Skullgirls Will Be Patched With Movelists and DLC If The Game Sells Well

by Delriach on April 10th, 2012 at 10:53 am

As you may have already heard, Skullgirls does not feature an in-game movelist to see your character’s commands. Mike Z revealed on UltraChen TV last night that this option was omitted in favor of working on more advanced features that can’t be easily downloaded. The developers simply didn’t have enough time to add everything in time for the game’s launch and movelists were not as much of a priority. Training mode input display is also something that would be patched in. However, the game needs to sell well enough to justify a patch since Sony and Microsoft charge a hosting fee. It was also revealed that a PC version is still in development. Mike Z seems confident that they’ll at least make enough money to release a patch and DLC (which includes male characters), but we’ll have to wait and see.

Although it’s a shame that we won’t be able to see movelists in-game, a PDF version will be available to download straight from the Skullgirls website. The Shoryuken wiki was also updated with the movelists for each character and so much more. Definitely check it out.

Mike Z discusses future DLC and patches about 1:45 into the archive below.

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Source: UltraChen TV

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5FLRQI2X2LU3IHMCG7HEAEFD5I Cat Astrophy

Not having a movelist in-game is going to hurt casuals recommending the game to others. Patch it in regardless. Don’t put yourself in a Catch-22 situation. There’s a lot of essential stuff that could have been in. DLC chars are about the only thing that should be contingent on sales. I’m sure you’ll sell enough the first week to cover hosting costs anyway.
- http://twitter.com/Cdore101 El Cor
  
  I agree, Cat. It seems like they’re rushing the release rather than taking another week to put in a movelist. “Implementing” it isn’t difficult. And the fact that they are going to patch it in is another sign that it probably takes a weekend to get it done, if they have not done it already. But hey, people need to learn on their own. If their game doesn’t sell or review well because of this reason, then it’s their own fault.
  
  I also hope they looked at the past mistakes of fighting games, and now allow people to press the button of their choice for each button in game instead of MvC’s and SF4′s crappy button choosing system.
  - http://twitter.com/LoyalSol Troy Loeffler
    
    They aren’t rushing it in typical game company fashion. They don’t have the resources to sit around and wait. They are a small company which is making no income till they actually sell the game.
    
    People need to understand the economics of a small business and not assume they have infinite resources like Capcom.
    - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5FLRQI2X2LU3IHMCG7HEAEFD5I Cat Astrophy
      
      Work a real job until there is income from the project. Work on this during all your spare time. A lot of startups do this. It’s called reality.
      - Anonymous
        
        lol
      - Anonymous
        
        Are you serious? Yes fund a game and a small company by getting 10 bucks an hour.
      - http://www.squidoo.com/fightinggamesonline fighting games online
        
        he is dead serious I plan to do the same.
      - Anonymous
        
        How is he not serious? I worked for a catering company 60+ hours a week while building my DJ/Photography/Minister company (putting in an extra 20-30 hours a week on that) Now I get $1,700-$3,000 a wedding but it wasn’t like that for the first 5 years. Shit takes time and sacrifice. I laugh at people who piss and moan about working 40 hrs a week because there has been WEEKENDS I have worked 53 hrs
      - http://twitter.com/tayl1r Alexander Taylor
        
        There are 48 hours total in a weekend.
      - Eric Nguyen
        
        Is he counting Friday Night too?
      - http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Zaimont/732839308 Michael Zaimont
        
        (We’re above the reply threshold, so this is to JasinWalraven and I guess you too, Cat.)
        You, I am sorry to say, are unqualified to speak on the subject of our dedication. I worked on this in ALL my free time while working at Pandemic. Then once we got signed I worked evenings and weekends for over a _year and a half_, with many MANY 100+ hour weeks. However, my efforts could have been equaled or surpassed if we had the ability to hire 50 talented people to work regular hours doing my job. THAT’s reality.
        
        Some choices are the lesser of two necessary evils. Skipping GGPO or not having button config on the character select, for example, aren’t fixable by putting a PDF up on a web site. You’d be complaining just as hard about those if they were missing, but unable to fix the omission for yourself.
      - http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Schneider/584412916 Justin Schneider
        
        I am going to be honest and say the title is pretty misleading, because it makes it sound like you guys are withholding it to get more sells. This is of course is a stupid idea.
        
        While I am not myself too interested in the game, I plan on buying ti solely to support the development. Congrats on the finish.
      - http://www.facebook.com/morgansuhm Morgan Suhm
        
        Thank you, Mike. Your hard work has paid off with an amazing game that has been worth the wait.
      - http://www.facebook.com/morgansuhm Morgan Suhm
        
        Thank you, Mike. Your hard work has paid off with an amazing game that has been worth the wait.
      - Anonymous
        
        I don’t get it why you play the victim card, no one’s trying to poke your eyes out. You should be a little more humble.
      - http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Zaimont/732839308 Michael Zaimont
        
        (We’re above the reply threshold, so this is to JasinWalraven and I guess you too, Cat.)
        You, I am sorry to say, are unqualified to speak on the subject of our dedication. I worked on this in ALL my free time while working at Pandemic. Then once we got signed I worked evenings and weekends for over a _year and a half_, with many MANY 100+ hour weeks. However, my efforts could have been equaled or surpassed if we had the ability to hire 50 talented people to work regular hours doing my job. THAT’s reality.
        
        Some choices are the lesser of two necessary evils. Skipping GGPO or not having button config on the character select, for example, aren’t fixable by putting a PDF up on a web site. You’d be complaining just as hard about those if they were missing, but unable to fix the omission for yourself.
    - Anonymous
      
      I wonder if they would have pre-sold if they would have been able to get the income needed.
      - http://www.facebook.com/people/Ray-Jones/100000232905992 Ray Jones
        
        this game so hype
      - Anonymous
        
        definitely would have helped, that’s the idea behind pre-orders. Being paid in advance is always better than on time. Plus I’m pretty sure whoever planned on getting the game %100 day one would have paid in advance assuming they understand the business aspect of a pre-rder
  - http://twitter.com/tayl1r Alexander Taylor
    
    It’s ready to be patched because Reverge Labs have been working on a patch and DLC since Sony and Microsoft stamped it.
    
    Your assumption that features that come in patches “probably take a weekend to get done” is rather off-base. MikeZ doesn’t just type stuff at his workstation and click upload; a scrollable list of moves wouldn’t take long, no, but this needs to be localised, tested, potentially bug-fixed and retested, passed through the publisher, passed through Sony/Microsofts approval processes and, most importantly, paid for.
- Anonymous
  
  They would patch it in regardless, but the issue would be having to pay MS and Sony to patch and host… which in order to have the money to do that, it needs to sell. I’m pretty sure if money wasn’t an issue it would be just patched in regardless of sales.
  - Yuko Asho
    
    Why is it not there to start with? This isn’t 1994 anymore – there’s no excuse not to have such basic tools in a fighting game nowadays.
    - Anonymous
      
      read above…
    - Anonymous
      
      read above…
    - Anonymous
      
      Read above…
- Anonymous
  
  Practically shooting yourself in teh foot. This shit is going to end up like SF 3rd.
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Zaimont/732839308 Michael Zaimont
    
    Nice to have the real “you” back. :^)
    - Art Sir
      
      hey mike i think you did a great job with the game, no movelist is no big deal, I think people forgot you have hit boxes and stun gauges in training mode and proper button configs which i think are a huge plus. Don’t listen to these internet whiners.
      - http://www.facebook.com/people/Ray-Jones/100000232905992 Ray Jones
        
        seems they have access to the internet why not use the link they provide to their website i downloaded a pdf file with all the moves took only a minute stop being lazy folks
      - http://www.facebook.com/people/Ray-Jones/100000232905992 Ray Jones
        
        seems they have access to the internet why not use the link they provide to their website i downloaded a pdf file with all the moves took only a minute stop being lazy folks
    - http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Yarbrough/100001113403212 Chris Yarbrough
      
      First, I’d like to say thank you and everyone that worked on this game!
      
      Second, it really hurts me that nobody knows how to compromise. The people whining about the lack of a movelist need to learn to work around that. I thought it was done on purpose to encourage players to make their own combos, with the hitboxes and stun guages. I mean who wants to do the same shit over and over again? Yes, a list of the special moves would’ve be nice, but it’s on the skullgirls website, so ignore the cry’ers. They bought the game and I bet they’re still playing it.
      
      Thirdly, I love you guys for the custom soundtrack! That should be mandatory for every new ps3 game!
    - http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Yarbrough/100001113403212 Chris Yarbrough
      
      First, I’d like to say thank you and everyone that worked on this game!
      
      Second, it really hurts me that nobody knows how to compromise. The people whining about the lack of a movelist need to learn to work around that. I thought it was done on purpose to encourage players to make their own combos, with the hitboxes and stun guages. I mean who wants to do the same shit over and over again? Yes, a list of the special moves would’ve be nice, but it’s on the skullgirls website, so ignore the cry’ers. They bought the game and I bet they’re still playing it.
      
      Thirdly, I love you guys for the custom soundtrack! That should be mandatory for every new ps3 game!
  - http://twitter.com/The2ndJoker Jahmere Durham
    
    What up Mitt!
- http://twitter.com/DevilJin01 Devil Jin
  
  Casuals know how to use the internet.
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5FLRQI2X2LU3IHMCG7HEAEFD5I Cat Astrophy
    
    They also know how to play something else because basic features are missing. Hardcore fighters are willing to put forth the extra effort because they don’t really play anything else.
    - http://twitter.com/DevilJin01 Devil Jin
      
      Nobody so casual that they won’t use the internet is gonna buy this game to begin with.
      - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5FLRQI2X2LU3IHMCG7HEAEFD5I Cat Astrophy
        
        Most of my friends don’t lurk wikis or internet forums to play their games. They use what’s built-in and have fun. I’m not wrong in stating that this is the common fact of casual gamers. You’re not offering a lot of incentive to get paid by telling people they have to do extra work just to enjoy it.
      - Anonymous
        
        It’s not much effort to look and even if times have changed it doesn’t mean people have to be lazy. Heck just go into training and press buttons and BAM you learned something…
      - Anonymous
        
        Why are you trying to hate on this game. When I played fighting games casually, I didn’t even bother to look at movelists provided in the system. Play to have fun right? If you want to learn, you can figure out the moves on your own. If you just play for fun, trying random stuff against friends is fun. Who stops in the middle of a versus match to look at movelists? If that is your only argument, try again.
      - Anonymous
        
        he is right though. Sure it’s not hard to search a pdf, but fact is most people are bums at heart. I don’t mean tha in a bad way, I know I am.
        The second someone can’t figure out the moves either a) they google it or b) they don’t care and just give up, but that probably doesn’t matter anyways. If they bought it ou already have their money xD
      - Anonymous
        
        he is right though. Sure it’s not hard to search a pdf, but fact is most people are bums at heart. I don’t mean tha in a bad way, I know I am.
        The second someone can’t figure out the moves either a) they google it or b) they don’t care and just give up, but that probably doesn’t matter anyways. If they bought it ou already have their money xD
      - http://www.facebook.com/Dark.Reaper.and.Galactimus.Zero Marvin Choi
        
        Most of my friends don’t fuck around with move lists when they first start playing a game, they just play the fucking game. Casuals don’t really give a shit about move lists, they just want to play without having their time wasted.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Zaimont/732839308 Michael Zaimont
  
  Hi.
  The way games as a BUSINESS work is that first, publishers recoup all the money they have previously spent, THEN the developers get money. If the publisher feels like it isn’t worth supporting, it’s out of our hands completely.
  It’s not a DECISION. If they lose money to the point where we CAN’T update the game because there isn’t any profit to spend having MS and Sony host the patch or even pay bills, then we won’t update it. Otherwise, we will. Why do people make this sound like some plotting scheme to bilk people out of money? ”Muahahaha, now I don’t have to update the game I’m proud of”….wtf…
  - Anonymous
    
    Because the loud and vocal minority do think just because you are a business that you have an infinite supply of cash and that it is unfair that you are not just giving it away. As a consumer I am unhappy a move list wasn’t included, but not unhappy enough to stop me from buying it today for my PS3 and tomorrow for my 360. Online play is smooth and the game is fun
    - http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Zaimont/732839308 Michael Zaimont
      
      Both?! Well wow, thanks! ::blushes::
      
      (We are providing the move list, btw, both in the PDF we put online and in that when it does get patched it’ll be free.)
      - http://www.facebook.com/people/Ray-Jones/100000232905992 Ray Jones
        
        man this game is a blast you and your team did a hell of a job FUCK THE HATERS the pdf file only takes a few seconds problem solved stop being lazy folks
      - Anonymous
        
        Keeping what you said above in mind, I do wish the best for your game (will definitely look into getting a copy myself). I hope that it is popular (read:profitable) enough that you will be able to work in the move-list as well as all the other DLC plans you have. After all, more content = more fun.
        
        Congratulations!
      - Anonymous
        
        Keeping what you said above in mind, I do wish the best for your game (will definitely look into getting a copy myself). I hope that it is popular (read:profitable) enough that you will be able to work in the move-list as well as all the other DLC plans you have. After all, more content = more fun.
        
        Congratulations!
    - http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Zaimont/732839308 Michael Zaimont
      
      Both?! Well wow, thanks! ::blushes::
      
      (We are providing the move list, btw, both in the PDF we put online and in that when it does get patched it’ll be free.)
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5FLRQI2X2LU3IHMCG7HEAEFD5I Cat Astrophy

Not having a movelist in-game is going to hurt casuals recommending the game to others. Patch it in regardless. Don’t put yourself in a Catch-22 situation. There’s a lot of essential stuff that could have been in. DLC chars are about the only thing that should be contingent on sales. I’m sure you’ll sell enough the first week to cover hosting costs anyway.
Anonymous

Fuck move lists. We’ll do it the old school way
- Moribund Cadaver
  
  If “move lists” are what make or break “hardcore” gamers, then the hardcore are possibly the greatest pretenders to the throne of all.
- Moribund Cadaver
  
  If “move lists” are what make or break “hardcore” gamers, then the hardcore are possibly the greatest pretenders to the throne of all.
  - http://twitter.com/Thiediev Kristoph
    
    I just imagine like, fanatiq and combofiend on the ground crying and screaming in desperate agony, unable to process this game because of no in-game movelists.
  - http://twitter.com/Thiediev Kristoph
    
    I just imagine like, fanatiq and combofiend on the ground crying and screaming in desperate agony, unable to process this game because of no in-game movelists.
  - No One
    
    Because attempting half rotations, charge inputs, hadoken and shoryuken
    inputs to see if they do anything is impossible I guess
    - http://twitter.com/Cdore101 El Cor
      
      Say that to Mortal Kombat.
      - http://www.facebook.com/people/Nic-Holley/1371451240 Nic Holley
        
        hahahahaha
    - Anonymous
      
      I’m hardcore, hardcore lazy.
    - http://www.facebook.com/people/Almeson-Hoku-James/100000479628267 Almeson Hoku James
      
      RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGIIIIINNNNNNNNGGGGG.
      
      STOOORMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
      
      has something to say.
    - http://www.facebook.com/people/Almeson-Hoku-James/100000479628267 Almeson Hoku James
      
      RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGIIIIINNNNNNNNGGGGG.
      
      STOOORMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
      
      has something to say.
      - Anonymous
        
        I guess all the Raging Storm motions in this game will go unlearnt until the movelist is patched in.
        
        OH, WAIT…
    - http://www.facebook.com/people/Almeson-Hoku-James/100000479628267 Almeson Hoku James
      
      RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGIIIIINNNNNNNNGGGGG.
      
      STOOORMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
      
      has something to say.
- Rob Weston
  
  WE’LL LEARN IT LIVE!
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Nic-Holley/1371451240 Nic Holley
    
    FUCK IT!
- http://twitter.com/emezie Emezie Okorafor
  
  How did they let this out the door without a fricking movelist?
  OMG rushed! I’m selling this, and buying [insert other current fighting game...usually Skullgirls] instead.
  
  Oh, wait…this isn’t a Capcom game…
  
  *pats Skullgirls on the head* It’s okay champ. It’s no big deal. You tried, and that’s all that matters. The FGC is fully aware of deadlines and business considerations, and we just feel fortunate that new fighting games are even being released in 2012. All is forgiven
- http://twitter.com/emezie Emezie Okorafor
  
  How did they let this out the door without a fricking movelist?
  OMG rushed! I’m selling this, and buying [insert other current fighting game...usually Skullgirls] instead.
  
  Oh, wait…this isn’t a Capcom game…
  
  *pats Skullgirls on the head* It’s okay champ. It’s no big deal. You tried, and that’s all that matters. The FGC is fully aware of deadlines and business considerations, and we just feel fortunate that new fighting games are even being released in 2012. All is forgiven
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Basil-Bisiolu/100000804618260 Basil Bisiolu
    
    So do you forget about about Soul Calibur V, and the 4 character clone article? Remember that.
    http://shoryuken.com/2012/01/18/soul-calibur-v-rumor-leaked-images-reveal-kilik-elysium-and-omega-pyrrha/
    Or their rushed story?
    http://shoryuken.com/2012/03/30/soul-calibur-vs-story-mode-is-a-fourth-of-its-planned-size/
    Read the Comments, watch how people call on Namco’s nonsense.
    
    Stop pretending that Capcom is only company that would get called for their BS. KOF13 got called out for having Bad online netcode, MK9 got called out for Glitches,etc
    
    Focus on Skullgirls, please. Not your bitterness because people do not like SFXT.
    - http://twitter.com/emezie Emezie Okorafor
      
      Lol, you guys get pretty defensive when someone attacks your game…
      
      Keep that feeling in mind.
      
      Just…keep it in mind.
      
      And, if you guys thought I was really calling Skullgirls rushed, then that’s another lol for me. Thanks.
      - http://www.facebook.com/people/Basil-Bisiolu/100000804618260 Basil Bisiolu
        
        You just keep in mind you are defensive for Capcom. Just like why people are defensive for Skullgirls.
        
        Or else why did you use that analogy to talk about how people are wrong to hate on Capcom.
      - http://twitter.com/emezie Emezie Okorafor
        
        “You just keep in mind you are defensive for Capcom. Just like why people are defensive for Skullgirls.”
        
        No sh*t.
        
        That’s my entire point.
        
        People call me a SFxT fanboy as an insult…and then turn around to form a human shield for Skullgirls when parallel criticisms are thrown its way.
        
        Cake. Have it, or eat it.
      - http://twitter.com/emezie Emezie Okorafor
        
        “You just keep in mind you are defensive for Capcom. Just like why people are defensive for Skullgirls.”
        
        No sh*t.
        
        That’s my entire point.
        
        People call me a SFxT fanboy as an insult…and then turn around to form a human shield for Skullgirls when parallel criticisms are thrown its way.
        
        Cake. Have it, or eat it.
    - kukullan76
      
      What’s wrong with SFxT? I have that and Skullgirls and enjoy both
  - Anonymous
    
    Admittedly, Capcom creates different expectations than small companies. Capcom made MVC3, UMVC3, and SFxT in a short time span, expecting them to wait longer would have been very reasonable. Skullgirls had already taken a looong time.
    
    Also, people bitched about SC5 for the same stuff. I guess namco decided to put more effort into TTT2? I dunno.
  - Anonymous
    
    Don’t worry thats just your subjective view on this matter. If you would be a Namco fanboy you would be seething with rage about all the people who bitched about the “moveswaps” and awful story mode etc. There is always bitching, especially on SRK.
- http://twitter.com/BongoRosso Isaac
  
  Haha ! Thats what I was thinking, luckily some moves or “supers” dont require a combination of buttons like in Darkstalkers, otherwise I’ll have to hit their website for references…
- http://twitter.com/Anawnnemus john doe
  
  … Because move lists were never on the arcade panels (even though they were)? I’m not getting your logic here..
  
  OHH! You must mean “button mashing like a retard”! THAT’S what you meant…
Anonymous

Fuck move lists. We’ll do it the old school way
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=844405474 Shiki Orochinagi

so they will only support the game if it sells? damm
- http://www.twitter.com/KreativeMente Kreative Mente
  
  Makes sense
- http://www.twitter.com/KreativeMente Kreative Mente
  
  Makes sense
- Anonymous
  
  Better than supporting a game that doesn’t sell, Or ignoring a game that sells extremely well. Either way, they’re doing it right
  - http://www.facebook.com/dezik J.p. Morris
    
    A game usually sells better if the people who make it seem adamant to support it to hell or high water. Saying “we’ll support it, if it sells well”, sounds like a death sentence.
    - Anonymous
      
      But it’s true. It would be unwise to invest further on a dead horse.
      
      If it sells good (= decently, considering this is a new fighting IP), the logical course of action would be to keep investing in order to expand the game and the userbase. If it sells like shit, however…
      - http://www.facebook.com/dezik J.p. Morris
        
        I get what they’re saying is true. I just think just plainly saying it on a major fighting game stream, where it then can be blown out of proportion, is a PR nightmare.
      - http://www.facebook.com/dezik J.p. Morris
        
        I get what they’re saying is true. I just think just plainly saying it on a major fighting game stream, where it then can be blown out of proportion, is a PR nightmare.
      - http://www.facebook.com/dezik J.p. Morris
        
        I get what they’re saying is true. I just think just plainly saying it on a major fighting game stream, where it then can be blown out of proportion, is a PR nightmare.
    - http://www.facebook.com/keishenra Kyle D. Johnson
      
      It’s realistic to do so.
- Anonymous
  
  Better than supporting a game that doesn’t sell, Or ignoring a game that sells extremely well. Either way, they’re doing it right
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=844405474 Shiki Orochinagi

so they will only support the game if it sells? damm
http://twitter.com/Cdore101 El Cor

Ok.
- Rob Weston
  
  …Implementing a proper movelist is a bit more complicated than it might seem. If you want the game to just show you the PDF they posted on the site — then sure, it’s easy, but if they are going to do regular tweaks, constantly add new characters and change functions of the game the time to update them movelist could add up.
  
  The tutorial mode and the website give you everthing you need. Each character only had 3-4 specials as it is.
  - http://twitter.com/Cdore101 El Cor
    
    It’s not that hard at all. I’ve done prototypes of fighting games myself on my spare time, and it’s as simple as making a pop up screen with font. Even if their worry was art for some UI, they can make it as simple as SF 3 Anniversary’s move list, or MvC 3′s movelist. There’s really no work involved behind it at all. They just have to have someone take an afternoon off and edit in some text/ code.
    - Anonymous
      
      I agree. Honestly I think someone just forgot.
    - http://www.facebook.com/people/Benjamin-Good/100003082526867 Benjamin Good
      
      It’s really not that simple at all when you’re working with MS/Sony requirements and have to ship in 10+ languages.
    - http://www.facebook.com/people/Benjamin-Good/100003082526867 Benjamin Good
      
      It’s really not that simple at all when you’re working with MS/Sony requirements and have to ship in 10+ languages.
    - Mash Harder
      
      I totally agree that stuff is way easier when you don’t know what you’re talking about.
      - Anonymous
        
        My bunny could kick your bunnys ass
    - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=586656525 Severin Victor
      
      http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?13327-General-Discussion-5-Final-Showdown&p=1275925&viewfull=1#post1275925
      
      what a surprise, you’re completely wrong!
    - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=586656525 Severin Victor
      
      http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?13327-General-Discussion-5-Final-Showdown&p=1275925&viewfull=1#post1275925
      
      what a surprise, you’re completely wrong!
  - http://twitter.com/Cdore101 El Cor
    
    It’s not that hard at all. I’ve done prototypes of fighting games myself on my spare time, and it’s as simple as making a pop up screen with font. Even if their worry was art for some UI, they can make it as simple as SF 3 Anniversary’s move list, or MvC 3′s movelist. There’s really no work involved behind it at all. They just have to have someone take an afternoon off and edit in some text/ code.
Moribund Cadaver

I understand where they’re coming from, but I think it’s a little cheesy (to say the least) to say that ANY patches or updates to the game hinge on how well it sells at launch. That they wouldn’t, or couldn’t, budget for a single update is a bit suspect.

This is, of course, half the fault of the platform holders this generation and the way they ream publishers for updates and patches to console games.

What will be a shame is if Skullgirls ends up suffering the fate of several other noteworthy games by small devs in the last couple of years… hyped up console release, then decent sales, but then the developer suddenly says “sorry, we figured we probably couldn’t afford to support the game anyway” and then uses their console sales to fund the PC version that becomes the defacto “real game”.

This most recently happened to the much publicized Dungeon Defenders. Despite that game selling a few hundred thousand copies on PS3 and 360, the developers flat out abandoned the console players and used the profits from the console versions to fund publication of the game on Steam… which then saw constant support, updates, and massive expansion. Leaving the console players with a day 1, unpatched, unbalanced, unfinished version of the game.

People have been so desperate to pump Skullgirls up as the ultimate indie game that they are not really paying attention to the harsh realities of the situation. If Reverge turns around and abandons console players in favor of a PC version actually getting updates, what will people say then?
Moribund Cadaver

I understand where they’re coming from, but I think it’s a little cheesy (to say the least) to say that ANY patches or updates to the game hinge on how well it sells at launch. That they wouldn’t, or couldn’t, budget for a single update is a bit suspect.

This is, of course, half the fault of the platform holders this generation and the way they ream publishers for updates and patches to console games.

What will be a shame is if Skullgirls ends up suffering the fate of several other noteworthy games by small devs in the last couple of years… hyped up console release, then decent sales, but then the developer suddenly says “sorry, we figured we probably couldn’t afford to support the game anyway” and then uses their console sales to fund the PC version that becomes the defacto “real game”.

This most recently happened to the much publicized Dungeon Defenders. Despite that game selling a few hundred thousand copies on PS3 and 360, the developers flat out abandoned the console players and used the profits from the console versions to fund publication of the game on Steam… which then saw constant support, updates, and massive expansion. Leaving the console players with a day 1, unpatched, unbalanced, unfinished version of the game.

People have been so desperate to pump Skullgirls up as the ultimate indie game that they are not really paying attention to the harsh realities of the situation. If Reverge turns around and abandons console players in favor of a PC version actually getting updates, what will people say then?
- http://twitter.com/Cdore101 El Cor
  
  I’m glad someone is just as skeptical. People don’t realize that when you choose to PR with the community, you have to deal with the consequences of supporting it past the release date, even if your game doesn’t sell well. This article just makes us feel less trusty of the game that we are suppose to support, and gives the Skullfirl devs a worse image.
- http://twitter.com/Cdore101 El Cor
  
  I’m glad someone is just as skeptical. People don’t realize that when you choose to PR with the community, you have to deal with the consequences of supporting it past the release date, even if your game doesn’t sell well. This article just makes us feel less trusty of the game that we are suppose to support, and gives the Skullfirl devs a worse image.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/George-Tzathas/1810188254 George Tzathas
  
  The difference is that Microsoft and Sony charge about $20,000 each for that hosting fee for a game update/DLC, while steams fee is way lower. In skullgirls’ case, that means they need over 2600 sales of the game (or over 13,000 $3 dlc character sales) to break even each time they release a patch for the consoles(and thats BEFORE they account for what it cost them to make the patch). Its hard to look your investors straight in the face and tell them ‘and this is the $40,000 we need from you that we will spend even if the game flops for DLC surcharges’. You cant expect them to have a capcom status bank vault; $40,000 is a lot of money to a small company like reverge labs.
  
  Steams hosting fees are MUCH smaller, so it makes sense for a game like dungeon defenders, which updates fairly often, to focus on that instead of forking over $120,000 to microsoft and sony each month if they want to do 3 updates. Skullgirls wont update multiple times a month, so the possibility of a wider audience(as well as its core demographic playing on consoles) should be able to keep the game alive on the consoles economically
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5FLRQI2X2LU3IHMCG7HEAEFD5I Cat Astrophy
    
    Sounds like it would have been a smarter financial move to delay the game to get all the essential stuff in first. I know the game has been in development for a very long time but it’s not like the fighter genre has been stale on releases recently.
    - http://www.facebook.com/people/George-Tzathas/1810188254 George Tzathas
      
      If they’re having a hard time guaranteeing $40,000 for an update patch, they might be at the point financially where they just need to put the game out there(sans some minor features, like an in game movelist, for example) just to make the money to keep production moving forward.
      
      Also, they missed their launch window twice(2011, and then early 2012). If they keep delaying the game they are going to lose the hype in the FGC for it and then they’ll be dead in the water, meeting a lukewarm reception from their prime demographic with a niche title that probably wont get too many sales from non-fighting game fans.
      
      Features that make the game unique and cater to the FGC are already being lifted by the big companies because they are good ideas(like how SFxT has the pause delay that skullgirls implemented earlier in development). The more time they delay the game, the bigger chance they give other developers to ‘catch up’ with these very popular community ideas
      - http://twitter.com/Cdore101 El Cor
        
        The FGC isn’t their core audience. The point of Skullgirls is to sell to those outside the core market. Capcom knew this and NetherRealm knew this. It makes sense if they are targeting just the FGC, then okay. They spent this much time making a game for the self entitled community of Shoryuken. But that’s not the case. They made it so it could compete against other fighting games. They took on this challenge, themselves. Only the devs can decide whether their game will live up to the quality they hyped it for. Already, excluding a movelist, says they are just another small company trying to cash in on the fighting industry.
      - Anonymous
        
        >says they are just another small company trying to cash in on the fighting industry.
        
        No shit.
        If they had wanted to make it freeware, it’d be on pc to download from their own website. It would look worse and have less stuff tho.
        
        Last time i checked we’re living in a capitalist economy, and even if we lived in a socialist one, we’d still have to pay for stuff like videogames (just like even cubans have to pay for their cigars).
        
        There is nothing wrong with devs expecting to receive a monetary retribution in exchange for their work.
        As long as they don’t fuck it up and price the DLC badly it should be fine.
        
        The lack of an in-game movelist is a flaw and should be fixed, but in the meanwhile it won’t be game breaking for people with enough interest in the game as to check its website or a faq.
      - Anonymous
        
        >says they are just another small company trying to cash in on the fighting industry.
        
        No shit.
        If they had wanted to make it freeware, it’d be on pc to download from their own website. It would look worse and have less stuff tho.
        
        Last time i checked we’re living in a capitalist economy, and even if we lived in a socialist one, we’d still have to pay for stuff like videogames (just like even cubans have to pay for their cigars).
        
        There is nothing wrong with devs expecting to receive a monetary retribution in exchange for their work.
        As long as they don’t fuck it up and price the DLC badly it should be fine.
        
        The lack of an in-game movelist is a flaw and should be fixed, but in the meanwhile it won’t be game breaking for people with enough interest in the game as to check its website or a faq.
      - Anonymous
        
        >says they are just another small company trying to cash in on the fighting industry.
        
        No shit.
        If they had wanted to make it freeware, it’d be on pc to download from their own website. It would look worse and have less stuff tho.
        
        Last time i checked we’re living in a capitalist economy, and even if we lived in a socialist one, we’d still have to pay for stuff like videogames (just like even cubans have to pay for their cigars).
        
        There is nothing wrong with devs expecting to receive a monetary retribution in exchange for their work.
        As long as they don’t fuck it up and price the DLC badly it should be fine.
        
        The lack of an in-game movelist is a flaw and should be fixed, but in the meanwhile it won’t be game breaking for people with enough interest in the game as to check its website or a faq.
      - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5FLRQI2X2LU3IHMCG7HEAEFD5I Cat Astrophy
        
        Why would they have needed money for production to finish the game? Does it cost money to product a labor of love that’s just coding? Isn’t this a fan-made game? Did we pay people to put up the Skullgirls Wiki? Sit in front of your computer(s) and finish the game. If they had to hire people who don’t care about the game and just want to get paid then they are doing it wrong for an indie-startup.
      - http://www.facebook.com/people/Kevin-Deane/1452636601 Kevin Deane
        
        It’s a matter of time. They are trying to release the game in time to be played at as many of the Majors as they can. It’s already been announced as one of the games in the NW Majors. And yes, it’s important that it makes a presence for the game to be taken seriously on more than a casual level.
      - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5FLRQI2X2LU3IHMCG7HEAEFD5I Cat Astrophy
        
        @Kevin, majors are year-round every year. Worst case they run an internal build at the major. That’s no excuse to have to blow your load on PSN/XBL before it’s time.
- Anonymous
  
  I was one of those victims,damn dungeon defenders.
- Anonymous
  
  >If Reverge turns around and abandons console players in favor of a PC version actually getting updates
  
  That’d rustle my jimmies, hard.
  
  The PC version most likely will look better, but it’d be a fuck up if they didn’t include the same new content for all versions.
- Anonymous
  
  >If Reverge turns around and abandons console players in favor of a PC version actually getting updates
  
  That’d rustle my jimmies, hard.
  
  The PC version most likely will look better, but it’d be a fuck up if they didn’t include the same new content for all versions.
http://twitter.com/DenjinDrew Drew Olmen

Wait. They AREN’T expecting good sales off this? Game twice as good as SFxT for less than a third of the cost.
- http://twitter.com/AzureRevolver ツンデレ Azure
  
  Probably because its such a niche title, I believe alot of people just got tired of waiting considering the game was pushed back multiple times so the hype may have fallen for some people and then there is the people who don’t like the overall design in general.
  
  I can’t really blame Mike Z for waiting to see how well numbers look, why put time into adding in minor things if the numbers don’t show people were interested and bought the game and it surely is no Capcom title so numbers aren’t as guarantee.
  That’s my opinion anyway, I for one am still still partially excited for the game and depending on how well I enjoy it on PSN later tonight I’ll more than likely buy it on XBLA as well.
- http://twitter.com/AzureRevolver ツンデレ Azure
  
  Probably because its such a niche title, I believe alot of people just got tired of waiting considering the game was pushed back multiple times so the hype may have fallen for some people and then there is the people who don’t like the overall design in general.
  
  I can’t really blame Mike Z for waiting to see how well numbers look, why put time into adding in minor things if the numbers don’t show people were interested and bought the game and it surely is no Capcom title so numbers aren’t as guarantee.
  That’s my opinion anyway, I for one am still still partially excited for the game and depending on how well I enjoy it on PSN later tonight I’ll more than likely buy it on XBLA as well.
- Anonymous
  
  >Game twice as good as SFxT
  
  Oh, come on…
  
  2x of nothing is still nothing. :V
- Anonymous
  
  >Game twice as good as SFxT
  
  Oh, come on…
  
  2x of nothing is still nothing. :V
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Nic-Holley/1371451240 Nic Holley
  
  I realize you people hate Capcom, but talking like SFxT isn’t a good game is ridiculous. You probably just don’t know what the hell you’re doing when you play it. Hate it because you get your ass kicked. Which you will probably feel the same about Skullgirls after you suck at that, too.
  - http://twitter.com/LoyalSol Troy Loeffler
    
    SFxT sucks
    
    PS I still win tournies at it so shove it
    - Anonymous
      
      so.. you hated the game. but you practiced to be good at it?
      
      Or perhaps you were very gifted and won by the grace of intuition?
      
      Please help me out here. You piqued my interest.
    - Anonymous
      
      so.. you hated the game. but you practiced to be good at it?
      
      Or perhaps you were very gifted and won by the grace of intuition?
      
      Please help me out here. You piqued my interest.
  - Disco-lemonade
    
    U mad.
http://twitter.com/MaggotSai Tristan

Male characters? So, about that title…
- http://www.twitter.com/KreativeMente Kreative Mente
  
  MikeZ explained what the title meant long time ago. Has nothing to do with them being females
  - http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio
    
    well seriously, that’s a lame excuse.
    
    They need to just own up to things instead of making whingy excuses.
    
    It’s a T&A game about girls, and that’s totally great!
  - http://twitter.com/MaggotSai Tristan
    
    Ahh OK, I still think that’s part of the reason it received the name not the entire reason though. But let’s not get into that and continue on with the patch discussions.
    - http://www.twitter.com/KreativeMente Kreative Mente
      
      Well I think the patch ideas make sense. Especially for a start up game. Sell well and more content will follow.
      - http://twitter.com/MaggotSai Tristan
        
        Agreed
      - http://twitter.com/MaggotSai Tristan
        
        Agreed
- Anonymous
  
  The storyline has to do with the FEMALES.
- Anonymous
  
  The storyline has to do with the FEMALES.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Ray-Jones/100000232905992 Ray Jones
  
  cant be no male characters just because its called skullgirls WTF why do all the X-MEN games comics movies comic cards have WOMEN in them TRANSFORMERS movie have HUMANS in them ALIEN movies have HUMANS in them that goes for movies books anything else with a title what is the main focus the plot the story of this game SKULLGIRLS PEA BRAIN
http://www.facebook.com/people/Stanley-Seymour/694256223 Stanley Seymour

Yea Mike, just trust have faith in your own product and I’m pretty sure that the game will sell well hands down. Personally it wouldn’t matter to me if move lists were in or not as I barely use them anyway, and after playing a game for a long time you usually remember it off the top of your head. You already have me convinced as a customer that I am going to have a wonderful experience both on and offline. Not to mention the in-depth tutorial mode that teaches me EVERYTHING so yea, keep up the good work man and may this product sell well!

Come on people, lets all support a worthwhile fighting game that actually DESERVES to be recognized and not the BS company’s feel that they can feed us, because we have no choice. We do have a choice people, and I don’t know about you but I’m looking at a damn good one in front of me. Just a few more hours before it drops on PSN and I can proceed to the lab with Fortune and Parasoul.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Stanley-Seymour/694256223 Stanley Seymour

Yea Mike, just trust have faith in your own product and I’m pretty sure that the game will sell well hands down. Personally it wouldn’t matter to me if move lists were in or not as I barely use them anyway, and after playing a game for a long time you usually remember it off the top of your head. You already have me convinced as a customer that I am going to have a wonderful experience both on and offline. Not to mention the in-depth tutorial mode that teaches me EVERYTHING so yea, keep up the good work man and may this product sell well!

Come on people, lets all support a worthwhile fighting game that actually DESERVES to be recognized and not the BS company’s feel that they can feed us, because we have no choice. We do have a choice people, and I don’t know about you but I’m looking at a damn good one in front of me. Just a few more hours before it drops on PSN and I can proceed to the lab with Fortune and Parasoul.
Anonymous

Could the title of this be any more sensationalist?

I mean come the fuck on.
- http://twitter.com/emezie Emezie Okorafor
  
  Lol, I guess no one notices the ridiculous sensationalism when it’s SFxT, but when the flame bait journalism reaches Skullgirls, WHOA, HOLD ON THAR.
  - http://twitter.com/Cdore101 El Cor
    
    Actually, SFxT was a topic of debate for their own articles. Believe me, they’ve been through their own fair share of bashes.
  - Anonymous
    
    I’ve pointed out the sensationalist shit on this site in the past regardless of what game it was in regards to spanky, ease up.
    
    But then this is GARMIN JOORNALZM so what do I know, right~?
  - Anonymous
    
    I’ve pointed out the sensationalist shit on this site in the past regardless of what game it was in regards to spanky, ease up.
    
    But then this is GARMIN JOORNALZM so what do I know, right~?
- http://twitter.com/emezie Emezie Okorafor
  
  Lol, I guess no one notices the ridiculous sensationalism when it’s SFxT, but when the flame bait journalism reaches Skullgirls, WHOA, HOLD ON THAR.
- Anonymous
  
  BREAKING NEWS: REVERGE THREATENS TO PULL SUPPORT IF CERTAIN SALES EXPECTATIONS ARE NOT MET. MIKE Z TAKEN HOSTAGE UNTIL SALES SURPASS SFxT.
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Zaimont/732839308 Michael Zaimont
    
    Update: I was released when demands were met, an hour after the game came out. :^)
    - http://www.facebook.com/people/Almeson-Hoku-James/100000479628267 Almeson Hoku James
      
      This nigga /Kappa
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Zaimont/732839308 Michael Zaimont
    
    Update: I was released when demands were met, an hour after the game came out. :^)
- http://twitter.com/Delriach Delriach
  
  When this is what Mike Z flat out says to Ultra David on stream, I don’t see how it’s that sensationalist.
  - Anonymous
    
    It’s sensationalist because they don’t mention the hosting fee until halfway through the article. If it didn’t cost them two shitty cars to give us move lists we would have it hour 1 after it was released.
    - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5FLRQI2X2LU3IHMCG7HEAEFD5I Cat Astrophy
      
      They needed to wait and then they wouldn’t have had to pay a separate hosting fee. It’s an excuse not a reason.
      - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1341129325 Xavier D Culver
        
        ….wouldn’t they still be spending money they dont have? They already went beyond their initial budget since they delayed the game twice. They’ve already waited and added things. Lets not try to make recuperating costs for them harder, why dont we?
      - http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Murray/611100197 Mike Murray
        
        I don’t know if you saw Mike Z’s post earlier, but it’s as he said. Do you think Reverge had a choice in the situation when the publishers are funding your game? You can’t just decide to delay the game on your own and everyone is fine with that. It doesn’t work that way.
      - http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Murray/611100197 Mike Murray
        
        I don’t know if you saw Mike Z’s post earlier, but it’s as he said. Do you think Reverge had a choice in the situation when the publishers are funding your game? You can’t just decide to delay the game on your own and everyone is fine with that. It doesn’t work that way.
    - http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio
      
      MS and sony usually give the first patch for free though.
      
      DLC is a different beast
      - Anonymous
        
        That’s at the companies expense if they want it to be free for you to download. They could charge you but that’d be more of a problem.
- http://twitter.com/Delriach Delriach
  
  When this is what Mike Z flat out says to Ultra David on stream, I don’t see how it’s that sensationalist.
http://www.facebook.com/kuukuuomoi Kuukuu Omoi

oh media. how you put things the way you do.
http://www.facebook.com/kuukuuomoi Kuukuu Omoi

oh media. how you put things the way you do.
http://profile.yahoo.com/JGEL7BRAVWLDPGJ55BYPUTXMCI HpR

DLC if the game sells well? What’s so hard to understand about that? As for movelists? Bleh. I remember the days I had to download those all the time. Hell, I even typed them up on my dad’s word processor!

Besides, if the game sells well enough, there’ll probably a Skullgirls 2. Don’t bitch, just support it!
- http://www.facebook.com/dezik J.p. Morris
  
  I remember a time when we used to communicate through the telegraph. Oh were those the days! The enchanting beeps, with the smooth sound of the longer beeps. It also helped with finger strength, so we could open canned food with our pointer!
  - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1341129325 Xavier D Culver
    
    because the internet is outdated and seldom used
  - http://mystady.com/ MY STADY — mystady.com
    
    Shitty analogy.
http://profile.yahoo.com/JGEL7BRAVWLDPGJ55BYPUTXMCI HpR

DLC if the game sells well? What’s so hard to understand about that? As for movelists? Bleh. I remember the days I had to download those all the time. Hell, I even typed them up on my dad’s word processor!

Besides, if the game sells well enough, there’ll probably a Skullgirls 2. Don’t bitch, just support it!
http://www.facebook.com/people/Basil-Bisiolu/100000804618260 Basil Bisiolu

Remember those Mike Z and the Crew basically said that they traded the movelist….

For Better Online, Better Balance, Training mode features, etc on launch.

Let’s play the game before we act like one flaw could ruin the game.
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5FLRQI2X2LU3IHMCG7HEAEFD5I Cat Astrophy
  
  Move list > training mode features for all but hardcore fans (i.e. the people who aren’t the bread-and-butter of sales)
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Basil-Bisiolu/100000804618260 Basil Bisiolu
    
    Sales perhaps but we must see if it happens. There has been no review that has put the game under a 7. How well Skullgirl is unknown unless we find out.
    
    Quaility wise, No. The quality over basic things will be better for it. It’s better make a good game, than make a shitty game for money.
    
    This is why Capcom and Namco will not make 10/10 or 9/10 quality games again.
    - http://www.facebook.com/people/Basil-Bisiolu/100000804618260 Basil Bisiolu
      
      By the way…how exactly do you know that casual are buying the game more than the hardcore?
http://www.facebook.com/people/Basil-Bisiolu/100000804618260 Basil Bisiolu

Remember those Mike Z and the Crew basically said that they traded the movelist….

For Better Online, Better Balance, Training mode features, etc on launch.

Let’s play the game before we act like one flaw could ruin the game.
Anonymous

Wait I can’t get a move list unless the games sells well lmao what! I have never heard such a thing that just makes me laugh……
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Basil-Bisiolu/100000804618260 Basil Bisiolu
  
  Why just look up much it costs to patch a game. The cost are BIG reasons why Marvel 3 does not patch their game a lot due ot the cost. The cost is why you don’t see Capcom even bother care about balance in SFXT.
  
  I agree it will be a flaw on launch, but it is what it is.
  - Anonymous
    
    Oh no~ 40K, its not like Capcom burned through that multiple times with the multiple test parties, sponsorships, mass marketing, the promised tournmanet prize pool, Cross Assault, and additional content development in the first place.
    
    For how many people making the price of development excuse, they forget to put things into scale.
    
    As for Skullgirls, if they were oh so concerned about that, they should have pushed it into making it a PC release. The market is there, it would have allowed them to keep their own price, there’s no large DLC fee to my knowledge, the host itself is DRM, and programming would be definitely easier.
    The only negative effect would be piracy, and we all know how laughable the “potential profit losses” come out of those, with a lot of indie fighters actually gaining bigger scenes from it.
    - http://www.facebook.com/people/Basil-Bisiolu/100000804618260 Basil Bisiolu
      
      Oh please. Capcom are investing much, much, much better things to justifying spend that kind of money. Even if they did could apparently shit out 40k like it’s nothing, they did all of that to MAKE MORE moneny. Not for useless balance patches that effect nothing of their revenue. Capcom can not do that because there is no potienal profit.
      
      Please do not pretend that they cant put type of budget on Marvel 3 or on most other game. Because that is extremely risky, and most other titles don’t sell as well as Street Fighter.
      
      Anyway, it’s seems like you are overestimating how big the Skullgirl’s development company….
      - Anonymous
        
        “Better”
        Like?
        
        “Make more money”
        Which is not a good thing, just a legitimate thing.
        
        “Capcom can not do that because there is no potienal profit. ”
        Oh I didn’t know actually caring about at least their reputation was a bad thing. All about that PAYPAH.
        
        “Please do not pretend that they cant put type of budget on Marvel 3 or on most other game.”
        
        Hence why I said this should have been a PC game then.
        
        “Anyway, it’s seems like you are overestimating how big the Skullgirl’s development company….”
        
        Vanguard Princess if you added online, was about a 3 year project by one person with unofficial online by about 4 people, and has MORE characters.
        
        So to switch that around, what’s Skullgirls’ excuse if we’re going with that logic?
      - http://www.facebook.com/people/Basil-Bisiolu/100000804618260 Basil Bisiolu
        
        “Like?”
        Sponsorship, Cross Assault, etc are all potienal advertisement tools. That’s why they focused on the gem systems over the infinite. They want that PAYPUH, they don’t care about balance.
        
        Anyway Skullgirl’s movelist got HILAROUS easy inputs. They are not asking for KOF/Tekken movelist from people.
        
        You guy are overcomplaining about this, it’s a flaw but it’s NOT THAT BAD.
      - Anonymous
        
        Those aren’t better for the consumer or developer, so who cares.
        
        ”Anyway Skullgirl’s movelist got HILAROUS easy inputs. They are not asking for KOF/Tekken movelist from people.”
        
        Some people still don’t even know how to hadoken right without SFIV’s and MvC3′s easy inputs, I think you’re overestimating the average casual consumer’s skill.
        Or think hardcore players ever make up the vast majority of sales.
        
        That, and you don’t really play that much Tekken if you think its low-end play is harder than this.
        
        ALSOOOOooo, the story mode is bare-bones in presentation, Marie is animated horribly, and they even forgot to explain special moves’ execution in the tutorial mode.
        
        This is just the same crap Capcom gives us but on a smaller budget and scale.
        
        I’m liking the game but you fucking people act like complaining is some soul damning sin.
    - Anonymous
      
      Skullgirls on Steam would be cool.
      
      I’m sick of having to pay to play online. Next gen i won’t commit the mistake of buying a microsoft console.
    - Anonymous
      
      Skullgirls on Steam would be cool.
      
      I’m sick of having to pay to play online. Next gen i won’t commit the mistake of buying a microsoft console.
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5FLRQI2X2LU3IHMCG7HEAEFD5I Cat Astrophy
    
    20k is a ton for these guys. Crapcom can shit out 20k. It doesn’t cost them anything to host it. However it does cost their huge company a lot of money hiring professionals to do more work on a game already out instead of working on new ones. You can’t compare big companies to indies. That being said, these guys should have just delayed it a bit to add this so they wouldn’t have paid this separate fee.
    - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1341129325 Xavier D Culver
      
      While I disagree with delaying the game, I respect the rest of your post. You’re giving them 2 choices:
      1. delay: spend much more money to very slightly increase initial sales by adding a move list
      
      vs
      
      2. Sell now: get money now, use profit (if any) to add dlc chars and move lists, sales for the game itself increase + get money for the dlc chars(the cause for increased game sales)
      
      I see 2 as the better choice since: a) there’s a complete and in depth tutorial that goes through all the moves and what not and b) I’m pretty sure casuals will be just fine mashing buttons if they somehow cant find the tutorial.
      
      The first choice isn’t “bad,” but 2 works for both the consumer and the company a little better
    - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1341129325 Xavier D Culver
      
      While I disagree with delaying the game, I respect the rest of your post. You’re giving them 2 choices:
      1. delay: spend much more money to very slightly increase initial sales by adding a move list
      
      vs
      
      2. Sell now: get money now, use profit (if any) to add dlc chars and move lists, sales for the game itself increase + get money for the dlc chars(the cause for increased game sales)
      
      I see 2 as the better choice since: a) there’s a complete and in depth tutorial that goes through all the moves and what not and b) I’m pretty sure casuals will be just fine mashing buttons if they somehow cant find the tutorial.
      
      The first choice isn’t “bad,” but 2 works for both the consumer and the company a little better
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Basil-Bisiolu/100000804618260 Basil Bisiolu
  
  Why just look up much it costs to patch a game. The cost are BIG reasons why Marvel 3 does not patch their game a lot due ot the cost. The cost is why you don’t see Capcom even bother care about balance in SFXT.
  
  I agree it will be a flaw on launch, but it is what it is.
http://twitter.com/Trodamus Trodamus

I’m not going to pretend I’m a hardcore FG player or anything. Call me what you want. As a gamer, hearing that what I’d consider to be a key feature to not be in the game at launch really irritates me. I’m going to, what, have to print out this shit and put it on my coffee table? What is this, 1995?

And at this, here’s the paradox: if it needs to sell well enough to warrant further support, it needs to appeal to something besides just the core FG demographic. Stuff like this doesn’t help the cause.
- Anonymous
  
  Yeah because memorizing a moveset will take you a year and a half for 3 characters.
  
  You’re really blowing it out of proportion, sure it’d be nice if it was in from the start but they sacrificed it instead of having poor online performance, glithcy/ugly ui etc. And Mike explained it’s one of the first thing they will be patching in to the game.
  - http://twitter.com/Trodamus Trodamus
    
    I’d like to know why you construe ”really irritating” as blowing it out of proportion?
    
    And, yes, it will affect the sales it so apparently needs for continued support. If I’m having friends over and choosing between couch-playable titles, I’m going to skip over this because my friends won’t be able to play it, just as an example off the top of my head.
    - Anonymous
      
      You could just tell them you know? Like verbally communicate with your friend.
      
      Showing my friends a movelist and then bringing the beatdown is usually not how I introduce someone to something new.
      - http://twitter.com/Trodamus Trodamus
        
        Oh, but it’s too late! You see, I already bought a different game for them to play, so I guess the movelist doesn’t matter!
      - Anonymous
        
        Lol thanks for this wonderful story!
      - Mash Harder
        
        That is very sad, I’m sure you’ll get another chance to speak with your friend. GL bro.
      - Anonymous
        
        I’m not going to argue if a movelist is a key feature or not, but this game has a very deep tutorial that actually learn people how to play fighting games, teaching hit confirms, spacing, punishing, etc… and THAT’S a key feature that should be available on ALL fighting games, but as far as I know only Skullgirls (and BB on some way) have it.
        
        So, you see, you don’t have a move list (which is something that you will memorize in less than an hour if you go to their website and read it), but you have a full and deep tutorial that actually teaches you fundamentals how to play and make you a better player on any fighting game that you are going to play on the future, and trust me, it will takes weeks or months for you to master those fundamentals if you are not a high level f-game player, even with the game teaching you that.
        
        What I’m saying is, don’t alienate yourself thinking that the game is incomplete just because it doesn’t have a movelist, because it has something way more important than that.
      - http://twitter.com/Cdore101 El Cor
        
        @BlueLink: ”I’m not going to argue if a movelist is a key feature or not, but this game has a very deep tutorial that actually learn people how to play fighting games, teaching hit confirms, spacing, punishing, etc.. ”
        
        Sweet, I can use Skullgirls to get better at Street Fighter!
      - http://www.facebook.com/people/Stanley-Seymour/694256223 Stanley Seymour
        
        Agreed.
- Anonymous
  
  Yeah because memorizing a moveset will take you a year and a half for 3 characters.
  
  You’re really blowing it out of proportion, sure it’d be nice if it was in from the start but they sacrificed it instead of having poor online performance, glithcy/ugly ui etc. And Mike explained it’s one of the first thing they will be patching in to the game.
- Anonymous
  
  Or you can memorize the move sets like you would anyway since there wouldn’t be a display during an actual match anyway. Sheesh… MK was like this not too long ago (MK9 having to unlock moves just to know what they were) its not hard to just look it up, its like 3 minutes to go “oh ok, that’s how you do it” then you’re back to playing the game and have fun.
- Anonymous
  
  Or you can memorize the move sets like you would anyway since there wouldn’t be a display during an actual match anyway. Sheesh… MK was like this not too long ago (MK9 having to unlock moves just to know what they were) its not hard to just look it up, its like 3 minutes to go “oh ok, that’s how you do it” then you’re back to playing the game and have fun.
- Anonymous
  
  Or you can memorize the move sets like you would anyway since there wouldn’t be a display during an actual match anyway. Sheesh… MK was like this not too long ago (MK9 having to unlock moves just to know what they were) its not hard to just look it up, its like 3 minutes to go “oh ok, that’s how you do it” then you’re back to playing the game and have fun.
Anonymous

PC version? PC VERSION?!
:O !!!

Do I see a Humble Skullgirls Bundle in the future? Possible Linux port? Pleasepleasepleaseplease?!
http://twitter.com/hentailogic hentailogic

Skullgirls developers have their priorities in the right place and are up front about it.

Will definitely buy the PC release.
http://twitter.com/hentailogic hentailogic

Skullgirls developers have their priorities in the right place and are up front about it.

Will definitely buy the PC release.
Anonymous

Well, it’s not exactly a big deal for any competent player. The actual issue is how it affects the casual audience. People that planned on getting this game because of its potential to be a good fighting game are gonna get it anyways. Makes things harder on the guys who need to have their hands held. So while it doesn’t subtract from the quality of the actual game who knows, they could take a small hit to their sales because of it.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=745579039 Justt Bruce

IDK why I cant find skull girls on the psn
- http://www.soundcloud.com/ZeroLovesDnB 00000000
  
  … Updates generally post between 2-6pm PST on Tuesdays.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Nic-Holley/1371451240 Nic Holley

That being said, SG is awesome.
Anonymous

Why would they update the game if no ones buying it? I assume Mike Z doesn’t have 20 grand lying around. These guys wanna make money doing what they love, same as Capcom.

When any of you make a fighting game you can include all the free dlc and patches you want. As for people complaining about the move list can I get a lol from the congregation
- http://www.facebook.com/dezik J.p. Morris
  
  My problem is that the statement seems like they’re fickle with support. They are going to lose more sales than gain from saying something like that.
Anonymous

Hmm… A move list doesn’t sound like the most time consuming thing to do. So I guess they really were short on time, and I mean SHORT.
Anonymous

Hmm… A move list doesn’t sound like the most time consuming thing to do. So I guess they really were short on time, and I mean SHORT.
http://www.facebook.com/Hagaishi215 Hagaishi Kun

Oh well thats a rap!
http://www.facebook.com/people/Jesse-Brannon/100002562711425 Jesse Brannon

cool story bro…
http://twitter.com/B1jyu Stano Jaeger

I can see the move list being an issue for people with no computer/phone/console with web browsing. As for me, I will simply turn my head and look at the monitor with a move list tab open.
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1341129325 Xavier D Culver
  
  …how would they get….or even hear about Skullgirls. If they have absolutely no way to access the internet it’s highly unlikely that their friends would either.
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1341129325 Xavier D Culver
  
  …how would they get….or even hear about Skullgirls. If they have absolutely no way to access the internet it’s highly unlikely that their friends would either.
http://www.soundcloud.com/ZeroLovesDnB 00000000

I feel the headline to this article is taken a bit out of context. I watched the whole stream last night (as you can watch it now) and, yes, DLC characters and such are planned to roll out and be developed if the game gathers steam, the moveslist bit is implied as coming regardless of that factor. Can’t find the quote but the move-list “issue” was addressed by one of the team on FaceBook. The headline makes it sound that if the game doesn’t sell well there won’t be in-game command list.
http://twitter.com/IamJowin Jowin Okere

So none of you know how much it costs to patch a game huh?
https://www.develop-online.net/news/39783/Tim-Schafer-Console-patches-cost-40k

That’s PATCHING not DLC. PATCHING. And this is a small company. That’s why Capcom can barely patch sometimes. That’s alot of money.

With that said, they should Kickstarter it, if it doesn’t sell exactly like they want. But I’m sure they’ll be fine
- http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio
  
  God damn you, I was just going to link that.
  
  For those who don’t like to click links, a patch can cost $40,000.
  
  That’s a lot of bread for a tiny company.
- http://twitter.com/Cdore101 El Cor
  
  Yes, a kickstarter campaign for an in game move list patch. That would be hilarious.
  - http://twitter.com/IamJowin Jowin Okere
    
    Lol that does sound silly but I didn’t mean just the movelist. I meant a cumulative Kickstarter for everything they can’t afford at the moment even stuff like unnannounced DLC characters. Though I’d assume even with just a patch, it wouldn’t be just for the movelist, but also for things like online spectator mode and lobbies. And any other minor things they couldn’t include.
  - http://twitter.com/IamJowin Jowin Okere
    
    Lol that does sound silly but I didn’t mean just the movelist. I meant a cumulative Kickstarter for everything they can’t afford at the moment even stuff like unnannounced DLC characters. Though I’d assume even with just a patch, it wouldn’t be just for the movelist, but also for things like online spectator mode and lobbies. And any other minor things they couldn’t include.
Anonymous

Ummm, I dont see why this would be such a big issue. Even in games WITH in-game movelists, I still hit the Wikis so I dont have to pause. Its more convenient to just look back and forth like that, and its not the 90′s anymore where everything was basically a notepad document.

That said, I hope the movelists say if moves hit overhead and stuff just like the wiki. Or is some kind of improvement over the others, cuz SG needs all the help it can get to appeal to casuals.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Nicholas-Rowe/675477093 Nicholas Rowe

pc version? now make a pc version of vf5 and i have no reason to buy a shitty console ever
http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio

I honestly think the lack of training mode button display is a much bigger actual deal than the lack of movelists.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=773985511 Ricardo Medero

Capcom said the samething about UMvC3 DLC characters…..if the game sells well we getting DLC and all they did was give alts and no characters or stages
- http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio
  
  Capcom also promised DLC characters for vanilla MvC3, and not counting the starting ones, didn’t deliver.
  
  People should think carefully before making game-buying decisions based on future patches or DLC, there’s no way to know if/when they’ll ever come.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Rick-Mayo/100001141046878 Rick Mayo
  
  Not really cherishing the thought of defending Capcom, but UMvC3 didn’t sell well. If that was the stipulation, then that is probably why you didn’t get the characters.
http://www.facebook.com/Dark.Reaper.and.Galactimus.Zero Marvin Choi

Who gives a shit about movelists? When I sat down with some of my friends to play UMVC3 for the first time, we didn’t go “oh shit, wait a sec, lemme pause so I can check out this movelist”, no we just fucking PLAYED THE GAME. And then when I wanted to know something, I just asked, and they told me, it’s not rocket science.

Jesus Christ, people.
- Moribund Cadaver
  
  I think most people are using the move list issue – and lack of button display in training mode – to point out that it makes them hesitant on the future of the game. It’s unexpected and surprising that guys so hell bent on being “hardcore” with their game shipped it without some basic tools every game has, and are now making sounds about “well, we’ll update it if the game sells…”
  
  Really, everyone just has to sit and wait 2-3 weeks and see what the day one purchase statistics are like.
  
  The big potential problem Skullgirls has always faced, is that it’s a very exciting product from the standpoint of the hardcore FG player. The particulars of its fighting system and technology are designed to appeal, in the long run, to people who are the expert’s expert.
  
  But is there really that much in the game to appeal to anyone else? That’s the question. For others, and the general public, why should they bother buying Skullgirls even if it is cheap, over something like Mortal Kombat?
  
  One would suppose this is a big test. The rubber now officially hits the road for the ‘hardcore’ fighting game scene. Will all these players who rant about how much they want a Man’s Man fighting game actually buy in now that there is a title available that sports the kind of features the community has always claimed it wants? Or was it just a lot of hot air?
  
  The hardcore crowd is probably just barely large enough to support the game with sales, if they get serious about it. Because the scale of budget and development Reverge operates on is small.
  
  But if even a game this petite cannot get support from the hardcore well… those guys who run around yelling “FRAUD!” at every big name, popular fighting game just because it’s big, may want to take a look in the mirror to see who the real frauds are…
  - http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio
    
    The ‘this is a test’ thing really needs to be emphasized.
    
    From the beginning, SkG has been presented as ‘BY a hardcore competitive player FOR hardcore competitive players!’
    
    Whether or not those people are enough to carry a professionally made game has some pretty big implications to the genre, way beyond the effect of the game itself.
    - http://www.facebook.com/people/Basil-Bisiolu/100000804618260 Basil Bisiolu
      
      ……..I hope you guys are right because I don’t see how you guys can predict the future like this.
      - http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio
        
        how is saying ‘its an interesting test’ predicting the future?
        
        If it works, it will encourage more people to do the same thing.
        
        If it doesn’t work it will have a chilling effect on people thinking about it.
        
        Nobody’s saying *which* will happen.
      - http://www.facebook.com/people/Basil-Bisiolu/100000804618260 Basil Bisiolu
        
        ”Really, everyone just has to sit and wait 2-3 weeks and see what the day one purchase statistics are like.”
        
        Does truly seem like you have faith in this series? You two both have implications that series will fail….
      - http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio
        
        of course that’s not quoting me, that’s quoting Moribund Cadaver.
        
        Still it’s not about ‘having faith in the series’.
        
        The fact is the game might fail. The game also might succeed.
        
        Speculating on the hows and whys of it is a valid and interesting subject for discussion, especially given the fact that it could have wider impact on the genre in general.
  - Anonymous
    
    ….No seriously, why the hell aren’t you a front page author? x:
  - http://www.facebook.com/Dark.Reaper.and.Galactimus.Zero Marvin Choi
    
    I think you’re absolutely right.
    
    I think this release of Skullgirls will be a moment of truth for this second coming of the FGC.
    
    I mean, this really hasn’t ever happened before. A serious fighting game designed by a pillar of the fighting game community, developed with constant interaction with the most knowledgeable players in the came, hammered out to be as polished as possible, and then released exclusively DIGITALLY, of all things. There’s so much new ground being broken here for this game that it’s actually fairly scary from a marketing/publishing standpoint. I am glad that there were publishers like Autumn Games and Konami willing to take this risk.
    
    This is the type of fighting game that the FGC has supposedly been clamoring for for years, long before this resurgence of interest in the fighting game genre. If they support it and make it succeed, it will mean that this second resurgence isn’t just another fad, that it’s a real movement and that it’s actually worth giving a damn about. If they let it fail, it means that the FGC was all talk, that all of this was just for shits and giggles and that it’ll just die out in a few more years, probably with the release of SFxT going down in history as the moment where fighting games jumped the shark.
    
    I don’t want SFxT to be that moment.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z6Q3ZQWWCDKTG2DS7OHVMBEQMY BLD

I’m not too concerned with the lack of list in this game since SRK already has a wiki for it (http://wiki.shoryuken.com/Skullgirls). DLC’s an added bonus for me, at this point.

I’m really liking the game, so far and the amount of work and response the developers are putting into this.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Matt-Frank/1156269119 Matt Frank

If something as small as this affects your purchase of the game, then let’s be honest; you were just looking for an excuse to skip it anyways.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Matt-Frank/1156269119 Matt Frank

If something as small as this affects your purchase of the game, then let’s be honest; you were just looking for an excuse to skip it anyways.
Anonymous

can someone explain to me how a movelist effects online quality and others?. because this just sound stupid. I don’t need a movelist to play. I just wanna know.
- http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio
  
  I kind of suspect its a base quality thing; it just makes people think they’re cutting corners and weren’t really dedicated to making a complete product. It’s not like adding movelists is a difficult, time consuming, complex process.
Anonymous

can someone explain to me how a movelist effects online quality and others?. because this just sound stupid. I don’t need a movelist to play. I just wanna know.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Murray/611100197 Mike Murray

I suppose Kickstarter’s always an option.
Anonymous

Once the game is played and if for some reason you won’t have enough money/support to make dlcs, why not try kickstarter project? I mean skullgirlz have an awesome potential to become a great game.

That way you can cut the annoying middle man. The downpoint is that it is probably best to use PC as a platform rather than ps3 or xbox360 since dlc-s patchs and updates aren’t doesn’t have a sof messed upo policies on pc.

A goog highquality PC fighting game on kickstarter, now that I would like to see. But I hope skullgirls kicks of even without it.

I am sick of seeing developers on the last end of a chain. What kinda f@(2 upped business model is that…
- http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio
  
  especially with Mike blaming his publisher up above >>
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Basil-Bisiolu/100000804618260 Basil Bisiolu
    
    No he isn’t, dude.
    
    Stop trolling people.
    - http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio
      
      “If the publisher feels like it isn’t worth supporting, it’s out of our hands completely.”
      
      If its crowdsourced, they’d presumably be the ones who had the say, so it would remove that problem, no?
      ~~~
      
      And don’t call people trolls because you don’t like what they have to say. It’s pretty damn weak sauce.
      - http://www.facebook.com/people/Basil-Bisiolu/100000804618260 Basil Bisiolu
        
        .That’s just how Business work, dude. He is not blaming the publisher, he is stating A FACT. There is nothing suggesting that he doesn’t think it won’t work or not. You are implying that he is blaming the publisher, which is there no basis of.
        
        Than again, most people don’t really know how business works in the gaming world.
      - http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio
        
        I honestly thought they were self-publishing, which is probably why I noticed it.
        
        It’s not about whether its true or not, its the comparison between saying ‘its the publisher’s decision’ (which he specifically said) and funding the game via crowdsourcing which would essentially remove that issue.
        
        Edit: It would be pretty awesome to see a professionally made, crowdsourced fighting game.
Anonymous

So much controversy over a tiny feature not being in ATM__

Iunno about y’all, but I’m using an iPod right now & with it, will have a movelist up as reference (I basically studied the moves & know em by heart. Once again, NOT neurosurgery)

Stop whining & loafing::IZ SKULLGALS BAYBEE! If you’re gunna LET yourself be held back by an external fkn movelist___y’all needa develop some independence or sum’n -_

& DIY stuff is always fun! :3
http://www.facebook.com/people/Yan-Zhao/10516382 Yan Zhao

…I dont get it. Its a freaking move list. It shouldnt be that hard to implement in the first place. You dont need to even program anything difficult. Just a scrolly window with information in them.

You know, its great that SRK has the movelist and all, but you still gota realize not every potential buyer goes to this site. You’re hurting your sales from the casual crowd, which frankly is the majority of the consumers.

I honestly dont buy the whole time issue. This is something simple to implement. Dumb decision on their part. Its great if you made a super awesome fighting game but it means jack squat if nobody is buying it because you omitted minor, yet important features to the non-hardcore.
- Anonymous
  
  Maybe I don’t like to press start every damn time, meander through the options to find the move list, then scroll some more to see all the moves. It shouldn’t be a deal breaker. I’m as casual as they come, and I am going to buy the game just to show support for the dev team, and hopefully learn from the in-depth tutorial that everyone claims they have!
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Yan-Zhao/10516382 Yan Zhao
    
    You prove my point: You know what Skullgirls is and you frequent this site.
    
    What about the others? A lot of the not-so-informed consumers will be angry when they buy this and cant find a move list and have to resort to the internet. Then they’ll just tell their buddies to not get the game and the cycle goes on.
    
    You can speak for yourself but not everyone else. Its not a deal breaker for me either but I still have to point out how stupid of a move this is from a marketting/business standpoint.
    - Anonymous
      
      This is a brand spanking new game with no track record, people should show a little compassion if mistakes are made and be patient with the dev team! The casuals should really do their due diligence and research the game thorough. You will be right that some will look to avoid this game just because there is no move list from launch, but I truly believe this game will sell really good through their promises of a great netcode and deep tutorial. And the word of mouth will be the final comfort that casuals need to put down 15 dollars and buy it. Honestly if the lack of a move list is the worst thing with the game, then this will probably be the best $15 bucks spent on a video game this year.
http://www.facebook.com/Raiden365 Richard Byrd

No in game movelist? At least SRK put the guide up early.
http://twitter.com/PANDEMlC Nayr

Does this game feature any leaderboards or ranked matches at all? Also I heard you can’t set the dummy to block in training mode, is that true?
http://twitter.com/PANDEMlC Nayr

Does this game feature any leaderboards or ranked matches at all? Also I heard you can’t set the dummy to block in training mode, is that true?
http://twitter.com/PANDEMlC Nayr

Also it only has 2 player lobbies at the moment. Another potential flaw people will care a lot about. Not being able to play with all their friends in the same lobby at once.
http://twitter.com/Darkforge Bevan Djernaes

This is really surprising especially all there talk about their training modes and teaching people to play, and yet they cant even patch in a movelist? … really?
http://twitter.com/Darkforge Bevan Djernaes

This is really surprising especially all there talk about their training modes and teaching people to play, and yet they cant even patch in a movelist? … really?
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=689276930 Ben Solem

> Reads bitching about Dungeon Defenders DLC
> Goes to buy Skullgirls
> Sees Dungeon Defenders DLC.
Maximilian Kaluschke

I reall like supporting smaller businesses, but the body proportions displayed in the game are way too extreme for me, it’s not pleasant to look at for me. It’s sad because the art style in general looks really good.
Maximilian Kaluschke

I reall like supporting smaller businesses, but the body proportions displayed in the game are way too extreme for me, it’s not pleasant to look at for me. It’s sad because the art style in general looks really good.
http://www.facebook.com/DefenseAttourneyOffice David Bannister

They have the movelists on the wiki. If it’s really that important to you, then just look that up. Sheesh. >.>
http://www.facebook.com/DefenseAttourneyOffice David Bannister

They have the movelists on the wiki. If it’s really that important to you, then just look that up. Sheesh. >.>
Anonymous

SF x Tekken say they could not add an feature because they didn’t have time, and everyone rage whine.
Skullgirls say they could not add an feature because they didn’t have time, and everyone still sucks Mike Z dick.
- Mash Harder
  
  Capcom stripped out an advertised feature from the xbox version, but spent the time to add it to the playstation version. Then they sold us the game without telling anybody they were selling xbox owners a gimped version. Then they told us it was Microsoft’s fault and that it was not possible on xbox. Then they changed their minds and instead told us they don’t ever intend to add it to the xbox version.
  
  Skullgirls didn’t add movelists to either system, which are not terribly hard to find elsewhere anyways. They told “us” about it before it was available for purchase. Assuming the game sells enough copies to cover the 40k patching cost per system (so x2) along with recouping development costs and paying their employees — they will add it to the game for free (as it should be), and it will probably be part of the first DLC character patch, to save some money.
  
  Your comparison is flawed.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Salman-Hannan/504153545 Salman Hannan
  
  1. People aren’t sucking his dick, they are complaining like bitches without knowing what they’re talking about
  2. Mike Z has ALREADY SAID hosting fees cost thousands of dollars, he’s not going to pay that if he doesn’t make any money from the game, which is fair dos. He didn’t put the feature in because its completely minor and would take away from many of the other more ideal features of the game. Programming isn’t like simple HTML or CSS websites, you don’t just implement a jpeg image into the menu, it takes actual programming, implementation, testing, conversion for different consoles, etc etc etc.
  
  I really think everyone in SRK is an idiot.
Quintus Havis

Only reason I see this even mattering is because throw specials use the throw command instead of just punch or kick. Otherwise, noobs that I’ve known typically don’t sit and ponder a move list. They just go in and do Ryu/Ken shit and see what happens.

Mountains out of molehills.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Roberto-Armando-Iraheta/775564143 Roberto Armando Iraheta

Male characters?!? Blasphemy!
http://www.facebook.com/people/Roberto-Armando-Iraheta/775564143 Roberto Armando Iraheta

Male characters?!? Blasphemy!
http://www.facebook.com/people/Roberto-Armando-Iraheta/775564143 Roberto Armando Iraheta

Male characters?!? Blasphemy!
http://twitter.com/iminthenet2 iminthenet2

They better not troll on us or else…
http://twitter.com/iminthenet2 iminthenet2

They better not troll on us or else…
http://www.facebook.com/people/Salman-Hannan/504153545 Salman Hannan

Or, you know, you could go in training mode and just fiddle around with QCF, SRK and Charge and see what moves come out?

This isn’t tekken, every character only has five or so moves.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Ian-Lyons/1581152170 Ian Lyons

SFXT was never and will never be a good game, i felt cheated. I’m buying both versions of skullgirls though, thank the fighting game gods we have a new and worthy ip. Thank you mike Z!
Anonymous

that’s….really friggin’ sad Mike. And also sloppy. Putting an actual movelist into the game is one of the most basic features next to having a punch button.
http://www.facebook.com/Dark.Reaper.and.Galactimus.Zero Marvin Choi

Honestly, people, at the end of the day, who’s going to go “oh this game look interesting, oop, wait, it doesn’t have a movelist. No buy for me”.

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Honestly, people, at the end of the day, who’s going to go “oh this game look interesting, oop, wait, it doesn’t have a movelist. No buy for me”.

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http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-E-Medley/1506442014 Victor E. Medley

THANKS SO MUCH MIKE Z and all of Reverge Labs and Autumn Games Company!!!! The game is amazing and I can’t wait for all of the dlc to come out. Until then, I can’t buy this game for 1200MSP! I will wait on this one. But again CONGRATULATIONS FOR THE AWARDS and great job!!!
http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-E-Medley/1506442014 Victor E. Medley

THANKS SO MUCH MIKE Z and all of Reverge Labs and Autumn Games Company!!!! The game is amazing and I can’t wait for all of the dlc to come out. Until then, I can’t buy this game for 1200MSP! I will wait on this one. But again CONGRATULATIONS FOR THE AWARDS and great job!!!
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I’m going to support this game company and Mike Z. I will BUY Skull Girls tomorrow to make sure that the dlc content will be in progress. That and I love the game!
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TO MIKE Z:

You know, coming from an amateur programmer and someone who works as an account manager himself, I will give you credit Mike, for doing something like this. I am sure that you have invested a lot of capital and resources into this endeavor. Not to mention that it took a lot of guts to make such a move and attempt to break into a field that is dominated by so many big brands as is.

With that being said though, I am not impressed with the game. This does not feel like a professional or even semi-professional level game, but instead more like a free fan game I would find on the net. The last boss for example, is stiff, awful, and appears to be a real rush job, that feels flat and lifeless. And stating that you guys will include a patch with a movelist IF THE GAME SELLS is a lousy practice in general. The gfx on the rest of the characters I think look really good, but the overall effects in the game, sounds, and even a lot of things with the backgrounds just don’t cut it, and there was room for major improvement with them. It honestly feels rushed.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s not all bad: the tutorial and story mode are really cool. And as I said before the characters themselves (with the exception of the last boss) look really well done gfx wise. And I will admit, that as a male all the panty/cleavage shots do add some fun sexual appeal to the game too, but without making it a game for “horny fanboys” only. The fighting itself goes at a descent pace, and the combos are smooth and fluid, but the game doesn’t move sooooooooo fast (like MvC3 for example) that you feel like you barely have time to think. It actually reminds me a bit of playing SF Alpha 3, but with Guilty Gear XX combos and physics.

I also understand the pressures of having a sponsor rush you to put out a product. So with that being said, you will hopefully now have ample opportunities to put out patches that will improve this game, and hopefully make it into the professional looking product we were all waiting to see. Not because it will line your pockets, but because you should take pride in your creation, and strive to improve upon it. In all honesty, I hope that at the very least you make a good enough sized profit that it makes all your time and efforts worth it in your eyes and that this was an excellent learning experience for you.

TO EVERYONE ELSE:

On a side note, the fact that Mike, or anyone else is a member of ANY community is irrelevant; and it is scary how many brainless parrots on here say that people should buy this product just to support him and the “community.” People should only by a product because they feel they would be happy with it, enjoy it, and get their money’s worth. That is all are there is to it. Who he is or who he knows irrelevant, I couldn’t care less who made the game. Whether it was capcom, nintendo, sega, or some indie developer, what matters is the quality of it overall and whether I enjoy it and am happy with my purchase.

I do not mean the above in a rude way, but hearing people say things like this game “DESERVES” to be supported or “support the little guy” are just stupid to me. I do not intend to support ANYONE just because I can or should; I intend to support someone’s efforts only IF I am happy with the product. And that’s it.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=691921077 Esco Escobar

TO MIKE Z:

You know, coming from an amateur programmer and someone who works as an account manager himself, I will give you credit Mike, for doing something like this. I am sure that you have invested a lot of capital and resources into this endeavor. Not to mention that it took a lot of guts to make such a move and attempt to break into a field that is dominated by so many big brands as is.

With that being said though, I am not impressed with the game. This does not feel like a professional or even semi-professional level game, but instead more like a free fan game I would find on the net. The last boss for example, is stiff, awful, and appears to be a real rush job, that feels flat and lifeless. And stating that you guys will include a patch with a movelist IF THE GAME SELLS is a lousy practice in general. The gfx on the rest of the characters I think look really good, but the overall effects in the game, sounds, and even a lot of things with the backgrounds just don’t cut it, and there was room for major improvement with them. It honestly feels rushed.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s not all bad: the tutorial and story mode are really cool. And as I said before the characters themselves (with the exception of the last boss) look really well done gfx wise. And I will admit, that as a male all the panty/cleavage shots do add some fun sexual appeal to the game too, but without making it a game for “horny fanboys” only. The fighting itself goes at a descent pace, and the combos are smooth and fluid, but the game doesn’t move sooooooooo fast (like MvC3 for example) that you feel like you barely have time to think. It actually reminds me a bit of playing SF Alpha 3, but with Guilty Gear XX combos and physics.

I also understand the pressures of having a sponsor rush you to put out a product. So with that being said, you will hopefully now have ample opportunities to put out patches that will improve this game, and hopefully make it into the professional looking product we were all waiting to see. Not because it will line your pockets, but because you should take pride in your creation, and strive to improve upon it. In all honesty, I hope that at the very least you make a good enough sized profit that it makes all your time and efforts worth it in your eyes and that this was an excellent learning experience for you.

TO EVERYONE ELSE:

On a side note, the fact that Mike, or anyone else is a member of ANY community is irrelevant; and it is scary how many brainless parrots on here say that people should buy this product just to support him and the “community.” People should only by a product because they feel they would be happy with it, enjoy it, and get their money’s worth. That is all are there is to it. Who he is or who he knows irrelevant, I couldn’t care less who made the game. Whether it was capcom, nintendo, sega, or some indie developer, what matters is the quality of it overall and whether I enjoy it and am happy with my purchase.

I do not mean the above in a rude way, but hearing people say things like this game “DESERVES” to be supported or “support the little guy” are just stupid to me. I do not intend to support ANYONE just because I can or should; I intend to support someone’s efforts only IF I am happy with the product. And that’s it.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Victor-E-Medley/1506442014 Victor E. Medley

To everyone…JUST SUPPORT THE GAME!!!
Jason Meairs

I just wanted to put this out there: Although I usually tend to put myself towards the “hardcore”/avid side of gamers, when it comes to fighters I consider myself to be much more of a casual gamer. I mostly just play them for fun with friends, and am not really good, nor do I really try to put in any time to improve in them. I just downloaded the demo for Skullgirls to make sure it was something I wanted to buy, as it seemed during development to hold some promise, and was very confused when I couldn’t find an in-game command list, which prompted me to Google the problem, and that’s how I got here. Honestly, even though the developers may have felt that it was a minor, unnecessary detail, I am now not willing to buy the game unless one gets added in. I really don’t want to have to constantly refer to a document just to know what I’m doing, when I should be able to quickly pause, check, and continue, as is the standard for the genre. Maybe I’m being petty, but I honestly think this is a much bigger oversight than the developers consider it to be, as it really does discourage casual gamers from making the purchase.
Jason Meairs

I just wanted to put this out there: Although I usually tend to put myself towards the “hardcore”/avid side of gamers, when it comes to fighters I consider myself to be much more of a casual gamer. I mostly just play them for fun with friends, and am not really good, nor do I really try to put in any time to improve in them. I just downloaded the demo for Skullgirls to make sure it was something I wanted to buy, as it seemed during development to hold some promise, and was very confused when I couldn’t find an in-game command list, which prompted me to Google the problem, and that’s how I got here. Honestly, even though the developers may have felt that it was a minor, unnecessary detail, I am now not willing to buy the game unless one gets added in. I really don’t want to have to constantly refer to a document just to know what I’m doing, when I should be able to quickly pause, check, and continue, as is the standard for the genre. Maybe I’m being petty, but I honestly think this is a much bigger oversight than the developers consider it to be, as it really does discourage casual gamers from making the purchase.
Jason Meairs

I just wanted to put this out there: Although I usually tend to put myself towards the “hardcore”/avid side of gamers, when it comes to fighters I consider myself to be much more of a casual gamer. I mostly just play them for fun with friends, and am not really good, nor do I really try to put in any time to improve in them. I just downloaded the demo for Skullgirls to make sure it was something I wanted to buy, as it seemed during development to hold some promise, and was very confused when I couldn’t find an in-game command list, which prompted me to Google the problem, and that’s how I got here. Honestly, even though the developers may have felt that it was a minor, unnecessary detail, I am now not willing to buy the game unless one gets added in. I really don’t want to have to constantly refer to a document just to know what I’m doing, when I should be able to quickly pause, check, and continue, as is the standard for the genre. Maybe I’m being petty, but I honestly think this is a much bigger oversight than the developers consider it to be, as it really does discourage casual gamers from making the purchase.
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