Gamespot Thinks A New Standard Must Be Set To Fix The Fighting Game Genre

Too bad MK9 is still worse than SFXT, not that the latter is THAT good.

Are really necessary the pictures of that shitty movie?

Who the fuck is Maxwell Mcgee? also fuck Gamespot.

Its hard to satisfy people who will never touch the single player of a fighter and people who want lots of single player features.
 

its like if we loved cars and someone who didnt know what a car was told us that cars are shit and how to make cars not-shit so that they will like cars.

how is MK a gold standard, its the same shit different disc/cartridge…they even left the button delay in it for god sake. SF games have depth to the game play and really doesnt need an ingame economy

Look man! This is all the fucking game genres have to do in terms of a standard!!!!
GO
BACK
TO
THE
FUCKING
BASICS!!!!!!!!!! PERIOD!!!!!!!!
3D is fine but not in terms of side scroll fight!!!!!
just have more high res graphics and better shading and dont add unnecessary lines to give the impression like the fighters have been cutting themselves before a fight ever happened!!!!!!!
I would pay great amount of dollars if capcom revised the engine used for rival schools and project justice, and give it some elements of MvsC1 and WHAMMO!!! Capcom would be back on top!!! faster than a kardashian on an athelete!!!

LOL every comment is showing noone read it. The artcile is about making the games interesting for those that arent tourny goers. It talks about making a very robust single player mode.

Stay free all of you.

fucking hilarious

 I kinda agree to a point. O__o I actually enjoyed unlocking every new character in Marvel 2 back on the Dreamcast.

well adding abunch of random modes is good for casuals I guess but for me only thing I need is training,arcade,vs,online

You can have single player modes without affecting the depth of the overall gameplay, you know . . .

My original gut reaction to even just the title of this story was to be like “…fuckin scrub doesn’t know what he’s talking about”, but the more I thought about the article the more I agree with most of it.

I’ve played fighting games competitively for roughly 8 years before stopping in 2010.  The only reason I play fighting games now is it’s sorta in my blood.  I think it’s the same with all my friends who’ve traveled across the country to various tournies with me.  The reason we pick up a new fighting game is to check it out, see what the buzz it about.  If I never played fighting games competitively to begin with, I don’t think I would pick up UMVC3, SFXT etc etc, because I agree with the premise of his article:  that is outside of the competitive play, there is no reason to.  It’s not fun playing the CPU over and over again…not to mention counter productive to getting good at the game.  I agree fighting games should expand outside of what they are now to improve mass appeal.

However, I do find it ironic that EVO and fighting games in general are more
popular than they’ve ever been.  Compare EVO2k3 with last years EVO and
it’s a different league now, so to imply there is something wrong with
the fighting game genre is absurd imo.  Also I do find it ironic that
all of my friends who play fighting games, DON’T play MK9…yet this guy
is saying it’s the gold standard of fighting games.

Nice read.

call me crazy but I’m pretty sure most to all current fighters have these modes.

Even though I wouldn’t mind having a better storyline and single player mode just to fool around, these opinions many people are having are a little off.
They need to make a profile of the consumer that’s going to be playing these games for months to come i.e FGC. In my opinion, when I buy a Fighting game, the first thing I do is going to trials or practice mode. I won’t touch the other modes until a few days later, and I really don’t think that’s just me.

I like FG’s, I like them a lot and is mostly the only games I play and buy. I also buy the DLC, maybe not all of it but some.
I think the approach is wrong. Game developers should look for a way to bring back the spark that FG’s had before, instead of thinking of ways of just getting more money, because it’s leading the genre in the wrong way. Maybe if they brought back the glory this genre once had, they would get the sales they expect.

Games are supposed to be fun, that’s a must. They must have a competitive aspect too, and I do not mean that the game should be overly complicated, just enough to motivate someone to be good at it. But most of all, the games must make you want to play it, and that’s probably something that’s missing here.

I really do hope, the genre gets better over the years, get some new boold, new ideas I don’t know. Make someone else’s childhood as great as mine was with the FG’s from the past.

 points could be earned through online play with rewards for reversals, tag combos, combo length, finishing with supers or cross arts. Rewarding players for getting better at the game, would make a lot more people try harder and feel accomplished once they do it..

The genre doesn’t need fixing. This community needs fixing. People should be playing the BEST games, not the prettiest/shallowest/most familiar brands.

The hate for MK9 is strong. You’re all missing the point. Instead of basing your opinion on the fact that you don’t like the fighting engine, look at what it got right. As a complete videogame,one that I wouldn’t mind spending $60 dollars on, MK9 beats every recent Capcom fighting game easily. They did everything Capcom says they can’t with each release. The point of having all these modes and features is the drive to come back to the game. It also allows players to get competitive and get better without realizing it and growing the scene. 

I always thought a brand new NRS x Capcom fighting game would be incredible. Let Capcom handle the fighting Engine and create the characters styles and moves. Let NRS create all the modes. They should work on the character concepts and art together. I don’t see how this game could possibly be bad. They would both excel where the other fails. If they partnered with Namco for a Tekken crossover which I never saw coming, I don’t see why they couldn’t do it here.

SFxT already has what would be considered rewards from the Krypt, but it’s all DLC.

Gamespot…Gamespot…

Oh right, that website that fired the editor for giving Kane and Lynch 2 a subpar score when advertisements for the game were plastered all over the site. Silly me, I had wiped them from my memory.

I’ve never expected a story in my fighting game. I really don’t get 

I dont understand why mk9 should be the standard of single player content. It had a story mode which i played through once and never will go back to. It had that challenge tower which was a bunch of annoying minigames that angered me more than anything. And Its crypt. It lasted me two days and i never went back.

Blazblue on the other hand has a deeper story mode. Score attack for those looking for a challenge. Unlimited mars for those looking for an even harder challenge. A deep tutorial for new players that give strategies for every character. Trail mode with mostly useful combos to learn. A survival mode where you change the stats of your characters with game breaking abilities for casual fun. A gallery with much more content than the crypt. Unlimited characters for the casuals to screw around with. And all of this stuff isnt just a one time run like mk9s story or minigame mode. They are a bunch of modes that offer fun single player content for the casuals. They also make you a better player by increasing your execution while playing….except when using the unlimited characters of course. Mk9 isnt the standard for single player content in a fighting game, its blazblue that should get the recognition. 

lol @ at all you social scrubs getting bent because someone not in your
precious “community” (btw, a community helps and supports others as
well as encourages others to be a part of it, they don’t trash each
other at every opportunity) thinks that fighting games could use more
content. What’s really funny is that most of you bitch and moan when a
new fighting game comes out and it has less content than you think it
should.

Gamespot. People still take this joke of a website seriously? What really needs to happen in the fighting genre is a standardization of modes and features with emphasis on making the engine and online as robust as possible and easy to find games.

Also it will always be a niche market, its the nature of the genre these games take too much skill to be rewarding for the average gamer. Simple as that. We need fewer more robust releases to stop the implosion they talk about.

Funny though. I simply thought we had no fighting games this gen early on because developers just didn’t make any, not that they didn’t sell….

Namco still get it as there games have a lot of unlocks and reputability single player. NRS also get it. Capcom are the culprits here there single player content and unlocks is essentially DLC you have to pay for which should be part of the standard game especially since it’s most of the time already on the fucking disk.

Between the ten metric tons of trolling of SFxT, here’s a little detail that almost everyone (even reviewers?!) seemed to entirely overlook about the game:

The moment you press “start” for the first time, the game actually asks if you want to begin a true tutorial on how to play the game. And guess what? SFxT’s tutorial introduction is actually pretty damn good. It’s missing a couple of things, but it does walk the player through lots of basic concepts and makes them understand what the game’s various systems do, and what they’re for.

This is the first and foremost thing fighting games actually do need to progress. They need better in-game instruction to turn those “scrubs” into players who understand there are things they need to know in order to get better and even have more fun with the game.

This article, by itself, is really not bad at all. Here’s the thing. It’s not impossible at all to make a fighting game that deeply serves people who want to play versus and those who want single player fun. What it takes to do this is the magic ingredient that most fighting games are still missing:

Money.

Want to know why MK9 had so much “kontent”, and such a long involved story mode, with so many expertly animated in-game cut scenes, so much voice acting, etc?

Because Warner Bros. wanted the game to be a huge hit with everyone and they authorized Netherrealm to spend a crapton of money on development. AAA game budget, the kind you’d usually see for something like a “Gears of War”.

That’s why the game had so many characters for a fresh reboot, so many super detailed stages, so many bonus modes, so much story, everything. The money and time required to do it right was invested.

The problem with fighting game is that they hover in an uncomfortable fringe between niche and mainstream. Nobody big, including Capcom, is wiling to commit that much development resources to a fighting game. Most games end up gimped in one way or another with visible signs of the point where the money ran out and the dev cycle was cut short.

About the only lower budget game series with tons of Kontent is BlazBlue and that’s because careful shortcuts are used to construct most of the content, like its cheap to produce visual novel-style story scenes.

So fighting games are in a bind. If Capcom invested tons of money and made a game the next MK9, it might sell five+ million copies and be a game changer. Or it might flop as FG sales are not a safe bet.

If I were to throw a wild random guess out, I would peg the next Darkstalkers game as a candidate for Capcom, say, to make a big push to capture the MK9-style audience. The series has lore, it has unusual and unique characters, and a story mode could be constructed around its gothic monsters and vampires, something with a LOT more mainstream appeal than a story about a fighting tournament.

SkullGirls is gonna revolutionize baby! Can’t wait to buy & play it in April. Thank god for Alex Ahad & Mike Z.

Fuck Capcom.
They no longer lead this genre.
Enough of them.

Ok I will have to agree that Mr McGee does not appear to be very knowledgeable when it comes to fighting games.  He does make some good points, but I think they may be some what misguided.  Evolving and adding more modes in fighting games is definitely a good thing and something that needs to be done, but in the aspect that matters: multiplayer.  Fighting games are a lot like most FPS games in the fact that they are only really fun when you are playing with other people.  What companies should be doing is trying to add new multiplayer modes instead of single player only components (or better yet make ones that work both in single & multiplayer modes).  Some games have been delving into this lately (SFxT, SC5, UMvC3, etc) with some success.  Heroes & Heralds is a great example.  The idea itself is fresh, but doesn’t deviate away from the formula that people enjoy about the game.  Better yet you can play offline by yourself, earn cards, which you then can bring online and vice versa.  Also why did it take so long to get a fighting game that has an online training mode?  One of the funnest aspects of fighting games is figuring out combos & strats to use and discussing & practicing this with others only makes this better.

Fighting games don’t need more unlockables (annoying), story modes (boring), or minigames (Nintendo Wii?).  If anything they need to stop wasting as much time on these modes/features and put that focus towards the things actual fans want in their fighting games: more characters, better online, more multiplayer modes, and new innovative fighting systems.

Holy god, a bunch of people posting just need to stop trying to assemble letters into words. Seriously, you are THAT bad at forming coherent, useful thoughts.

Gaming is supposed to be an EXPERIENCE that people pay for. This article is pointing out that the experience that comes with the $60 game you just bought kinda-sorta sucks because it is really half-assed a lot of times. Surprise! It’s true.

Many of you are arguing that if you went to a movie and a guy walked on the screen, announced his name, said he had to make a sandwich, then proceeded to make one, but couldn’t find his peanut butter for a few seconds…but then he found it and was able to make the sandwich and the movie ended, that you’d be happy with paying $11 for it.

“God I can’t believe scrubs are whining about the lack of single viewer content in that movie! So what if it was only 3 minutes long..my buddy and I were able to discuss the finer points of the lighting used in it for over two weeks! Well…we would have been able to discuss it, but we got our heads kicked in for being pretentious douches after trying to explain this to the, for some reason, disgruntled movie-goers seated around us”

Here’s a simple lesson in business, free of charge…if casuals think the product sucks, casuals will not buy the product. If casuals do not buy the product, the product will not be worth producing in the future as casuals make up ninety-goddamn-nine percent of the market. If the product is not worth producing, it will not be produced. If the product is not produced it does not exist. Wake up call incoming: The product = the entire genre of game we’re discussing on this website.

Almost a decade and a half ago Capcom released Street Fighter Alpha 3 on home consoles and it absolutely dwarfs SF4, MVC3, and SFxT in content. Furthermore, Capcom didn’t even want to make more fighting games because they didn’t see them as profitable…yet, the first thing they’ve started trying to do is milk the genre for every nickle and dime possible, exhausting every OUNCE of good-will and faith that might have existed before. Think about that…Capcom didn’t think fighters could be profitable and now they are trying to turn a larger profit out of them than any other game genre they produce. Do you see the inherent ridiculousness of that? They are going to burn through the community, salt the earth and then bulldoze it and cover it in asphalt at this rate…it is not sustainable and their half-assed attempts at game content is a picture-perfect example of the exploitative disingenuous effort they’re putting forth.

Mortal Kombat is being used as an example because MK didn’t have any gas left in the tank…it had used up all its good-faith with its fans when it churned out crappy game after crappy game…so what did they do? They listened to long-time fans and put in a genuine effort by busting their asses and squeezing as much content as they reasonably could into a game that they also worked hard to make competitive. They TRIED HARD to make the game a full experience while ALSO trying to make it a solid, deep, and rewarding fighting game. Even if we are to believe that companies like Capcom (because SNK is guilty of the same thing with KOF12…though they operate on a shoe-string budget compared to Capcom…) are trying their absolute diamond-hardest to make the game a solid, deep and rewarding fighting game you would have to be absolutely delusional to say they are doing the same for the game experience. They just aren’t and its painfully obvious. SFxT doesn’t have a single unlockable other than name plates…not even (as someone earlier pointed out) a friggin’ gallery. So why should they be held to a lower standard than NRS? Or anyone else for that matter?

Fighting games as a genre do not have much stock with gamers…and churning out half-baked, lazy entries is a perfect way to obliterate what remains of that stock and put us right back into a fighting game dark age.

“Maxwell argues that there’s no reason to play the game since there is no reward system.”
I’ll be honest: i absolutely cant read any more after seeing that. Since when do games have to give you achievements and shit to “reward” you? I play any video game for fun of some matter, whether rtses, fighters, rpgs, various platformers, whatever. Reward systems of unlockables can be nice, but the game is 95% of the enjoyment.

“Maxwell argues that there’s no reason to play the game since there is no reward system.”
I’ll be honest: i absolutely cant read any more after seeing that. Since when do games have to give you achievements and shit to “reward” you? I play any video game for fun of some matter, whether rtses, fighters, rpgs, various platformers, whatever. Reward systems of unlockables can be nice, but the game is 95% of the enjoyment.

All I see from this article is that fighting games should cater more to casuals.  I disagree as the thing that makes fighters worth playing is the fact that it’s hard to be good at them…. which also makes them inherently unappealing to casuals.  It doesn’t matter how you add to or change the game modes, things like CoD and WoW will always attract a vast majority of the casual audience over FGs.  It’s like trying to alter Twilight so it will sell well to 80 year old hispanic males.  It’s just not going to happen.

All I see from this article is that fighting games should cater more to casuals.  I disagree as the thing that makes fighters worth playing is the fact that it’s hard to be good at them…. which also makes them inherently unappealing to casuals.  It doesn’t matter how you add to or change the game modes, things like CoD and WoW will always attract a vast majority of the casual audience over FGs.  It’s like trying to alter Twilight so it will sell well to 80 year old hispanic males.  It’s just not going to happen.

Fighting game fans, please do a favor to the community and (this sounds so stupid), but stop fighting about everything. Everything doesn’t need to turn into a giant fan boy fap fest. My favorite fighting game is *blank* and it is different from *blonk* so fuck *blonk* your a scrub if you play it and you are wasting your time because *blank* is so much more blah blah blah. Do we really need to be like the FPS guys who wanna waste time arguing over which game that bearly changed since its last version is better than the other?

Would adding more single player content effect multiplayer? I don’t see how or why you could think it would. If there were 20 different modes in SFxT and all you wanted to play was training and 1v1 ranked then what changed for you?

.I like story driven fighting games, its why I enjoy MK9 so much, and not just 9 but the entire series. It is what I grew up playing. The multiplayer could use some improvement but it is better than it was in MK vs DC and it had more single player content. So is it a bad thing? I saw someone bring up SC4, which I loved the hell out of the singleplayer for it. Why? because it had so much to do and was challenging. I may be a  ”casuals scrub” and don’t go to tournaments but it doesn’t make my opinion on single player any less valuable. Thats the great thing about single player, you don’t need 100 tourney wins to have fun playing it or have an opinion on it. 

I disagree with almost all of the points made in the article, including that extra modes should be added to increase the value of a game. Scenario Campaign, in my opinion, added little to the Tekken 6 experience. I, and some others I’ve heard, didn’t enjoy it. In fact, I couldn’t stand playing more than two levels at a time before returning to practice or arcade mode.

Referring to Mortal Kombat 9 as the “gold standard” is a bit warped. “Gold standards” should represent games that have set the tempo that the other wannabes dance to. I don’t think the number of developers racing to emulate Mortal Kombat 9′s success is too large. Maybe two or three. Most likely one.

The article also states that “heavy post-release downloadable content strategies are a short-term boon for individual developers” referring to the recent release of Street Fighter X Tekken. A boon? I don’t need to go into at-length how that’s completely full of shit, suffice it to say that if done wrong it tends to be a force-multiplier for all of the other negative press a game generates.

The first paragraphs of the article go into the sales generated by the most recent titles (NPD Group numbers, they keep track of sales). I think the analysis is a bit fractured. There are more variables at play than “Game X2, an update version of Game X1, generated fewer sales than the original Game X1, and therefore Game X2 is a worse game than Game X1″. Considering the time between the release of the original MVC3 and Ultimate MVC3, the issue may be that many customers didn’t want to shell out $40 more for a game they bought less than a year ago. In the case of KOF13, they may already have found two or more games to learn and adding one more seemed daunting, or they play KOF98 on an emulator and that’s fine for them.

First of all, there are more titles to choose from and spend our entertainment dollars on; not counting new releases, but counting all fighting games released since the resurgence of fighting games three years ago and previous games released during the heyday of fighting games, or remakes or portable re-releases. And more are coming. Add to that the fragmentation of fighting game fans in camps devoted to individual games.

Second, the article supports the idea that fighting games should be more than competitive modes to attract a larger audience. If I want to play a puzzle game, I’ll play a puzzle game like Tetris. If I want to play a brawler, I’ll play a brawler like Final Fight. I don’t think we need a brawler or puzzle game or bowling mini-games inserted in fighting games to add value to them. It’s nice to have them (even only as a joke), but that’s not the meat of the package and won’t bring in significant numbers of new players to fighting games to justify time and money to develop them.

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Personally, I don’t think sales numbers should be an indicator of a bad game to anyone except the publishers and developers. What counts is how long a significant number of players play a game after its release, even if that significant number is in the low 1000s. Marvel vs. Capcom 2 was a successful game considering how long people had been playing it since it was first introduced. The biggest indicator of a poor game is how soon players stop playing it (example: getting Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, but only playing it a total of 15 times for a period of 30 minutes each time before giving it away to a relative). That would require an audit of how many players are playing the game either online or offline and how often, and that would require communicating with the publishers and developers and measuring the difference between unit sales and the number of people actually using the product.

People have been playing chess for generations. Arguably, there aren’t that many chess players in the world. Does chess need extra characters and mini-games and unlockable bonuses to add value?

I guess I need to get rid of KOF13 and UMvC3 now. This dude said they aren’t adequate D:
This dude has a decent point but one that isn’t thought out at all. Yes, more cool stuff would be nice but these games take work; period. One would imagine that if the devs had everything they wanted that they would produce games that have tons of stuff in them and sell tons of copies of it. On that note though if they put a ton more money into a game and then it barely sells better than how it did before then that’s not worth their time or money. Can’t blame a company for not wanting to lose money and doing what they know works.

I guess I need to get rid of KOF13 and UMvC3 now. This dude said they aren’t adequate D:
This dude has a decent point but one that isn’t thought out at all. Yes, more cool stuff would be nice but these games take work; period. One would imagine that if the devs had everything they wanted that they would produce games that have tons of stuff in them and sell tons of copies of it. On that note though if they put a ton more money into a game and then it barely sells better than how it did before then that’s not worth their time or money. Can’t blame a company for not wanting to lose money and doing what they know works.

I think an improved training mode that helps with links and such would be a fantastic addition to all fighting games (especially the Capcom ones). Some links are so immensely unintuitive I couldn’t find them if I tried. Some audiovisual feedback for links and a function that shows you what combos are possible and how you perform them would be fantastic.

But a reward system? Whatever happened to playing a game because it’s fun? You know… the reason why everyone should be playing a game.

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If adding a few gimmicky bonuses that’ll appease the common crowd is effecient to raising the sales without hindering the real point of what makes a Fighting Game Great alas, the gameplay, technicality, strategical side, then I don’t have a problem with it.

Because if all that is needed is a few more options in single mode to individual players from the common group, then I say go for it.  I would only have beef if it was a direct statement towards gameplay change, because when you talk about that without having a solidified background of knowledge then I would definitely raise an eyebrow.

However again, just wanted to add, that having all of the newer options still won’t appease most people because why?  Most people will look at nearly all fighting games and think they are all the same. 

People will complain about their being multiple versions of SF:IV, although their is some significant changes to many characters in every version, plus the multiple bonuses already thrown in.  Yet these same people are the same ones who will buy the same Guitar Hero, new NBA2K or Madden game each year at full price.  Hypocritcal much?  Absolutely.

Again, I don’t mind some of the options that he wants if that’s all that is needed to get more casuals to buy this game, however I don’t entirely believe this writers statements because fighting games in general when compared to almost all other gaming genres are more heavily high execution base which that alone makes it less accessible to the general public already.

This isn’t like a FPS to where the simple basics to kill a CPU is aim, and shoot.  Where as in SF if your playing Ryu, knowing how to Hadouken, Shoryuken, and Hurricane kick against a cpu is actually a needed tool, which most casuals can’t achieve to do successfully without some level of effort and time.

The fact that fighting games such as this you simply can’t have some sort of instant success makes it already less appealing to most casuals in itself.  So fighting games to me will never see the Golden Age of itself again like it did back in the early-mid 90′s.

Anyways, if adding a few more options in single player mode, trophies, or customizations or whatever the nonsense which does not affect the direct gameplay itself will boaster sales, then fine, that’s okay.   

If adding a few gimmicky bonuses that’ll appease the common crowd is effecient to raising the sales without hindering the real point of what makes a Fighting Game Great alas, the gameplay, technicality, strategical side, then I don’t have a problem with it.

Because if all that is needed is a few more options in single mode to individual players from the common group, then I say go for it.  I would only have beef if it was a direct statement towards gameplay change, because when you talk about that without having a solidified background of knowledge then I would definitely raise an eyebrow.

However again, just wanted to add, that having all of the newer options still won’t appease most people because why?  Most people will look at nearly all fighting games and think they are all the same. 

People will complain about their being multiple versions of SF:IV, although their is some significant changes to many characters in every version, plus the multiple bonuses already thrown in.  Yet these same people are the same ones who will buy the same Guitar Hero, new NBA2K or Madden game each year at full price.  Hypocritcal much?  Absolutely.

Again, I don’t mind some of the options that he wants if that’s all that is needed to get more casuals to buy this game, however I don’t entirely believe this writers statements because fighting games in general when compared to almost all other gaming genres are more heavily high execution base which that alone makes it less accessible to the general public already.

This isn’t like a FPS to where the simple basics to kill a CPU is aim, and shoot.  Where as in SF if your playing Ryu, knowing how to Hadouken, Shoryuken, and Hurricane kick against a cpu is actually a needed tool, which most casuals can’t achieve to do successfully without some level of effort and time.

The fact that fighting games such as this you simply can’t have some sort of instant success makes it already less appealing to most casuals in itself.  So fighting games to me will never see the Golden Age of itself again like it did back in the early-mid 90′s.

Anyways, if adding a few more options in single player mode, trophies, or customizations or whatever the nonsense which does not affect the direct gameplay itself will boaster sales, then fine, that’s okay.   

VF4EVO did all that shit and more. It’s up on EU PSN if you want to check it out.

“Maxwell argues that there’s no reason to play the game since there is no reward system”

*faceinbothpalms*

1 thing i can comment on, fighters are not worth more than 30 to 40 bucks considering the amount of content you get and what it costs to produce these games. 

Hey gamespot, FGC disagrees. Take your casual opinions to another genre. Retards.

This is the least I want to see from future titles:

A comprehensive instructional tutor experience would be a welcome
change, but that would do little to those who already grasp the
fundamentals (will still be nice though). For those who lack execution
or drop combos, that experience can provide combo demonstrations,
descriptions of why the combo works and how to approach it, and provide
onscreen effects (like the character blinks a color, and a spark
animation appearing) that indicates the expiration of the time window –
which if your character blinks a color, that’s correct window for the
combo, and the spark will appear shortly after if you miss that window.

But Training mode for me can be tedious as hell sometimes. Whenever I
feel like I’ve discovered tech for my character, I have to go allll the
way back to the character select screen, make the CPU my character, and
record it doing the tech on me to see if it really works. Since I have
to record the CPU doing the tech (obviously, I don’t access to people to
train with), a character switch is needed for both me and the CPU
(especially if the tech is character specific), and if it does or
doesn’t work, I have to go all the way back and switch again. Instead,
it would be nice if the you had the option to select 2, 3, even 5
characters, both for yourself and the CPU. This way, you can switch
characters through the pause menu. This also great if you want to train
against a handful of characters within the hour effortlessly, instead of
focusing on one character for a long while. The same can be said for
the characters you select to play as, too.

Sometimes things like practicing frame-traps and option selects can be
weird when doing the CPU record method. Why is that? Because when you
record, the other character is in a blockless state. We should get a few
options of the state we can put our character when we’re recording as
the CPU, because sometimes our tech requires blocking, and it’s weird
when we are performing it on a target that’s getting hit instead of the
expected block.

Oh, and please, more games need saved states! If I’m practicing or
experimenting with air juggles off a complicated combo (that requires
strict spacing relative to the corner, and/or the combo is lengthy), it
would be a whole lot better if I could save the state when the CPU is
coming down in the air, or being hit with the attack that initiates the
juggle state. A queue of saved states would be cool, too.

Although I like the training stage, being in there for an extended
period of time can really exhaust me. Following the same premise with
the characters, it would be nice if we could select up to three stages
from the selection screen. Training mode will start in the training
room, which will most likely be a stripped down stage, like SF4 or MvC3.
Then, as time progresses, it will transform into one of the selected
stages. It will continue this as an endless cycle between your stages
and the training stage. The training mode will have far less stagnation
than it does when staying in one level.

As for online, an online training mode will be greatly appreciated, even
if it can get laggy at times. The possibilities it can present is
valuable to us.

 I wish Endless would be a tad bit better. It boasts that classic arcade
feel, where loser gives up his spot and waits in line. However, the
lobby is only exciting when the other people have mics – and sometimes
the people can be either down-right dumb, or just harsh for no reason
(there’s a fine line with being funny, a funny asshole, and a asshole).
What I would like to see is a list of comments to choose from, like
“Wow!”, “Nice combo!”, or “Skip me”. The comment will be queued on the
side of your screen, which will be initiated once you press a button
(either onscreen or on the controller/stick). The comment will appear in
a message bubble next to your name.

Since there isn’t a lot of space on the Lobby screen, the lobby should
be an environment instead. This will be a relatively compact space, but
has enough room for people to be far away from each other even if the
room is full (8 players most likely). Instead of a title plate that
holds your name, you are an avatar free to roam in this lobby. The
avatars could be either a set of characters or items identifiable to the
game, or simply just generic markers (and gender is distinguished by
color and face-profile shape).

The lobby will have 9 entryways (I’m presuming the lobby will be in a
circular shape). One entry way for the main match at hand, and above its
entrance is a screen that displays the account names of who is playing,
their characters, the life each have, the current round, who’s won so
far, and time remaining. It would be nice to be able to watch the match
itself from the lobby, but that would be too harsh on the netcode. So,
instead, if you want to see the fight, you go into the main match
entryway and you get to spectate it like you normally do by entering
Spectator Mode There will be 8 other entryways which will be assigned to
each player’s account (in order of who came earliest), which will be
their training rooms. This is to be used as expected, a training area to
brush up before your matches. But, you can also practice with other
people. You can go up to another player in the lobby (or select there
name if you’re spectating) and send them a Training Request. If
accepted, your training room will open up access to the player who
accepted (this is done so people can’t just keep coming in and out). If
spectating, you’ll be transported to the training room, but if in the
lobby, you have to walk to your training room once they have accepted
because they will be attached to your side (telling the game that you
gave him permission to enter). Each training room can be spectated as
well.

The order of players is determined on who enters the main lobby first,
however you have the freedom to remove your place (exiting spectating
and going to the main lobby/training room doesn’t remove your position).
By removing, this allows other people to go ahead of you, and also it
doesn’t give you the notification to get ready if you want to primarily
focus on training longer. If you’re still in line, the notification will
appear as soon as the current match has ended. You will be given 5
seconds to to accept (which will take you to the fight room
immediately), or pass your turn. Pressing start will bring up a screen
that shows who is in what room, and the current order of positions in
the fight room, just so you know  what is going on in the lobby at all
times.

In spectating mode, there a few things you can do than just watch. When
the round is over, you can press a button repeatedly to display your
feelings about the round, or the player. By pressing one button, it
plays fanfaric sounds that means you liked the match or how the player
who won played. You can also press a different button which will
initiate booing sounds, to show distaste. The faster you tap, the louder
and more elaborate your sounds are. If spectating, you get to hear your
sounds and everyone else without the volume being lower. However, as to
not break the concentration of the players too much, the players
playing at the moment will hear the same thing, but just a little bit
quieter. This can be used by them to gauge if the lobby is getting hype,
or not impressed with his performance. This is done by how many people
are praising over booing, and vice versa. The more people praising or
booing, and how fast they are doing it, will begin to overshadow the
other, so the consensus of the lobby can range from total hype, mixed,
hate, and even total disinterest (no sounds).

All of this is so that the lobby experience isn’t just people waiting in
line, but a micro-arcade spot. You’re no longer obligated to sit in
line and fight, going in only one direction. Going to the main lobby to
chat is an option. Going to an online training mode (but that is not
outside of that lobby) is an option. Everyone, even the host, can all go
to the main lobby to talk if they do not want to spectate a match,
giving it that feeling like you’re in a room full of experiences and
freedom instead of a straight line.

The comment database will be vast, but not too vast, which will be a
collection common phrases to satisfy general questions or comments. This
is better than screaming “Yo, you gotta mic!?” and then having to go all
the way to your message client and sending the player a message by
typing it in. You can select “No mic”, and then “Sorry”. Each category
will serve a purpose, like general phrases, match related phrases, names (which
will have the name of each character/item/feature of the game), and a
category for most used sayings and recently used sayings. This is mainly
to encourage discussion with those who do have mics with those who
don’t, and to have social interaction when the lobby is full with no
mics.

I know this all sounds like I didn’t put much thought into it, but once
the ball gets rolling, it could be come a more robust idea for an online
experience I find lacking.

Some of these details and ideas don’t have to be exactly as I present them (because games will differ and have different ideas how to make the perfect Endless experience), but it should at least try to get to something like this in the future for the STANDARD of online playing

Yes, let’s go back to the days where you had to play and beat a game with all of the characters to unlock half the roster.  Because we all know that shit was so much fun the first time around.

What makes them think the genre needs fixing anyway? Aren’t fighting games more popular than ever?

I must say if a fighting game had Street Fighter Alpha’s 3 World Tour mode and Blazblue CSX’s Abyss mode, that would be more than enough.

I would only want a story mode if its done in the way of MK9.

I’ll admit playing SFxT gets old after a while since I only play Arcade with Fight request on, which doesn’t allow me to get to know all of those characters.  Capcom’s arcade mode storylines have been terrible for as long as I can remember.

My issue with this article is that it only serves to prove that the dude who wrote this article is entirely ignorant to he culture of FG’s. Whether you like it or not,  there is a reward system in place. The better you get at the game, the more you beat your friends. This is the same principal as any other head to head game (chess, checkers, shoot outs, etc etc). I am not even talking about playing to compete at a high level. Even in a casual setting , there is a always a winner and  a loser. That is the objective of the game, to beat you opponent. There is nothing wrong with a game that focuses on its multiplayer aspect, and to be honest, I am sure that if companies took the time to develop meaningless aspects to single player modes; either the game play as a whole would suffer (ie underbalanced or overpowered characters) OR the game would cost that much more due to longer development times. The guy who wrote this article is one of those pansies who expect instant gratification from their games, or needs something like a trophy system to measure their progress with a game. He is one of those guys who will play a game until he receives all the achievements and lay it to rest forever; even if it has infinitely more replay value. Yes I do have a problem with someone like that trying to advise people on how to better their genre because his assessments are half baked at best. Right now fighting games are easier for casual gamers to get into than ever. Inputs have been simplified , are more lenient, and there are comeback mechanics that come out of every orifice of every title there is. IMO people dont like fighting games because they are either to superficial to take a loss and/or are too lazy to commit to learning the shit. Maybe they don’t have time (thats fine), but that to me is just an indication that fighting games might not be for you. I don’t have much time, but I still make it out to tourneys and I still play. I didn’t use to know or live by anyone who liked FG’s so I reached out and found some friends.

Skull Girls, cheap and it’s going to have a deep tutorial in game to teach you. Sounds like what we need to get people interested into fighting games.

I actually agree with Gamespot here.  While I love UMvC3, it is absolutely fucking stupid it lacks the modes SSF4 had.  How the hell do you DOWNGRADE online play from previous games?  Where the hell is the replay mode/channel?  Tournament mode?  Story mode I don’t care about, but I can see how others might.

Having an in-game economy is a good idea. Having the extra colours and costume packs as in-game unlockables as opposed to free DLC is also a great idea.

These aren’t big ideas, folks. If it makes the game a little more palatable to the basic user, and thus makes capcom a little more money for not much effort, that’s a good thing. Fighting games are a threatened genre, financially speaking. If we keep being this insular and exclusionary, they might not be around forever.

tl:dr scrubs getting mad cause characters dont have enough colors 

I dont play the story mode, Trials or Arcade mode 

only versus and online but cant stop playing KOF XIII tho..!

Wow, was expecting some scrubby article moaning about gameplay itself with liberal splashs of the word cheap ect., but I actually agree with most of the stuff written there, more singleplayer content is welcome and butchering parts of the game as DLC (Disk Locked Content) is straight up bull****.

He’s not exactly covering any new ground with this but it’s nice to see these problems highlighted again.

I agree with this post. In my opinion fighting games should have atleast two different game modes that make it more interesting. MK Deception had Puzzle Kombat & Chess. MK Armageddon had Racing. Just playing the same modes repeatedly gets boring.

Here’s 9 standards
1. Test your game before you release it
2. No seriously test your game before you release it
3. This shouldn’t even be a new standard but it is, test your fucking game
4. Don’t release the beta as a retail game then announce the *new and improved disc version* 2 weeks later
5. Don’t say you learned your lesson from MVC3 then release the beta as a retail game with an announced *new and improved DLC with updates* 2 weeks later
6. Test your fucking game again
7. Don’t fuck over every other platform with local multiplayer because Sony paid you to do it
8. Don’t fuck everybody over with DLC characters that are on the fucking disc because Sony paid you even more to do it
9. Don’t turn the fighting game community’s main site into a corporate shill for Sony and MLG oh wait I guess it’s just 8 then

This is what happens when you make too many fighting games all in one time… 4, super 4, AE, SFxTX, mvc3, u:mvc3…. When will Capcom ever learn…

Do people even read the article?  If you did you would see this would be a good thing for those against the DLC content that we all hate capcom for.  What he is saying is, if we play the game longer, more characters or things should become avaialble or points should be made avialable to purchase other game modes in game.  The sad thing is, this is not even new.  It seems as if all the new kids on SRK would havbe quit MVC2 or Tekken 3, TTT or 4 early into their lives.  Both games you had to grind your way through single player to unlock other characters.

Okay, all children under 13 may proceed with their arguments on fighting game A is better or more stupid than fighting game B or vice versa.

Can’t believe I agree with what the guy said from Gamespot that is the minimum required for a fighting game. SF4,MVC3,SC5and SFxT have lacked all the necessary minimum in fightting game that has been offered from past gens. This generation is lazy and the embrassement that is MVC3 and SC5 is bare bones and unpolished. Arcade,Vs,Training and Online is not worth a full retail price thats a Arcade game this is suppose to Console game.

The comments thus far are tl;dr

BUT DAT GUILE POSE

Oh hey Gamespot. There’s a game that already does those things you like. A really bad game that actually isn’t a fighter. It’s called Super Smash Brothers. Why don’t you “dig in” to that!?

Marvel vs Capcom 2 (PS3 & 360): 7.5
Marvel vs Capcom 3 (PS3 & 360): 8.5

LOL WUT? Seriously? The shitty third one gets an 8.5, but the best fighter ever gets a SEVEN POINT FUCKING FIVE? Seriously, Gamespot needs to just pull out of the Goddamn industry. They don’t know shit about fighting games. No fighting game has ever gotten higher than 8.5 on that website. Yeah sure, MK 9 had some great things, but it’s not the gold standard. In no way are they allowed to say how a fighting game should be made. These guys are worse than IGN.

In fact, why don’t we make a fighting game like CoD. We’ll throw away good balanced gameplay, make new map packs that are useless as fuck, and not even care about our fanbase. We’ll include 200 characters, but they all do the same thing, appeal to uncool 9 year olds,and release a new one calling it as “a brand new title.” There, maybe then Gamespot won’t make bullshit articles like that.

Man, Street Fighter: The Movie was trash BUT that picture is great!