah and? u really think those CYBERATHLETES are more fit than the average amateur boxer, or second string college wrestler?

          those athletes above practice a REAL sport and train their body for years. They have to overcome injuries, starve and dehydrate themselves to make weight, yet the vast majority of them can’t even be an olympic alternate.

          you e-sport supporters are really deluded. you really believe that the #1 sc2 player is as ATHLETIC as Phelps, Park or Sun Yang?

          • http://www.facebook.com/TravisEpic Travis Lynn

            Shooting is an Olympic sport

          • http://www.facebook.com/dugg.gorman Dugg Gorman

            I don’t think anyone said they were AS in shape physically than an olympic athlete…merely that most of the top players do not conform to the stereotypes most often placed on gamers.  

          • MikeTysonQuotes

            Oh, so the cyberathletes aren’t as obese as the rumors say. That’s not reason enough to include video games in the Olympics.

            Even amateur athletes competing in REAL sports at a college meet are more fit than these cyberathletes. It would be a joke if these e-sports cyberathletes make it to the Olympics.

            What next? Olympic medals for the winner of Fifa 2012? E-sports are a sport, just like physical soccer,  amirite?

          • Pironeko

             Table Tennis is an olympic sport.

          • Louis Lam

            Table Tennis players are actually really fit and fast.

          • http://www.facebook.com/nic.duncalf Nic Duncalf

            What a ridiculous argument.

            So games can’t be on the same level because the gamers don’t have the same physical fitness as Phelps or Park?

            Okay we’d better take all shooting, archery and equestrian events off the Olympics. Synchronised swimming and diving better be cut out as well, oh and Fencing (something I personally love), that doesn’t require as much physicality as 100m dash.

            But how much mental aspect is there to the 100m dash? How much execution is involved in the 400m IM?

            Not even close to as much as is needed for absolute top tier eSports. Fighting games especially where you have to execute in specific FRAMES. The combination of Execution, Mental skill and Physical skill together make them easily on par with most Olympic sports.

    • Moribund Cadaver

      9 out of 10 top players who show up at real life fighting game tournaments are these real skinny bastards.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TIC7WNRSMFBSCLF6OR6JQJAAZA sb

      a video game tournament would be the most hype event there not like its the NFL or NBA

      • YuriGotBack

        you have to remember it’s not the FGC watching it, probably 80% of their viewers wouldn’t know what was going on in the matches or what “hype” even is.

    • CrashTestVictim

      Um, while they all have generally “athletic” bodies there’s a TON of variation when it comes to the bodies of olympic competitors.
      http://ninamatsumoto.wordpress.com/2010/12/18/athletic-body-diversity-reference-for-artists/#

      and those are just ones that are considered very physically demanding events.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=698617062 Alejo Gastelum

    dat knowledge

  • http://twitter.com/JoshuaDocks YungDuran

    Meh. The only things that fighters could be argued as being a better Olympic sport than are probably shooting and chess. Probably even equestrian. Everything else, nope

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TIC7WNRSMFBSCLF6OR6JQJAAZA sb

      LMAO DAMN that was funny i hope your not serious

      • http://twitter.com/JoshuaDocks YungDuran

        Your right. Just chess

        • http://twitter.com/WRONGonRED Andrew St. Andrew

          sorry but no. you can’t mash out combos or spam supers to win by fluke in chess.

          • http://twitter.com/JoshuaDocks YungDuran

            Everyone has an opinion. You seem like you like chess because of the brain power and intellect of it. That in my opinion is boring when  compared to Olympic sports.

          • http://twitter.com/WRONGonRED Andrew St. Andrew

            It’s not even that. My point was that there isn’t much of a comeback feature in chess. There is no random Ultras, no X-factors, no playing stupid and winning by sheer luck.

          • Stupid RetardedKids

            …is your fighting game knowledge limited to xbox live? Watch a real match sometime, chump

          • http://twitter.com/WRONGonRED Andrew St. Andrew

            good try, but I stream-monster with the best of em.

          • Goatbot

            Even on xbox live it is pretty rare to win like that.

          • Stupid RetardedKids

            See, you can SAY that, but everyone else here watches streams too, and we know ‘spam supers’ and ‘mashing combos’ never won anyone a major. I definitely did not ‘assume the worst in you’, its like you’re projecting onto me. 

          • Goatbot

            Andrew. You cannot be serious. Have you watched real high level play at all like the finals of EVO? Those people don’t pull random supers and wins out of nowhere. Every move they make has to be well calculated and requires timing, rhythm and dexterity in the hands developed through practice to make perfect excecutions. You cannot win at high levels of
            fighting games but pulling out random things, it doesn’t happen. Maybe at local tournaments and online you can pull that stuff off sometimes but even then it isn’t that often.

            As for peoples assumptions that every top fighting gamer is even slightly overweight, I can name way more top fighters who are in very good physical condition than those who aren’t. There are some people who retain their mental condition well without having great physical condition, but more often than not it has proven that good physical
            conditioning helps keep mental shape alert and responsive.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AFJDBNFMXC3CCRYNSN3V3ZTWZE James

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    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Archer/747006074 Justin Archer

      Your Engrish is horrendous.

      • http://twitter.com/JoshuaDocks YungDuran

        The only time i use correct english  is in my language arts class

        • http://www.facebook.com/nic.duncalf Nic Duncalf

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          What an amazing way to waste time

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matthew-Calvano/100000204302375 Matthew Calvano

    yo esports 

  • ScumItOut

    If equestrian can be an Olympic sport, any video game can be one.

    • http://www.facebook.com/thurl Thurl Bailey Jr

      Although I think riding a horse is stupid, that shit ain’t easy.

      • Darkphyre

        and high level competitive fighting games are?

        • http://twitter.com/JoshuaDocks YungDuran

          Their to different types of difficult

          • Stupid RetardedKids

            you’re the worst troll ever. Blatant logic holes, contradictions, spelling errors. Try to be less obvious next time, wastrel. 

          • http://twitter.com/JoshuaDocks YungDuran

             The only time I use correct english is in my Language Arts class. When im on the net, idgaf

          • Stupid RetardedKids

            Nah, you’re just a troll. 

          • http://twitter.com/JoshuaDocks YungDuran

             Trolls intentionally try to maker people mad and cause butthurt. I wouldn’t say I am the worse troll ever. I am so good at it that I made you mad without even attempting to

          • http://twitter.com/hammermountain Kori F

            i usually don’t care about spelling mistakes but i think i just threw up a little

        • http://www.facebook.com/thurl Thurl Bailey Jr

          Compared to riding a horse…

          Yep.

  • MaikkyWin

    O man can you imagine eSports at the Olympics !

    Sitting at their computers, in glass cases for 40mins to an hour in silence !

    Man that would be hype !

    • http://twitter.com/VictorYoon_GG victor yoon

      yes starcraft and league of legend tournaments are dead silent
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMec5aE5Gm0 

      lol fighting games are behind the curve in commentating by a lot

      • MaikkyWin

        Why’d you link a video of a child’s petting zoo ?

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/6SC7BMYAJZWPFNUIZROE7DR544 Verified Truth Buddy

          this comment is making me laugh out loud at work. hard.

      • http://twitter.com/Mike_Lash Mike Lash

        FGC commentating > SC LoL 
        also not interested in seeing someone build shit for most of the match rather watch chess….

      • Pironeko

         5 bucks you don’t speak that language.

    • Stupid RetardedKids

      Why do you even come here? You don’t look like the kind of guy who could compete in a REAL sport/make friends/get a girl

      • MaikkyWin

        You know since this is kinda a website for videogames and you know these are videogames . I think your username perfectly describes you .

        • Stupid RetardedKids

          Right, its for games, yet here you are, bashing both games, and gamers. My username accurately describes SRK, because of people like you. 

          • MaikkyWin

            Actually I’m just bashing SC2/LoL .

            But its funny because you have to bring in competing in physical / getting girls argument which has nothing to do with a gaming website, just to try sound like you have any shred of intelligence (which you don’t) .

            You sound like one of those people who lose in League of School Children or SnoreCraft 2 and challenge people to fight in real life .

    • http://www.facebook.com/Aaron.Cookie.Monster.Saballo Aaron Scooby Saballo

      I think games have their own place to shine. Pushing for them to be in the Olympics seems like an attempt to “fit in”. I respect the competitive side of video games but I think it is the digital barrier that separates it from physical sports (regardless of physical conditioning). 

      The FGC is a community that made a huge complaint about smash brothers brawl due to it’s randomized tripping mechanic, arguing that uncontrollable events are unfair and prevent the true demonstration of skill. This is not the mindset of an athlete. Ever. 

      The article mentions the possibility of finite outcomes and this is what it meant by it. Fighting game players expect a strict set of rules and mechanics to work the same every time. I don’t mean that their spacing and execution should earn them a victory, but if their character didn’t jump high enough or their roundhouse button didn’t work suddenly, a complaint would take place. This stuff happens in physical sports all the time, where a cut wont let you see, the flooring becomes slippery, or the wind direction screws up your throw. This is something that athletes take into account and they will themselves thru it if they want to win.

      Evo is doing a great job so far guys, stay focused.

    • http://www.facebook.com/nic.duncalf Nic Duncalf

      Always fun watching someone prove they don’t know what they’re talking about…

      Sitting in glass cases in silence hah, geez. Less than 10sec of research would debunk that…

  • NORCALsubtL

    but archery doesn’t get outdated and pushed out by archery’s sequel, the flaming caber toss or some shit.

    • http://twitter.com/CGRonin Jay

      That logic is probably the best I’ve seen for why video games don’t go too well with the idea of the Olympics. Games are regularly succeeded or updated. I tink it’s a nice though, but the logistics of it all just doesn’t hold well imo.

      • EzequielAlvarez

        SSF2T

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alex-Ta/1045210226 Alex Ta

    …im all for competitive gaming, mainly the fgc and starcraft. As far as olympic sports, no. Olympic sports are almost completely based on the conditioning, strength, and flexibility of the body. Yes there are competitions (mainly team sports) that involve mental/strategic skills and prowess, but it’s all about the body and that body strength. Video games require extensive execution, but not the whole body to be refined overall.

    • http://twitter.com/JoshuaDocks YungDuran

      This. The FGC has EVO

    • http://twitter.com/Dectilon Dectilon

      There are some really really stupid sports in the olympic games that take little to no physical prowess. That said, I wouldn’t want fighting games to be added to them :(

  • http://www.facebook.com/rliberalquino Rafael Liberalquino

    A while ago Seth Killian said something that sounded like complex inputs where the stupidiest part of fighting games.
    Now he praises players’ dexterity…
    I am not implying that he contradicted himself, but I thought he wanted to fighting games to the be the closest possible to a “purely mental endeavour”.

    • RollenceElloydChiusinco

      Both points, at the hands of good fighitng game developers, can co-exist without much problems.

      • Moribund Cadaver

        The most current example of this is Persona 4 Arena which simultaneously simplifies many traditional command input concepts, while having some complex systems that only affect higher level play and character mastery. It also re-thinks the way moves are distributed among the available buttons to simultaneously make sense, and enable a nuanced set of mechanics.

    • Moribund Cadaver

      I think what Seth was against in earlier remarks was command inputs that made no sense or were complex only for the sake of being complex. I.e. stuff in some SNK fighting games, and certain weird inputs in Capcom games. Also, ‘two scoops’ supers.

      By the same token, Seth sure isn’t against combos and combo systems, and physical dexterity plays a huge role in being able to reliably execute a combo without dropping it under stress.

      One thing Seth apparently had input on in SFxT was getting rid of two scoops super motions, replacing them with single quarter circle inputs + number of buttons determining whether it’s a special move, EX move, or super move. That kind of system, from some perspectives, makes more intuitive sense.

    • Stupid RetardedKids

      You must work for Romney, hey? You’re really good at taking things horribly out of context with no regard for their intended meaning. 

  • tiki.92

    Lol No.
    This will never happen.
     

  • Kaihedgie

    I don’t even…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Riggenbach/100000575558258 Robert Riggenbach

    Thats hilarious, next you’ll be telling me poker should be an olympic sport too because it requires mental focus and strategy.

    • Stupid RetardedKids

      Equestrian events are in the olympics now, you know that, right?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=501909299 Chaan Niccaples Thomas

        Equestrian events have been in the Olympics for over 100 years.

        • Stupid RetardedKids

          So over 100 riders got an olympic gold medal that their horse deserved. Got it.

          • smoothnsimplified

            Exactly what I think of Equestrian.

          • http://www.facebook.com/Aaron.Cookie.Monster.Saballo Aaron Scooby Saballo

            those horses are trained. by people. seriously… wow. 

            think pokemon for a sec: it will only be as good as the skills you give them and how/when they respond to your commands.

  • Digital_Masta

    Why must everything feel the need to use the Olympics to legitimize itself? Just because it’s in the Olympics doesn’t mean it’s really all that serious. Curling is in the Winter Olympics and NOBODY takes that shit seriously. In terms of gaming it’s just like piggy backing off sports and calling things ‘esports’ as opposed to ‘professional gaming’ or ‘competitive gaming’ two terms that I think are way more fitting and accurate.

    Plus there are other events/sports that I’d rather see in the Olympics before gaming and if those haven’t made it yet there isn’t a chance in hell or gaming. And frankly I wouldn’t want to see it there to begin with. Because as much as I love fighting games and I understand the work that goes in to becoming the best if you think that’s even remotely comparable to what many Olympic athletes have to go through to even qualify for the Olympics you’re out your damn minds. There’s a reason why most people are usually 2-3 Olympics and then done (even less of gymnast). It takes a complete mental and physical toll on you. Once you finish you just go right back to training for the next one in four years. 

    • http://twitter.com/JoshuaDocks YungDuran

      I know right. Have you seen that commercial where that one guy said he hadn’t had desert in 3 years?

    • Stupid RetardedKids

      Yea man nobody takes curling seriously at all. Except, you know, Canada, the US, a whole lot of European countries. Nobody. Nope. 

      The rest of your argument is awful too. 4 year break? Obviously majors and evo wouldn’t STOP because of olympics, durrr. 

  • Troy Dalton

    Look gaming is great and all… but this is ridiculous.

  • http://www.facebook.com/PONCHOCABRERA Alfonso Rafael Cabrera Galicia

    Maybe, ……….. xbox´s dance central, could be considered a sport,….I sweat a lot when i play that shit XD

  • Digital_Masta

    And people hating on equestrian type events…have you mofos actually been on a horse before?

  • GO4PRO

    Absolutely not. Video games in the Olympics would be an insult to actual athletes. 

    • Stupid RetardedKids

      You gonna tell me equestrian events aren’t an insult to actual athletes? Theres a lot of stuff in the olympics that doesn’t qualify as athletics. Marksmanship for example. 

    • http://twitter.com/CGRonin Jay

      So chess is also an insult to “actual atheletes”?  I don’t think video games should be in the olympics, but not because I’m worried about insulting “real atheletes”.  That just sounds kind of silly.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edacero-Pedazo/100002009120666 Edacero Pedazo

        Chees is not included in Olympics yet.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=643785362 Andy Cee

    Yeah sorry, but like it’s been touched on briefly none of the sports have to worry about newer versions being developed every year. There’s no Biathalon 2: Turbo Riflery Edition being released soon. No one company owns Judo. There aren’t patches being released where Capcom is going to nerf the parry arbitrarily in Fencing. No one is yelling about the Blind Korean archer needing a buff. 

    Evo is awesome enough. As much as I love fighting games, talking about it being in the Olympics is incredibly asinine. 

    • Mash Harder

      This is the most logical reason, aside from the whole physical aspect of sport that the majority of Olympic events are focused on.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PXLAI352VUPEBETNWWTNE57XS4 Mihail Palov

    I agree that fighting games take more reflexes, skill and mental strength than say chess or poker or pool but to say they are more taxing than say biathlon where your feet have to be like a bulls and you have to multitask like crazy is just silly. 

    I don’t see them getting a spot at the Olympics unless they include irl fighting after the match is over or something. 

    I do agree though that fighting games deserve more since simple games like poker are raking in so much cash but the rules and mechanics of fighting games are hard to understand so its a long way until they can make it.

    • http://twitter.com/MiGaOh Michael G. O’Hair

      If the Olympics can have fencing, then post-Mahval stabbings are fine.

    • datagram

      I agree that a problem with fighting games is that it can be hard to understand what’s going on if you’re unfamiliar with the game. IMO, it’s a problem with UI design.

  • http://www.facebook.com/DetroitJavin Javin Culverson

    Esports doesn’t need to join the Olympics, Esports can (and should) build up its OWN Olympics.  I often tell friends that it would be beyond great to expand something like EVO (or the MLG championships) from a weekend event to a week-long event, with the inclusion of MORE games on the featured stage! 

    Have essentially ALL current (and active) played competitive games included.  Have side streams going to cover various poolplay, panels, casual play, general shenanigans, etc. across most of the days.  Have the main stream(s) cover the bulk of MARQUEE matches across games throughout the days … then bring the focus to the Finals for each game on the last 2 days of the event. 

    Games featured would include:
    (but not be limited to)

    SSF4AE
    UMvC3
    KoF13
    SCV
    MK9
    SFxT
    VF5FS
    TTT2
    DOA5
    SSF2T
    SF3: Third Strike
    Starcraft II
    League of Legends
    Counterstrike (1.6, Source, or GO)
    Halo 4
    Call of Duty (current version)
    Battlefield (current version)
    WoW (PvP)
    Super Smash Bros (current version)
    PS All-Stars
    DIVEKICK

    etc., etc., etc.

    • gigantor21

      This would be FAR better than being apart of the Olympics IMO.

    • d3v

      This.

      • http://www.facebook.com/DetroitJavin Javin Culverson

         Please forward your “Thank You”s and “ShoutOuts to Good Posts” to

        Game Over @ FSD.  :)

    • Bama_X

      I like that!

    • Louis Lam

      “Super Smash Bros (current version)”No .Melee or both.

      • http://www.facebook.com/DetroitJavin Javin Culverson

         I was thinking about whatever the upcoming “new” SSB game would be when I typed that. 

        But regardless, I also did say “active” games, so if the new game isn’t out yet, and Melee is played more than Brawl, then it should be Melee. 

        • http://www.facebook.com/spongejordan123 Jordan Bartel

          Melee is not played more than Brawl, sorry. Its like comparing the number of 3S to the number of SF4 tourneys — Brawl has more, Melee is just more interesting :P

          • Louis Lam

            Not even a remotely accurate analogy. 3S is essentially dead and SF4 has the highest attendance at EVO. Melee and Brawl attendance change by region and tournament but neither has higher attendance more often and it’s never more than about 30 entrants off at nationals.

  • http://twitter.com/MiGaOh Michael G. O’Hair

    “Next up, we have the competitive go-kart engine rebuilding event, followed by the Solo Cup stacking competition. But first, a word from President of Swimming Fast, Mad Catz BRZ Michael Phelps.”

    I don’t see it happening.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Yahkim-Siffel/100001370016186 Yahkim Siffel

    I don’t think that fighting games necessarily need to try to be apart of such established sporting events like the Olympics; we have our own thing, and right now I think that’s just fine. I understand we want to show people these games are more than just pressing buttons, and watching sparkly shit happen, but I think we need to be careful of trying to “fit in”, if you will.

    The death of a lot of new and innovative things happen when instead of forging new paths, they just try to find recognition through the established, and this zaps the creativity, ingenuity, and soul of said new thing/innovations. I don’t want to see that happen, I’m all for progress, but we have to be careful that it’s progress we’re striving for, and not acceptance; because striving for acceptance will have everyone in the fgc poise to make a move hoing themselves out in no time. If the fgc naturally progresses to something on such a global scale so be it, but otherwise I think we should steer clear of it.

  • Liam Conlon

    right on. I don’t really care much about the execution/skills (abilities that can you can get better based on how much you practice; obviously comes in various forms depending on the sport/game) shown in competition, but strategy is always awesome to watch. thus, the vast majority of sports in the olympics are really not very fun or interesting to watch or to play.

    whether you want to put them in the olympics or someplace else, some games really do deserve as much prestige as olympic sports. just because something’s hard doesn’t mean it’s impressive when you’re the best at it. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TIC7WNRSMFBSCLF6OR6JQJAAZA sb

    Video game tournaments at the olympics would be even more corny than they are at MLG and all you get is a half gold medal LMAO just no stop it

  • GameLink7 (GL)

    Yeah, since you can’t really play the same game every 4 years (Unless it was like, ST… STILL getting some plays) I think that’s really one of the main problems. But I agree on this just purely for the fact that 1, possibly 2 events should be stopped at the Olympics.

    Equestrian is a MAYBE, because it relies on moreso the training/build of the horse itself and not the person riding necessarily (though I would ASSUME if the person riding weighs less, it allows the horse to do more).

    But the one Olympic sport that should be stopped is Boxing. That sport is rigged, and people come to call it a TRADITION to rig the match in judges’ scores. The only way you can legitimately win is by knockout, but good luck getting that if your opponent knows how to clinch without clinching…

    It’d be interesting to see, I would support it, but I doubt it’ll probably make it that far.

    ~GL

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/João-Grassini/100003044683998 João Grassini

    as long as it is separate,it’s ok.
    videogames do need more recognition in mainstream media,just not in the sports section,cause they’re a complete different thing.

  • http://twitter.com/TehRandomAngel Kendall Kildare

    There’s the World Cyber Games and other similar leagues. That’s pretty close to a Olympics. Video Games don’t need to be apart the Olympics, video games have no place there.
    If we want to have a huge, week-long tournament featuring popular competitive games then we can do that. It’ll just take massive amounts of resources to pull it off. We could build up the World Cyber Games or another tournament like it and petition them to try to work with companies so that their games can be featured in the tournament.

    But as someone already said. We have EVO.

  • gigantor21

    Yeah, no.

    For one thing, I REALLY don’t trust the people running the Olympics to handle gaming competently or fairly. Stuff that has been around for decades, like boxing, is still riddled with dodgy rules and officiating. Given that, the notion that they’ll treat gaming any better, when people would laugh at the notion of “Olympic gaming”, seems naive at best.

    Beyond that, does it really need to be an Olympic event to have legitimacy? Does it even have to be considered a sport? I don’t think so. People who watch the matches know the kind of mental ability and dexterity needed to play at a high level. We don’t need to bow to the feet of the Olympics to prove as much.

    • Stupid RetardedKids

      Yea can you immagine? People who are USED to handling other games always seem to screw up FGs, the olympics would be downright stupid. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/scott.caligiuri Scott Caligiuri

    http://www.wcg.com/renew/index.asp

    There already IS a gaming olympics…..been going on since 2000……

    • Obiyer

      WCG isn’t an Olympic type event though, it’s more like a yearly tournament like Evo. I think what makes the Olympic different, is that it’s every 4 years. There isn’t really any equivalent event like that, most are yearly. 

    • Stupid RetardedKids

      LOL wcg is not olympics….wcg isn’t even really a true ‘world championship’ in a lot of ways. Use your brain. 

  • Obiyer

    I want to agree with Day9 and Seth Killian but Chess wasn’t be included in the Olympics. After reading the wikipedia article on it, it was because they didn’t know how to tell who was a professional or amateur player. I think video games are much the same, like anyone and everyone can enter Evo. I think if Chess can’t get in, then video games can’t either. 

    I think the posters above were right when they said FG’s will have it’s own thing, and different video game genres will have theirs. Maybe one day it’ll pool into one event, that may be the closest thing we have to an Olympics or Olympiad type event. 

    • http://twitter.com/JoshuaDocks YungDuran

      Im preety sure they have Olympic trials wich are like miny tournaments to see who qualifies

      • Obiyer

        Good point, I didn’t think about that. 

        After briefly looking into it the main group responsible for deciding what does or does not make it into the Olympics is the International Olympic Committee. It seems the IOC acknowledges Chess as a sport, but won’t include it. 

        The Olympic motto is “faster, higher, stronger”, it doesn’t really apply to chess. I can see it applying to video games, but you’d have to stretch it. 

        On that note like in one of the recent Olympic Games there was a Chess exhibition match. I think for video games to get into the Olympics Chess has to get in first or else there’s no hope. 

  • Stupid RetardedKids

    1: I agree that its a better guage of skill than….a lot of olympic sports

    2: No. Not going to happen. Never, ever, ever, ever, going to happen, ever. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TGIDZZVL24YPLDA54UUDQBBABY RisingStar

    Starcraft commentary may be better, but FGC are easier to understand on a fundamental level.

    1. Anybody can look at two life bars and see that the person with more life is winning ( this is only superficial but its generally true). Now, I respect Starcraft players and their tactics, but the average viewer won’t know what a “Zerg Rush” is but they understand why a Shoryuken hurts so much, all they need to do is look at the life bar.

    2. FGs are better for Olympic games as they are fast and quick. KOF, the longest FG out now  last 6 minutes overall while Starcraft matches are pretty stochastic in length which would be a pain for Olympic organizers.

    Overall, FGs are better for the Olympics but I beleive Starcraft players and FG players tend to overestimate the popularity of their respective scenes. I know 99% of the people I know would say ” Get this un-athletic, nerd shit out of here” if they saw Street Fighter, League of Legends or Starcraft being played during the Olympics.

    • http://www.facebook.com/DetroitJavin Javin Culverson

       Then there’s the fact that competitive gaming isn’t quite mainstream enough to hold the interest of a large viewing audience. 

      EX:  Anybody remember the CGS?

  • http://www.facebook.com/DashingKC K.c. Cannady

    How about we stop getting over the top with Video Games at the olympics. Everyone in the olympics is basically in shape for something they’ve been training instesely for, for years. Fact is you dont have to have a strict diet and much discipline to play a video game. You can be 300lbs and play a video game at the olympics.
    Yeah it takes a lot to out smasrt your opponent, of all the events it be the most technical no doubting that rather than just beating your opponent by pure sepeed on a strack or swimming pool, but at the end of the day you dont have to be fit to play a video game and thats just the truth. Sit down, look at a screen and press some buttons and try to win.

    • Obiyer

      Golf is making it into the Olympics in 2016, and I mean you don’t have to be that physically fit to do well in that game. A case Chess players make for placing Chess into the Olympics is Curling, which they say is just chess on ice, it’s actually a nickname of the sport. 

      • jj tarek

        ^ Has never played golf 4 days in a row walking 18 holes every day getting up at 5-6AM.

    • insub0rdination

       soo whats your argument? Fat people can be good at video games therefore they shouldn’t be in the olympics? Lol…

  • fgclolz

    They’d add beer pong first before any fighting game competition.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UN4YNPZLKJMFMYBRXOIX4G5ALA topgunz

    Wow @ all the shots fired at equestrians, the ignorance…. You guys really think it’s easy? Just to name some things, they have to choose the right bit, communicate with the horse to let it know how fast to run, when and where to jump, how high to jump, etc. Don’t bash something if you don’t know what goes into in, well this is the FGC.

    As far as fighting games being at the Olympics goes, just don’t see it happening, it’s funny thought though haha, I agree that beer pong has a better chance, maybe RPS. Even mind sport games such as GO and chess have a separate Olympics, so if anything that’s what they would do with fighting games.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/3OKQ24TO5JYLRIEZIZKPH2OYEA Hikaratu

       Noone said it’s easy. It’s just should not be an Olympic sport. Something like Dressage making the Olympics may as well be the same thing as computer programming being included. It’s almost entirely horse training with comparatively little physical or mental conditioning on the part of the rider. It’s not that these things aren’t legitimate or difficult. They just contrast with what the Olympics are supposed to be about, video games of any flavor I feel wouldn’t fit in there but in some ways the seem more appropriate than events already in there.

  • jj tarek

    This is one of the most idiotic things I have ever read.
    Seriously.

    Anyone and everyone can be a pro gamer. Not everyone can be an Olympian.

    lmfao @ video game Olympics, gtfo. It doesn’t require shit. I would love to see you do a cross country run then swim right after. Or CC skiing followed by shooting, then more CC skiing more shooting etc.

    It is taxing on the mind and body.

    Sorry but this article is written by the nerdy book worm who couldn’t make a sports team to save his life. Gaming is not on the level of sports, neither physically or mentally and it never will be. Just stop.

    This article is an embarrassment to the community.

    • insub0rdination

       what mental game is there to running? all you do is run as fast as you can. there is no decision making or outsmarting the other athletes. its just a test of who trained the most.  the only reason you hate on video games is because of the social stigma. you want to act like  a “tough guy” and laugh at all the “nerds” because you’re insecure, and you cave in to general (idiotic) society’s opinions of gamers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/yoshiaki.nakano.752 Yoshiaki Nakano

    Some of you should take up serious training in a form of athletics and try to achieve greatness on your own terms (I’m not joking), regardless of the years of pain and lifestyle dedication it may require, instead of trying legitimize what you already do so easily.

    • Stupid RetardedKids

      Muscle pic on profile, this guy is clearly a REAL (myspace) athlete 

    • Louis Lam

      Because nobody in the FGC does any sports at all.

  • http://www.facebook.com/DashingKC K.c. Cannady

    CALL RICO SWAVE

  • d3v

    One of the other reasons why fighting games shouldn’t be in the Olympics (or at least as they are), one that people aren’t talking about, is politics. There’s alot of backroom dealing going on in organized international sporting events. The need to organize into a worldwide sanctioning body alone can cause alot of unneeded drama and issues.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4EFXDHYIGRDBRTTX3WM4NU4SHI Jesse

    This is beyond dumb. I love video games but don’t try to even mix it with the Olympics… Don’t equate competitive gaming to what athletes train for years to do in their respective field.

  • Marvin Choi

    The primary reason this won’t work is that there is no standardization of the primary fundamental gameplay elements. It keeps changing over and over with new iterations of the game.

    Basketball has been essentially basketball since it came out. Gymnastics? Never really changed. Long jump? Just fucking run fast and then jump. There are consistent rules, regulations, and competitive mechanics that have been in place for these events for decades, some centuries.

    Now, Street Fighter? This is a game that can’t even stay still for a year. Things fundamentally change from generation to generation as well. ST is completely different from Alpha3 is completely different from Third Strike is completely different from AE2012. Shit keeps changing. It becomes less a contest of trying to be the best at this well-established sport and more about keeping up and staying ahead of other people as new iterations of a thing keeps coming out.

    I mean, just imagine, this one dude, one year, wins the Gold Medal for Street Fighter, specifically Third Strike. Four years later, another dude wins the Gold Medal for Street Fighter, but this time it’s SFIV. How can you compare these two accomplishments? You really can’t because they are two massively different games. I suppose you could potentially stay with the exact same game for…decades, but nobody has every done that with fighting games, ever. Scenes would die out. Competition would become scarce. The general public will move on. It just doesn’t translate the same way.

    But, ultimately, I guess anything could really happen. Did you know artists used to be in the Olympics way back in the day?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Ian-McMillan/100003757326579 Timothy Ian McMillan

    Killian needs to be reprimanded for such stupidity.

    Ian needs to be fired from SRK for posting such undeniably idiotic content.

    There’s a reason Chess is only a recognised sport and not part of the Olympic programme – and it’s not about amateur vs professional.

  • chrobaciky

    What next, comparing hadukens to brain surgery.
    What a f*cking joke.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Elias-Sirazi/1526672917 Elias Sirazi

    As it is now, even the best Street Fighter players don’t put in nearly as much work as Olympic athletes. But don’t you think that would change if it became an Olympic sport? More people would start playing, which means more competition. And the stakes would be bigger, which means more motivation to win and train harder.

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  • BeholdMyPower

    I love me some FGs, but as an Olympic sport? Hell no.

  • Joe Shikaka

    They have an Olympic video game, so does that mean if video games got into the Olympics there would be a case of  “yo dawg we heard you liked video games, so we put a video game in your video game so you can game while you game”.

  • http://twitter.com/BierKlauMeister BierKlauMeister

    This is a fuking joke, and Seth Killian saying a fighting game is a superior gauge of human competitive excellence as a Biathlon is…. wel… that cant be categorized as a joke nemore… its one of the most stupid sentences ive heard in my whole life.

    Theres the WCG, leave it at that… fighting game players, starcraft players, cs players, all of those… THEY ARE NOT ATHLETES, and video games ARE NOT A SPORT.

    For crying out loud people should really stop trying to justify sitting on their ass at home playing video games by saying that they are training for some sport. Its fuking pathetic.

  • Andrew Davidson

    I chime in with a haven’tyoupeopleeverheardof

  • http://twitter.com/GregoGraham Grego Graham

    the fgc is tiny, i mean mma doesn’t even have a shot at the Olympics anytime soon and that has alot of governing bodies, the fgc has zero governing bodies or commissions, the companies that make our games don’t even support the scene or see it the way seth does, the FGC desperately needs a company like blizzard  if we are going to ever get to the point where this is considered among sport 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Murray/611100197 Mike Murray

    Of course Kotaku would be the one to have such an article.  I’ve said this before (not here), and I’ll say it again: linking anything from Kotaku should be a crime.

  • http://twitter.com/SemajSinni innisj

    Possibly the stupidest article I have ever read.     

  • http://twitter.com/chicobo329 Frankie

    If Seth is talking about fighting games so highly about a mental and physical(???) achievement, it still would pale in comparison to the game of chess, which as of present is still not recognized as an Olympic sport. Chess is the ultimate mindgame, not fighting games, and if even that isn’t an Olympic sport, then video games (even specifically fighting games) in the Olympics is a topic that’s dead on arrival. Garry Kasporov once said of chess: “The public must come to see that chess is a violent sport. Chess is mental torture.”

  • Fenaris

    Why worry about getting into the Olympics?  FGs have SBO and EVO.  Other games have MLG and the like.  

    How about instead of trying to get into a tired, established norm, work together to make something else if you must have something like an Olympics for gaming.

  • JohnnyCageFTW

    Sure, video games should be installed into the next Olympics if you guys feel its necessary. The special Olympics that is.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Yan-Zhao/10516382 Yan Zhao

    I can agree that fighting games and Olympics (or just sports in general) have a lot in common in the spirit of competition. But I dont think fighting games should actually be part of the Olympics. Thats not what the Olympics is about. It has centuries of history to be a competitive PHYSICAL sport among the world’s countries.

    I mean look at it this way, you certainly wouldnt want physical sports to be part of fighting game majors or Evo, would you? Thats not what Evo/FGC Majors are about.

    If theres some rich company out there who wants to hold premium fighting game competition similar to Olympics, then fine that’d be awesome. Just dont mix mash the 2 together. Fighting games and Olympics do not mix.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Taylor/1207606433 Mark Taylor

    Lol wake up FGC is for this exact type of topic you keep coming up with that stops you getting any kind of respect.

    How anyone can think that playing a game even remotely compares to the years of training people do to compete in the olympics is beyond me.  If you can run 10,000 meters on your fingers then yeah ok maybe then you can compare the two.

    Computer games should never and will never be represented in the olympics.

  • infominutebrad

    great, now everyone’s gonna start looking like Drew Grimey

  • http://twitter.com/LukeJJW Ryan

    This would be insulting to other athletes, and goes against the positive healthy image the Olympics inspires.

    Also the Olympic committee are all old, and all the generations replacing them will be more real athletes who will not and should not include videogames. For it to have a chance at happening there has to be one fighting game to rule them all, uniting FGC.

  • http://twitter.com/g13flat9th Mr. anon

    Fighting games will never be accepted as a major sport because of the tier list crap, and the fact that developers can change power levels with the press of a button.  In badminton, there is no S tier racket, and if there is everyone probably uses it. In fighting games, would we really want to see an olympics where everyone uses seth or akuma?  no.

  • http://twitter.com/BierKlauMeister BierKlauMeister

    i would laugh my ass off if i ever see marn and floe walking with a us jersey along michael phelps, steven lopez, etc… what a joke 

  • MikeTysonQuotes

    To be fair, most of the FGC, including its tourney directors, view fighting games as Competitive Gaming, NOT E-SPORTS.

    It’s mostly the e-sports fools that consider video games to be a sport, and it’s those same deluded  fools who want video games at the olympics.

    Grassroots FGC people like Haunts who work so hard to stream 3 days a week, they just want to promote their love of fighting games and its gritty environment that promotes trash talking rivalry and friendship at the same time.

    It’s mostly the sc2 drones who want video games to be at the olympics, so they can watch 30 mins of interviews and ads between actual competition, which would be EVEN BETTER than the 10 min downtime between matches of MLG

  • Northofself

    Maybe after Billiards and Foosball becomes an Olympic sport.

  • http://handsomefatman.com/ Carlos Alexandre

    Fighting game tourneys are already sport by virtue of being organized competition. And I’d argue that, with the game itself enforcing its own rules, its much more worthwhile than, say, boxing or soccer or anything with a human arbiter.

    Also, an interesting Kotaku topic? I guess it has to happen sometime. Kotaku is still trash though.

  • Blk_Azn

    Come on really, video games at the Olympics? Olympics happens every…………….4 years O_o.

  • Quintus Havis

    Well, regardless of all this shit about whether or not video games can be considered true sports, I doubt that the Olympics would go in for any game (which all the Olympics stuff are, ultimately) that leans on assymetrical balance the way fighting games do. At the same time, making a fighting game where everyone plays the exact same character is to make an incredibly shit game.

    I could see maybe speed run races. I won’t talk about Starcraft and stuff because I don’t know shit about RTS games. But not stuff like Street Fighter. Not to mention the extremely blatant commercialism that’d be at play (I mean moreso than how the Olympics are already). If a company got a game in as an Olympic game, sales would blow up. It would turn that aspect of the Olympics into a more crass kind of commercial shit then it already often is. Folks already complain about this kind of thing re: Capcom and EVO. I can only imagine how much worse it’d be at the Olympics.

    Isn’t stuff like EVO and SBO already kind of fighting game Olympics? Or if there needs to be something that’s more consolidated, do that. I don’t think the FGC needs to strive to get involved with other shit. We can just do our own thing.

  • http://twitter.com/JaimeBrandonTX Jaime Brandon Morin

    HOLY SHIT HAHAHAHAHAH:

    “nearly
    every fighting game competition is decided by truly AMAZING PHYSICAL EXECUTION as well, on par with the kind of technical excellence you see
    reflected in events like Olympic archery.”

  • Karl Wilson

    no i don’t agree olympics is a game set in real life.  The Olympics are already bogged down with useless team sports don’t even try to add video games to the mix.  I want to see people in motion the only motion in fighting games is moving a joystiq a inch and pressing some buttons.  

  • http://twitter.com/GregoGraham Grego Graham

    wow look at everyone hate on fighting games and calling top players down to the lowest… fighting games desperately need a new core audience cause the ones it has now will never let it get out of its infancy 

  • Solo Sensei

    The most stupidest thing I’ve ever read on this site with even more dumber replies from people believing that there are comparisons to be drawn from real life events and fighting games. Has peoples lives become so sedentary that they believe this crap.

  • http://www.fightercon.com William Traylor

    Ooooooooooooooooooooooo-Sports? Nah… don’t like it.

  • Ndebe

    Fuck Kotaku. Do I need to remind some of you guys that this is the exact same site that shat all over the FGC and other competitive games before? They are willing to say whatever it takes to get page views no matter how ignorant their writing is. First they shat on the FGC when that was the cool thing to do, and now the Olympics are going on they talk about competitive games like they know anything about them and draw comparisons to the Olympics. Do the world a favor and stay away from every Kotaku link ever. Don’t even give them the satisfaction of one page view.

  • DeSynBer

    Seeing stuff like this really makes me laugh…and disgusted. This is almost as bad as gay marriage (I don’t think that gays shouldn’t get be together, but i believe that they should have a union that is different from marriage, even though it should have equal value.) 

    Yes, fighting games does are very strategic and high execution games…depending on the game, but to compare it to chess is giving it too much credit. In chess, both players have EQUAL pieces that all have EQUAL moves they can do. Now, lets look at fighting games in general, i can type a whole page essay, but, shortly, there is absolutely nothing EQUAL about them. From the variety of characters in the game, the tiers, the system mechanics, the “balance” patches, and don’t get me start on the arrival of gems.

    In sports, you pick what you want to do, and take the gifts that your parents gave you at birth, your determination, and a barf-bag and you try to do all you can do to be the best you can possibly be. In FGs, you pick the game you think you will enjoy and pray it stays popular (In America, that’s basically only capcom games), look up the tiers and see which characters are viable and which is the highest tier, you train several hours a day and play online against players that you pray have good connections, and finally you keep at it UNTIL another popular fighting game comes out which will kill the scene in the one you are in (which generally takes about a year now), or heaven forbid, your character gets nerfed. After that you wash and repeat.Yeah, i’m being biased against the gaming scene, but i’m being as much bias as most of you are ignorant of how much you of what real athletes put themselves through for their events.

  • insub0rdination

    as soon as I saw the title of this post, i knew the comments would be filled with Tough Guys saying “you’re all nerds blah blah fat ass/skinny nerd sit on computer”  sigh.. This is why we can’t have nice things, FGC filled with immature kids trying to look tough 

    • http://twitter.com/BierKlauMeister BierKlauMeister

      Its more like the FGC filled with people who have the minimal IQ required to understand the difference between pressing buttons and doing sport at an olympic level… and who, even though they LOVE THEIR FIGHTING GAMES, realize that even DARING TO COMPARE what a fighting game player “goes through” to get good at their game, and what an olympic athlete GOES THROUGH, TO GET GOOD AT THEIR SPORT, is the biggest joke.. i mean insult ever to any athlete, and something just very, very, very, very stupid to say.

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