Street Fighter x Tekken Developer Blog: Regarding the Online Sound and Network Issues

Anonymous

its so distracting to play with he sound like this…

Anonymous

Wasn’t sure if it was just the crappy game or crappy music.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Gethoff-Mahfacebuk/558552166 Gethoff Mahfacebuk
  
  More like the crappy developers, amirite?
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Gethoff-Mahfacebuk/558552166 Gethoff Mahfacebuk
  
  More like the crappy developers, amirite?
  - Yuko Asho
    
    http://www.instantrimshot.com
    - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1265175684 Anonymous
      
      Congratulations Crapcom … TEKKEN x STREET FIGHTER will be so much better than this crap
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Gethoff-Mahfacebuk/558552166 Gethoff Mahfacebuk
  
  More like the crappy developers, amirite?
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Gethoff-Mahfacebuk/558552166 Gethoff Mahfacebuk
  
  More like the crappy developers, amirite?
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Gethoff-Mahfacebuk/558552166 Gethoff Mahfacebuk
  
  More like the crappy developers, amirite?
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Scott-Joseph-Fehir/510492883 Scott Joseph Fehir
  
  I had assumed it was that stupid mechanic in the options for letting you know when your health was getting low. But then I disabled it, and it still kept happening.
http://www.facebook.com/JosiahPerez Josiah Perez

Don’t believe this garbage. Namco showed us what a fighter can really be like online with SCV , and that’s a 3D fighter. Remember their excuse for MVC3 lack of spectator mode and ppl were like “Yea there are 6 characters on screen they can’t!”

And then ultimate comes out a few months later and all of the sudden “WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY!”. This happened because of a rushed game and nothing more.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Brian-Billingsley/100001286064946 Brian Billingsley
  
  Shut…..UP!!!!
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Ken-Houston/1410355537 Ken Houston
    
    why are you telling him to shut up? Because he has a valid point? As much as I respect them for attempting to fix problems, i’d rather have the problems fixed in a finished version. It’s getting tiring at this point.
    - Gary Gipson
      
      I doubt that a fighter being 3D has a lot to do with the netcode efficiency.
      
      “We have the technology” for marvel is a bad point because the online play in that game is garbage still.
      
      4 players at once is a lot more work than 2 (even if its a 3D fighter).
      
      They have deadlines. They miss things (although I have no clue how they could have missed this). Are you seriously saying you’d rather wait a couple more months for this to be fixed and not play it at all? I don’t know if I agree with that To each their own, though.
    - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=646353079 Paul Hindt
      
      MMOs have dozens of players on screen at the same time. Starcraft has at least a hundred entities on screen with their positions being updated in real time. Other companies have figured out how to program decent netcode. QuakeWorld had a stellar client side prediction in its netcode that has been expanded on my nearly every FPS since, and that was released in 1996.
      
      Yes I understand fighting games require a different type of netcode but even the GGPO PC client solved the issues of not having the sound cut out during rollbacks. Its 2012, Capcom should be able to throw their millions of dollars behind this and come up with a decent netcode library to port to all of their fighting games.
    - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=646353079 Paul Hindt
      
      MMOs have dozens of players on screen at the same time. Starcraft has at least a hundred entities on screen with their positions being updated in real time. Other companies have figured out how to program decent netcode. QuakeWorld had a stellar client side prediction in its netcode that has been expanded on my nearly every FPS since, and that was released in 1996.
      
      Yes I understand fighting games require a different type of netcode but even the GGPO PC client solved the issues of not having the sound cut out during rollbacks. Its 2012, Capcom should be able to throw their millions of dollars behind this and come up with a decent netcode library to port to all of their fighting games.
    - Anonymous
      
      This is what impatience gets you.
    - Anonymous
      
      This is what impatience gets you.
    - http://www.facebook.com/paul.trively Paul Trively
      
      They could’ve, I dunno, *not* built 12 additional characters we can’t use for 6 months, and perhaps worked on the net code a little more? Just sayin’
    - http://twitter.com/ShaynTodd Shayn Todd
      
      or got rid of all the color modification that doesnt effect gameplay at all. SMH. seems like they know exactly how to make money at capcom. in a couple months there gonna come out with a new Mega edition or something where all these problems will be “fixed” but the game will be terribly unbalanced and unplayable. i can just turn the sound off on my game. hope they dont go that route again.
    - http://twitter.com/ShaynTodd Shayn Todd
      
      or got rid of all the color modification that doesnt effect gameplay at all. SMH. seems like they know exactly how to make money at capcom. in a couple months there gonna come out with a new Mega edition or something where all these problems will be “fixed” but the game will be terribly unbalanced and unplayable. i can just turn the sound off on my game. hope they dont go that route again.
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Ken-Houston/1410355537 Ken Houston
    
    why are you telling him to shut up? Because he has a valid point? As much as I respect them for attempting to fix problems, i’d rather have the problems fixed in a finished version. It’s getting tiring at this point.
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Ken-Houston/1410355537 Ken Houston
    
    why are you telling him to shut up? Because he has a valid point? As much as I respect them for attempting to fix problems, i’d rather have the problems fixed in a finished version. It’s getting tiring at this point.
  - Anonymous
    
    That was a nice and constructive point you made.
  - Anonymous
    
    That was a nice and constructive point you made.
- Anonymous
  
  Namco uses variable input lag and 20 frame input buffer windows in SCV. SCVs netcode isn’t actually better, they just removed almost all of the timing requirements from the game.
  - http://twitter.com/Darkforge Bevan Djernaes
    
    I had a feeling this might be the case =/
  - http://twitter.com/Darkforge Bevan Djernaes
    
    I had a feeling this might be the case =/
- Anonymous
  
  Namco uses variable input lag and 20 frame input buffer windows in SCV. SCVs netcode isn’t actually better, they just removed almost all of the timing requirements from the game.
- Anonymous
  
  Namco uses variable input lag and 20 frame input buffer windows in SCV. SCVs netcode isn’t actually better, they just removed almost all of the timing requirements from the game.
- http://twitter.com/JayVoDaKing JayVoDaKing
  
  All in all , Capcom’s developers said they are not coming out with a “Ultimate” “Super” and shit like that.. Cause….they know people are piss’d at buying “NEW” product that was not old in the first place…Long story short ,they will worl on the issues that come up and deal with them …Support Your Cause.
- http://twitter.com/pobega Michael Pobega
  
  “and that’s a 3D fighter”
  
  That extra dimension doesn’t use extra bandwidth, you know.

Anonymous

its so distracting to play with he sound like this…

raitouniverse

So… suffer sound issues and experience a moderate to average online speed or fix the sound issues and suffer a laggy hell. Et tu Capcom?

raitouniverse

So… suffer sound issues and experience a moderate to average online speed or fix the sound issues and suffer a laggy hell. Et tu Capcom?

http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Craig/717415091 Danny Craig

Not entirely Capcom’s fault they have to work around ancient limited spec hardware like Xbox360 and PS3.
As Ponder has stated, rollback netcode is too system resource heavy and thus sacrifices, in this case audio had to be made. Especially for a 2v2 game.

Its a good sign Capcom is finally realizing and using the proper netcode for FGs.
There are good things to hope in the next gen consoles.
- http://twitter.com/Pond3r Tony Cannon
  
  I don’t believe I ever said “too resource intensive”. I also disagree that sacrifices need to be made. There are games out there which use technology similar to GGPO that do not have these issues.
- http://twitter.com/Pond3r Tony Cannon
  
  I don’t believe I ever said “too resource intensive”. I also disagree that sacrifices need to be made. There are games out there which use technology similar to GGPO that do not have these issues.
  - Anonymous
    
    Could you please explain why 3rd strike online uses GGPO and plays like ass? Thank you.
    - Anonymous
      
      because he didn’t build the match up gui which shows incorrect ping and the majority of shitty lag comes from you playing someone who’s very far from you.
    - http://twitter.com/Tooitchy Darren Kehrli
      
      That’s funny cause 3SO doesn’t play like ass at all.
    - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=639420590 Peter Kowalzky
      
      you and I must be playing two different games then.
    - Anonymous
      
      You probably play in two different countries.
    - Anonymous
      
      You probably play in two different countries.
    - Anonymous
      
      You probably play in two different countries.
- http://twitter.com/Pond3r Tony Cannon
  
  I don’t believe I ever said “too resource intensive”. I also disagree that sacrifices need to be made. There are games out there which use technology similar to GGPO that do not have these issues.
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KNE2ENW4IHV62JBTZVDK6MBIOQ Daniel
  
  Wish they did this with MVC3
Anonymous

you could actually look at this sound issue as a good thing.

if you learn to play and get your combos down without audio cues, you’ll be much better prepared to play in an offline tourney where you can barely hear the game audio at all.

it’s a blessing in disguise.
- http://twitter.com/#!/Thandrophir Thand
  
  The problem is that less than 1% of the people that buy this game will ever go to a tourney for it. So for most people, it’s just a burden.
- http://www.facebook.com/JosiahPerez Josiah Perez
  
  You should be hired instantly to do PR for Capcom based just off this post.
- http://www.facebook.com/JosiahPerez Josiah Perez
  
  You should be hired instantly to do PR for Capcom based just off this post.
- http://www.facebook.com/JosiahPerez Josiah Perez
  
  You should be hired instantly to do PR for Capcom based just off this post.
- https://twitter.com/BassMonkeye BassMonkey
  
  Audio cues? pffffffft
- https://twitter.com/BassMonkeye BassMonkey
  
  Audio cues? pffffffft
- https://twitter.com/BassMonkeye BassMonkey
  
  Audio cues? pffffffft
- https://twitter.com/BassMonkeye BassMonkey
  
  Audio cues? pffffffft

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=8230518 Mark Wins

Honestly… fuck the sound. I liked the smoother play. And it’s funny because I thought dropping some of the sound was intentional.

Investments…

Anonymous

It’s kind of awkward though, since the sound files are on your local console. All the server has to do is tell you what sound to play. IE, “play JURI_0034″, as part of an existing line of code. How much bandwidth does this take up?? I think it has more to do with the fact that the sound play commands are tied to packets that are getting dropped, and the programmers don’t know how to test that the command was received when they roll back the game. IE, programming skill, not online performance.
Anonymous

It’s kind of awkward though, since the sound files are on your local console. All the server has to do is tell you what sound to play. IE, “play JURI_0034″, as part of an existing line of code. How much bandwidth does this take up?? I think it has more to do with the fact that the sound play commands are tied to packets that are getting dropped, and the programmers don’t know how to test that the command was received when they roll back the game. IE, programming skill, not online performance.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=8230518 Mark Wins

Honestly… fuck the sound. I liked the smoother play. And it’s funny because I thought dropping some of the sound was intentional.

Investments…

Anonymous

I thought the sound cut was intentional, it was just something they cut when it got laggy so you didn’t have to register that much more data. I thought it was a good idea. I hope it doesn’t make it more laggy when they fix it.

Anonymous

I thought the sound cut was intentional, it was just something they cut when it got laggy so you didn’t have to register that much more data. I thought it was a good idea. I hope it doesn’t make it more laggy when they fix it.

Anonymous

I thought the sound cut was intentional, it was just something they cut when it got laggy so you didn’t have to register that much more data. I thought it was a good idea. I hope it doesn’t make it more laggy when they fix it.

Anonymous

I thought the sound cut was intentional, it was just something they cut when it got laggy so you didn’t have to register that much more data. I thought it was a good idea. I hope it doesn’t make it more laggy when they fix it.

Anonymous

register data? all of the sound is stored locally, if it’s registering a hit there should be no problem playing that associated sound from the local console.
- Anonymous
  
  I’m not gonna pretend have a good grasp on how these things work. I would figure that the game would have to get a signal from the internet that an opponent used a move that made this sound, and when it became laggy it would just stop sending those triggers. But you’re probably right, it would make more sense to do it locally.
  - Anonymous
    
    Actually kn3ll, no, you’re right. That’s how it is working and the reason for the sound drops is pretty much what you’re suggesting.
  - Anonymous
    
    Actually kn3ll, no, you’re right. That’s how it is working and the reason for the sound drops is pretty much what you’re suggesting.

Anonymous

One or the other eh?
Well, looks like we will be getting choppier online from here on out. I was actually enjoying how online felt too : /

Anonymous

One or the other eh?
Well, looks like we will be getting choppier online from here on out. I was actually enjoying how online felt too : /

http://twitter.com/FurryWolfen Joseph Greene

God dammit…

http://twitter.com/FurryWolfen Joseph Greene

God dammit…

http://twitter.com/FurryWolfen Joseph Greene

God dammit…

http://www.facebook.com/people/Rodney-Purple-Phoenix-McKnight/1026780148 Rodney Purple Phoenix McKnight

Inb4 the online becomes ass because people want the sound to be perfect
What good is perfect sound when you can’t play the match because of the insurmountable lag

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3FMF3RLAQRJKURFNV7SHWYJNWY Venraneld

What good is perfect online play when the choppy sound makes you want to pull your hair out. You can’t keep your hands on the controller and pull your hair out at the same time. It’s really hard.
Honestly, I don’t think it’s all that smooth as it is now. Hopefully they look into this for a long time and keep working at it until the sound is fixed and the lag is better. In this day and age we really shouldn’t have to choose one or the other.
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=639420590 Peter Kowalzky
  
  mute the TV and play music. It’s not like this weirdo chiptune nonsense enhances the battles any, and if you’re relying on the SFX for timing purposes, you’re doing it wrong.
  
  Worst case scenario, play on the couch with real friends.
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=639420590 Peter Kowalzky
  
  mute the TV and play music. It’s not like this weirdo chiptune nonsense enhances the battles any, and if you’re relying on the SFX for timing purposes, you’re doing it wrong.
  
  Worst case scenario, play on the couch with real friends.
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HBOO3RE2MQOTN7HWF233ZJT7SQ Nathan
    
    thank you…..

http://www.facebook.com/people/Rodney-Purple-Phoenix-McKnight/1026780148 Rodney Purple Phoenix McKnight

Inb4 the online becomes ass because people want the sound to be perfect
What good is perfect sound when you can’t play the match because of the insurmountable lag

http://www.facebook.com/people/Rodney-Purple-Phoenix-McKnight/1026780148 Rodney Purple Phoenix McKnight

Inb4 the online becomes ass because people want the sound to be perfect
What good is perfect sound when you can’t play the match because of the insurmountable lag

http://www.facebook.com/HawkEyeChris Chris Ware

The sound issues don’t bother me at all. I hope the sound is optional

http://www.facebook.com/HawkEyeChris Chris Ware

The sound issues don’t bother me at all. I hope the sound is optional

http://www.facebook.com/HawkEyeChris Chris Ware

The sound issues don’t bother me at all. I hope the sound is optional

Louis Lam

It is, it’s called the mute button.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Nicholas-Rowe/675477093 Nicholas Rowe
  
  reading comprehension, genius
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Nicholas-Rowe/675477093 Nicholas Rowe
  
  reading comprehension, genius
  - Christopher Horns
    
    Take your own advice, genius
    - Anonymous
      
      Now that everyone’s brushing up on comprehension, how about we throw in some manners as well?
    - Anonymous
      
      You’re funny with your standards for basic human to human interaction. It’s like you almost believe SRK is populated by rational human beings. How quaint.

http://twitter.com/MasterE1 Elloyd Bennett

how can you stand the sound online? I didn’t realize how much i depended on the sound until i couldn’t tell easily if I hit someone or not. I would see they blocked by the time i already hi tthe second button of a combo. its kind of annoying i guess i will just have to focus on the visual cues more i guess.

http://twitter.com/BRad480 B Rad

I agree. The sound drop is a lot more jarring than I thought it would be. I’m pretty reasonable when it comes to my expectations of a game. I don’t care about on disc DLC but I don’t understand how I can play a 12 person FPS with zero lag AND sound but have to sacrifice sound or smoothness in order to play, at max, a 4 player co-op fighter? I haven’t found a “smooth” game yet and if they don’t find a fix I fear this game is going to have a short life span.
http://twitter.com/BRad480 B Rad

I agree. The sound drop is a lot more jarring than I thought it would be. I’m pretty reasonable when it comes to my expectations of a game. I don’t care about on disc DLC but I don’t understand how I can play a 12 person FPS with zero lag AND sound but have to sacrifice sound or smoothness in order to play, at max, a 4 player co-op fighter? I haven’t found a “smooth” game yet and if they don’t find a fix I fear this game is going to have a short life span.
- Ryan Gordon
  
  What god given FPS are you playing that has no lag?
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Dave-Naszradi/1064479583 Dave Naszradi
  
  short life span because online is bad? oh dear. you should just stop playing now…
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=646353079 Paul Hindt
  
  Quake Live has support for 32 players and thats a free game build off of 1999 technology. Team Fortress 2 has support of up to 64 players and that game uses netcode that was based off of the same netcode John Carmack has used in every id Software title since QuakeWorld in 1996. QuakeWorld even supported up to 16 players and that was in 1996 on essentially Pentium 1 hardware. Smooth net code for games with more than a few entities on screen at once has been around for over a decade.
  - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=639420590 Peter Kowalzky
    
    and if memory serves me, those sixty four players have a running animation, a jump animation, and a ducking animation. I think the average Fighting Game character is a little more complex.
    - Andrew Lim
      
      Quake servers need to co-ordinate on the fly 3 dimensional co-odinates of up to 32 players. The amount of data needed for a fighter pales in comparison. Capcom’s netcode IS terribly outdated, there optimisations to it are on par with Windows 95 being built on top of DOS.
      They need to sort it out or fall out of favour with beat-em up fans for good.
  - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=639420590 Peter Kowalzky
    
    and if memory serves me, those sixty four players have a running animation, a jump animation, and a ducking animation. I think the average Fighting Game character is a little more complex.
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=639420590 Peter Kowalzky
  
  Odd. I’ve played FPS games online with teleporting nazis due to lag. It happens with any game. It’s just worse in fighting games because you rely more on timing than aim.
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=639420590 Peter Kowalzky
  
  Odd. I’ve played FPS games online with teleporting nazis due to lag. It happens with any game. It’s just worse in fighting games because you rely more on timing than aim.
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=639420590 Peter Kowalzky
  
  Odd. I’ve played FPS games online with teleporting nazis due to lag. It happens with any game. It’s just worse in fighting games because you rely more on timing than aim.
http://twitter.com/Stream_Monster Stream Monster

Online warriors going in. lol

http://twitter.com/MasterE1 Elloyd Bennett

how can you stand the sound online? I didn’t realize how much i depended on the sound until i couldn’t tell easily if I hit someone or not. I would see they blocked by the time i already hi tthe second button of a combo. its kind of annoying i guess i will just have to focus on the visual cues more i guess.

http://twitter.com/MasterE1 Elloyd Bennett

how can you stand the sound online? I didn’t realize how much i depended on the sound until i couldn’t tell easily if I hit someone or not. I would see they blocked by the time i already hi tthe second button of a combo. its kind of annoying i guess i will just have to focus on the visual cues more i guess.

http://twitter.com/CitizenCIA_SF Jeremy Sherman

“Our netcode is great, have better internet. *Insert excuses* We’re working on a fix” – Capcom.

Anonymous

Actually, sound glitch aside, it is great since it’s rollback netcode.
- http://twitter.com/Zenmetsu89 Saba
  
  Except for the part where it rolls back.
- http://twitter.com/Zenmetsu89 Saba
  
  Except for the part where it rolls back.
  - Anonymous
    
    Which we’d rather have than waiting for the game as it slows down and adds extra input delay to compensate for the latency.
    - http://twitter.com/gogotwit Gojira Twit
      
      I’d rather have neither, thanks
    - Anonymous
      
      You better get yourself frozen Futurama style then because we don’t have the network infrastructure to pull that off. Unless you live in Japan where you’re on a very small land mass.
    - Anonymous
      
      That sucks because that the only two options brah.
    - Anonymous
      
      That sucks because that the only two options brah.
    - Anonymous
      
      That sucks because that the only two options brah.
    - Anonymous
      
      Sounds like local play is right up your alley!
  - Anonymous
    
    Which we’d rather have than waiting for the game as it slows down and adds extra input delay to compensate for the latency.
Anonymous

Actually, sound glitch aside, it is great since it’s rollback netcode.
http://twitter.com/Stream_Monster Stream Monster

The netcode really is great. Sound issues are minute.

http://twitter.com/CitizenCIA_SF Jeremy Sherman

“Our netcode is great, have better internet. *Insert excuses* We’re working on a fix” – Capcom.

http://twitter.com/CitizenCIA_SF Jeremy Sherman

“Our netcode is great, have better internet. *Insert excuses* We’re working on a fix” – Capcom.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Jon-Slayton/563921933 Jon Slayton

How is it acceptable to publish a game like this? Marvel has 3 characters and way more shit going on and it does crazy shit like ACTUALLY HAVE SOUND.

Seriously, stop rushing games out the door. This is ridiculous.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Jon-Slayton/563921933 Jon Slayton

How is it acceptable to publish a game like this? Marvel has 3 characters and way more shit going on and it does crazy shit like ACTUALLY HAVE SOUND.

Seriously, stop rushing games out the door. This is ridiculous.

RenaTurnip

You know I really didn’t consider this at all.

Now I’m really confused.
RenaTurnip

You know I really didn’t consider this at all.

Now I’m really confused.
- Anonymous
  
  Capcom are the same people that said the 360 can’t do 2 people playing from the same console at once when there are a ton of recent examples showing that it can do exactly that. There is a big disconnect between their tech people and their company mouths…or their tech people are idiots or the mouths think the fans are idiots etc. etc.
http://www.facebook.com/antonio.brunson Antonio Brunson

Might have something to do with the rollback functionality. I don’t think Marvel has that.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NENYSPUQQ6WX4NP3GNGPE3YB7Y gene p

It didnt have 4 players at once playing in a match.
- http://twitter.com/BRad480 B Rad
  
  I’ve never had a 4 player match, all have been 1v1 but they’ve all been this way. After all the worry about gems who would’ve thought this would be the serious problem with this game.
- http://twitter.com/BRad480 B Rad
  
  I’ve never had a 4 player match, all have been 1v1 but they’ve all been this way. After all the worry about gems who would’ve thought this would be the serious problem with this game.
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NENYSPUQQ6WX4NP3GNGPE3YB7Y gene p
    
    Regardless his comparison was stupid because its not the same game. Now heres my issue CAPCOM is putting this stance that the sound problem would compromise the online play but its obvious the netcode isnt up to par so why not just change it. Its not like CAPCOM doesnt have the money or SF X TEKKEN is going to sell poorly.
    - http://twitter.com/Stream_Monster Stream Monster
      
      It’s a stupid argument because the whole reason there is sound issues is because the game is using a rollback netcode, something MARVEL doesn’t. Which is why MARVEL, already being an ass game, has ass netcode.
    - Anonymous
      
      SF4 doesn’t use rollbacks, and has a better netcode than sfxt, 3so, or marvel.
      
      Rollbacks don’t work in games based off hit confirms, figure it out guys.
    - Anonymous
      
      SF4 doesn’t use rollbacks, and has a better netcode than sfxt, 3so, or marvel.
      
      Rollbacks don’t work in games based off hit confirms, figure it out guys.
  - Anonymous
    
    the thing is the sound cuts out in 1 v 1 matches, scramble mode isn’t even playable at the moment
    - http://www.facebook.com/thisisnotras Rasean Frazier
      
      The netcode works the same way regardless of the amount of players. The whole point is that its optimized 24/7 in advance of those scenarios. Truth be told, I don’t see how the sound issue can be fixed… so…
      
      Forget it. Leave the sound as is. I can usually hear what my character does anyway; the rest of the time I’m just watching the other guy.
    - http://www.facebook.com/thisisnotras Rasean Frazier
      
      The netcode works the same way regardless of the amount of players. The whole point is that its optimized 24/7 in advance of those scenarios. Truth be told, I don’t see how the sound issue can be fixed… so…
      
      Forget it. Leave the sound as is. I can usually hear what my character does anyway; the rest of the time I’m just watching the other guy.
- http://twitter.com/BRad480 B Rad
  
  I’ve never had a 4 player match, all have been 1v1 but they’ve all been this way. After all the worry about gems who would’ve thought this would be the serious problem with this game.
- http://www.facebook.com/marioquirozm Mario Quiroz
  
  yeah but xbox players can’t use that feauture, so why they keep having the same sound glitch as those who can?. I say capcom is full of bs
- http://www.facebook.com/marioquirozm Mario Quiroz
  
  yeah but xbox players can’t use that feauture, so why they keep having the same sound glitch as those who can?. I say capcom is full of bs
- http://www.facebook.com/marioquirozm Mario Quiroz
  
  yeah but xbox players can’t use that feauture, so why they keep having the same sound glitch as those who can?. I say capcom is full of bs
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NENYSPUQQ6WX4NP3GNGPE3YB7Y gene p

It didnt have 4 players at once playing in a match.
http://twitter.com/Stream_Monster Stream Monster

This is the dumbest shit ever. Marvel is using a shitty netcode; this game is using rollback, which is why there is glitches. Also, this game has the capability of four players playing it simultaneously.
- Anonymous
  
  Do you read the comments you answer to?
  - http://twitter.com/Stream_Monster Stream Monster
    
    Yes, that’s how I deduced that the comment was dumb shit.
    - http://www.facebook.com/people/Jon-Slayton/563921933 Jon Slayton
      
      So then you find it acceptable the game was released like this?
      
      It doesn’t matter WHAT the reason is or WHAT the article said. The point is that this is retarded in this day and age. It’s lazy and a rush job. There is no arguing that.
- http://twitter.com/Zenmetsu89 Saba
  
  Dude, I agree with your comment, but the way you talk to people makes it sound like you have some kind of superiority complex. Do you treat people like that in real life?
  - http://profile.yahoo.com/BLL3XMY6DVGS5DO7W45HR5AFQA red
    
    why do you care
    - http://twitter.com/Zenmetsu89 Saba
      
      Why do you care that I care?
    - http://twitter.com/Zenmetsu89 Saba
      
      Why do you care that I care?
    - http://twitter.com/Zenmetsu89 Saba
      
      Why do you care that I care?
- Anonymous
  
  GGPO is rollback and is not riddled with garbage sound problems. The shit is indefensible and Capcom is banking on people having little knowledge about rollback in general by using this as an excuse.
  
  It’s laziness and it’s greediness and those are the only factors.
  - Yuko Asho
    
    Watch how Tekken Tag 2 and TxSF come out and have NONE of these issues. I can’t wait to hear the fanboys’ excuses then.
    - http://twitter.com/Darkforge Bevan Djernaes
      
      SCV doesn’t actually have good netcode really the game was built around a 20 frame window to compensate, Tekken tag 2 is an arcade game so expect bad netcode again from namco because they cant change the system.
    - http://twitter.com/Darkforge Bevan Djernaes
      
      SCV doesn’t actually have good netcode really the game was built around a 20 frame window to compensate, Tekken tag 2 is an arcade game so expect bad netcode again from namco because they cant change the system.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=639420590 Peter Kowalzky

yeah, but marvel also lags like a motherfucker, randomly decides that nobody on earth is playing ranked while searching, freezes, randomly disconnects, and a host of other great things.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Jon-Slayton/563921933 Jon Slayton

How is it acceptable to publish a game like this? Marvel has 3 characters and way more shit going on and it does crazy shit like ACTUALLY HAVE SOUND.

Seriously, stop rushing games out the door. This is ridiculous.

http://twitter.com/just6822 just6822

I’m kinda surprised at how SRK comments are happy with the sound cuts in order to have smooth online.

This is the first time I have ever been satisfied buying a Capcom game.

Please do not fuck this up.

If you’re going to fix the sound and the online becomes garbage, PLEASE allow a toggling option. Call it “drop everything and keep it smooth”, I do not care. Just please don’t ruin it.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Andy-He/122614169 Andy He

this is true. i wouldn’t give a damn if background music was removed, voice chat was removed, and background effects were removed. all i need is smooth net play, correct sprites and (possibly) sound effects.

this is the first time i’ve been satisfied with the online play. i don’t want to see this seamless play be fucked over just for sound.
- http://www.facebook.com/Schweed Chris McQuillan
  
  I agree with both of you guys, hell i mute the sound and have my own music playing 90% of the time anyway.
  
  Only time i don’t is when i have voice chat on… and then i turn the audio down anyway so i can hear over the headset.
  
  So I really hope they just ignore the sound issue. It is jarring for some, and i can feel their pain… but as stated in a comment above, learning combos without sound is a good thing, since you wont be able to hear shit at most majors. at least none that I’ve been to.
  - http://twitter.com/j8slim Jerrod Branson
    
    The sound issue is minute, compared to lag, but it’s still an issue regardless. And as far as tournaments and all, learning combos without sound is pointless for the 90% or so of the players who don’t go to tournaments, and is a moot point for the major players that don’t play ‘seriously’ online anyways. The sound bugs the hell out of me, to be honest, but when it’s consistently on, or off, it’s manageable. Especially when I’m blocking attacks, which is way worse than no sound during combos.
  - http://twitter.com/j8slim Jerrod Branson
    
    The sound issue is minute, compared to lag, but it’s still an issue regardless. And as far as tournaments and all, learning combos without sound is pointless for the 90% or so of the players who don’t go to tournaments, and is a moot point for the major players that don’t play ‘seriously’ online anyways. The sound bugs the hell out of me, to be honest, but when it’s consistently on, or off, it’s manageable. Especially when I’m blocking attacks, which is way worse than no sound during combos.
  - http://twitter.com/j8slim Jerrod Branson
    
    The sound issue is minute, compared to lag, but it’s still an issue regardless. And as far as tournaments and all, learning combos without sound is pointless for the 90% or so of the players who don’t go to tournaments, and is a moot point for the major players that don’t play ‘seriously’ online anyways. The sound bugs the hell out of me, to be honest, but when it’s consistently on, or off, it’s manageable. Especially when I’m blocking attacks, which is way worse than no sound during combos.

Geraldo Cruz

Honestly the online is utter crap, I have yet to enjoy a lag-free match even with a good connection and a ‘moderate’ opponent’s connection. Even if the sound wasn’t an issue I think they still have to address that aspect. Tekken 6′s netcode was pretty darn good at times and I know it’s an apples to oranges comparison but if only 2 clients are connected it shouldn’t matter since there’s only 2 fighters onscreen being controlled at most times.

http://twitter.com/just6822 just6822

WOW~

If you’re gonna insult this games netcode, that’s fine.

If you’re gonna compare it to Tekken’s netcode, you’re fucking nuts.
http://twitter.com/Stream_Monster Stream Monster

LOL this post.
http://twitter.com/Stream_Monster Stream Monster

LOL this post.
Anonymous

No online is better than T6′s online.
Anonymous

No online is better than T6′s online.
http://www.facebook.com/rokninja Jelani Akin Parham

Having played Tekken 6 online recently with a local friend, I couldn’t disagree more with this if I tried. It’s manageable, but it’s still complete ass, with what feels like nearly a full second input delay.

LunarEdge

Pop on that custom soundtrack, sound problems are no more

http://twitter.com/just6822 just6822

It has sound. It also has lag spikes every 3 seconds and half a second of input delay.

I think you’re missing the issue.

http://profile.yahoo.com/BJ4IKYPJWLHLSX4VVUPFK6B5P4 Saif

wish they would make a preference meter. that trades lag with sound. matchmakes accordingly. but things are never that simple with capcom

http://www.facebook.com/thisisnotras Rasean Frazier

Things are never that simple period. If they did that, you would only be able to find people who had the same netcode settings as you. Like in 3S, where you could play without rollback against people… Or with rollback against others.
- Anonymous
  
  Changing your input delay in 3So doesn’t exclude you from any matches. That setting is a client side option that alows you to determine how you wish to communicate with the host.
  Someone with zero frames of input delay can still play with someone at six frames of delay.
  It’s just a preference. Some people would rather have visual smoothness over responsivness, and that’s up to them under GGPO.
- Anonymous
  
  Changing your input delay in 3So doesn’t exclude you from any matches. That setting is a client side option that alows you to determine how you wish to communicate with the host.
  Someone with zero frames of input delay can still play with someone at six frames of delay.
  It’s just a preference. Some people would rather have visual smoothness over responsivness, and that’s up to them under GGPO.
- Jozef Kulik
  
  Incorrect, it would try and find closest match and then meet a compromise.
  
  One guy wants max sound / visual accuracy so he picks +5 on the scale, other guy wants max technical accuracy (inputs) so he picks -5, the game can match these two players up on 0 on the scale.
  
  This way you get a preference towards what netcode settings you want to play on, obviously you can’t have them enforced every time, online.
- Jozef Kulik
  
  Incorrect, it would try and find closest match and then meet a compromise.
  
  One guy wants max sound / visual accuracy so he picks +5 on the scale, other guy wants max technical accuracy (inputs) so he picks -5, the game can match these two players up on 0 on the scale.
  
  This way you get a preference towards what netcode settings you want to play on, obviously you can’t have them enforced every time, online.

http://profile.yahoo.com/BJ4IKYPJWLHLSX4VVUPFK6B5P4 Saif

wish they would make a preference meter. that trades lag with sound. matchmakes accordingly. but things are never that simple with capcom

http://twitter.com/BRad480 B Rad

Vanilla MvC3 had better online than this game and that’s not a good thing. Since online is the meat of this game it either needs to be fixed or this game will have a very short life span which makes me sad because it has a lot of potential.

Anonymous

I don’t know what game you were playing, but it sure as hell wasn’t Vanilla Marvel. That game had Tatsunoko levels of bad to it.
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M2PL4DTARS4HS4ZQJKFPB6CMRY Daren
  
  If you had an ethernet adapter for Wii, Tatsunoko wasnt bad at all
http://www.facebook.com/SRKJD J.D Gonzalez

you’re fucking retarded
http://www.facebook.com/SRKJD J.D Gonzalez

you’re fucking retarded
http://twitter.com/Darkforge Bevan Djernaes

ive been playing the last few days and I’m not even sure we are playing the same game, apart from the sound issues every match I have played has been what it seems to be completely input delay free.
http://twitter.com/Darkforge Bevan Djernaes

ive been playing the last few days and I’m not even sure we are playing the same game, apart from the sound issues every match I have played has been what it seems to be completely input delay free.

http://twitter.com/BRad480 B Rad

Vanilla MvC3 had better online than this game and that’s not a good thing. Since online is the meat of this game it either needs to be fixed or this game will have a very short life span which makes me sad because it has a lot of potential.

http://twitter.com/BRad480 B Rad

Vanilla MvC3 had better online than this game and that’s not a good thing. Since online is the meat of this game it either needs to be fixed or this game will have a very short life span which makes me sad because it has a lot of potential.

THEQUEENOFLOVEHD

lol @ people actually making excuses for Capcom and defending this shit. you’d think a simple 2D fighting game in 2012 could at least get sound right

THEQUEENOFLOVEHD

lol @ people actually making excuses for Capcom and defending this shit. you’d think a simple 2D fighting game in 2012 could at least get sound right

Moribund Cadaver

Nobody is making excuses. A few people just understand what the fuck is actually going on. Most gamers seem to know absolutely nothing, except how to bitch on the internet every time they’re displeased with something.
- http://twitter.com/Stream_Monster Stream Monster
  
  Just laugh at them. They’re kids whose first reaction is to lash out.
- Anonymous
  
  Can’t we expect to get a product working correctly out of the box anymore? I guess not.
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Walter-Thomas/100000923690574 Walter Thomas
    
    Not buying this or supporting any other Capcom title this year until they fix the 2v2 online co op for 360. That shit is unacceptable.
    
    Just bought MK9, you know that game from last year that can do online 2v2. Capcom needs to get their act together and start providing what they promised.
    - Anonymous
      
      >.> I thought you guys weren’t going to buy the game just because it became Super Gem Fighter…/manual should have placed a “NOT” in one area
    - Christopher Horns
      
      MK9 cannot do 1v1 properly online
- Anonymous
  
  If you paid 60 dollars for a fighting game that used 80% coding and sprites from other games and the sound doesnt work I think you have a right to bitch but hey thats me.
- Anonymous
  
  If you paid 60 dollars for a fighting game that used 80% coding and sprites from other games and the sound doesnt work I think you have a right to bitch but hey thats me.
- Anonymous
  
  If you paid 60 dollars for a fighting game that used 80% coding and sprites from other games and the sound doesnt work I think you have a right to bitch but hey thats me.
- Anonymous
  
  This guy likes Capcom ramming his dick up his ass and so do 10 other people. If I was Capcom I’d release Darkstalkers 3 and the box would be empty. The manual would say “Super Darkstalkers 3 coming this summer, maybe with a disc this time!” When you people bend over Capcom’s gonna put it in there so stop being a pussy.
- Anonymous
  
  Unless you’re in the Capcom offices, you haven’t a clue of what’s going on. You’re a speculator like everyone else.
- Anonymous
  
  Unless you’re in the Capcom offices, you haven’t a clue of what’s going on. You’re a speculator like everyone else.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NENYSPUQQ6WX4NP3GNGPE3YB7Y gene p

Simple huh do you make 2D fighting games and what games do you consider difficult/complicated? Im sure CAPCOM knows they better improve the games netcode or there going to lose a lot of potential sales. Games only been out a few days and if word of mouth keeps spreading about this games netcode then lots of potential buyers are going to skip out on this one.

Not only that but im sure some people are going to just straight up sell this game if the problem isnt fixed soon which means more money loss at the expense of DLC sales.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NENYSPUQQ6WX4NP3GNGPE3YB7Y gene p

Simple huh do you make 2D fighting games and what games do you consider difficult/complicated? Im sure CAPCOM knows they better improve the games netcode or there going to lose a lot of potential sales. Games only been out a few days and if word of mouth keeps spreading about this games netcode then lots of potential buyers are going to skip out on this one.

Not only that but im sure some people are going to just straight up sell this game if the problem isnt fixed soon which means more money loss at the expense of DLC sales.
Andrew Lim

Whats not to understand? We paid 40 quid for a game that doesnt work. Complaining about this makes us kids? Get real
Andrew Lim

Whats not to understand? We paid 40 quid for a game that doesnt work. Complaining about this makes us kids? Get real

THEQUEENOFLOVEHD

lol @ people actually making excuses for Capcom and defending this shit. you’d think a simple 2D fighting game in 2012 could at least get sound right

THEQUEENOFLOVEHD

lol @ people actually making excuses for Capcom and defending this shit. you’d think a simple 2D fighting game in 2012 could at least get sound right

http://www.facebook.com/people/Johnny-Demonio-Conyo/100000537882079 Johnny Demonio Conyo

So basically, we pay capcom to playtest the online experience? What the fuck, Sony’s game show “The Tester” is cranking out winners fast.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Johnny-Demonio-Conyo/100000537882079 Johnny Demonio Conyo

So basically, we pay capcom to playtest the online experience? What the fuck, Sony’s game show “The Tester” is cranking out winners fast.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Johnny-Demonio-Conyo/100000537882079 Johnny Demonio Conyo

So basically, we pay capcom to playtest the online experience? What the fuck, Sony’s game show “The Tester” is cranking out winners fast.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=565176676 Nugent Dart

total bullshit. sounds like they’re not going to fix it. till super sfxt anyways.

Moribund Cadaver

No, this is the reality of the situation. And the game is going to get patched. The sound doesn’t work for chrissake. Despite what trolls on this site like to post, Capcom does actually patch games and does fix a lot of problems.
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=565176676 Nugent Dart
  
  lmao at you idiots believing capcom’s lies.
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=565176676 Nugent Dart
  
  lmao at you idiots believing capcom’s lies.
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=565176676 Nugent Dart
  
  lmao at you idiots believing capcom’s lies.
  - http://twitter.com/Stream_Monster Stream Monster
    
    CAPCOM LIES. CONSPIRACY THEORIES. Grow up.
    - Anonymous
      
      Yea ok DBZ avatar. We’ll all get on your level.
    - http://www.facebook.com/thisisnotras Rasean Frazier
      
      ^ This post.
    - Anonymous
      
      I use to believe that big corporations that wanted nothing but my money were always telling me the truth as well.
    - Anonymous
      
      I use to believe that big corporations that wanted nothing but my money were always telling me the truth as well.
    - http://profile.yahoo.com/OJ7ZYHSWQXOKSTAI3FTGJMHMMA Harson
      
      “If I’m analyzing capitalism and I point out that General Motors tries to
      maximize profit, that’s not a ‘conspiracy theory.’ That’s
      analysis.” Noam Chomsky
    - http://profile.yahoo.com/OJ7ZYHSWQXOKSTAI3FTGJMHMMA Harson
      
      “If I’m analyzing capitalism and I point out that General Motors tries to
      maximize profit, that’s not a ‘conspiracy theory.’ That’s
      analysis.” Noam Chomsky
    - http://profile.yahoo.com/OJ7ZYHSWQXOKSTAI3FTGJMHMMA Harson
      
      “If I’m analyzing capitalism and I point out that General Motors tries to
      maximize profit, that’s not a ‘conspiracy theory.’ That’s
      analysis.” Noam Chomsky

Moribund Cadaver

Here is where we run into “gamers versus technology” round 830.

The explanations do make sense and nobody is lying here. This is what people were asking for: GGPO-like or rollback net code ala BlazBlue. But it was always stated that on the CURRENT hardware, PS360, that was a tall order for 3D fighting games. They have way more processing overhead compared to games with 2D characters.

This game is probably the proof in the pudding. It’s not that it can’t be tweaked further and adjusted; there will be updates. But we’re seeing just how underpowered the current consoles are for handling the kind of net code people demand, in a fully 3D game that runs at 60fps.

The good news is that Capcom is now using rollback for 3D engine games. So next gen, Street Fighter V or whatever, will seriously benefit. The massive increase in processing power, and system ram, will make rollback systems more friendly to games with 3D visuals.

Anonymous

Last I checked, BlazBlue did not have rollback netcode.
- http://www.facebook.com/thisisnotras Rasean Frazier
  
  Blazblue does have very good netcode, but it can’t touch GGPO-stylle because of the way rollback works. It’s close to without lag for most anyone who plays on GGPO against people at least somewhere relatively close with solid connections. The rollback usually can’t be noticed. I haven’t had a serious rollback in this game a single time, but I can get out one frame links consistently.

http://twitter.com/MiGaOh Michael G. O’Hair

I get the network issues being present at launch (you come to expect them, really), but the sound issues confuse me. Are the packets not being read by the console correctly between players causing the wrong effect ID to trigger or what? Action happens -> sound or voice effect is played. In the old days (with PC games), sound issues resulted from multiple effects attempting to come out of the same channel or conflicting memory resource addresses. I wouldn’t be talking completely out of my ass if I knew the size of the packets being sent during online play. But yeah, I talking completely out of my ass.

http://twitter.com/xSagez Johnny Sayegh

http://www.gamespot.com/news/dark-souls-sequel-in-question-6349575

2 different Japanese developers, but one is a lying piece of shit who only cares for robbing the community with bullshit DLC and horribly obvious bugs. Then there’s From Software who actually apologized for the very few bugs that their amazing RPG Dark Souls had, and if you played Dark Souls, you know how amazing and polished it is.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Braddly-Grahl/1145714020 Braddly Grahl

lol yeah right. i think just about every gravelord covenant player would have a few choice words for you. That game’s covenant system in general is garbage and ill-conceived to begin with.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Braddly-Grahl/1145714020 Braddly Grahl

lol yeah right. i think just about every gravelord covenant player would have a few choice words for you. That game’s covenant system in general is garbage and ill-conceived to begin with.

josh shepherd

Im really trying to figure out why they are saying that they cant have both smooth gameplay and the proper sound? SMOOTH GAMEPLAY!?!?!? are you kidding me. Its beyond terrible online! SF4 isnt perfect online but atleast its playable most of the time. Why not stick with what works. Im really disappointed with Capcom at the moment. At this rate they are going to kill the FGC just like they did 10 years ago…Sad.

http://www.facebook.com/thisisnotras Rasean Frazier

Read the article. It’s explained even in the summary.
http://www.facebook.com/thisisnotras Rasean Frazier

Read the article. It’s explained even in the summary.

Anonymous

Just like replays not working eh?

Anonymous

Just like replays not working eh?

http://www.facebook.com/Jamescarr9 James Carr

Sorry but “online smoothness” did I read that correctly cuz it’s lag as hell. Even when both parties has full bars net connection. I honestly prefer the SFIV online netcode, it was smooth, speedy and it has sound effects.

Anonymous

It also had variable input lag instead of having fixed input lag and simply rolling back to where both game states were synced.
http://twitter.com/Stream_Monster Stream Monster

If you have lag playing this game, it’s on your end. The game is very smooth online.
- Anonymous
  
  He isn’t the only one. I play SCV too, with the same people, two totally different experiences.
- Anonymous
  
  He isn’t the only one. I play SCV too, with the same people, two totally different experiences.
- http://www.facebook.com/Jamescarr9 James Carr
  
  Are you one of the Capcops? Cuz seem like a lot of people experience lagging too. It’s not just me

http://twitter.com/topdawg122 Luis Rosales

Does MK9 have these sound issues and how smooth is it compared to this game? (Serious Question)

Christopher Horns

No, MK9 doesn’t have the sound issues, but it’s lag as hell, and input delay up the ass.

http://twitter.com/topdawg122 Luis Rosales

Does MK9 have these sound issues and how smooth is it compared to this game? (Serious Question)

http://twitter.com/topdawg122 Luis Rosales

Does MK9 have these sound issues and how smooth is it compared to this game? (Serious Question)

http://twitter.com/topdawg122 Luis Rosales

Does MK9 have these sound issues and how smooth is it compared to this game? (Serious Question)

Anonymous

When I play games I usually have the sound down and put on some music and listen to that. I played this game the other day online and had the sound up on the game. That shit is distracting as hell. The match wasn’t laggy which was good, but the sounds or lack there of throwing me off. So I jumped off line threw on some hip hop went back and did my thing. It was all good after that lol….

http://www.facebook.com/david.fallows David Fallows

Same here, I play in Asia and even playing locally with 4-bars I get horrible lag and ‘prediction’ defects… I sweep and it connects, opponent goes into sweeped animation, then after 5 frames he’s back on his feet and EXing me. I don’t mind if sound is sacrificed to make it play like SF4 does online, but if sound is being sacrificed AND the lag is horrendous then something needs addressing.

Luckily we have a great local community for vs mode (Singapore).

http://twitter.com/Stream_Monster Stream Monster

Congratulations. You’re finally playing a Street Fighter game the way it’s supposed to be played. You’re just used to the lag of SSF4.
- Anonymous
  
  lol damn dude every post that says something negative about the game you swoop in to tell the person its there fault.
- Anonymous
  
  lol damn dude every post that says something negative about the game you swoop in to tell the person its there fault.

http://twitter.com/sinix777 Sinix Design

This is the exact same bullshit they fed us with MvC3. Guess we’ll have to wait for Ultimate SFxT to get sound working. It literally makes no programming sense… the move data is obviously being sent to your xbox, playing a corresponding sound effect on the client side should theoretically have no bearing on this shit whatsoever. The problem is actually obvious and easy to fix.

It would seem right now that doing a move only flags the sound effect on the first frame. This netcode often drops a frame or two on a moves startup (which is even visible), which is causing the sound effects to simply not play at all since the first frames are not being shown on your client side game engine.

If they simply switch the sound effect flagging so that it triggers on the first available instance through the entire frame animation of a move, that would solve this.

These constant lies they feed us are getting ridiculous.

http://twitter.com/Stream_Monster Stream Monster

The fact that you lack any understand of the meaning of rollback netcode makes your post look really ignorant, tbh. The only lies being fed here are the ones you’re feeding yourselves. Whatever.

Stay free boys and sleep well.
http://twitter.com/Stream_Monster Stream Monster

The fact that you lack any understand of the meaning of rollback netcode makes your post look really ignorant, tbh. The only lies being fed here are the ones you’re feeding yourselves. Whatever.

Stay free boys and sleep well.
- http://twitter.com/sinix777 Sinix Design
  
  I don’t know why you’re talking about that. I have nothing against the rollback style netcode. I’m saying that the way they flag sound effects in the game engine is what they should be changing.
- http://twitter.com/sinix777 Sinix Design
  
  I don’t know why you’re talking about that. I have nothing against the rollback style netcode. I’m saying that the way they flag sound effects in the game engine is what they should be changing.
http://twitter.com/Stream_Monster Stream Monster

The fact that you lack any understand of the meaning of rollback netcode makes your post look really ignorant, tbh. The only lies being fed here are the ones you’re feeding yourselves. Whatever.

Stay free boys and sleep well.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000905297645 Kristian Mentor

Gotta wait till fall so you can get the rest of a good online experience.

http://twitter.com/Stream_Monster Stream Monster

If you say so.

Anonymous

Sinix is right, it’s not very hard to fix at all.

ps. your name is Stream Monster…that says it all.

http://twitter.com/Stream_Monster Stream Monster

That I have a ironic sense of humor that you’re not quite bright enough to get right away? He’s not right, read the article I suggested man and I promise you’ll understand why you’re completely wrong about this netcode being bad.
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DR3VQ6OP2FON53AUMQIBUKRB3Q Anonymous
  
  Don’t waste your time world surronding by people who bitch about everything. Not saying they dont got ligetimate issues, but from i saw where sound stuff happening i new automatically it was lag saving measure. People need get there head out sand what causing most online gamming problems is not consoles it is the online infatructure and distances.
  
  That said real question i have is why soul calibur 5 netcode is so good despite the infatustrue internet wise for most countries including the usa?
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DR3VQ6OP2FON53AUMQIBUKRB3Q Anonymous
  
  Don’t waste your time world surronding by people who bitch about everything. Not saying they dont got ligetimate issues, but from i saw where sound stuff happening i new automatically it was lag saving measure. People need get there head out sand what causing most online gamming problems is not consoles it is the online infatructure and distances.
  
  That said real question i have is why soul calibur 5 netcode is so good despite the infatustrue internet wise for most countries including the usa?
- Anonymous
  
  CAPCOP
- Anonymous
  
  CAPCOP

Anonymous

Sinix is right, it’s not very hard to fix at all.

ps. your name is Stream Monster…that says it all.

Anonymous

Sinix is right, it’s not very hard to fix at all.

ps. your name is Stream Monster…that says it all.

Anonymous

They should just cut out the horrible OST (save for a few) this game has so we can have smooth play and still be able to hear when we make contact.

AugustAPC

- Xbox 360 version of SF x T lacks mixable connections.
- Sound doesn’t fucking work.
- Charging extra for content already finished during development of the game.
- Withholding insignificant content and offering it as free dlc to mask their thievery (colors).
- Stupid amount of exclusive characters.

I swear, I love Capcom’s games, but they’re making it extremely difficult to keep supporting them.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Walter-Thomas/100000923690574 Walter Thomas

I am not buying this or any other Capcom game until they fix this, this shit has to stop somewhere.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Walter-Thomas/100000923690574 Walter Thomas

I am not buying this or any other Capcom game until they fix this, this shit has to stop somewhere.
- Anonymous
  
  Then it stops when the whole universe does. Seriously, one game won’t destroy the world forever…
Anonymous

This times a million.

I really like Capcom and their work. I really, really do. But SFxT is just looking more and more unacceptable by the second.
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BYN5NQ6JQ6NHAUUDMJNRJEU654 ChrisL
  
  this why you guys should be playing BLAZBLUE!! online is tight; the fighting engine is the most balanced, rewarding and one of the most technical. why would you guys spends money on something inferior? the customer is always the most important. stop following the past of a dead company. capcom’s glory days are over.

jolthead99

This is complete bullshit. The sound files aren’t getting sent through the network. They are on the disc. This animation move gets called>play sound file. How hard is that? If I knew about this issue before I bought the game I wouldn’t have bothered buying it. I’m much happier with the SF4 game style anyway.

http://twitter.com/Stream_Monster Stream Monster

So you can’t play fighting games without input delay?
- Anonymous
  
  What is this your 20th post on this topic? Get a life wastrel. I feel sorry for you.
- Anonymous
  
  What is this your 20th post on this topic? Get a life wastrel. I feel sorry for you.
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Nicholas-Rowe/675477093 Nicholas Rowe
    
    i feel sorry for you stalking this guy just to whine about his posts
    - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UKWYYZOBDSNP7E4M5HFP4JVMPM Chris
      
      u r gay
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Nicholas-Rowe/675477093 Nicholas Rowe
    
    i feel sorry for you stalking this guy just to whine about his posts
- Anonymous
  
  What is this your 20th post on this topic? Get a life wastrel. I feel sorry for you.
- http://twitter.com/poke133 Drago Umeharevich
  
  he is right though.. the sound issues don’t exist even on GGPO with an emulation layer on top of the netcode
  
  you’d expect Capcom to figure this shit out, having the game source and shit
  
  i guess we’ll have to wait for PS3 emulators to have proper sound with hacked in GGPO support, LOL

http://twitter.com/MadoTheFist Donavaugn

i generally dont post on front page post but this is one i could not avoid. i find it so funny how everyone cried for GGPO net code for fighting games but obviously dont know shit about it, if you played on GGPO with the input lag settings set to 0 u would notice the SAME thing with the sound happening occasionally. and this is with super turbo. now take a game with SFxT graphics and apply similar technology. honestly this games netcode is great. capcom isnt lying or making excuses. maybe their problem is sometimes they are too truthful and people who don’t understand a thing and see what they want to see.. i guess its true that ignorance is bliss, and it certainly comes by the truck load in this site.

http://twitter.com/MadoTheFist Donavaugn

i generally dont post on front page post but this is one i could not avoid. i find it so funny how everyone cried for GGPO net code for fighting games but obviously dont know shit about it, if you played on GGPO with the input lag settings set to 0 u would notice the SAME thing with the sound happening occasionally. and this is with super turbo. now take a game with SFxT graphics and apply similar technology. honestly this games netcode is great. capcom isnt lying or making excuses. maybe their problem is sometimes they are too truthful and people who don’t understand a thing and see what they want to see.. i guess its true that ignorance is bliss, and it certainly comes by the truck load in this site.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UKWYYZOBDSNP7E4M5HFP4JVMPM Chris

I see why with your terrible grammar.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UKWYYZOBDSNP7E4M5HFP4JVMPM Chris

I see why with your terrible grammar.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UKWYYZOBDSNP7E4M5HFP4JVMPM Chris

I see why with your terrible grammar.
http://www.facebook.com/KayBro Korey Michael Brown

I agree…sad part about it is that all these people probably complained about something else with regards to the game and still bought it anyway. But even the older games with GGPO have this problem.

http://twitter.com/CozzyHendrixX Earl Flinn

Solution:
1. Put SF4 netcode back
2. Only allow 1v1

Anonymous

Number 1, that won’t work unless they know how to implement SFxT physics to work with it.
Number 2, why? You’re just making this into an SFIV with Tekken in that way. That is not what we came here to see.

jx31

This netcode is by FAR the best I dealt with on a console. The fact that people would trade it just to have sound boggles my mind. Just practice with music from a mp3 player or something so you don’t have to rely on sound cues.

Anonymous

You don’t play Soul Calibur V or any recent Arc System Works games.
- jx31
  
  You’re right about not playing Soul Calibur V but I do play Blazblue Extend. If I can find someone with five bars in Blazblue the game runs pretty damn smooth, IF I can find someone with five bars. I pretty much don’t have to worry about that with this game. I’ve only had one match that had any sort of noticable lag and it was a 2v1.
  
  I’m actually curious why it isn’t that great for you since it sounds like you have a pretty beefy connection. Mine’s actually pretty meh.
  - Anonymous
    
    I don’t see a lot of fellow people with three bars, I see most having 2 to 1, and the ones where I do get a decent run have weird moments like Akuma’s Raging Demon being literally instant, mid-swap skips, or my opponent doing absolutely nothing until they’re mid-animation of their anti-air out of nowhere.
    I’d say the absolutely lagless matches have been 1 out of 5 three bars.
    There’s no input delay, but just makes it more awkward when I’m a returnee to Street Fighter and 2.5D games.
    
    I’ve played a few dozen matches at several times (5AM, 10AM, 4PM, 8PM, and 1AM) so I think I’ve gotten enough experience.
    
    Personally rollback as a whole is overrated. Capcom themselves said it was bad for 3D games and that’s imo because the smoother animation makes hitconfirms and consistent animation difficult. Add the sound problems, and I gotta sight everything in a 2.5D game? Skip that.
Anonymous

You don’t play Soul Calibur V or any recent Arc System Works games.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DR3VQ6OP2FON53AUMQIBUKRB3Q Anonymous

you think this is bad you see event hubs section. People need to get real and realize that problem is the internet infastructure and distances.
Now i wish know what magic soul calibur 5 worked to get most people liking there net code

Anonymous

Yeah I was just over there reading that section. People was heated beyond belief. Shit was funny though……
http://twitter.com/Darkforge Bevan Djernaes

SCV netcode is really fucking good. namco obviously have their top boffin’s on it after the abhorrent shit that was t6 online… jesus these develop teams need to do focus groups or something
http://twitter.com/Darkforge Bevan Djernaes

SCV netcode is really fucking good. namco obviously have their top boffin’s on it after the abhorrent shit that was t6 online… jesus these develop teams need to do focus groups or something
Anonymous

Yep SC5 is amazing. I can play people over the other side of Europe from the UK on at least 4 bars and it runs so smoothly. I hope TTT2 has a similar code.

Its a shame this blog didnt cover the 2 players 1 console issue on 360 after they just decided to BS about it.

Anonymous

Anyone else notice that when the voices are set to english that the characters talk way too much? Abel seems to say the same thing every time he gets hit and vega has like a 3 second voice clip i can’t understand because it plays every 2 seconds.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VRXYA3SXU66RJVGALH7YXJ74D4 Hammer

It’s not like the graphics are good or anything, seriously, wtf.

Anonymous

can’t believe capcom anymore. don’t know if it’s a legit excuse or complete bullshit.

Anonymous

can’t believe capcom anymore. don’t know if it’s a legit excuse or complete bullshit.

http://twitter.com/B1jyu Stano Jaeger

You know. I played tonight for quite a bit online with a friend (6pm-9:30) doing both online training mode and ranked games. And I never noticed the sound dropping. We had one dropped game (which was most likely a plug pull after a near perfect). Maybe because I was listening more to my team mate than the game but I really didn’t have an issue, and I LOVE the fact people don’t have to create “online combos”. I ran into quite a few people who were hitting those 1-2 frame links during a match.

I hope they keep the balance in favor of the gameplay and not the sound. If it really bugs people they should listen to some music while they play. I know I have a hard time raging when im listening to my jet set radio playlist.

http://twitter.com/Darkforge Bevan Djernaes

At least they finally realize the way to go in net-code, unless everyone bitches hard about this and it goes back to crap input delay

LunarEdge

Just played online not too long ago with a few friends. Besides the sound issue (which isn’t as bad as people are putting it IMO) the gameplay was relatively smooth with hiccups here and there. Nothing too bad. I’m liking it so far.

LunarEdge

Just played online not too long ago with a few friends. Besides the sound issue (which isn’t as bad as people are putting it IMO) the gameplay was relatively smooth with hiccups here and there. Nothing too bad. I’m liking it so far.

Mash Harder

My experience is similar. Very good online, but the lack of sound is distracting.
I don’t know why sound has to be so tied into the netcode. Shouldn’t it be fine until a rollback? on rollback couldn’t they just not play sound for a few seconds?

http://twitter.com/poke133 Drago Umeharevich

i don’t care about sound, but they could at least figure something out about it for the people that do

it’s not like they magically hacked in the netcode in their own fucking game. they should have some competent programmers look at it and figure it out

Anonymous

This sound issue is annoying as hell, makes it harder for me to confirm whether shit is being hit or blocked.

Anonymous

This sound issue is annoying as hell, makes it harder for me to confirm whether shit is being hit or blocked.

http://www.facebook.com/thisisnotras Rasean Frazier

I’m gonna summarize the article..

“Everyone wanted GGPO-style gameplay (rollback system). We gave it to them, especially since the plan involved 3-and-4 player simultaneous play. There are drawbacks (sound issues) that come with that. We will try and balance it out, but in doing so the smoothness (read: input delay) will take a hit because of it.”

Anonymous

using GGPO-like netcode system isn’t using GGPO, which I’m sure would’ve had less issues than their attempt at a rollback system, which is “meh” at best atm.
Anonymous

using GGPO-like netcode system isn’t using GGPO, which I’m sure would’ve had less issues than their attempt at a rollback system, which is “meh” at best atm.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Zhao/1394070245 Richard Zhao

I really don’t care much about the sound issues. I tend to spend a lot of the time in the lab with the sound muted while listening to other stuff so lack of sound really isn’t much of an issue. I’d much rather have less input lag.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Mikhail-Aristotle-Snake-Fridman/194307390 Mikhail Aristotle-Snake Fridma

Translation: “Our netcode is shit cos programming a good one requires skill and effort, of which our team has none.”

http://www.facebook.com/people/Joel-Anderson/100000149761999 Joel Anderson

word. Idiots shoulda just used mvc3 netcode. Never had a problem with that. More reliable than SSf4′s. In this crap, I can’t even get past a still-shot of the character’s in-match intros in scramble mode, and every regular mode match is laggy.

http://www.facebook.com/mtarantella Michael Tarantella

So to fix the sound issues they’d make the online less smooth? Well that’s a tough trade, since the online isn’t REMOTELY SMOOTH AT ALL RIGHT NOW.

Alex Nikodin

So let me get this straight. It’s 2011 and Capcom(which used to be one of gamings ELITE) STILL has a hard time making a fighting game run smoothly online. With the 12 extra characters completed already on disc, the locked colors, and unplayable online, Capcom is going to kill the Fighting Game scene just like the revived it with SF4. Their greed is going to end them. I’ve never seen so many people comment on threads and most of them were negative.

Anonymous

“Capcom is going to kill the Fighting Game scene just like the[y] revived it
with SF4.”

^This.

Alex Nikodin

So let me get this straight. It’s 2011 and Capcom(which used to be one of gamings ELITE) STILL has a hard time making a fighting game run smoothly online. With the 12 extra characters completed already on disc, the locked colors, and unplayable online, Capcom is going to kill the Fighting Game scene just like the revived it with SF4. Their greed is going to end them. I’ve never seen so many people comment on threads and most of them were negative.

bladestreetboy19

WOooooooow 80% of the people in this comment section are retarded…….. You guys needa understand the difference and the advantages of having rollback over input delay.
This Netcode I LOVE IT. I swear if this would have been the sf4 netcode I’d be missing all my Jin juggle due to the large input delay. Sht is just soo smooth with sfxt. But Niggaz wanna cry cuz of sound and a few frame skips, Bitch please yall were prolly the same niggaz asking for ggpo and yall prolly didn’t even know what that meant.

http://twitter.com/TBM24x Chris B

That’s fine, those same people can leave fighting games for the people who care about it.
Anonymous

It’s not just the niggaz, white boyz are also complaining about the missing sound.
- Orlando Freytes
  
  comedy

http://profile.yahoo.com/PDCWMS7QL5TSWWTBFFV7ZDLY6A RugalAKSU

GUYS! GUYS! We all know the better netcode with the sound working will be DLC sometime down the line. Don’t worry! =D

Orlando Freytes

lmao so true

http://twitter.com/OneMonth2live best bipson

I don’t care about the sound issue at all. I’d rather have low input lag and no sound, than have sound and input lag. Fuck input delay.

Kevin Wark

The problem likely has less to do with the netcode than it does with how the sounds are cued, and the netcode just exposes the flaw.
If the gamestate updates after a character makes a sound, you won’t hear it because your game is skipping to a point after the sound would have been triggered. You miss the sound cue because the audio is only programmed to trigger a sound at a specific point during a move, instead of making sure the sound is triggered while that move is active.

Relying on the netcode to supply proper audio cues is completely ass backwards.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Jomar-Pereyra/100000878978160 Jomar Pereyra

Its a bit f***ing annoying that the sound isn’t all there. I see the trade off had to be done but im sure Capcom just got lazy and rushed the game.

Anonymous

who at Capcom thought it was acceptable to release a game in this state? even in 1 v 1 matches the sound drops like crazy, this is a broken game and i don’t buy broken games, i pirate them then hack the ON DISC dlc, release a finished product next time around and you might earn my money along with countless others…thank you.

Eduardo Griever

you are all missing the point here.
Capcom releases a game with 4v4 online battles, it’s their OBLIGATION to make it to run perfect in every aspect, it’s their incapacity to make that.
they already sold a 60$ game with only 60% of the content unlocked, the 40% you have to pay AGAIN to have.
but what can we do, while we have people buying this crap they’ll always do this

http://twitter.com/Ett_ Ett

Look everyone should be REALLY upset with capcom over this matter. This isn’t the first time capcom makes a 2d fighter with a online mode. We can all agree that fighter are because we can now play online against players.
We forgave sf4 netcode because it was the return
We forgave ssf4 because its build on the sf4 netcode.
Then mvc3 its a very hectic game so okay capcom we understand.
Umvc3 they didn’t have time okay capcom but is a but better then mvc3 so we forgave Capcom.
Now SFxT Capcom tires again…. and its a mess . two options same area or all. I live in a small country when i pick same it take around more then 5 minutes too get a match not many people play here . So okay I put it on everywhere i cant match up with someone otherside of the planet.
GIVE ME A FILTER I CAN ADJUST!! so I can set it too search within Europe.

GIVE ME REMATCH its hard too find a good player too player around the same level .
Balance it will BP is a shitty way. AS capcom could’ve learned for SF4.
Capcom have take out the chance for a runback. And even in SF4 it wasn’t do the right but atleast it was same thing. SFxT should’ve gotten a rematch options.

Capcom should have made the online experience more robust and better instead they Copy-paste SF4 and made it evermore barren and less user friendly

And most of this would be a problem if SFxT had the best netcode in fighting game genre.
What you would expect from the Flagship franchise as Street fighter. But no they shipped a where they pull mode out of the game without telling anyone a netcode with problems that should not have been a problem if they spend more time on the game or maybe hire a 3rd party too handle the netcode. INSTEAD THEY RUSH IT AND SPEND THE TIME TO PUT DLC ON THE DISK. I hope Microsoft and Sony bleeds capcom dry for every patch then need too fix this.
And hope they learn they is would have been cheaper too just patch the dlc content in with 1 patch in the fall.

http://www.facebook.com/joshmutiny Josh Hollis

I could care less about the sound issue, really. I mean, yeah, it sucks, but if its for smoother gameplay, then so be it.