Street Fighter x Tekken Tournament Patch Now Available On PSN and XBL

There is a TINY amount of lag now. To me at least it was almost unnoticeable! Rather have that than deal with that awful sound bug!

Didn’t Ono or some Capcom Official state that getting rid of the sound issue would cause an increase in lag?

Either or ey?

this what im waiting!! sounds issues!!

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guess i’ll just stick to AE at this point… 

Wow, what a stupid F***** fix. I was one of the biggest supporter and defender of this game when people were bashing it. But, if capcom is this stupid and think people would rather play with input delay, then I’ll be glad to return this game and just get skull girls.

This is the last capcom game I’ll buy, and I didn’t buy umvc3 because mvc3 netcode was on part with xbox one fighting games.

I’m sure capcom doesn’t care, but none the less you lost a customer. 

I always play while listening to music or something, suck that something that didn’t bother me about the game now will… The netcode. Well enjoy your sound on dropped combos and such. 

Eh I still like the game…..Man its gonna be funny when they release these new characters and no one buys them.

The amount of trolling here is off the charts. I didn’t buy SFxT and I think it looks like a hunk of shit aesthetically, but this sound issue fix is good. PC GGPO manages to have sound with fantastically smooth gameplay, BlazBlue is smooth, Arcana Heart 3(ASW used BB netcode) runs well, and SCV is a great online game. Having sound doesn’t mean the game will run like crap online. 

This is a good fix. I may even buy the game now that I know the sound issues are a bit better. 

Wow i didn’t realize how much sound matters, just had a long winning streak after thus patch with my Bison/Juri team.

I’m reading the comments and it looks like only one or two people on this pages played the game after the patch. All these comments because of one line ” While it could just be my opponents, it felt like there was slightly more input delay in a few of my matches after the patch. ” It could have been his opponent, you know. I won’t be playing this for a couple of days (finals) but I wish somebody could test it out for us, and give his impressions.

I can’t believe there are as many comments are there are right now screaming about input delay as if it’s a fact.  The random story submission from the guy writing the article thought there may or may not be delay based on his matchups.  He couldn’t quite tell.  Maximillian just posted a Youtube video that said he noticed no difference at all.

Yet everyone is going nuts as if the netcode just went back to Vanilla SF4 style input when in fact NOTHING CHANGED.

I don’t think anybody on this page has actually played the game since the patch came out.

Does this patch fix the issue with having 2 human opponents over Live??  Whenever there are 2 human players on the opposite side in a ranked match the severe lag makes the matches unplayable for me. Anyone else have this issue?

i dont see why you should have to choose one or the other (sound/smooth matches)  why are people even trying to defend this shit?

There doesn’t seem to be ANY difference after the patch, and it’s still better than AE online.

Full disclosure:

I am a programmer. I don’t program fighting games but I love them, follow them, study them, play them  and will perhaps program one later on when it makes financial sense to do so.

I do however program games and one of them was a rhythm-based shooter that required millisecond frame-timing.

Here’s a little breakdown on fighting game netcode methods for those that are getting confused:

The problem: Two people are playing but they have a fifth of a second communication delay between them due to the internet (200ms ping). This means that if player 1 blocks, and a tenth of a second later, player 2 does a sweep, on player 1′s game he will block the sweep while on player 2′s game he will connect the sweep, and both games will go wildly out of sync.

Solution one (common solution): Input lag

Instead of allowing player 1′s inputs to take place instantly, we register the input but do nothing for a fixed period of time. To compensate for the lag, we decide to wait for a fifth of a second. We know he has pressed block, but we leave his character wide open and wait for 200 milliseconds. On player 2′s side, we do the same thing. 200 milliseconds later, we activate the block and 100 milliseconds after this(remember, player 2 was a tenth of a second late) we activate the sweep. We can do this because we waited long enough for both consoles to be sure they had recieved the inputs. Player 1 blocks the sweep, as was intended, the games remain in sync, and all is right with the world.

Problems: We gamers hate input delay when it gets too bad. On a poor connection, this input delay can completely mess with the game, since you can’t block or respond to onscreen events on reaction. Players who spend a long time learning to compensate for lag will mess up their offline skills. Certain types of mixup become almost impossible to block since by the time you see the visuals of an incoming attack, it is already too late to respond to it on reaction due to the input delay.

Advantages: the game deceptively looks as if it is playing smoothly- only the person playing knows what is happening.

Creative ways people have sidestepped the problems:

* DOA4 would vary the speed of the game when it detected laggy connections, in an effort to allow players more time to respond, and to mask the input delay since it would appear as if the entire game is running slow. Not sure if this was a good approach.

* SF4 and AE seem (I dont know this for sure) to use a combination of a less aggressive version of DOA4′s method combined with a design that is more amicable to buffered inputs than many traditional 2d games. You still notice the input lag when hit confirming and so forth, but since many moves have these huge buffer windows, people become accustomed to executing moves ahead of time.

* Soulcalibur 5: Seems to have pulled off the ultimate scam and fooled thousands of gamers into applauding their “godly netcode” by simply redesigning the game to make a large buffer window the norm. So most players never see any input lag because players are making their inputs ahead of time anyway, and nothing happens that makes the reaction window apparent. This is based on hearsay though- I am yet to experience SC5′s netcode in sufficently poor conditions.

Solution two (less common, holy grail of fighting games): Rollback

Here, we decide we don’t want to interfere with the normal flow of the game. So what we do, is we allow each player’s console to proceed as it sees fit to do with the players’ inputs.

So player 1 blocks, and sees nothing happen on his screen 100 milliseconds later, even though player 2 already did a sweep by that time. Player 2 on the other hand does a sweep on player 1 who appears to be standing there wide open, and sees it connect with satisfaction.

At this point, the consoles notify each other that they have gone out of sync. Player 1 sees his character standing there looking just fine while player 2 has connected a sweep. Instead of crashing out with an error, what we now do is perform a “rollback”.

Essentially both consoles will (invisibly) return the game to the last known point where the games were perfectly in sync. They will then, now using the complete input data from both players, replay the game in their memory but executing each player’s inputs on the exact millisecond the player inputted them. They wont show the players this, but will record the state of the game invisibly. As soon as they get to the point where the game *should* be at this point, they will suddenly restore the game to its current status on both player’s screens simultaneously.

This is the magic once exemplified by GGPO, in its most basic form (in reality there are a number of optimizations but this is the basic idea). Player 1 will see player 2 suddenly jerk from a standing position to having just connected a blocked sweep, and player 2 will see his sweep which appeared to have connected, suddenly appear to have been blocked. Player 2 may feel this is unfair, but the truth is player1 was indeed blocking when he attempted the sweep.

So, we have a game where all timing is exact and perfect, and if you see someone coming with some crazy mixup you can react on time…. as long as it wasn’t invisible before the rollback and you suddenly saw him “blink” into place infront of your face at the last moment. Since many fighting  games rely on reads and timing, many gamers prefer this as implemented in GGPO and have hailed it as the best approach.

Problems:
As mentioned above, visual glitches. The more the rollbacks, the more skippy and glitchy the game appears to be.

Anger from players that dont understand the system, as they see their victories morph into defeats before their very eyes.

visual glitches are more apparent and more jarring in games that have smoother animation, for example 3d games like SFxTekken vs 2d games like Alpha 2.

audio glitches- in the case of SF3 third strike, sound effects initiated before rollback are allowed to play to completion, so sometimes you see someone block while a hit sound is played. in games like sf x tekken, audio for cancelled animations seems to be cut short, so you hear a nasty clipped sound, and audio triggered by moves that started during the invisible “fastforward” after the rollback are not taken into account, so they are executed silently. This means the more the rollbacks, the less the audio.

Creative solutions:

At the moment it’s hard for me to guess at these, but with third strike I noticed an input lag setting. This means that GGPO itself has the option of introducing a tiny bit of input lag to reduce the number of times a rollback occurs. This lag is hopefully not enough to throw most players off (human beings have a very slow reaction time- godlike reflexes of FG players is due to memorised timing) but not long enough to completely compensate for the bad ping- rollback does the rest but since the differences are not so huge, the glitches happen less often.

One theoretical solution would be to play “buffered” sound effects…so if something happens while rolling forward after a rollback, you play the sound at the end anyway. It will be a few milliseconds late, but it won’t “cut out”, and hopefully will not anger gamers. I hope capcom tries something like this.

Sadly, from the article it seems capcom may have just decided that rollback isn’t worth implementing and returned to a “safe” input lag strategy. I sincerely hope this isn’t the case. I hope they delay the sound effects to pacify angry gamers… but either way it may just be moot at this point.

PS disclaimer: i do not work for Capcom and this info is gotten mainly from personal experience and online sources- no insider sources or anything like that.

I had a feeling this wouldnt be a fix all but I tend not to be as picky as others when it comes to input delay.

Oh crap a wall of text

TimMcMillan,
You sound ridiculous with that “we brought it on ourselves” crap, so I guess wanting a game to work the way “it’s supposed to” is an unfair request?  So selling a game knowing there was a sound issue although they didn’t tell us about it is acceptable?  I hope you’re a troll because I cannot fathom any other reason you could make such a preposterous comment!

LuciferD666,

Because this game was rushed to the market that is the only reason, ppl keep saying 4 fighters on the screen and rah but there are usualy 2 players fighting 90% of the time and that was even sloppy.  In a game like MAG with 128 players at the same time I find it utterly ridiculous to not have 4 especially when MK does it so smoothly.  It’s a pile of rubbish!

LuciferD666,

Because this game was rushed to the market that is the only reason, ppl keep saying 4 fighters on the screen and rah but there are usualy 2 players fighting 90% of the time and that was even sloppy.  In a game like MAG with 128 players at the same time I find it utterly ridiculous to not have 4 especially when MK does it so smoothly.  It’s a pile of rubbish!

I’ve never really had much trouble lag-wise when it comes to Capcom. They might have some bad luck every once in a while but the online for me has always been fairly solid.

I really wanted to like this game but it looks like its going to GameStop even though I purchased the extra content.  Without proper sound its too difficult to play my bp is 120 lol but I am 10000+ in AE

Everyone should just go back to SF4 and forget SFXT, seriously. It’s better in all aspects.

  i noticed after the patch my offline training attack data display added +20 heavy punches +7 to standing light punches . so i backed out and turned off  gems and sill extra damage.  when i  went online briefing room session with a friend they were normal. but Im wondering if any one else has this problem or if its happening on ps3 also

Let’s face it. Either Capcom don’t have a QA team or they need to be fired. You don’t release a broken/unfinished game for fuck’s sake, although I guess Black Ops set the precedent for it. This game is the biggest disappointment in games since FFXII, which was god awful in every respect.