Super Smash Bros. Brawl: Project M Demo Released

by Delriach on April 18th, 2012 at 2:32 am

A group of modders just released their latest demo of Project M, a Super Smash Bros. Brawl mod with retooled gameplay mechanics inspired by Super Smash Bros. Melee. The result should be a more competitive Smash game that’s arguably more fun to play. The demo is quite impressive and includes 29 playable characters to choose from. The good news is that you don’t need a modified Wii to use this mod. All you need is a copy of Super Smash Bros. Brawl and an SD card with the appropriate files. Instructions on how to install the mod can be found on the official website. The reception has been positive so far, so you might as well give it a try to see what it’s all about.

Source: Project M, tip via JumpMan

Anonymous

I’ve alreaDY HAD THIS FOR A WHILE…. what?
- http://www.facebook.com/bolton.lin Bolton Lin
  
  I am pretty sure this post actually means to say that this is the release of Project M v2. It is likely you had v1. v2 just released 2 days ago with new characters added.
- http://www.facebook.com/bolton.lin Bolton Lin
  
  I am pretty sure this post actually means to say that this is the release of Project M v2. It is likely you had v1. v2 just released 2 days ago with new characters added.
- Alex -
  
  how in the hell does caps turn on in the middle of a sentence like that
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Onofre-Galvez-III/724821749 Onofre Galvez III
    
    Oh dude, the a key is right next to the caps lock key
    - Anonymous
      
      Wait…REALLY? It’s been tHERE this enTIRE tiMe
      - http://www.facebook.com/thurl Thurl Bailey Jr
        
        stop.
      - Anonymous
        
        Hammertime
      - http://www.facebook.com/thurl Thurl Bailey Jr
        
        stop.
    - Anonymous
      
      Wait…REALLY? It’s been tHERE this enTIRE tiMe
    - Anonymous
      
      Wait…REALLY? It’s been tHERE this enTIRE tiMe
Anonymous

I’ve alreaDY HAD THIS FOR A WHILE…. what?
http://www.facebook.com/birdinfish Alex Featheringill

It’s certainly fun, but I wouldn’t say more competitive. More competitive has to do with the amount of people playing it than anything, which there are certainly less than any other smash title (even 64). But, again, its a lot of fun. If you liked melee at all, I’d say to try it out and see what you think of it.
http://www.facebook.com/birdinfish Alex Featheringill

It’s certainly fun, but I wouldn’t say more competitive. More competitive has to do with the amount of people playing it than anything, which there are certainly less than any other smash title (even 64). But, again, its a lot of fun. If you liked melee at all, I’d say to try it out and see what you think of it.
http://twitter.com/Paper_Tank Chris Henao

At first I thought this was talking about a demo for the new Smash Bros game. Needless to say I dared to dream too big.
http://twitter.com/Paper_Tank Chris Henao

At first I thought this was talking about a demo for the new Smash Bros game. Needless to say I dared to dream too big.
http://www.facebook.com/mtarantella Michael Tarantella

Jesus, was brawl+ not enough for you people?
- http://twitter.com/lolPfhor Ryan Delaney
  
  no, because brawl+ still has lots of shitty brawl mechanics and doesn’t have wave dashing.
- http://twitter.com/lolPfhor Ryan Delaney
  
  no, because brawl+ still has lots of shitty brawl mechanics and doesn’t have wave dashing.
- http://twitter.com/PKthaArtisan P.K. Wilson
  
  NO IT WASNT………..we waited 10years for a Melee update, and this is what we got……………..sooooo good
- http://twitter.com/PKthaArtisan P.K. Wilson
  
  NO IT WASNT………..we waited 10years for a Melee update, and this is what we got……………..sooooo good
- http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor
  
  Was Counter Strike enough for the Half-Life people?
- http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor
  
  Was Counter Strike enough for the Half-Life people?
- http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor
  
  Was Counter Strike enough for the Half-Life people?
- http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor
  
  Was Counter Strike enough for the Half-Life people?
http://twitter.com/NeroRevolver Ryan Harris

I’m someone who is all for letting smash be competitive despite how everyone on the SRK message boards bashes it. But if you have to go above and beyond to mod said game in order for it to be competitive, I find that evidence enough that you should probably put your priority in another source.
- http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor
  
  What people like you don’t seem to understand is the fact that mods aren’t inherently disowning the original game and trying to fix it.
  
  It’s about using the resources to create something. And here we have a mod that acts as a pretty great successor to Melee.
- http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor
  
  What people like you don’t seem to understand is the fact that mods aren’t inherently disowning the original game and trying to fix it.
  
  It’s about using the resources to create something. And here we have a mod that acts as a pretty great successor to Melee.
- http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor
  
  What people like you don’t seem to understand is the fact that mods aren’t inherently disowning the original game and trying to fix it.
  
  It’s about using the resources to create something. And here we have a mod that acts as a pretty great successor to Melee.
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Howell/512710696 Richard Howell
    
    as great that these ppl r trying to make melee into brawl. to me, it kinda pointless. to mod a game in-order to make it competitive just so it might not be use in tournament or anyway competitively and a sequel of brawl is coming coming out in the future seem kinda pointless. i do however think that project m look great
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Howell/512710696 Richard Howell
    
    as great that these ppl r trying to make melee into brawl. to me, it kinda pointless. to mod a game in-order to make it competitive just so it might not be use in tournament or anyway competitively and a sequel of brawl is coming coming out in the future seem kinda pointless. i do however think that project m look great
    - http://twitter.com/_X_77 ß®@ñ♪0ñ Rô♭Σ®〒$
      
      there is nothing pointless about creating the game everyone was waiting for for so long. if you ask me, by that definition of pointless, brawl was by far more pointless tweaking the smash bros formula so much to the point it lost all its hardcore competitive appeal mostly for that wii kids profiting strategy BS. No satisfying combos to pull off as well as the worst F’ing addition to the game, Random Tripping. WTF was sakarai on when he added that shxt!? Cause people are still playing melee, in 2012! why? cause brawl Fails. simple as that. Project M is the true sequel we all pictured in our heads since around 2003. 2005 when the sequel would be announced as brawl, created HYPE! in 2008 after its release and was not the game we expected we had no choice but to suck it up and try to become beast again. but thanks to codes, brawl+ would come out and show how simply tweaking a few of the BS from brawl could make it a waaay more fun game to play! with all of the brawl mods’ (balanced brawl, brawl+, brawl-) experience, project m had more knowledge and tools to work with in creating that 1 game we all had in mind, a melee 2.0. And project m is pretty damn legit! i would spend money on project m over brawl ANY DAY.
      
      brawl+ had successful tournaments, project m will too. in fact I created my own hack to play with my friends after school. a hack with almost no restrictions, feeling like fast paced brawl+ with project m tricks in a way. I call it Khaos and i will release it pretty soon and will have tournaments for that too. so nothing is pointless. its all for a reason. and that reason is to have addicting smash bros fun that you never want to put down like most remember with melee, and most recently brawl+ succeeded in. we could play brawl+ for hours on end with out getting tired of it at all.
      
      and when the new smash comes out, if it sucks in terms of how brawl sucked transitioning from a game like melee, then we will have some smash games to fall back on and continue playing like most players did falling back on melee. so its a win win! (for smash bros fans anyways. if your a butthurt kiddie brawl fanboy that hates on these mods when they dont even affect them, its a win-loose or loose-loose depending on where the new smash bros goes in terms of gameplay mechanics)
- http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor
  
  What people like you don’t seem to understand is the fact that mods aren’t inherently disowning the original game and trying to fix it.
  
  It’s about using the resources to create something. And here we have a mod that acts as a pretty great successor to Melee.
- http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor
  
  What people like you don’t seem to understand is the fact that mods aren’t inherently disowning the original game and trying to fix it.
  
  It’s about using the resources to create something. And here we have a mod that acts as a pretty great successor to Melee.
- http://www.facebook.com/GunBlazer José Amado Almonte Portorreal
  
  Plus, it doesn’t affect the console or something like that; it is not not even a permanently modified copy of the game.
- Mizter Business
  
  well, aren’t we close-minded and stubborn
http://www.facebook.com/thadius.greer Thadius Greer

So whats the difference? Im a noob so sue me.
- Adrian Arguelles
  
  Everything, literally the only thing that’s the same is the aesthetic
http://www.facebook.com/thadius.greer Thadius Greer

So whats the difference? Im a noob so sue me.
http://www.facebook.com/thadius.greer Thadius Greer

So whats the difference? Im a noob so sue me.
http://twitter.com/LordTujex DHETNiggaOvaThere

Jeez…Brawl was sooo screwed they had to recreate the game from scratch to make it worth playing. I’ll prolly get it and run matches with friends for fun. Love the game, but the community has died down so much I’m better off spending time training in other stuff.
http://twitter.com/LordTujex DHETNiggaOvaThere

Jeez…Brawl was sooo screwed they had to recreate the game from scratch to make it worth playing. I’ll prolly get it and run matches with friends for fun. Love the game, but the community has died down so much I’m better off spending time training in other stuff.
http://twitter.com/LordTujex DHETNiggaOvaThere

Jeez…Brawl was sooo screwed they had to recreate the game from scratch to make it worth playing. I’ll prolly get it and run matches with friends for fun. Love the game, but the community has died down so much I’m better off spending time training in other stuff.
http://www.facebook.com/Captain.D.J.Falcon Alexander Bradley-Myhill

Just play Melee. =/
- http://twitter.com/lolPfhor Ryan Delaney
  
  Even melee has a lot of shitty stages and characters that are useless. Project M aims to improve on melee too.
- http://twitter.com/lolPfhor Ryan Delaney
  
  Even melee has a lot of shitty stages and characters that are useless. Project M aims to improve on melee too.
- http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor
  
  This is more of a sequel than anything.
- http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor
  
  This is more of a sequel than anything.
- Adrian Arguelles
  
  Actually with P:M we are playing a better Melee, so yeah we are “just playing Melee’
Anonymous

Project M = Make the game play/feel more like Melee

Brawl + = Fix and balance stupid shit from Brawl.
http://www.facebook.com/birdinfish Alex Featheringill

I don’t get why people in the comment streams act like the entire brawl community supports these things. There wouldn’t be so many brawl tournaments if everybody wanted it to be more like melee. It’s just those people that are dedicated enough to the task that want to see their vision come true. You wouldn’t say that custom PC chars for SF4 were community supported, would you?
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Zee/1126663753 Tom Zee
  
  if they were good… why not support them? Just like i support project m…. its good
  
  1)dont over think your games people
  2)where are these custom characters you speak of
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Zee/1126663753 Tom Zee
  
  if they were good… why not support them? Just like i support project m…. its good
  
  1)dont over think your games people
  2)where are these custom characters you speak of
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Schneider/584412916 Justin Schneider
    
    He means the modded PC costumes, as well as there being some characters out there people hacked themselves, that aren’t in play, and I am not even sure for download, but there are videos of them.
http://twitter.com/novriltataki Fighting Game News

Let’s hack and change the game instead of giving other games a chance!
- http://www.facebook.com/bolton.lin Bolton Lin
  
  It’s been 3 years. You really think they haven’t given other games a chance? They want to stick with a plethora of nostalgic figures beating the shit out of each other, so what’s the problem?
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Onofre-Galvez-III/724821749 Onofre Galvez III
  
  I can’t really think of another game that plays similarly to Super Smash, and future Smash titles probably won’t appeal to the competitive scene because of Miramoto’s attitude towards competitive gaming.
  - http://www.facebook.com/peraltasoto Gustavo Peralta Soto
    
    SFxT plays similar to smash Kappa
  - Donovan Harris
    
    That Ninja Turtles game, Viewtiful Joe Red Hot Rumble, Battle Stadium D.O.N.
- http://twitter.com/TheRedKirby Ryan J D
  
  I’m not sure what you’re saying. To stop playing Smash and play something else? Cause a lot of Smash players DO play other games.
- http://twitter.com/lolPfhor Ryan Delaney
  
  Why are you implying that melee players don’t play other games, I swear you say some dumb shit sometimes.
- http://twitter.com/lolPfhor Ryan Delaney
  
  Why are you implying that melee players don’t play other games, I swear you say some dumb shit sometimes.
- Adrian Arguelles
  
  I don’t see many of you guys loving SFxT so much.
http://www.facebook.com/Dark.Reaper.and.Galactimus.Zero Marvin Choi

I hope Sakurai knows of these mods and realizes what a shitty job he did on Brawl.
http://www.facebook.com/Dark.Reaper.and.Galactimus.Zero Marvin Choi

I hope Sakurai knows of these mods and realizes what a shitty job he did on Brawl.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Schneider/584412916 Justin Schneider
  
  Brawl wasn’t shitty, but it isn’t made to be competitive in the same sense that SF is made to be competitive. Just because a game wasn’t made to be competitive doesn’t mean the developers did a shitty job on it, and saying as much shows your own ignorance.
  
  Also, the fact the SSB community neuters the game so much also helps to unbalance it, items in SSB does actually help in stopping half the “broken” things in Brawl you know. However, I digress the rest of my opinion on the Smash community, but to sum it up shortly it is a very negative opinion.
  - http://www.facebook.com/Dark.Reaper.and.Galactimus.Zero Marvin Choi
    
    SFII wasn’t made to be competitive, but it turned out that way anyway because it started off with solid mechanics and the developers realized the competitive fans made it popular.
    
    Items do nothing but add randomness to a game that is already full of randomness. Do you enjoy the idea of, say, a random bomb falling on you while you’re trying to do a super in another fighting game? Or the idea of your opponent getting a free boost completely by chance? How is that NOT bullshit?
    
    If you ever played Smash Bros. at anything beyond an extremely casual level you’d realize what a dumbass you’re being.
    - http://twitter.com/CGRonin Jay
      
      I think your missing his point. I’ll spell it out a bit more plainly. The developer doesn’t -want- the game to be competative. Thus he’s taken steps to prevent it from being so (my opinion is that it was a stupid move, but it’s his game. he can do what he wants).
      - http://www.facebook.com/Dark.Reaper.and.Galactimus.Zero Marvin Choi
        
        And that’s why he is doing a shitty job.
        
        He needs to realize he has a shitty approach to multiplayer game design.
        
        Before Smash, all he did was design Kirby platforming games. He didn’t have to worry about developing metagames, all he had to do was make an engine, make a bunch of levels, make sure there are no bugs, make sure it’s fun, and then it’s done.
        
        Smash 64 worked for the same reason Marvel 2 worked, in that it has mechanics you could exploit like crazy to make it competitive.
        
        Melee worked because Miyamoto intervened and, since he actually knows a lot more about game design than Sakurai, insisted that Sakurai focus on multiplayer over single-player.
        
        Brawl got fucked up because Sakurai was off in his own land with Sora and nobody told him what to do. He handled the entire balancing of the roster BY HIMSELF, like a fucking egotistical idiot, and he admitted he spent more time balancing the roster for the retarded single-player campaign than he did for the multiplayer (y’know, the portion 99% of gamers will be playing for 99% of the time?)
        
        His priorities are fucked up, and he needs a wake-up call. He needs to stop trying to work on fucking stickers and a shitty storyline that he can’t even tell very well and working on the fucking multiplayer.
        
        And if he can’t do that, hire someone else.
      - http://www.facebook.com/bolton.lin Bolton Lin
        
        With all due respect, I don’t think there’s a need to be angry. What’s done is done (and done nearly 3 years ago) and whatever your opinion may be, the fact is that Sakurai designed it to be a casual party game, which is what it turned out to be, and which has since made it the number one game on the Wii console even now; to say Sakurai has done a “shitty job” is purely subjective and in a skewed viewpoint of a minority of players (us). I think I can speak for a lot of players when I say that Brawl is still very fun to play with friends.
        
        All that being said, it is very obvious that if we could undo the past and get a totally different director/developer (not sure) that will appease the competitive community, we would have done so in a heart beat.
      - http://www.facebook.com/Dark.Reaper.and.Galactimus.Zero Marvin Choi
        
        If we don’t get angry, then they’ll just do the exact same shit again for the next game. If the voice is not vocal enough, they simply won’t care. Nintendo is already pretty nebulous as it is, really very little direct interaction with their consumers (at least nothing close to the level of Capcom or SNK). They need to know that many of their fans are angry about this game.
        
        Someone needs to WATCH Sakurai, not let him do his own crap.
      - http://mystady.com/ MY STADY — mystady.com
        
        Sorry @facebook-3319857:disqus , you’re in the minority. The majority people buying smash are casuals. And those casuals don’t give a shit about the points you’ve brought up. And so long as the casuals outnumber you first party games on Nintendo will continue to cater to these casuals.
        
        The next game might throw a few bones under the table for entitled competitive MAD players such as yourself—if you’re lucky. But don’t hold your breath. Your MAD falls on deaf ears.
        
        Sorry.
        
        TL;DR
        Deal with it.
      - Adrian Arguelles
        
        @ everyone. Yes Brawl is a casual party game with no competitivity in mind. P:M makes it competitive. So yeah, it is fun in parties with a lot of people, nothing else, so let the modders do their work as they like without bashing it.
      - http://twitter.com/_X_77 ß®@ñ♪0ñ Rô♭Σ®〒$
        
        @AlainChristian:disqus Isnt that the reason why we hack the game in the first place? 1. to prove a point
        2. to have the ultimate fun nintendo possibly wont provide again due to the companies love of money over its true fans.
        its bull shxt yea but thats again why we create these mods. plain and simple leave the mods/modders alone like we did brawl. its all in good fun.
    - Anonymous
      
      Justin Schneider is right. Brawl wasn’t meant to be very competitive. There is so much work that goes into balancing all characters in a game at a casual level, and a high level AND a competitive level. Even Capcom hasn’t perfected that. And that’s what Justin was saying, Brawl wasn’t meant to be competitive. In other words Sakurai (Brawl producer) said specifically on the official game blog that he knew it would not be feasible to perfectly balance the game. Instead they were focused on features and fun.
      
      Sakurai and Nintendo had fun as their primary goal. Variety and a bit of spontaneity lends itself to that goal. Simplicity and testing lends itself to balance. And with walls, moving stages, items and hidden properties, The Smash series is NOT simple.
      
      The ONE BS thing I will say Brawl has is tripping. ABSOLUTELY no reason for that.
      
      But to reiterate; If your goal is to have fun just from playing, Brawl is chock full of it and does it better than most games on the market (and the sales show it). If your goal is to have fun by winning and feel that skill level is the only factor that should determine who wins a game, Brawl just isn’t your game. Doesn’t make Brawl a bad game though. Not by a long shot.
      - http://www.facebook.com/Dark.Reaper.and.Galactimus.Zero Marvin Choi
        
        It makes absolute no sense to balance only for casuals, ESPECIALLY in lieu of the competitive scene.
        
        Y’know why Starcraft blew up? Because Blizzard realized that they had a budding competitive scene and nurtured it. Now it’s the biggest competitive videogame in the entire world.
        
        It’s the same reason why Counterstrike blew up, or Halo, or even Street Fighter, it’s because the developers realized they had a community being built around the competitive aspect of the game and they nurtured it.
        
        But Nintendo (namely Sakurai)? “Oh gross, people are taking the game too seriously, ew, let’s add random shit and not give a damn about the multiplayer at all.”
        
        Look what happened when Capcom catered to the casuals. We get crap like SFxT, and now they’ve lost a lot of faith in the community. The same thing has happened for Smash. People are now NERVOUS about what the next Smash game will be like. I’m willing to bet there are a lot of people like me who are hoping to God that Sakurai doesn’t do the whole thing by himself, since it’s really unlikely he won’t be doing at least some of it.
        
        Smash Bros. is fun for casuals regardless of how it’s designed because the CONCEPT itself is what sells it. Marvel 2 sold like hotcakes because it featured Marvel characters. Hell, most of my friends didn’t even know what the fuck it played like when they got it for Dreamcast, but they bought it ’cause it had their favorite characters in it. Smash is going to sell REGARDLESS of how it actually is.
        
        So why would you then actively disdain the players that obviously love it most? Why would you, instead of nurturing a community that builds up fan loyalty to your series, decide that the people who “play your game too much” are suddenly an undesireable element? This is the dumbest fucking mindset any developer can have.
      - Anonymous
        
        You have one key element ENTIRELY wrong. The competitive scene is not the group who loves the Smash series the most. They’re the ones who play it the most seriously. Nintendo fans, people who see how fun the game is, and even (OMG) casuals all love the game. Being competitive does not make anyone more deserving.
        
        As discussed before, changing a single frame of a single attack can be enough to totally change how viable a character is at the competitive level. When your whole game rides on that, yeah you spend a whole lot of time adjusting every minor detail. That DOES come at a cost though. Time, money, modes; the game designers have to balance that and try and create what they feel is their best product.
        
        Is it worth $5 million dollars to make sure that character A doesn’t beat character B 7 times out of 10? Maybe. But I bet the sales of a game and the respect for it won’t make up that 5 mil. Especially when thousands of hours later and thousands of players later, it’s shown that that 5 mil was wasted.
        
        If a game is inherently not fun in any sense, it doesn’t sell. And furthermore, it’s not a product a game designer can be proud of. Halo, Counterstrike, StarCraft, and even Street Fighter AND the Smash series are all played because they are FUN. (I’ll assume by “blew up” you mean sales.)
      - http://www.facebook.com/spongejordan123 Jordan Bartel
        
        Counter-Strike also died because it catered to casuals, and CS:GO isn’t exactly looking like it’ll bring us back to the golden age.
      - http://www.facebook.com/spongejordan123 Jordan Bartel
        
        Counter-Strike also died because it catered to casuals, and CS:GO isn’t exactly looking like it’ll bring us back to the golden age.
      - http://www.facebook.com/spongejordan123 Jordan Bartel
        
        Counter-Strike also died because it catered to casuals, and CS:GO isn’t exactly looking like it’ll bring us back to the golden age.
      - http://www.facebook.com/spongejordan123 Jordan Bartel
        
        Counter-Strike also died because it catered to casuals, and CS:GO isn’t exactly looking like it’ll bring us back to the golden age.
      - Nathan Buth
        
        You are being stupid. Why did they balance for casual players? Because the Wii is a casual gaming system you moron. And by the time Brawl was released on it everybody knew it so it is not a shocking move at all. Why target more competitive players that use 360s PS3s and PCs when their audience is mostly made up of CASUAL gamers and kids. To do so would have been an idiotic move on their part. Stop whining about a game, that despite having some stupid things here and there (tripping…) but overall was and is a great game on its own, that came out over 4 years ago and actually use your mind to think before you write a dumb statement/complaint.
        
        Now furthermore a previous statement talked about all he would have to do in order to make something like a platform game as if it was simple. Are you a game designer? I am going to guess you aren’t based off of your statement. Is a platformer relatively simple to make? You could make the statement that it is by a little bit compared to certain games, but it is by no means EASY to do. If Sakurai was not good at making games that run efficiently and that were fun to MOST of the audience on a system he would not have headed any of the SSB projects. Let alone all three.
      - http://www.facebook.com/bolton.lin Bolton Lin
        
        Again, your opinion is skewed to only a singular point of view. What makes a developer good? Is it a measurable amount of success he brings to a product, or is it the props he gets from a minority group of players?
        
        Whether you like it or not, what has shown to be successful and what you think is successful do not have many similarities. If you want to talk about PC games, look at League of Legends and compare that to Starcraft.
        
        League of Legends is very newbie-friendly and was designed with the intent to lure in more casual players. Yet its competitive scene is booming and the viewer count on the popular stream absolutely trumps any Starcraft II pro. In my opinion, League of Legends is the perfect model of which a successful game can follow. Casual and fun to play with friends but still leaves a very large room for competitive play.
    - Anonymous
      
      I play Brawl/Smash just for fun with my friends, and items are hilariously fun. Stop trying to make every fighter competitive; some games aren’t meant for it.
      - Mizter Business
        
        Brawl is more a casual arcade game than a fighter.
      - Mizter Business
        
        Brawl is more a casual arcade game than a fighter.
      - Mizter Business
        
        Brawl is more a casual arcade game than a fighter.
      - http://mystady.com/ MY STADY — mystady.com
        
        This guy gets it. The game is fun casually, @facebook-3319857:disqus , items, trips, and all.
        
        I’ll play it the way I want to play it and you play it the way you want to.
      - http://www.facebook.com/Dark.Reaper.and.Galactimus.Zero Marvin Choi
        
        It can be competitive while still having the random crap casuals love.
        
        Smash 64/Melee was HELLA competitive, and casuals STILL loved the crap out of the game.
        
        There is no point in designing a game JUST for casuals when a games designed for competitive players appeal to both casuals and comp players.
    - Anonymous
      
      I play Brawl/Smash just for fun with my friends, and items are hilariously fun. Stop trying to make every fighter competitive; some games aren’t meant for it.
  - http://www.facebook.com/Dark.Reaper.and.Galactimus.Zero Marvin Choi
    
    SFII wasn’t made to be competitive, but it turned out that way anyway because it started off with solid mechanics and the developers realized the competitive fans made it popular.
    
    Items do nothing but add randomness to a game that is already full of randomness. Do you enjoy the idea of, say, a random bomb falling on you while you’re trying to do a super in another fighting game? Or the idea of your opponent getting a free boost completely by chance? How is that NOT bullshit?
    
    If you ever played Smash Bros. at anything beyond an extremely casual level you’d realize what a dumbass you’re being.
  - http://handsomefatman.com/ Carlos Alexandre
    
    Brawl was shitty. Its mechanics are terrible at every level of play, from competitive to casual.
    - http://twitter.com/SOUTHWESTOUTLAW SOUTHWEST OUTLAWS
      
      And I happen to think it is the best game of the series. I also happen to think Melee was like a rushed/unfinished version of brawl and that Brawl improved on Melee in most (not all) of areas.
      - http://handsomefatman.com/ Carlos Alexandre
        
        The problem with this particular viewpoint is it’s based on fallacy.
      - Louis Lam
        
        I agree! Brawl is better in every way
        
        but gameplay.
  - Adrian Arguelles
    
    When you have the most imbalanced cast in fighting game history and the most broken stage list ever, yes they did do a shitty job on it. Also you would never understand, because in your own “ignorance” as you say, you must have obviously always played this game with no intention of gettign somewhere on it. So if you nothing constructive to say shut up.
  - Adrian Arguelles
    
    When you have the most imbalanced cast in fighting game history and the most broken stage list ever, yes they did do a shitty job on it. Also you would never understand, because in your own “ignorance” as you say, you must have obviously always played this game with no intention of gettign somewhere on it. So if you nothing constructive to say shut up.
- http://www.facebook.com/bolton.lin Bolton Lin
  
  I think Nintendo should definitely consider Brawl+ and Project M when making key decisions on their next Smash Bros. game (announced/implied for the Wii U and 3DS).. but that’s not to say they need to either (sales wise).
  - Anonymous
    
    I agree. I would LIKE to see a more balanced Smash game. With pointers taken from the community. The fact that the community is even putting so much effort into their own version shows a lot. Speed closer to Melee’s with Brawl’s diversity, perfect balance, and NO tripping! I said I would likely skip the next console generation, but that’s the kind of bait that makes me eat my words. I so want that.
    
    I enjoyed playing Brawl immensely, but once I started playing online, my competitive side was left wanting. Did I get my money’s worth? Of course. And I STILL play close, heated matches with my cousin. Most items on, most stages in the rotation. Crazy things still happen. A trip leading to big damage, Lucky item timing for 2 KOs in a row. A random hit for a 12% KO. But it does not take the fun away from the game.
    
    The thing is, there’s an overlap. The same people who play Brawl for competition, likely play it for the FUN also. And if Nintendo makes a game that everyone can have fun with, then they’ve satisfied most of their audience. There’s a real possibility that if Smash was more about balance than anything, it might not have turned out to be as fun. And that means LESS satisfied people.
    
    I want my perfectly balanced (no tripping!) Smash 4. But I want my FUN Smash 4 a bit more. Not to say a perfectly balanced fun Smash 4 can’t be made, but NO developer has perfected that yet anyway. That said, I agree with Nintendo that if you have to shave balance for the sake of fun, so be it.
    - http://www.facebook.com/bolton.lin Bolton Lin
      
      Do not misunderstand, although I do have fun with Brawl very much so, having a competitive based Smash 4 would be absolutely amazing, and I believe there is very little risk of losing consumers from the casual side (even though, it is definitely a real possibility). The problem with it is just attempting to balance it considering the immovable mass that is the roster size.
      
      What I am trying to say is that there is little to no need for Nintendo to balance it either from a financial point of view, which is probably why they might not attempt to, considering how much work goes into balancing.I personally don’t enjoy playing with items (but I won’t object if a friend wants them on), but so long as they have the option to be turned off in Smash 4, I would buy it simply because it’s bound to be consistently fun.
      - Anonymous
        
        I pretty much agree with you. Actually the way I play Brawl, I could just as easily toss in Melee (just my cousin and me and I main Mario, he mains Sheik). But I like the extra variety and options.
        
        I think some insight from the community world wide would help. Those who are foucsed on what THE GAME needs, not just what “the community” or they want.
        
        And you’re right, it DOES take a lot to balance. And I can even call the team out that certain design features would be better overall like a float/fall speed that is BETWEEN Melees and Brawls. But again we pretty much agree completely.
- http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor
  
  I also hope for this and for future support of Smash Bros. mods.
  
  I mean texture/content mods and mod games are pretty much the biggest thing that set PC games apart from console games.
- Anonymous
  
  You are the most hilariously stereotypical competitive-Smash-snob I’ve seen for a while. You just don’t understand that the Smash series is made to be played casually, and that 99% of Smash fans like it for exactly that reason. Nobody at Nintendo gives a shit about your opinion, no matter how hard you rage and “make your voice heard” or whatever.
  
  Brawl was a well-designed, feature-packed party game that can be a lot of fun. I have no problem with random people modding it into something they enjoy more than the base game; more power to them for accomplishing such a feat. However, I do have a problem with retards like you trying to force your idiotic opinion on other people.
  
  You even managed to misuse the word “metagame.” Please, get off Smashboards and check out the rest of the world some time.
- Anonymous
  
  You are the most hilariously stereotypical competitive-Smash-snob I’ve seen for a while. You just don’t understand that the Smash series is made to be played casually, and that 99% of Smash fans like it for exactly that reason. Nobody at Nintendo gives a shit about your opinion, no matter how hard you rage and “make your voice heard” or whatever.
  
  Brawl was a well-designed, feature-packed party game that can be a lot of fun. I have no problem with random people modding it into something they enjoy more than the base game; more power to them for accomplishing such a feat. However, I do have a problem with retards like you trying to force your idiotic opinion on other people.
  
  You even managed to misuse the word “metagame.” Please, get off Smashboards and check out the rest of the world some time.
  - Louis Lam
    
    lol brawl sucks
  - Louis Lam
    
    lol brawl sucks
  - http://www.facebook.com/Dark.Reaper.and.Galactimus.Zero Marvin Choi
    
    They did a shitty job. My opinion is actually fact. What are you going to do about it?
    - http://www.facebook.com/GunBlazer José Amado Almonte Portorreal
      
      Brawl sucks in terms of competitivity, but as a casual game, it can work out. Deal is, Brawl is rather unbalanced, there is unfinished coding, and is too slow.
      
      Although this might seem as if I support your rather selfishly exposed point, I don’t. Every player has the damn right to choose how they want to play a game. Casuals like me do get entertained when it comes to competitive play, but there is nothing that enforces competitivity; it’s not like Smash is made to be such, but such playstyle exists, and it’s there.
      
      It is the diversity of Smash that brings its uniqueness. Want to break havoc? Play with items on high on the largest stage. Want to LOL? Play a Special Brawl in the craziest way you can think (with items if you want to). Want to play seriously? Turn off a few stages, have a few rules, turn off items, and presto!
      
      That being said, I love Project M! All the Brawl content with Melee gameplay = EPIC. Been hyping ever since before the first demo, and it works just like I exposed earlier, as it can be both both casual and competitive at the same time!
      
      Again, every player has the right to choose how they want to play a game. I’m not going mad if someone plays P:M, plays Brawl, plays Melee, plays SSB64, or doesn’t play Smash at all; it is THEIR choice. It is because of people like you that most players disregard competitiveness and view it as abhorable, myself included (for a long time, not anymore though).
  - Vatnos
    
    Nybb – From my experience, I disagree with the prevailing wisdom that Smash is meant to be a casual game. I think it aims somewhere in between casual and competitive. A kind of “semi-serious” game meant for dorm tournies, deep enough to play for months and even years and keep finding new things.
    
    While the competitive community is just a few thousand players worldwide, there is a much *much* larger group of people that play it semi-seriously. Items off, 1v1, stock matches, mostly neutral stages, playing to improve at the game mostly and taking it somewhat seriously, but not at the level of skill that is needed for tournaments.
    
    This group of people that is seldom acknowledged generally hate tripping, want character balance, want combos, want strategic depth, but might also be amenable to lower technical barriers. I think Nintendo should’ve catered to this group primarily by keeping essentially all of the same techniques in Melee, but making them easier to perform. Make wavedashing easy, rather than taking it out. Add buffering (one of the good ideas in Brawl; something that a lot of proper fighters have), make the window on L-canceling larger. Allow button-mapping.
    
    Eliminating the arbitrary difficulty of some things while keeping the strategic depth should’ve been the goal. It would have appealed to all groups.
- Anonymous
  
  You are the most hilariously stereotypical competitive-Smash-snob I’ve seen for a while. You just don’t understand that the Smash series is made to be played casually, and that 99% of Smash fans like it for exactly that reason. Nobody at Nintendo gives a shit about your opinion, no matter how hard you rage and “make your voice heard” or whatever.
  
  Brawl was a well-designed, feature-packed party game that can be a lot of fun. I have no problem with random people modding it into something they enjoy more than the base game; more power to them for accomplishing such a feat. However, I do have a problem with retards like you trying to force your idiotic opinion on other people.
  
  You even managed to misuse the word “metagame.” Please, get off Smashboards and check out the rest of the world some time.
- Anonymous
  
  You are the most hilariously stereotypical competitive-Smash-snob I’ve seen for a while. You just don’t understand that the Smash series is made to be played casually, and that 99% of Smash fans like it for exactly that reason. Nobody at Nintendo gives a shit about your opinion, no matter how hard you rage and “make your voice heard” or whatever.
  
  Brawl was a well-designed, feature-packed party game that can be a lot of fun. I have no problem with random people modding it into something they enjoy more than the base game; more power to them for accomplishing such a feat. However, I do have a problem with retards like you trying to force your idiotic opinion on other people.
  
  You even managed to misuse the word “metagame.” Please, get off Smashboards and check out the rest of the world some time.
http://profile.yahoo.com/4SO3PWRZTT46A3QMBAFVRAIWME Iron Man

anybody have a video on how to actually install this with a hacked wii with homebrew?
http://profile.yahoo.com/4SO3PWRZTT46A3QMBAFVRAIWME Iron Man

anybody have a video on how to actually install this with a hacked wii with homebrew?
- http://www.facebook.com/bolton.lin Bolton Lin
  
  I had difficulty doing this because my SD card had over 2GB of memory. If you look carefully at the instructions, it makes a note that it only works on SD Cards with 2GB memory or less.
  
  If that’s not your problem, what you want to do is get copy over the files of the Homebrew package in the Downloads section to the root of your SD card, get Configurable USB Loader, set it up so that it enables Ocarina and hooks for VBI when launching SSBB, and you should be set. You will know when it works when Captain Falcon is displayed over the screen that will normally tell you to put your strap on.
http://profile.yahoo.com/4SO3PWRZTT46A3QMBAFVRAIWME Iron Man

anybody have a video on how to actually install this with a hacked wii with homebrew?
http://www.facebook.com/bolton.lin Bolton Lin

People put a lot of work and effort into this. The least you can do is try it before you dismiss a perfectly well thought-out mod with several additions and make overs of characters and.. wait why are you guys dismissing it? Smash Bros. lets you pit a variety of Nintendo characters into a deathmatch and you’re wondering why fans of this mod aren’t playing other games? If a game is fun, what’s the big deal? Put it on the SD (super easy to install and encouraged to do so on hackless Wiis) and play it for fun/seriousness or don’t play it at all. Project M makes a good attempt at leveling the playing field while introducing interesting mechanics to an already fun game.
- http://www.facebook.com/Dark.Reaper.and.Galactimus.Zero Marvin Choi
  
  That kinda magic series sounds like such a pain to use, seeing as how sensitive tilts are (and I hate binding Tilts to my C-stick).
  - http://www.facebook.com/birdinfish Alex Featheringill
    
    o.O just tilt the stick halfway, its not that hard
    - http://www.facebook.com/Dark.Reaper.and.Galactimus.Zero Marvin Choi
      
      It’s always been a weird thing for me to fully grasp since I played way more SFII and 3S before I got into Smash (where joystick inputs are all or none).
      
      The fact that even regular competitive Brawlers like binding tilt to the C-stick is indicative of its sensitivity.
      - http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephen-Hope-ross/512737277 Stephen Hope-ross
        
        I’ve always found Falcon’s dtilt amazing in smash 64
      - http://www.facebook.com/Dark.Reaper.and.Galactimus.Zero Marvin Choi
        
        But down-tilts are always hella easy.
  - http://www.facebook.com/bolton.lin Bolton Lin
    
    Well then I guess it’s up to the execution skill of the fighting game buff, wouldn’t you agree? But to be honest, it’s not as difficult as it sounds and only takes a minimal amount of practice (I am and probably always be a casual :S). Check this video out for a quick peek.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbYijHDzDXU
    - Tenmakujinkyaku
      
      swag
    - Tenmakujinkyaku
      
      swag
- http://www.facebook.com/b2j135 Brian Jones Jr
  
  lucario is too good
- http://www.facebook.com/b2j135 Brian Jones Jr
  
  lucario is too good
Anonymous

All these “why mod it when you can play X” arguments are getting old. It’s like saying “why create something fun an unique when you can play something that will never change? yay!” It’s probably the most retarded argument I’ve ever seen, not even worth the paragraph I’m writing to address it. The mod scene was around long before smash and will be long after. People can and will do what they want to moddable games and it can and will continue to be great fun to do so.
Anonymous

All these “why mod it when you can play X” arguments are getting old. It’s like saying “why create something fun an unique when you can play something that will never change? yay!” It’s probably the most retarded argument I’ve ever seen, not even worth the paragraph I’m writing to address it. The mod scene was around long before smash and will be long after. People can and will do what they want to moddable games and it can and will continue to be great fun to do so.
Anonymous

All these “why mod it when you can play X” arguments are getting old. It’s like saying “why create something fun an unique when you can play something that will never change? yay!” It’s probably the most retarded argument I’ve ever seen, not even worth the paragraph I’m writing to address it. The mod scene was around long before smash and will be long after. People can and will do what they want to moddable games and it can and will continue to be great fun to do so.
- Anonymous
  
  Yeah, especially when… Mods and Patches are the same thing!* (I just blew you mind!)
  
  *Yeah I know they technically aren’t the same, but they have the same concept in one regard; make the game better for a certain group. (That group could be the whole community though).
  - http://mystady.com/ MY STADY — mystady.com
    
    Same on a technical level.
Anonymous

All these “why mod it when you can play X” arguments are getting old. It’s like saying “why create something fun an unique when you can play something that will never change? yay!” It’s probably the most retarded argument I’ve ever seen, not even worth the paragraph I’m writing to address it. The mod scene was around long before smash and will be long after. People can and will do what they want to moddable games and it can and will continue to be great fun to do so.
Anonymous

All these “why mod it when you can play X” arguments are getting old. It’s like saying “why create something fun an unique when you can play something that will never change? yay!” It’s probably the most retarded argument I’ve ever seen, not even worth the paragraph I’m writing to address it. The mod scene was around long before smash and will be long after. People can and will do what they want to moddable games and it can and will continue to be great fun to do so.
Anonymous

Even if you’re not competitive with Smash, this adds more stages, the characters are all designed better and with more fun animations/ Easter eggs.
- Louis Lam
  
  This is what everybody seems to be missing.
Anonymous

Even if you’re not competitive with Smash, this adds more stages, the characters are all designed better and with more fun animations/ Easter eggs.
http://www.facebook.com/jtjolsen Jacob Tjolsen

Brawl- will always be best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_2cDaAQYdE
- http://www.facebook.com/spongejordan123 Jordan Bartel
  
  JT WITH DUH P:M HATE!
  
  Yeah, these mods are seriously intense. Typically, before these large projects like Brawl+, Brawl-, Project M, etc came out, we basically had to make our own packages, like what most people do with textures in the game. This is way easier, and its just given to you, bug free. That’s something else entirely. They successfully turned a crazy game and made it EVEN CRAZIER, and you don’t even need to test it, just play.
  
  I know that doesn’t sound like much, but considering where we were at two years ago, the brawl modding scene has seriously budded into something different. Like, I’ve been apart of many modding scenes and few have such a knowledgeable following.
- http://www.facebook.com/spongejordan123 Jordan Bartel
  
  JT WITH DUH P:M HATE!
  
  Yeah, these mods are seriously intense. Typically, before these large projects like Brawl+, Brawl-, Project M, etc came out, we basically had to make our own packages, like what most people do with textures in the game. This is way easier, and its just given to you, bug free. That’s something else entirely. They successfully turned a crazy game and made it EVEN CRAZIER, and you don’t even need to test it, just play.
  
  I know that doesn’t sound like much, but considering where we were at two years ago, the brawl modding scene has seriously budded into something different. Like, I’ve been apart of many modding scenes and few have such a knowledgeable following.
- http://www.facebook.com/spongejordan123 Jordan Bartel
  
  JT WITH DUH P:M HATE!
  
  Yeah, these mods are seriously intense. Typically, before these large projects like Brawl+, Brawl-, Project M, etc came out, we basically had to make our own packages, like what most people do with textures in the game. This is way easier, and its just given to you, bug free. That’s something else entirely. They successfully turned a crazy game and made it EVEN CRAZIER, and you don’t even need to test it, just play.
  
  I know that doesn’t sound like much, but considering where we were at two years ago, the brawl modding scene has seriously budded into something different. Like, I’ve been apart of many modding scenes and few have such a knowledgeable following.
Anonymous

Useable Captain Falcon? I am in.
http://twitter.com/dethgarcia Eder García

this is a step back, but smash community is raping melee’s corpse for years
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Iris-Repliforce/100001201063895 Iris Repliforce
  
  I guess playing sf2 still is bad then. Better go buy sf x tekken now
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Iris-Repliforce/100001201063895 Iris Repliforce
  
  I guess playing sf2 still is bad then. Better go buy sf x tekken now
http://www.facebook.com/people/Kevi-Johnson-el/100001847029873 Kevi Johnson-el

lol they gotta mod to make the game comp?
http://twitter.com/DanCiTi Dan Citriniti

All this stuff with combos and stuff with Smash Bros, thinking of it like a traditional fighting game, just gives me a bad feeling in my stomach – just feels wrong and very weird. Though tripping is still stupid. And Lucas better be in Smash Wii U.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Diego-Leal/100002158712421 Diego Leal
  
  1. Combos existed in 64 and Melee.
  
  2. There’s no tripping in Project M.
  - http://twitter.com/DanCiTi Dan Citriniti
    
    Yeah but extended combos just feel odd and unnatural in a Smash Bros. game seeing extended juggles and stuff just looks hacked to me.
    - Nathan Buth
      
      Didn’t Marth and Roy both have extended combo-ish type moves in Melee. Marth did again to a lesser extent in brawl but they were still there I believe. I agree though to an extent. Pre-programmed extended combos aren’t really the style of SSB and I have always felt that that was part of the fun, you made your own combos from the ground up. That being said I will probably buy a small SD just for the purpose of trying this out. :D
    - Anonymous
      
      Extended combos feel unnatural in Smash? Did you ever play Smash 64?
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csFGUsGAYWI&feature=plcp&context=C422f4f2VDvjVQa1PpcFMSMD_P-3tv3HffiKYiabf81pm-OEF9p7o=
    - Anonymous
      
      Extended combos feel unnatural in Smash? Did you ever play Smash 64?
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csFGUsGAYWI&feature=plcp&context=C422f4f2VDvjVQa1PpcFMSMD_P-3tv3HffiKYiabf81pm-OEF9p7o=
    - Anonymous
      
      Extended combos feel unnatural in Smash? Did you ever play Smash 64?
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csFGUsGAYWI&feature=plcp&context=C422f4f2VDvjVQa1PpcFMSMD_P-3tv3HffiKYiabf81pm-OEF9p7o=
    - Anonymous
      
      Extended combos feel unnatural in Smash? Did you ever play Smash 64?
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csFGUsGAYWI&feature=plcp&context=C422f4f2VDvjVQa1PpcFMSMD_P-3tv3HffiKYiabf81pm-OEF9p7o=
    - Anonymous
      
      Extended combos feel unnatural in Smash? Did you ever play Smash 64?
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csFGUsGAYWI&feature=plcp&context=C422f4f2VDvjVQa1PpcFMSMD_P-3tv3HffiKYiabf81pm-OEF9p7o=
    - Anonymous
      
      Extended combos feel unnatural in Smash? Did you ever play Smash 64?
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csFGUsGAYWI&feature=plcp&context=C422f4f2VDvjVQa1PpcFMSMD_P-3tv3HffiKYiabf81pm-OEF9p7o=
    - Anonymous
      
      Extended combos feel unnatural in Smash? Did you ever play Smash 64?
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csFGUsGAYWI&feature=plcp&context=C422f4f2VDvjVQa1PpcFMSMD_P-3tv3HffiKYiabf81pm-OEF9p7o=
    - Anonymous
      
      Extended combos feel unnatural in Smash? Did you ever play Smash 64?
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csFGUsGAYWI&feature=plcp&context=C422f4f2VDvjVQa1PpcFMSMD_P-3tv3HffiKYiabf81pm-OEF9p7o=
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Diego-Leal/100002158712421 Diego Leal
  
  1. Combos existed in 64 and Melee.
  
  2. There’s no tripping in Project M.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Diego-Leal/100002158712421 Diego Leal
  
  1. Combos existed in 64 and Melee.
  
  2. There’s no tripping in Project M.
- Louis Lam
  
  LOL Have you ever even played Smash 64? That shit has like 5 hours of hitstun on every move, and it’s the original Smash Bros.
http://twitter.com/DanCiTi Dan Citriniti

All this stuff with combos and stuff with Smash Bros, thinking of it like a traditional fighting game, just gives me a bad feeling in my stomach – just feels wrong and very weird. Though tripping is still stupid. And Lucas better be in Smash Wii U.
http://twitter.com/DJGrimbles alex gomory

I’m still waiting for Rainbow Edition
http://twitter.com/DJGrimbles alex gomory

I’m still waiting for Rainbow Edition
http://twitter.com/DJGrimbles alex gomory

I’m still waiting for Rainbow Edition
Anonymous

No thanks. I never understood the attachment to melee. Is wavedashing that important? Brawl is a way better game IMO.
- http://twitter.com/Combo_Knight Davonte Jeffers
  
  the issue is more along the line of Brawls system and balancing that causes problems for players. If you’ve been enriched in melee and then get brawl dumped on you, you’ll notice the difference.
  
  Anywho Finally Jceaser and Project M backroom took you guys long enough!
- Mizter Business
  
  Time to wake up, honey
  - http://twitter.com/SOUTHWESTOUTLAW SOUTHWEST OUTLAWS
    
    He is awake, maybe you should try waking up 0:
    - Mizter Business
      
      Sick burn brah
    - Mizter Business
      
      Sick burn brah
    - Anonymous
      
      she*
  - http://twitter.com/SOUTHWESTOUTLAW SOUTHWEST OUTLAWS
    
    He is awake, maybe you should try waking up 0:
  - Anonymous
    
    Wake up to what? A 10 year old game running on 15-30FPS with a broken system that was been played to death even before Brawl released. I’m a huge fan of the series and i feel like brawl was a step up. It’s meant to be a four player fighting game not a 1v1. Melee players want the game to be something it isn’t.
    - Mizter Business
      
      “Melee players want the game to be something it isn’t.”
      
      and now it is! you don’t have to play it, just stick with your vanilla party game and let us play the competitive version
    - Mizter Business
      
      “Melee players want the game to be something it isn’t.”
      
      and now it is! you don’t have to play it, just stick with your vanilla party game and let us play the competitive version
- http://twitter.com/SOUTHWESTOUTLAW SOUTHWEST OUTLAWS
  
  I completely agree with you! Can’t wait to play Skullgirls (:
- http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor
  
  Not just wavedashing.
  
  There are a bunch of little nuances that gave it lasting appeal in some circles.
  
  Just like pretty much any other fighting game.
  - Anonymous
    
    I see.
    
    BTW its nice to see an intelligent comment here on srk every once in a while
  - Anonymous
    
    I see.
    
    BTW its nice to see an intelligent comment here on srk every once in a while
- http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor
  
  Not just wavedashing.
  
  There are a bunch of little nuances that gave it lasting appeal in some circles.
  
  Just like pretty much any other fighting game.
- http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor
  
  Not just wavedashing.
  
  There are a bunch of little nuances that gave it lasting appeal in some circles.
  
  Just like pretty much any other fighting game.
- Adrian Arguelles
  
  No thanks. I never understood the attachment to Brawl. Is tripping that important? Melee is a way better game IMO.
- Adrian Arguelles
  
  No thanks. I never understood the attachment to Brawl. Is tripping that important? Melee is a way better game IMO.
http://twitter.com/SRKJD J.D Gonzalez

Even if its better, no tournament with serious sponsors will ever play a hacked version of a game.
Its simply doomed to die because of that.
- Mizter Business
  
  Who cares, i just want a melee 2 to play with my friends
- http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor
  
  None of this is about money.
  
  What gave you the idea that a modding team wanted to push this into eSportsAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa-land?
- http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor
  
  None of this is about money.
  
  What gave you the idea that a modding team wanted to push this into eSportsAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa-land?
- http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor
  
  None of this is about money.
  
  What gave you the idea that a modding team wanted to push this into eSportsAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa-land?
http://twitter.com/Ruffaelle_ Ruffaelle

I’m really hoping someone replies to this,

I figured i’d ask this question here since everyone on SRK knows their fighting games better than I do.

I’ve been playing Smash Bros since the first, casually. I view it as a party game and i never really thought of it being in the same league as Street Fighter given the way the game was made and everything else about it.

But I’ve gotten to this argument before with my friends and i lose every time.

Can someone please give me a legitimate reason why Brawl is so shit, why we can’t be competitive on it? why it isn’t a real fighting game? What works and what doesn’t work? Just everything i need to know about Brawl.

The game has been out for 4 or 5 years but I never really took it on a competitive level, and I never knew people did.
- Mizter Business
  
  It’s slow.
  It’s unbalanced.
  It’s random.
  It’s not melee.
  - Nathan Buth
    
    Forgive me if I am wrong but a certain amount of each of those almost go into every fighting game. I may be slower paced than melee but it still is faster than a lot of fighting games to me simply because you can learn it without looking at a moves list. It is random if you play with items on to an extent but that extent is controllable. Even tripping has a system to it. And no duh it is not melee. Would you have preferred them to just rerelease the exact same game again? XD
    - Mizter Business
      
      Not the same game, just the same physics.
    - Mizter Business
      
      Not the same game, just the same physics.
  - http://www.facebook.com/LooseW Javier Chavez
    
    Sounds like Hsien-Ko.
- Anonymous
  
  Probably one of the biggest things about it is that the game isn’t physically dynamic. Brawl at the competitive level tends to encourage you to space to the veeery edges of your hitboxes, and zone your opponent out, *especially* if your character happens to have projectiles. In other games, including the previous two in the Smash series, camping, zoning and “footsies” are very transient, because the games’ mechanics allow you to try getting in without putting yourself at undue risk for doing so. In Brawl, these elements tend to be pervasive throughout the entire match. Consequently, matches take much longer than in any other fighting game, and have large pockets of monotony, harshly detracting from it being as much fun to play OR watch.The creator of the game also tried to simplify the gameplay overall, purposely removing elements that gave you a lot of control and customization over your offensive and defensive options (L-canceling, crouch canceling, wavedashing, etc.). While these made it a lot easier for people to get into the Brawl at the competitive level, it had the tragic side effect of removing a great deal of depth from the game as well. What Project M is trying to do, from what I can see, is put some of that back in.
  - Anonymous
    
    Thank you for the detailed explanation!
- Anonymous
  
  Probably one of the biggest things about it is that the game isn’t physically dynamic. Brawl at the competitive level tends to encourage you to space to the veeery edges of your hitboxes, and zone your opponent out, *especially* if your character happens to have projectiles. In other games, including the previous two in the Smash series, camping, zoning and “footsies” are very transient, because the games’ mechanics allow you to try getting in without putting yourself at undue risk for doing so. In Brawl, these elements tend to be pervasive throughout the entire match. Consequently, matches take much longer than in any other fighting game, and have large pockets of monotony, harshly detracting from it being as much fun to play OR watch.The creator of the game also tried to simplify the gameplay overall, purposely removing elements that gave you a lot of control and customization over your offensive and defensive options (L-canceling, crouch canceling, wavedashing, etc.). While these made it a lot easier for people to get into the Brawl at the competitive level, it had the tragic side effect of removing a great deal of depth from the game as well. What Project M is trying to do, from what I can see, is put some of that back in.
http://twitter.com/Xeroxhands Sky

I’ll never fully understand the utter hatred against the smash community.

In the PC community, people have been modding popular games for as long as I can remember to make them competitive. Now granted, PC games tend to lend themselves to this sort of attitude being that they already exist on a platform capable of altering the game code, but for those people involved with smash, a cheap SD Card is not a terrible amount to ask of them (and much cheaper opposed to, say, the SF4 model of Vanilla, Super, AE).

The game should have been better out of the box, no doubt, but if their community can agree on a modified version then who cares?

I don’t even play/like any version of Smash Bros., but the people complaining on these boards need to seriously grow up a little.
Cameron Parkey

if you have to make this many changes to a game to make it competitive then it shouldn’t be played as such. if i was Nintendo or one of the developers I’d find this pretty insulting.
Cameron Parkey

if you have to make this many changes to a game to make it competitive then it shouldn’t be played as such. if i was Nintendo or one of the developers I’d find this pretty insulting.
- Anonymous
  
  Your last sentence is dumb. People have been modding games on the PC forever.
- Anonymous
  
  Your last sentence is dumb. People have been modding games on the PC forever.
- http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor
  
  You would be insulted to have a dedicated modding community supporting your game?
  
  You’re so backwards.
- http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor
  
  You would be insulted to have a dedicated modding community supporting your game?
  
  You’re so backwards.
- http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor
  
  You would be insulted to have a dedicated modding community supporting your game?
  
  You’re so backwards.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Muller/519449496 Ryan Muller

WAIT! Why only 29 characters? Did they purposely choose to leave some characters out. Finish it modding it to a full game.
- http://www.facebook.com/bolton.lin Bolton Lin
  
  They are constantly updating Project M and releasing characters back into the fray periodically. At the moment they are busy balancing and re-imagining the missing characters.
- http://www.facebook.com/bolton.lin Bolton Lin
  
  They are constantly updating Project M and releasing characters back into the fray periodically. At the moment they are busy balancing and re-imagining the missing characters.
- Louis Lam
  
  Read the title please.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Muller/519449496 Ryan Muller

WAIT! Why only 29 characters? Did they purposely choose to leave some characters out. Finish it modding it to a full game.
http://twitter.com/SOUTHWESTOUTLAW SOUTHWEST OUTLAWS

I never liked melee.
Brawl is IMO the most fun game I’ve ever and I attend tournaments weekly because I happen to love the competition in the game.
I will definitely try out this Project M!!!
By the way I love the smash community(64, melee, and Brawl) <3
http://twitter.com/SOUTHWESTOUTLAW SOUTHWEST OUTLAWS

I never liked melee.
Brawl is IMO the most fun game I’ve ever and I attend tournaments weekly because I happen to love the competition in the game.
I will definitely try out this Project M!!!
By the way I love the smash community(64, melee, and Brawl) <3
http://twitter.com/SOUTHWESTOUTLAW SOUTHWEST OUTLAWS

I never liked melee.
Brawl is IMO the most fun game I’ve ever and I attend tournaments weekly because I happen to love the competition in the game.
I will definitely try out this Project M!!!
By the way I love the smash community(64, melee, and Brawl) <3
http://twitter.com/SOUTHWESTOUTLAW SOUTHWEST OUTLAWS

I never liked melee.
Brawl is IMO the most fun game I’ve ever and I attend tournaments weekly because I happen to love the competition in the game.
I will definitely try out this Project M!!!
By the way I love the smash community(64, melee, and Brawl) <3
http://twitter.com/MaximumHibler Max Hibler

Just got done with a 5 hour crack session of this with some of my friends. This is the truth! Regardless of what you think of these types of games or how bad brawl is, this just goes to show how good games can get if the players were in charge of shaping the meta/balance of games, rather than devs. Imagine if we were able to make changes like these to Marvel 3.
- http://twitter.com/PKthaArtisan P.K. Wilson
  
  INdeed^^^
  Brawl was a epic failure in terms of its mechanics (see tripping) It was the most extreme mechanics changes i’ve ever seen compared to mario 1-mario 2..lol Im thinkinng in 5years someone will have balanced mvc3 with mechanics that worked returning from mvc2 like techrolls, removal of x-factor and shrinking of hitboxes, hitconfirms windows etc. Im sorry im all for improving a game. If its taken serious by a community
Anonymous

I’ve always thought this was really sad
Anonymous

I’ve always thought this was really sad
Anonymous

Finally some Smash news worth posting about. Project M is so godlike.
Anonymous

I’ll try this out…just as soon as I find my SD card adapter…

It’s been so long.
Mizter Business

Only played it for 10 minutes and this is already the sequel I’ve been looking for. Welcome back melee! Great job, Project M team!
http://twitter.com/Tuen Erick

News post about Skullgirls, SFxT, SF4:2012… 30 comments.

News post about Smash Bros (game the FCG pretty much hates): 100 comments.

LoL!
http://twitter.com/Tuen Erick

News post about Skullgirls, SFxT, SF4:2012… 30 comments.

News post about Smash Bros (game the FCG pretty much hates): 100 comments.

LoL!
http://twitter.com/Tuen Erick

News post about Skullgirls, SFxT, SF4:2012… 30 comments.

News post about Smash Bros (game the FCG pretty much hates): 100 comments.

LoL!
http://www.facebook.com/TatsuyaShioshi Darrell Seven

Why does Brawl need to be competitive again? Like this is really awesome and all but Brawl was made for goofy ass fun, not for people to spend a year trying to learn hitboxes and invincibility frames and whatever else. Leave that to Street Fighter.
http://www.facebook.com/TatsuyaShioshi Darrell Seven

Why does Brawl need to be competitive again? Like this is really awesome and all but Brawl was made for goofy ass fun, not for people to spend a year trying to learn hitboxes and invincibility frames and whatever else. Leave that to Street Fighter.
Louis Lam

project M is hella sick even in 4 player free-for-all with items on, it’s got a shit ton of revamped characters and new stages and all you need to do is copy and paste it onto your SD card and load up your Wii. Why not give it a try?
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=775435315 Luis Martinez-Li

might get it just to play with friends

honestly all melee players are looking for is another game that plays like melee; there isn’t a single fighting game out there like melee, which is why ppl still play it.
Anonymous

I see lots of pointless bickering here about stances on this Mod or it’s fate and not what actually matters… is it any good?

This new Project M demo is without a doubt the most polished, seamless, and fluid rendition of Smash to date. The number of character specific move revisions is easily comparable to the jump from Melee to Brawl, except they actually feel more purposeful and less cosmetic (though the new animations look fantastic).
If you enjoy Smash at all, this is worth playing. Hold off on your prior judgments about it being Melee with a Brawl skin, with all the positive changes, it’s really not hard to imagine this as a new installment in the series. I’d go as far to say it sets the bar pretty damn high for SSB4 now that fans can point to all the ways this Mod succeeds where the next game may falter.
http://profile.yahoo.com/4KATZ2PUFIGDUYJK6KUZX3SFQQ Pyro Gen

A news update about a hacked Smash game. SRK has gone to shit and back.
http://profile.yahoo.com/4KATZ2PUFIGDUYJK6KUZX3SFQQ Pyro Gen

A news update about a hacked Smash game. SRK has gone to shit and back.
Russell Mootsey

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Russell Mootsey

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Russell Mootsey

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Russell Mootsey

@Pyro Gen

you’re an idiot.

it’s people like this, with their completely close-minded opinions and ridiculous judgment that don’t deserve to be able to voice their opinion.

regardless of what anyone says, melee is a fighting game. i don’t care
what the original intent of the game was, but it doesn’t matter. how many games out there have been designed to be much more casual than they are but turn out to be complex? i can think of quite a few. how many techniques in cs 1.6 were discovered that weren’t intended? THE best team-based FPS game in history.

i’ve played other fighting games, not on a competitive level, but casually, and no other one interestes me as much as melee does. that’s just what i enjoy, and if you don’t like playing it, more power to you, but don’t mindlessly bash something when you have no idea what you are talking about. it’s just ignorant.

bringing cs 1.6 back into topic, this game was originally a fan-made MOD of half-life. a mod. this game wasn’t supported by valve themselves until it became the extremely popular game that it did. but it began as something some people created for fun and blew up from there. there is nothing wrong with a modification of a game that people enjoy over the vanilla version. if you don’t like it, don’t play it.

brawl is great for what it was meant to be, i won’t deny that. but making a game competitive will /not/ cause it to be any less casual. people who want a fun party game will not enjoy it any less. the casual community LOVED melee. they only switched to brawl because it was shiny and new and had extra characters, not because mele was more competitive.

brawl has too many random elements, too many dumbed down mechanics and too much emphasis on camping and playing like a retard to be nearly as competitive as melee.

anyone who has no idea what they’re talking about will always say something like “oh, just because brawl doesn’t have wavedashing you faggots don’t like it?”. you’re being clueless and acting like you know what you’re talknig about when you really don’t, simple as.

melee is such a deep and technical game, and wavedashing has just a fraction to do with it, it’s just an extra tool for some spacing and mindgames.that’s like saying cs 1.6 is only 50x better than source because of crouch hopping.

blah, i hate some people.
Adrian Arguelles

Since there are extreme amounts of ignorance towards Smash, I’d just like to say one thing. You want to play your casual game? Sure go play Brawl, but don’t bash the fucking game when we try to make it competitive. So case in point, try it if you want, but Shut the hell up if you got nothing good to say. As the saying goes; if you have nothing good to say just don’t say it.
Adrian Arguelles

Since there are extreme amounts of ignorance towards Smash, I’d just like to say one thing. You want to play your casual game? Sure go play Brawl, but don’t bash the fucking game when we try to make it competitive. So case in point, try it if you want, but Shut the hell up if you got nothing good to say. As the saying goes; if you have nothing good to say just don’t say it.
http://www.facebook.com/Fragbait Edward Orndorff

>is arguably more fun

Nice show of non-bias there, author.
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