Hurtful Speech: Time to Take a Good Look in the Mirror

In my article yesterday I tried to remind people why we do what we do, and mentioned that some day soon we as a community would have to face up to our dark side.  Well, it turns out that day is today, because of this piece from Kotaku.  Please read their article and watch these excerpts from WNF’s stream last night.

So, just a day after one of the biggest scandals to hit the scene, we have guest commentators from one of our most respected groups poking fun at the whole situation and talking about what NOS girl they would hit.  And they’re doing this in the most public way possible, so obviously they think this kind of behavior is acceptable.

Well, it’s not.  I know there are a lot of good, decent people in this scene, but unfortunately there are way too many a ignorant children among us, who think it’s ok to poke fun at anything and everything.  These people exist in all communities, but in the fighting game scene we hand them a mic, listen to them spew their trash, then blow off their hate-speech as harmless jokes.  The reaction online to Kotaku’s story illustrates the split in the community.  Some were appalled by the comments on WNF, but many continue to make excuses for what to me is clearly inexcusable.

Shirking Responsibility

The most popular excuse is, “no one gets harassed at our live events” or “we’re nice people in person.”  That is true, but it misses the point.  First of all, good behavior in one venue doesn’t excuse bad behavior in another.  Hate is hate.  But beyond that, a live video stream is the worst possible medium for this kind of hateful talk.  A few hundred people attended WNF, but over 14,000 tuned in online.  Our online presence is the face of the community.  It is our recruiting tool.  Increasingly it will be come a source of revenue.  A strong, positive online presence is critical to the growth of the scene.  If anything, we should be more respectful and considerate of others online, rather than treating online communication as secondary to the offline event.

Another excuse is that we’re being unfairly singled out, and that “these few bad apples don’t speak for the community.”  These guys don’t speak for all of us?  We just let them speak for us on-stream, and many of us want to let them off the hook when someone calls them out!  For those of you accusing Kotaku of over-reacting and nit-picking, Kotaku didn’t invent a story here.  We gave them the story with this shockingly insensitive reaction to a very serious topic.

So, it’s time to stand up.  If we continue to let the worst elements in the scene speak for us or excuse their bad behavior, we deserve whatever criticism we get.  It’s everyone’s responsibility: the players, the content producers, the tournament organizers, and the fans.  We need to be just as serious about the way we treat each other and how we reach out to others online as we are about the game.  This isn’t about killing the hype or white-washing the scene.  We can be just as loud, excited and hype without belittling entire classes of people.  ”It’s ok, we’re all friends”, and “I’m just joking” aren’t valid excuses.

WNF, SRK, and the Evo 2012 Season

Thankfully, Level | Up is responding to the situation.  You can read their full release here.

Last night on Wednesday Night Fights (2/29/2012), remarks were said by community commentators that alluded to recent events involving the Fighting Game Community (FGC) and the sexual harassment controversy that surrounds it. … These remarks do not reflect the views and opinions of  Level | Up  or our affiliates, partners, and/or sponsors. It is not Level | Up’s intention to make light of sexual harassment nor do we condone it. Level | Up and its staff feel harassment of any form is wrong and that everyone should be treated respectfully.

Marn and Christian will not be invited to speak on future Level | Up broadcasts, and are reviewing our selection process for guest commentators. Again, we sincerely apologize if anyone was offended by the remarks said on our recent broadcast.

 

Neither SRK nor Evo in any way condones the behavior from last night.  To make this perfectly clear, we are pulling the Evo seeding points for WNF’s first season in 2012, as well as SRK’s sponsorship of WNF.  I personally have a lot of confidence in the Level | Up team to set a new standard for themselves and hope to work with them in the future.  For now though, that’s not possible.

We cannot continue to let ignorant, hateful speech slide.  The nasty undercurrent in the scene isn’t a joke or a meme.  It’s something we need to fix if we expect to continue to grow, but more importantly it’s a moral imperative.  I don’t want to be a part of a group where it’s ok to bully or make fun of others, and I hope you don’t either.

  • hyerty

    man this is depressing..

  • hyerty

    man this is depressing..

    • Anonymous

      You’re right, it is depressing moral outrage is expressed over a situation that threatens what “Increasingly… …will be come a source of revenue”.

      I thought Aris’ behavior was ABOMINABLE, but let’s not pretend the objectification of women displayed during the commentary on WNF was somehow magically worse than the objectification displayed in the design of most of the female fighting game characters ever.

      We were all cool with that sort of thing last week people.  The only thing that changed was the spotlight.

      • http://www.facebook.com/ciaran.plunkett Ciaran Plunkett

        Really? I wasn’t cool with it, ever.

        • Anonymous

          I slipped in the “seemingly” because even those of us who aren’t okay with that sort of thing were not up in arms about it before Cross Assault either.

          Mostly, I’m just annoyed and a little disgusted by that class of people that only speak up on things when the situation starts to threaten their own interests.

          I admire those who are generally trying to do the right thing all the time.

      • http://www.facebook.com/ciaran.plunkett Ciaran Plunkett

        Really? I wasn’t cool with it, ever.

      • http://twitter.com/MaximoLorenzo Maximo Lorenzo

         I think cheesecake or objectifying fictional characters that aren’t supposed to have depth in the first place is ENTIRELY different than objectifying actual people.

        • Anonymous

           I think we could have a nuanced discussion there, but honestly I’m not equal to that task at the moment.

          Suffice it to say I think we’d both agree that objectifying a person is much worse than objectifying an image, but objectifying an image can still be detrimental to the subset of people represented by that image.

          • http://twitter.com/MaximoLorenzo Maximo Lorenzo

             I agree,  I am more lenient on something like Streetfighter or say Punchout, because we all pretty much agree these are more or less humor / caricatures. But when something tries to display reality driven drama, and 99% of a gender or race is a joke while everyone is untouched or diversified it implies the author thinks that subset of people is only like that and everyone else is diverse…  THAT I think is a problem.

            But yes, objectifying actual people is pretty awful, and I think if people experienced it more and thought about it, they’d realize what’s wrong with doing it.

            What I get a bit confused on is actual people, like booth babes, because obviously they are being signed up to be objectified, that’s their job. That I don’t see as a problem, but when you think it’s okay to treat all women like that, that’s a big no no.

        • Anonymous

           I think we could have a nuanced discussion there, but honestly I’m not equal to that task at the moment.

          Suffice it to say I think we’d both agree that objectifying a person is much worse than objectifying an image, but objectifying an image can still be detrimental to the subset of people represented by that image.

      • http://twitter.com/MaximoLorenzo Maximo Lorenzo

         I think cheesecake or objectifying fictional characters that aren’t supposed to have depth in the first place is ENTIRELY different than objectifying actual people.

      • Anonymous

        Aris was a jackass to people before all this, and not just to women.  I really don’t understand why people weren’t up in arms over him sooner.  Just because it’s “sexual” harassment towards a woman doesn’t mean it’s somehow more serious.  I find it disgusting that so many people seem to think it is.

        • Stefan Nelson

          Its more serious because someone told him to stop, and he didn’t.. Also Cross Assault was supposed to be a big show… and was supposed to hype up our community… And one of the captains selected sexually harrassed someone on live stream. And then AFTERWARDS, the more unseemly parts of the community made fun of it on another major livestream. Its more serious because the rest of the gaming community is watching us now… and we are showing them the worst of ourselves instead of the best… so yeah… Kudos to SRK and EVO for pulling the seeding points. If we want respect from the rest of the community then we need to show people why the majority of our community(the non man-babies) watches streams and comes out to events. And we need to stop letting stupid people like Aris and others represent us on stream. Yes people were making stupid comments before… Nov one cared because it was purely in our community and no one complained. People are complaining now because it IS wrong and we are letting it represent us. The FGC is an amazing group of people of different means and different cultures coming together over the love and hype these games provide. That is an amazing thing. and THAT is what we should be showing the rest of the world… Our commentators have a responsibility to make sure that people tuning in walk away with that message… And yesterday, they didnt…

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1124748606 Orin Quinn

            You’ve missed jSintu’s point. What he was saying was that Aris has been a jackass to just about everyone before recent events, and we probably should have pointed that out before now.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=500222424 John Lam

            honestly aris should be kicked off i cant believe they would let him stay

          • http://twitter.com/GaspoweR Laurenz Pepito

            The show has long been over…the timing of these news just make it seem that its still going on due to the timing…

        • Stefan Nelson

          Its more serious because someone told him to stop, and he didn’t.. Also Cross Assault was supposed to be a big show… and was supposed to hype up our community… And one of the captains selected sexually harrassed someone on live stream. And then AFTERWARDS, the more unseemly parts of the community made fun of it on another major livestream. Its more serious because the rest of the gaming community is watching us now… and we are showing them the worst of ourselves instead of the best… so yeah… Kudos to SRK and EVO for pulling the seeding points. If we want respect from the rest of the community then we need to show people why the majority of our community(the non man-babies) watches streams and comes out to events. And we need to stop letting stupid people like Aris and others represent us on stream. Yes people were making stupid comments before… Nov one cared because it was purely in our community and no one complained. People are complaining now because it IS wrong and we are letting it represent us. The FGC is an amazing group of people of different means and different cultures coming together over the love and hype these games provide. That is an amazing thing. and THAT is what we should be showing the rest of the world… Our commentators have a responsibility to make sure that people tuning in walk away with that message… And yesterday, they didnt…

        • http://twitter.com/MangyForestCat MangyForestCat

          Nobody thinks that way only you. People weren’t up in arms about it sooner because it wasn’t exposed sooner.

          If you knew about this behavior by Aris or any others in the FGC sooner then you could have written a freelance article and told the rest of the gaming community about it… But you didn’t everyone else did.

          As it stand you’re a big part of the problem for defending it. And you’re an even bigger part of the problem if you knew about it before this blew up two days ago and didn’t tell anybody.

        • http://twitter.com/MangyForestCat MangyForestCat

          Nobody thinks that way only you. People weren’t up in arms about it sooner because it wasn’t exposed sooner.

          If you knew about this behavior by Aris or any others in the FGC sooner then you could have written a freelance article and told the rest of the gaming community about it… But you didn’t everyone else did.

          As it stand you’re a big part of the problem for defending it. And you’re an even bigger part of the problem if you knew about it before this blew up two days ago and didn’t tell anybody.

          • Anonymous

            It wasn’t exposed sooner? Lmao… he’s been on streams with thousands of people watching making offensive comments several times before this.

          • http://twitter.com/MangyForestCat MangyForestCat

            EL EM EY OH ellipses Well it took something as big as a Capcom sponsored tourney to bring it to the forefront. I would never have found out unless it was for all of these articles. It does not let you off the hook if you saw those streams earlier and said nothing about it to anybody who could have helped.

            You could have written an article, you could have made a YouTube video outlining and explaining the situation, you could have done many things. Hell, you could have been the tipper to Giantbomb, Kotaku, and PennyArcade, but you weren’t. According to you you say all of this was going on and you knew it and said nothing. You are part of the problem.

          • Anonymous

            It’s not my responsibility to police the actions of every person that acts like a jackass on the internet or anywhere else.  To say that ignoring it makes me part of the problem is one of the most asinine things I’ve ever heard.  By that same logic you’re part of the problem with starving children in Africa if you haven’t donated to any charities.

            With that aside, who’s to say I didn’t say anything?  Aris has attended many events that reached more total views than what the Tekken Cross Assault stream got.  Some of them were even covered by the very same journalists that you’re telling me that I should have sent a message to, so they were clearly watching along with everyone else.  Maybe they just ignored me because they thought it wasn’t a big deal.  Now you might be thinking “Preposterous!  These video game journalists wouldn’t ignore such an offensive person!” and… well… you’re right I guess: http://kotaku.com/5488112/tekken-6-beard-man-is-awesome

            They fucking praised him!  For being offensive!  Funny huh?

          • http://twitter.com/GaspoweR Laurenz Pepito

            Well, if the guy still replies to this than I’ve got no idea how he should reply to it, acting like a white knight…It just upsets me how self righteous he seems to think he is and putting blame on other people, accusing them of being ignorant, negligent, and that they are part of the problem. We should stop with that kind of attitude and instead try to move forward… Dwelling in the past and finger pointing will do nothing for the community and instead we should just improve ourselves first and stop trying to put blame on our fellow community members. This kind of talk will only lead to other problems and we’re not doing any favors in the community if we continue to engage in them.

          • http://twitter.com/GaspoweR Laurenz Pepito

            Well, if the guy still replies to this than I’ve got no idea how he should reply to it, acting like a white knight…It just upsets me how self righteous he seems to think he is and putting blame on other people, accusing them of being ignorant, negligent, and that they are part of the problem. We should stop with that kind of attitude and instead try to move forward… Dwelling in the past and finger pointing will do nothing for the community and instead we should just improve ourselves first and stop trying to put blame on our fellow community members. This kind of talk will only lead to other problems and we’re not doing any favors in the community if we continue to engage in them.

        • http://twitter.com/MangyForestCat MangyForestCat

          Nobody thinks that way only you. People weren’t up in arms about it sooner because it wasn’t exposed sooner.

          If you knew about this behavior by Aris or any others in the FGC sooner then you could have written a freelance article and told the rest of the gaming community about it… But you didn’t everyone else did.

          As it stand you’re a big part of the problem for defending it. And you’re an even bigger part of the problem if you knew about it before this blew up two days ago and didn’t tell anybody.

        • http://www.facebook.com/thisisnotras Rasean Frazier

           Truthfully, I always thought the same thing. He was one of those commentators who rarely seemed to speak on a match so much as spout about random stuff — which is fine, but most of his stuff was assholish. When I saw him on CrossAssault, which was a very widely publicized show online, I figured it was gonna be Sink or Swim.

          So, Sink was the choice.

      • hyerty

        Lets not even talk about aris because it’s obvious he’s wrong..let’s stick with WNF.

        Personally, I think anyone looking at a model in any kind of sexual way should have their eyes pulled out of the sockets…oh wait

        • http://www.facebook.com/thisisnotras Rasean Frazier

           It’s fine to look at any woman you find attractive in a sexual way – but it’s how you express that attraction and *when* you express it that can land you in trouble, lol.

          Anyhow – truthfully, I’m kind of curious as to what’s gonna happen now with other streams. James Chen and UltraDavid had just been talking a few months ago on the subject of how “not everyone can jump on a mic and be a commentator” and it’s definitely looking like that process is going to become much more refined. I doubt events are just going to continue letting whatever popular players jump on the mic anymore…

          But here’s hoping that this whole thing dies down a little from this point on.

      • hyerty

        Lets not even talk about aris because it’s obvious he’s wrong..let’s stick with WNF.

        Personally, I think anyone looking at a model in any kind of sexual way should have their eyes pulled out of the sockets…oh wait

    • Anonymous
    • Anonymous

      No, it’s reality. Normal gamers just want a good game, fanatic gamers have significant mental problems.

      • Anonymous

         No, it’s reality. Normal gamers just want a good game, fanatic gamers have significant mental faculties.

        FYP, np

    • Anonymous

      It’s not depressing, it’s reality. Most gamers just want a good game and when they complain it’s about the game. Fanatic gamers tend to have a lot of problems and simply lash out at people left and right due to their insicurities. Less than ten percent will ever understand the kind of respect and self disapline you would get from martail arts, instead they are the type who act more criminal like, foul language, hassers possible stalkers and most like to be violant.

    • Anonymous

      I agree. “E-sports” saw it’s chance and decided to move in.
      Like a bunch of vultures blaming the lion for the kill, but wanting to get in on the feast.

      And just to be clear, this isn’t about “bad words” being “cool” (which some would gladly make of it), it’s about censorship.
      Case in point, 
      “Marn and Christian will not be invited to speak on future Level | Up broadcasts”. 
      And for what ? A couple of words….

      Does anyone really believe that after hearing Aris, someone would run into the streets and start molesting women ? Does anyone actually believe that Aris would himself actually molest women ? Please.

      Then again, looking at the overall responses in this whole affair, you’d think that Aris is a rampant rapist with no moral boundaries whatsoever and if you don’t watch out, he’ll infect your kids with it too.

      Well played “E-sports”, well played.

      PS: kotaku should be morally sued for slandering a person/community.

    • Anonymous

      I agree. “E-sports” saw it’s chance and decided to move in.
      Like a bunch of vultures blaming the lion for the kill, but wanting to get in on the feast.

      And just to be clear, this isn’t about “bad words” being “cool” (which some would gladly make of it), it’s about censorship.
      Case in point, 
      “Marn and Christian will not be invited to speak on future Level | Up broadcasts”. 
      And for what ? A couple of words….

      Does anyone really believe that after hearing Aris, someone would run into the streets and start molesting women ? Does anyone actually believe that Aris would himself actually molest women ? Please.

      Then again, looking at the overall responses in this whole affair, you’d think that Aris is a rampant rapist with no moral boundaries whatsoever and if you don’t watch out, he’ll infect your kids with it too.

      Well played “E-sports”, well played.

      PS: kotaku should be morally sued for slandering a person/community.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alec-Garcia/100000468453136 Alec Garcia

        Boring commentators from now on… we areally #esports now. 

        • agamergirl

          Boring because sexist commenting and sexually harassing video is being discouraged? Nice. You do know it’s possible to be entertaining without being disrespectful and creepy, right?

          • Anonymous

            You do know, that there was nothing fucking sexist in the vid above, right?

          • Chris Cooney

            I imagine fish don’t notice the water they’re swimming in. It’s always there, right? So why would it stand out for them?

            You’d notice, though. Because you don’t live in water. It’d stand out for you. Try adopting a worldview outside of your own, and things may become apparent where before they were not.

          • Anonymous

            Making light of the situation the day after it hit everyone’s radar to the tune of 14k viewers isn’t sexist?  Allow me to retort.  You’re an imbecile.

          • Anonymous

            Making light of the situation the day after it hit everyone’s radar to the tune of 14k viewers isn’t sexist?  Allow me to retort.  You’re an imbecile.

        • agamergirl

          Boring because sexist commenting and sexually harassing video is being discouraged? Nice. You do know it’s possible to be entertaining without being disrespectful and creepy, right?

      • http://twitter.com/danielrichtmyre Daniel Richtmyre

        Look into ‘rape culture’ you babbling moron. Or don’t, you’re probably just going to argue with me that women should just ‘take a joke’.

        • Anonymous

          Yeah, they should. Like everybody else in the community is not offended by racist jokes, because they’re not meant to be offensive in the first place.

          • http://www.facebook.com/christophercorneliuscooney Christopher Cooney

            How courageous of you, to put the onus of having to put up with a situation that makes people uncomfortable on OTHER people.

            Nobody is under any obligation to put up with feeling marginalized and intimidated because of the thoughtless, careless actions and words of others.

          • http://www.facebook.com/christophercorneliuscooney Christopher Cooney

            How courageous of you, to put the onus of having to put up with a situation that makes people uncomfortable on OTHER people.

            Nobody is under any obligation to put up with feeling marginalized and intimidated because of the thoughtless, careless actions and words of others.

      • http://twitter.com/danielrichtmyre Daniel Richtmyre

        Look into ‘rape culture’ you babbling moron. Or don’t, you’re probably just going to argue with me that women should just ‘take a joke’.

      • http://twitter.com/danielrichtmyre Daniel Richtmyre

        Look into ‘rape culture’ you babbling moron. Or don’t, you’re probably just going to argue with me that women should just ‘take a joke’.

      • Brandon Jumbeck

        Im not into the FGC so i wont claim to know alot about it, but from what I have read Level | Up is a bussiness and they have the right and actually the responibility to do whatever they want to stop this. I understand the Video game community at a whole loves to bitch at things, but really they are within their rights and seems to me they are what is keeping your community alive. So instead of bashing them stand behind your flagship and help improve your community

    • Matt Crane

      As someone who’s new to the fighting game scene (went to my first local tournament last month), I have to say that I hope all this controversy encourages players like Aris to clean up their acts a little. It would be nice if I could take my son with me to a tournament and not have to worry about the kind of language he’s going to hear. I realize we don’t live in a perfect world, and I’ve certainly said some offensive/crass things myself from time to time, but I think in general it’s a good thing for the fighting game community to grow up a little, and try to make tournaments & streams more of a PG environment than R.

      • Anonymous

        I don’t think it’s a good thing at all.. most people older members of the community are used to certain environment and there is no point in changing just to make scrubby newcomers happy.

        • http://twitter.com/Tuen Erick

          Wow… so you’d rather shun the newcomers with offensive behaviors?  Matt, I’m also relatively new and I agree with your sentiment. 

          I don’t really care if you (MakoKako) call me names and what not directly, I’m not that fragile.  But I would like to be proud of what I do in front of anybody I know.  If I have to cherry pick videos and streams to show off just because of this behavior, it says speaks volumes about the community itself. 

          If we could get past this, the potential for growth is astronomical.  I really hope we do.

        • http://twitter.com/sunjammer AndreasSJ

          Wow dude. That attitude is anthrax to scene growth.

    • Matt Crane

      As someone who’s new to the fighting game scene (went to my first local tournament last month), I have to say that I hope all this controversy encourages players like Aris to clean up their acts a little. It would be nice if I could take my son with me to a tournament and not have to worry about the kind of language he’s going to hear. I realize we don’t live in a perfect world, and I’ve certainly said some offensive/crass things myself from time to time, but I think in general it’s a good thing for the fighting game community to grow up a little, and try to make tournaments & streams more of a PG environment than R.

  • http://www.facebook.com/EzetaS Steve Ezeta

    Guaranteed replies

  • http://twitter.com/TheBasedEngel The Based Engel

    I used to sexually harass people, but then I took an arrow to the knee, of course this was all staged and it didn’t hurt because I had my auto-block gem.

    • http://www.facebook.com/THTB614 Dontay Minter

      This is why you can never bother with frontpage monsters.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joshua-Rivera/100000028398579 Joshua Rivera

      How much did that gem cost?

      • Jonathan Swee

        Eight dollars and ninety-five cents.

        • http://www.facebook.com/thisisnotras Rasean Frazier

           Reserving collector’s edition at Victoria’s Secret.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joshua-Rivera/100000028398579 Joshua Rivera

      How much did that gem cost?

  • http://www.facebook.com/Crizzlers Craig Ross

    Love how everyone was like “SRK.com would never do this!”  I’m GLAD SRK is calling it out.  this type of stuff is NOT okay to discuss!  How would you like it if all the girls discussed who they’d like to get into?  In fact, scratch that because you’d all love it.  Good on you SRK.  The FGc has a BAD dark side full of creeps and sexist assholes.

    • Anonymous

      Actually, I wouldn’t like that because that would make the females seem like whores. HURRR HOW DARE GUYS ACT LIKE GUYS HURRR.

      • Anonymous

        “Guys being guys” is pretty much the worst excuse ever.

        • Anonymous

          “Guys being guys” people are probably either single or in a shitty relationship with someone they don’t like. Well, I’m no exception myself, but I think we can all agree the fighting game community is not known for being good with women.

      • Anonymous

        I want to smack the back of your head so hard your teeth pop out of your mouth for typing “hurr”. Fuck.

      • Anonymous

        I don’t mean this message as an encouragement to follow in Aris’ example but…

        Even Aris had more courage than you – he didn’t hide behind a veil of anonymity when riling up other people. 

        Show some respect for yourself.

    • Anonymous

      Actually, I wouldn’t like that because that would make the females seem like whores. HURRR HOW DARE GUYS ACT LIKE GUYS HURRR.

    • Anonymous

      Actually, I wouldn’t like that because that would make the females seem like whores. HURRR HOW DARE GUYS ACT LIKE GUYS HURRR.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1060109302 Kevin Geoffroy

      actually, if said girls are a comparable fat, ugly, or nerdy as a bulk of the dudes that usually say this kind of thing, no guy would be happy about that. I mean, who wants to be on a fat or ugly chicks “to-do” list? I know I sure don’t.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1060109302 Kevin Geoffroy

      actually, if said girls are a comparable fat, ugly, or nerdy as a bulk of the dudes that usually say this kind of thing, no guy would be happy about that. I mean, who wants to be on a fat or ugly chicks “to-do” list? I know I sure don’t.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1060109302 Kevin Geoffroy

      actually, if said girls are a comparable fat, ugly, or nerdy as a bulk of the dudes that usually say this kind of thing, no guy would be happy about that. I mean, who wants to be on a fat or ugly chicks “to-do” list? I know I sure don’t.

      • Anonymous

         Actually I would want to be a fat chick.

      • Anonymous

         Actually I would want to be a fat chick.

      • Anonymous

         Yeah dude, not me with my roided up bro baseball cap on backwards having a fucking MILLER LITE, I only bang hot bitches, bro. Size 2, sleep in tanning bed, etc. etc.

    • Anonymous

       What the hell is your problem kid ?

      • http://www.facebook.com/Crizzlers Craig Ross

        “kid” lol

    • Anonymous

       What the hell is your problem kid ?

  • http://www.facebook.com/Crizzlers Craig Ross

    Love how everyone was like “SRK.com would never do this!”  I’m GLAD SRK is calling it out.  this type of stuff is NOT okay to discuss!  How would you like it if all the girls discussed who they’d like to get into?  In fact, scratch that because you’d all love it.  Good on you SRK.  The FGc has a BAD dark side full of creeps and sexist assholes.

  • http://twitter.com/mymommyhatesme daggy

    stop being such pussies
     

    • http://www.facebook.com/erik.ahrend Erik Ahrend

      Does anyone remember pre-2009 SRK? What a difference three years makes.

      • Anonymous

         Those were good times…*sniff…manly tear*

      • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

        Everyone else is selling-out. Why not SRK, too? I’m depressed.

      • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.pendleton Douglas E Pendleton

         You remember the time before forums and the internet? Now that was real old school.

      • http://twitter.com/Anawnnemus john doe

          You’re welcome to leave. You sure as shit won’t be missed.

      • http://twitter.com/Anawnnemus john doe

          You’re welcome to leave. You sure as shit won’t be missed.

        • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

          It’s not like you’re any more important than he is, self-righteous prick.

        • Eric Williams

          It is pretty crazy how much the community has evolved in that time period. I was around for the DarkPrince beef era in MvC2 and it was a lot of fun messing around with some of the slightly older fighters like CvS2, 3s, and GG:AC when I was just getting into fighting games. Not as much stream drama, and a lot of the drama was more of the word of mouthy gossip type. Wish I would have actually been good at fighters back then.

        • Eric Williams

          It is pretty crazy how much the community has evolved in that time period. I was around for the DarkPrince beef era in MvC2 and it was a lot of fun messing around with some of the slightly older fighters like CvS2, 3s, and GG:AC when I was just getting into fighting games. Not as much stream drama, and a lot of the drama was more of the word of mouthy gossip type. Wish I would have actually been good at fighters back then.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Geesha-Darsha/100001647993932 Geesha Darsha

            Yeah, me too. I was such a Tron/Jill/Rogue scrub back then (12ish).

      • http://twitter.com/Anawnnemus john doe

          You’re welcome to leave. You sure as shit won’t be missed.

    • dub bud

       Typical ignorant stream monster/anonymous comment that’s getting the FGC in such hot water.

      You want people to stop being such pussies? People have a lot invested in the FGC and want to see it grow.

      It’s got nothing to do with being a pussy. Pretty much everyone in the FGC can handle curse words and demeaning jokes, but there’s a difference between doing it in “private” and with your buddies and doing it on something which is streamed and basically media for the masses which is spread throughout the world and which people who aren’t close to it will take as a direct reflection of the scene.
      I wouldn’t expect you to understand because you won’t see the bigger picture.

      You just think “hey, I can handle swearing etc. so everybody else should too”.
      You got zero perspective.

      You couldn’t care less because you’re a nobody and do nothing for the FGC.
      You have nothing invested in the FGC and ergo nothing to loose.
      So you’re happy sitting in front of a stream listening to people act like 12 year old giggling along.

      There is a place and a time for that, but not on bigger streams and events. Evo is hype as hell without any of that bullshit.

      To be honest I wouldn’t mind if SRK moderated the front page comments a little too, to do it’s job in cleaning up the FGC a little more. (not that their not trying – with articles like this etc. they are)

      • Anonymous

         I can’t disagree with alot of your points there but nevertheless, this whole thing got blown way out of proportion for no good reason at all but putting one little aspect of the FGC into the spotlights.

        To me, this is nothing short of disgusting.

      • Anonymous

         I can’t disagree with alot of your points there but nevertheless, this whole thing got blown way out of proportion for no good reason at all but putting one little aspect of the FGC into the spotlights.

        To me, this is nothing short of disgusting.

      • Anonymous

         I can’t disagree with alot of your points there but nevertheless, this whole thing got blown way out of proportion for no good reason at all but putting one little aspect of the FGC into the spotlights.

        To me, this is nothing short of disgusting.

    • http://twitter.com/Nooneyouknow013 Robert Hart

       Haven’t you noticed? being offended by anything and everything is the latest fad in life. I’m getting pretty fucking sick of it myself, people need to fucking grow some spines again.

      • Anonymous

        I always wondered. Do people who say “everyone gets so offended by everything”, ever get offended by anything? I don’t mean do they show that their feelings are hurt, but does anything someone does or says to them ever make them feel bad? I figure that if not, either they’re A-of a class of people too prviledged to be able to insult. Or B-mask their anger when insulted and later spew it towards people that they harbor resentment towards later.

        • http://twitter.com/secondtalon Second Talon

          I’ve found the people first in line with the “Don’t take everything so seriously” response are the ones to absolutely explode if you happen to hit on one of the topics that offends them.

          … anecdotal evidence, not scientifically explored, etc etc, you know the drill.

        • http://twitter.com/MangyForestCat MangyForestCat

          I wonder how Robert Hart would respond if Aris asked his mother, or sister, or girlfriend/wife what her bra size was. I wonder how he would respond if Aris asked his mother, or siser, or wife what she was going to do the bathroom #1 #2. What if Aris sneaked behind his mom, sister, or wife and loudly proclaim that he was going to smell their hair while whispering their boyfriend’s/husband’s name?

          What would his response be if two idiots were then caught in public making jokes about the situation a couple of days later?

          • http://twitter.com/Nooneyouknow013 Robert Hart

            My response to the three of you is this – my real name is actually attached to my words, can any of you say the same? Sorry, but I grew up watching my mom date random guys during my early childhood, and watched her deal with shit like that herself. She’d be more insulted by someone trying to stand up for her than letting her deal with the situation herself.

          • http://www.facebook.com/thisisnotras Rasean Frazier

            But she’d probably still be pretty insulted at the guy doing it, too. Most girls likely would, which goes back to the point.

            It’s not about “growing spines” – it’s about being at least somewhat respectful when you’re speaking in a way that makes you representative of something. The whole point is that people should be on eggshells right now when it comes to the subject of sexual harassment – in any other form of publicized media, people generally are on their guard after a scandal. Case-in-point, the whole Knicks’ Lin thing with the racist phrasing. Two guys lost jobs, and anyone else who considered similar language wised up QUICK.

            Here, many find the entire situation as being worth joking about without realizing that they’re being actively *watched* and spotlighted at this point. Things need to stay low for a little while.

          • Anonymous

            I like having an online nickname, but in this day in age, your online persona can really follow you. I don’t let the anonymity of the web be my shield behind which I act in ways I wouldn’t be proud of. So while I can commend you on being forthright online, I don’t want you to think that my online pseudonym detracts from my online integrity.

            I see your mother could be a proud woman, and that’s good. But it doesn’t disprove my original theory. Almost everyone has something that can hurt their feelings. How they choose to react to it is a whole other story. But if someone knowingly does something inappropriate, or hurtful to someone, that person is WRONG, no matter how the other person reacts.

            Now there ARE some people privileged enough to not have anything that could be seen as a “flaw” or weak point or even “lower place” in society. In a way those people are lucky [read: privileged]. But it’s rare that anyone completely lacks sensitive areas even if they pretend to be impervious. And rarer still that those people who pretend to be impervious don’t lash out at someone else to vent their frustrations.

            Basically ALMOST all of us have things that upset us, and the proper thing to do is treat each other properly as to avoid making others feel upset.

            My name is Tony Knight, and I approve this message.

      • Anonymous

         I just want to say that I do not accept sexual harassment. As a union electrician, im used  to being bombarded with the rules and regulations as it pertains  to this matter.

        That being said, I feel that srk is metaphorically stabbing  levelup (and part of the community) in the back. I live in socal and joined srk the same year it got started, and have seen the community grow to the point it has gotten to today.

        I can understand where srk is coming from, they want to conform to today’s clean standards of speech and fcc regulations in order to insure growth into the wide world of e-sports and make profit, I get it. But why take it out on levelup and people trying to grow our community?

        Im not disappointed in the commentary or the remarks of the community or its members, I expect that of them. I am disappointed in srk for robing levelup of its sponsorship.

        • http://www.facebook.com/thisisnotras Rasean Frazier

           It’s looking like “emergency damage control” at work – but I’m surprised that SRK went as far as cutting the sponsorship, even after LevelUp took steps to correct the issue. I wonder just how far this will all go…

        • Anthony Ha

          I totally agree.  This high-handed, “BURN THE SINNERS!” tactic of getting players to conform to public standards is a bit much. 

          It seems like the FGC is going through some growing pains, and while you have some outrageously rude and crude dudes still on the streams, for the most part things have been pretty civil.  But folks naturally harp on the outrageous, and now we have SRK torching everyone at WNFs and Level|Up because of two commentators.  That sets a nasty precedent, as Rasean implied.

        • Anthony Ha

          I totally agree.  This high-handed, “BURN THE SINNERS!” tactic of getting players to conform to public standards is a bit much. 

          It seems like the FGC is going through some growing pains, and while you have some outrageously rude and crude dudes still on the streams, for the most part things have been pretty civil.  But folks naturally harp on the outrageous, and now we have SRK torching everyone at WNFs and Level|Up because of two commentators.  That sets a nasty precedent, as Rasean implied.

        • http://www.facebook.com/christophercorneliuscooney Christopher Cooney

          If it takes drastic actions to draw attention to what is a cancer on the FGC, then so be it. Sometimes you have to hit people over the head with a rolled-up newspaper to get them to admit that maybe there’s a problem.

          News flash: there’s a problem.

      • Anonymous

        I agree with Super Yan being offended, but who is offended by Marn’s comments on the stream? Who feels alienated by that? Was Canada not alienated as it was being blown up and torn to shreds over the 8.95 thing?

        I’m glad to have commentators that can make light of situations, it’s a nice change of pace

        • http://www.facebook.com/christophercorneliuscooney Christopher Cooney

          By making light of the situation, they were sending the following message: “To anyone who gets hurt by sexist language, hear us: we think you’re a joke, we don’t care about your feelings.” 

      • http://twitter.com/OneMonth2live best bipson

         People can say whatever they want about Aris, but he has actually stood up for players. We need people like him who will stand up to companies who try to force players to play on laggy tv’s or force us to listen to shitty commentators who have never played to game.

        You can try censor the fighting game community or even the gaming community, but it’ll only hide it. If anyone who has been around MLG since halo 2 has been out knows what I mean. Considering all the dirty shit the pro halo players and people who attend mlg have done. Stuff that’s way worst than this.

        It’s honestly funny watching the really tiny percent of people who can make money off of fighting games trying to censor everyone.

  • http://twitter.com/mymommyhatesme daggy

    stop being such pussies
     

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=548228107 Kasey Jones

     Wow, everyone is getting full of butthurt. This whole E-Sports thing is going to end up ruining the scene.

    • Anonymous

      If this is going to ruin it then the scene is officially an irredeemable pile of shit.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kevin-Coleman/100000194469497 Kevin Coleman

         it happened to halo and now its happening here the bigger things get the less the old becomes ok

        • Anonymous

          That’s a pretty lousy example, since the Halo community was always pretty much irredeemable, however the point is that this shouldn’t be ok.

        • http://www.facebook.com/christophercorneliuscooney Christopher Cooney

          Growing pains, man. I imagine you can find areas of the south where they’re still sore about the whole ‘desegregation’ thing. Man, if only we could go back to the Good Old Days, when things were more innocent and fun! There were twice the water fountains!

        • http://www.facebook.com/christophercorneliuscooney Christopher Cooney

          Growing pains, man. I imagine you can find areas of the south where they’re still sore about the whole ‘desegregation’ thing. Man, if only we could go back to the Good Old Days, when things were more innocent and fun! There were twice the water fountains!

        • http://www.facebook.com/christophercorneliuscooney Christopher Cooney

          Growing pains, man. I imagine you can find areas of the south where they’re still sore about the whole ‘desegregation’ thing. Man, if only we could go back to the Good Old Days, when things were more innocent and fun! There were twice the water fountains!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gethoff-Mahfacebuk/558552166 Gethoff Mahfacebuk

       I don’t see how.  Those of us who know how to behave can get right on board with Esports, and the people who don’t want to check themselves can stay underground.  It’s not like Esports means you have to stop going to local tournies. 

      You’ve got the NBA, and then you’ve got the street courts full of people who think they’d totally be in the NBA if it wasn’t for all them rules and shit.  Nobody’s taking your street courts away, some people would rather just graduate to something bigger, and are willing to check their behavior in order to do so.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/MJYE7KQS36FFFZZGB5GMMP2SFE Andre

        I respect that reply Gethoff, great analogy

        • http://twitter.com/rnarsauce mar

           stupid analogy. NBA players actually rape women

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Howard/519809788 John Howard

            By that logic, all fighting game players smell women.

          • http://twitter.com/rnarsauce mar

             isnt that what SRK and Kotaku are saying?

          • http://twitter.com/rnarsauce mar

             isnt that what SRK and Kotaku are saying?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Howard/519809788 John Howard

            By that logic, all fighting game players smell women.

      • Anonymous

        While I do like this analogy I can’t help it but to chime in and say that the NBA (nor any other official sports league) are not angels by any stretch of the imagination.  They’ve had way worse drama.  Players in leagues such as the NBA have a much broader audience and are looked at as role models in some cases.  Yet, these same players have done some horrific things to bring heat on them and the organization they represent.  DUI’s, sexual harassment, hitting women, etc. to name a few.

        I think the phrase, “…you can take the boy out of the hood but not the hood out of the boy.” is appropriate here.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/6FVXGVDM24A2NTNCLZMCO2T3HE Maxwell

           ”I think the phrase, “…you can take the boy out of the hood but not the hood out of the boy.” is appropriate here.” <- That's racist.

          • Anonymous

            Only if you assume he was ONLY talking about minorities, which he didn’t mention once in his post.

            Ah but that’s right, white people don’t live in ‘the hood’. I totally forgot that.

            Seems to me, it’s racist of you to assume that he’s being racist.

          • http://www.facebook.com/keishenra Kyle D. Johnson

            No, sir, that direct quote, for all it’s context, IS quite racist. Nice try dodging it, though.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pat-Tildman/100000418747365 Pat Tildman

            “Ah, but the REAL racist here is the person seeing racism everywhere!!” 

            No, that’s not how racism works. Some words are what we call “dog whistles” – that is, code words used by politicians or bigots (or both) that appear to mean one thing but are read as another thing to a specific subset of the audience. In this case, the dog whistle- one of them- is “the hood”. “The Hood” is a dog whistle, the same as ghetto or welfare queen, for black america. Dog whistles are tricky and dangerous exactly because they are subtle, and because people like you are unwilling to critically examine language to find meaning within the jargon. The post was racist.  

      • Colin Zack

        Awful analogy. NBA players make more because they’re far more talented than street players, it has nothing to do with their behavior. Tons of NBA players are still thugs and act completely irresponsible. 

        • http://www.facebook.com/thurl Thurl Bailey Jr

          Not true… DC Metro area, Texas, NYC area i.e. Rucker Park, has some of the best talent in the world. Some players have that guidance to make it and some don’t. The analogy was acceptable, you just don’t know what the fuck your talking about.

          • Colin Zack

            so you really think those guys are as talented as NBA players? You’re dead wrong. When NBA players go to Rucker Park they drop like 60 points because they’re that much better. If they were as talented teams would be trying to pick them up and make it work. None of them can shoot

          • http://www.facebook.com/thurl Thurl Bailey Jr

            Coming from someone that has actually played at rucker park… yes. 

            People don’t just go to the NBA off talent alone bro.

          • http://www.facebook.com/thurl Thurl Bailey Jr

            Coming from someone that has actually played at rucker park… yes. 

            People don’t just go to the NBA off talent alone bro.

          • Colin Zack

            So Skip to My Lou (Rafer Alston) the BEST player to come out of Rucker Park was at best a mediocre player in the nba, and that means nothing to you. The fact that Kobe and KD go to Rucker and routinely drop 50+ means nothing to you? 

            Seriously what proof do you have that they’re as talented other than you allegedly playing at Rucker Park?

          • Colin Zack

            So Skip to My Lou (Rafer Alston) the BEST player to come out of Rucker Park was at best a mediocre player in the nba, and that means nothing to you. The fact that Kobe and KD go to Rucker and routinely drop 50+ means nothing to you? 

            Seriously what proof do you have that they’re as talented other than you allegedly playing at Rucker Park?

          • Colin Zack

            So Skip to My Lou (Rafer Alston) the BEST player to come out of Rucker Park was at best a mediocre player in the nba, and that means nothing to you. The fact that Kobe and KD go to Rucker and routinely drop 50+ means nothing to you? 

            Seriously what proof do you have that they’re as talented other than you allegedly playing at Rucker Park?

          • Colin Zack

            So Skip to My Lou (Rafer Alston) the BEST player to come out of Rucker Park was at best a mediocre player in the nba, and that means nothing to you. The fact that Kobe and KD go to Rucker and routinely drop 50+ means nothing to you? 

            Seriously what proof do you have that they’re as talented other than you allegedly playing at Rucker Park?

        • http://www.facebook.com/thurl Thurl Bailey Jr

          Rafer is just an EXAMPLE. a current example, who is still in the league. Granted it is the D League, but he’s making more money then you and I combined. If being mediocre in the NBA is something to be ashamed of, don’t tell that to Brain Scalabrine who’s made $20 million by being a practice player for most of his career. 

          Your indicating that streetball players are just bums who can’t cut it. That the only reason that they don’t make money is because they aren’t good enough…That’s False. Some of the best players that ever played in the NBA honed their skills on the blacktops, Hall of Fame players.

          Dr. J – Streetball legend, HOF

          Wilt Chamberland – Streetball legend, HOF

          Tiny Archibald – Streetball legend, HOF

          Kareem – Streetball legend, HOF

          Chris Mullens – HOF as well

          Peewee Kirkland – known as on of the best players to grace the black top, didn’t make it to the NBA not because he wasn’t good enough, but because he making more money in the streets.

          Earl Manigault – ended up being a Crack head

          Lonnie Greene – Projected to go pro but dropped out of UNLV
          ETC… ETC….ETC….

          Kobe and KD are just freaks of nature. They both WILL be hall of famers at the end of there career, but they come from different backgrounds. The difference between KD/Kobe and the players I listed above is that KD/Kobe are not inner city kids. They have had the means or funds to play AAU basketball, have guidance from their parents, and go to a prep school. They’ve had that guidance since DAY 1. Kobe played in Europe at the age of 14. Durant went to one of the best prep schools to date. I’m not taking anything from their skill whatsoever, because they are amazing, but there are amazing players out there that don’t have those luxuries that they had growing up. If KD/Kobe had grew up in the heart of the Mecca, I’m sure they would be streetball legends as well, but they have never been in that type of situation where streetball was the only type of basketball to play to get recognition.  

          Look, the point I’m trying to get across is Gethoff Mahfacebuk analogy was dead on. Talent isn’t the issue here, its character. In order for the FGC to evolve, the players need to act the part. If they want that big money, they are going to need to be more professional, like in basketball; You want to get in the spotlight, then leave that bullshit at the door.

          You don’t have to believe me and I don’t mean to write a book here but basketball is apart of my career, so if it’s credibility you need, googling my name will assure that that I have a solid NBA background. I’ve played with the best and the worst. I see things people don’t see behind the scenes. Although I never played in the NBA, and wasn’t anywhere near NBA talent levels, I am able to travel the world with what I have and know many well known, credible people in the NBA. I love the life basketball has provided for me…

          I just so happen to love fighting games as well.

          • Colin Zack

            Did I say they lack talent, or they weren’t as good as NBA players? Also, not sure how making a decent living compared to you or I is involved at all considering I said that because he was a streetball legend and a serviceable NBA player. My point was that guys who play solely on the streets play there because they lack the fundamental skills that NBA players have, shooting more than anything.

            Honing your skills on the blacktop doesn’t mean you’re a street ball player. Most NBA players grew up playing on the streets in urban environments, but they graduated to the NBA level because of skills they posses. Whether KD or Kobe did is largely irrelevant. If you put the 5 best streetball players against the 5 best NBA players in a game with real rules, the NBA players would absolutely destroy them because they are far more talented. 

            Allen Iverson behaved like a thug the entire time he was in the NBA. He was constantly in trouble and always making an ass of himself BUT PEOPLE AND COACHES PUT UP WITH HIM BECAUSE HE CAN PLAY. If you’re telling me there are street ball guys out there making nothing compared to NBA players because they prefer that lifestyle and not because they aren’t talented enough I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. Maybe in the FGC where the difference is $10,000 for an e-sports type event compared to what we have now, but no one is passing on millions of dollars for that reason. 

            The players you listed like Peewee Kirkland, Earl Manigault, and Lonnie Green aren’t the guys Geoff is talking about (as I see it). Those guys didn’t go pro because of drug addictions and other things you listed. He’s talking about guys who play on the street like Hot Sauce and  Spyder and whoever else. I would be hard pressed to believe there are players who play SOLELY on the street, that possess as much talent as NBA players, because if that were the case they’d be in the NBA. There are tons of locker room cancers, assholes, thugs, etc. in the NBA currently. so I really doubt character flaws and manners are what’s holding them  back. 

          • Colin Zack

            Did I say they lack talent, or they weren’t as good as NBA players? Also, not sure how making a decent living compared to you or I is involved at all considering I said that because he was a streetball legend and a serviceable NBA player. My point was that guys who play solely on the streets play there because they lack the fundamental skills that NBA players have, shooting more than anything.

            Honing your skills on the blacktop doesn’t mean you’re a street ball player. Most NBA players grew up playing on the streets in urban environments, but they graduated to the NBA level because of skills they posses. Whether KD or Kobe did is largely irrelevant. If you put the 5 best streetball players against the 5 best NBA players in a game with real rules, the NBA players would absolutely destroy them because they are far more talented. 

            Allen Iverson behaved like a thug the entire time he was in the NBA. He was constantly in trouble and always making an ass of himself BUT PEOPLE AND COACHES PUT UP WITH HIM BECAUSE HE CAN PLAY. If you’re telling me there are street ball guys out there making nothing compared to NBA players because they prefer that lifestyle and not because they aren’t talented enough I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. Maybe in the FGC where the difference is $10,000 for an e-sports type event compared to what we have now, but no one is passing on millions of dollars for that reason. 

            The players you listed like Peewee Kirkland, Earl Manigault, and Lonnie Green aren’t the guys Geoff is talking about (as I see it). Those guys didn’t go pro because of drug addictions and other things you listed. He’s talking about guys who play on the street like Hot Sauce and  Spyder and whoever else. I would be hard pressed to believe there are players who play SOLELY on the street, that possess as much talent as NBA players, because if that were the case they’d be in the NBA. There are tons of locker room cancers, assholes, thugs, etc. in the NBA currently. so I really doubt character flaws and manners are what’s holding them  back. 

          • Colin Zack

            Did I say they lack talent, or they weren’t as good as NBA players? Also, not sure how making a decent living compared to you or I is involved at all considering I said that because he was a streetball legend and a serviceable NBA player. My point was that guys who play solely on the streets play there because they lack the fundamental skills that NBA players have, shooting more than anything.

            Honing your skills on the blacktop doesn’t mean you’re a street ball player. Most NBA players grew up playing on the streets in urban environments, but they graduated to the NBA level because of skills they posses. Whether KD or Kobe did is largely irrelevant. If you put the 5 best streetball players against the 5 best NBA players in a game with real rules, the NBA players would absolutely destroy them because they are far more talented. 

            Allen Iverson behaved like a thug the entire time he was in the NBA. He was constantly in trouble and always making an ass of himself BUT PEOPLE AND COACHES PUT UP WITH HIM BECAUSE HE CAN PLAY. If you’re telling me there are street ball guys out there making nothing compared to NBA players because they prefer that lifestyle and not because they aren’t talented enough I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. Maybe in the FGC where the difference is $10,000 for an e-sports type event compared to what we have now, but no one is passing on millions of dollars for that reason. 

            The players you listed like Peewee Kirkland, Earl Manigault, and Lonnie Green aren’t the guys Geoff is talking about (as I see it). Those guys didn’t go pro because of drug addictions and other things you listed. He’s talking about guys who play on the street like Hot Sauce and  Spyder and whoever else. I would be hard pressed to believe there are players who play SOLELY on the street, that possess as much talent as NBA players, because if that were the case they’d be in the NBA. There are tons of locker room cancers, assholes, thugs, etc. in the NBA currently. so I really doubt character flaws and manners are what’s holding them  back. 

      • Anonymous

         horrible analogy

      • http://www.facebook.com/thurl Thurl Bailey Jr

        Perfect analogy. Totally agree.

        For those that don’t think so, there are plenty of streetball legends that made the transition to the NBA. Take Rafer Alston for example (Skip to my Lou). Then again there are a lot that didn’t make it, not because they weren’t good enough, but because they couldn’t leave the hood alone. You can’t bring bad character/street shit to a Major College or any type of professional organization.

    • Anonymous

      This isn’t about E-Sports, this is about not being a goddamn bigot. Hate-speech is not ok, regardless of whether E-Sports says it is or isn’t. He’s right when he says that the strength of the community is how awesome we are when we get together – it’s not in how offensive some of us can be when given a platform. In fact, right now, that’s one of our worst points.

      • http://twitter.com/Zenmetsu89 Saba

        Racist jokes and hate-speech are torrally different things. Hate-speach promotes actual violence and discrimination, while racist jokes can do the opposite. I joke around with my friends all the time, they talk shit to me, I talk shit to them, no harm done and nobody gets offended. It’s all about knowing that it’s just a joke not meant to be taken literally.

        • http://www.facebook.com/keishenra Kyle D. Johnson

          See, here’s the thing: Once we have streams and sponsorships, that are watched by people that will associate it with a developer or type of game, that “We’re all just friends, nobody gets offended” shit means a whole lot less.

        • Anonymous

          That’s fine – when it’s just you with your friends. You guys know each other, you know that none of the harassment is intended to demean or belittle the person into a subhuman position. Aris’s behaviour was not ok because it was active harassment and persecution of someone who clearly wasn’t comfortable with it.

          There’s also the distinction between racist jokes that reinforce stereotypes, versus those that attack or expose them.

        • Anonymous

          That’s fine – when it’s just you with your friends. You guys know each other, you know that none of the harassment is intended to demean or belittle the person into a subhuman position. Aris’s behaviour was not ok because it was active harassment and persecution of someone who clearly wasn’t comfortable with it.

          There’s also the distinction between racist jokes that reinforce stereotypes, versus those that attack or expose them.

        • Anonymous

          That’s fine – when it’s just you with your friends. You guys know each other, you know that none of the harassment is intended to demean or belittle the person into a subhuman position. Aris’s behaviour was not ok because it was active harassment and persecution of someone who clearly wasn’t comfortable with it.

          There’s also the distinction between racist jokes that reinforce stereotypes, versus those that attack or expose them.

        • http://www.facebook.com/christophercorneliuscooney Christopher Cooney

          Racism and sexism don’t exist in a vacuum. If you tolerate and promote that sort of language and thinking when just ‘among friends’ it will inform your actions when you’re not around just your friends. You may ask, “What’s the harm?” Allow me to inform you.

          When you make it clear when just among your friends that speech like that is okay, you are giving license to anyone around you that not only do you think it’s acceptable, but that people who hold honestly sexist opinions are in good company when around you. You may not be sexist yourself, but you’re wearing the uniform and flying the flag, even if just in private. While your public (false) face might be one of gentle inclusion and you may go out of your way not to offend when in mixed company, those that associate with you may not. And they will take your tacit approval as license to behave that way.

          The only way to change the behaviors of others is to change your own. Only when sexist and racist opinions are deemed universally unacceptable will they disappear. And we each of us have a responsibility to try and make that happen, and we do so by altering our own behavior.

          The alternative is promoting and endorsing a culture of sexism, homophobia, and intimidation. A culture where minorities and women can be made to feel uncomfortable. There is no excuse for that. 

        • http://www.facebook.com/christophercorneliuscooney Christopher Cooney

          Racism and sexism don’t exist in a vacuum. If you tolerate and promote that sort of language and thinking when just ‘among friends’ it will inform your actions when you’re not around just your friends. You may ask, “What’s the harm?” Allow me to inform you.

          When you make it clear when just among your friends that speech like that is okay, you are giving license to anyone around you that not only do you think it’s acceptable, but that people who hold honestly sexist opinions are in good company when around you. You may not be sexist yourself, but you’re wearing the uniform and flying the flag, even if just in private. While your public (false) face might be one of gentle inclusion and you may go out of your way not to offend when in mixed company, those that associate with you may not. And they will take your tacit approval as license to behave that way.

          The only way to change the behaviors of others is to change your own. Only when sexist and racist opinions are deemed universally unacceptable will they disappear. And we each of us have a responsibility to try and make that happen, and we do so by altering our own behavior.

          The alternative is promoting and endorsing a culture of sexism, homophobia, and intimidation. A culture where minorities and women can be made to feel uncomfortable. There is no excuse for that. 

        • http://www.facebook.com/christophercorneliuscooney Christopher Cooney

          Racism and sexism don’t exist in a vacuum. If you tolerate and promote that sort of language and thinking when just ‘among friends’ it will inform your actions when you’re not around just your friends. You may ask, “What’s the harm?” Allow me to inform you.

          When you make it clear when just among your friends that speech like that is okay, you are giving license to anyone around you that not only do you think it’s acceptable, but that people who hold honestly sexist opinions are in good company when around you. You may not be sexist yourself, but you’re wearing the uniform and flying the flag, even if just in private. While your public (false) face might be one of gentle inclusion and you may go out of your way not to offend when in mixed company, those that associate with you may not. And they will take your tacit approval as license to behave that way.

          The only way to change the behaviors of others is to change your own. Only when sexist and racist opinions are deemed universally unacceptable will they disappear. And we each of us have a responsibility to try and make that happen, and we do so by altering our own behavior.

          The alternative is promoting and endorsing a culture of sexism, homophobia, and intimidation. A culture where minorities and women can be made to feel uncomfortable. There is no excuse for that. 

      • Anonymous

         go home plz

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=769835536 Stuart Hayden

      uum, it already has.

      • http://twitter.com/Anawnnemus john doe

         ……..

        ……

        .. Do you ever look at your pictures before you post them online?..

        • Anonymous

          can we advocate for stuart hayden to have the title of “douchebag of the fgc”

    • Anonymous

      How the fuck does this relate to eSports in any way. There’s no way to make eSports a scapegoat. You’re on your own here. ESports isn’t to blame. You’re to blame. Man up. Accept that this community fucked up and stop blaming eSports for everything.

      • Anonymous

        plz go home

        • Anonymous

          I am home idiot.

          • Anonymous

            First of all, manners kid.
            Secondly, G o  H o m e.

          • Anonymous

            First of all, manners kid.
            Secondly, G o  H o m e.

    • Anonymous

      How the fuck does this relate to eSports in any way. There’s no way to make eSports a scapegoat. You’re on your own here. ESports isn’t to blame. You’re to blame. Man up. Accept that this community fucked up and stop blaming eSports for everything.

  • http://twitter.com/supernovajm Jeff McCallon

    Glad to see that Level | Up is making an effort to provide more quality commentary like James Chen and UltraDavid

    • RenaTurnip

      Just gonna be honest and upfront, David’s said some awfully “hrmm” things at times >.> I like him a lot, but he’s pushed it once or twice too. James, quite less so.

    • RenaTurnip

      Just gonna be honest and upfront, David’s said some awfully “hrmm” things at times >.> I like him a lot, but he’s pushed it once or twice too. James, quite less so.

    • http://twitter.com/DanAlvaRadOh Danny Alvarado

       James is sort of a buzzkill… Walking encyclopedia, but a buzzkill, when on commentary, or teaching stuff.

    • Anonymous

      I think that there needn’t be a zero-sum game between the likes of Ultradavid (that is, being the newer and more information centric commentary) and those of local scenes and walk-in pros (who use commentary as a means of entertaining the streaming public).

      In other words, “Quality” doesn’t mean that you have to become James Chen. I’ve seen/heard some commentators out there who do a fantastic job, but take an approach completely different from the former.

      • Donovan Harris

        Exactly, I love “UltraChen” as much as the next guy, but if I can’t see “Team Rush Hour” commentating anymore then I am seriously going to be upset. 

      • Donovan Harris

        Exactly, I love “UltraChen” as much as the next guy, but if I can’t see “Team Rush Hour” commentating anymore then I am seriously going to be upset. 

  • http://twitter.com/supernovajm Jeff McCallon

    Glad to see that Level | Up is making an effort to provide more quality commentary like James Chen and UltraDavid

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PDCWMS7QL5TSWWTBFFV7ZDLY6A RugalAKSU

    How about not generalizing? There are actually some members of the fighting game community that are civilized human beings. Believe it or not.

    • Anonymous

      That’s exactly what this post did say. There are awesome people in the community, and they’ve taken a stand against the shitheads along with the rest of the decent human beings. Which is exactly what this announcement is doing.

      • Anonymous

         You feel good about yourself calling people that you’ve never even met “shitheads” ? 

        Get some manners kid.

        • Anonymous

          To be fair; I have never met you, but throughout this forum discussion you have made it painfully clear that you are a shit head…

          Also, how do you accuse someone of having no manners when you are defending misogyny. 

          Get some human decency, kid.

          • Anonymous

             Read, then write, ok ?

            How am I defending misogyny ?

            And once more, manners kid.

        • Anonymous

          To be fair; I have never met you, but throughout this forum discussion you have made it painfully clear that you are a shit head…

          Also, how do you accuse someone of having no manners when you are defending misogyny. 

          Get some human decency, kid.

        • Anonymous

          To be fair; I have never met you, but throughout this forum discussion you have made it painfully clear that you are a shit head…

          Also, how do you accuse someone of having no manners when you are defending misogyny. 

          Get some human decency, kid.

        • Anonymous

          I feel completely at peace calling those who use and defend bigoted language and behaviour ‘shitheads’, yes. If they stopped doing that, I’d stop having that opinion of them. If they actively took a stand against prejudicial behaviour, I’d salute them.

          Get some perspective, child.

          • Anonymous

            I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume your being a troll, not an actual retard.

            But really, trolling in general is getting kinda old, so plz give it a rest ok?

          • Anonymous

            How is calling out those who see no distinction between prejudiced abuse and trash talk, and defend both equally, ‘shitheads’ being a retard or a troll? That spells ‘decent human being’ to me.

            I don’t know why you’re so up in arms to defend the FGC as a place where only people in the majority can have fun. Where everyone in their own minority within the scene is fair game for abuse and harassment. Where there’s no line between trash talk and genuine hate. I’ve never encountered that FGC – I’m happy to prevent the FGC becoming that thing. I don’t think we need hateful bigotry, and I don’t think it makes our scene better.

          • Anonymous

            How is calling out those who see no distinction between prejudiced abuse and trash talk, and defend both equally, ‘shitheads’ being a retard or a troll? That spells ‘decent human being’ to me.

            I don’t know why you’re so up in arms to defend the FGC as a place where only people in the majority can have fun. Where everyone in their own minority within the scene is fair game for abuse and harassment. Where there’s no line between trash talk and genuine hate. I’ve never encountered that FGC – I’m happy to prevent the FGC becoming that thing. I don’t think we need hateful bigotry, and I don’t think it makes our scene better.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PDCWMS7QL5TSWWTBFFV7ZDLY6A RugalAKSU

    How about not generalizing? There are actually some members of the fighting game community that are civilized human beings. Believe it or not.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Dupill/510491495 Timothy Dupill

    I like how thousands of us are thrown under the bus because a few god damn morons can’t keep their mouth shut. The rest of us actually know how to treat other human beings but thanks to a few public faces my friends and I now have to deal with a stigma that we don’t deserve. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Dupill/510491495 Timothy Dupill

      Fuck Sexual Harassment. 

      • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

        No. We’re threw under the bus by some slag who didn’t belong in our scene to begin with. Real talk. Based. Gives no fucks.

        • http://thejohnsondesign.deviantart.com/ johnson

          whatever dude. miranda isn’t some slag, she’s a fighter just like you or me. she was participating and aris fucked up. maybe all parties could’ve handled things differently but the fact is they didn’t. victims can’t harass themselves, but that doesn’t mean SRK had to overreact and bulldozer anyone that said anything that wasn’t completely pristine regarding the situation. i hate that this happened to levelUp stream, but it might have to happen until our scene balances out. and anyway, if you’re saying things like this maybe you should leave the scene.

          • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

            Trust me. She is nothing like me. I’m a normal human being who understands the cultures that I become involved in. And when someone truly offends me, I don’t say it’s okay only to put them on blast three-days later. Oh, and I don’t shit all over hundreds of other people who auditioned for an opportunity of a lifetime to win $25,000, by dropping out because of my precious feelings.

          • http://twitter.com/MssngPrsnC4NT Corey Lanier

            How many times does it have to be reiterated that MISOGYNY AND SEXUAL HARRASSMENT IS NOT A CULTURAL TRAIT, IT IS A CRIME?

            And yeah, you don’t do that, because you weren’t there.  She was.  And the world keeps turning.

            You sound like a jealous butthurt whiner because she got picked over you.  Want in? Don’t be boring on cam.  Problem solved.

          • http://twitter.com/Gilthwixt Patrick M

            Well congratulations on being an internet tough guy. You might be able to speak up right away when someone offends you, but the fact is not everyone is going to find the courage to do so right away, if ever. So many sexual harassment and even rape cases go without prosecution all the time, and here you are blaming the victims for not saying something sooner. Scumbag.

          • Anonymous

            Yeah, because people who get sexually harassed have to make others her top priority.

          • http://thejohnsondesign.deviantart.com/ johnson

            Wow, tbh I expected to get flamed hard considering this is SRK , but you responded intelligently and articulately. That said, as a
            man that has to provide for himself, I agree with being direct and
            straightforward, and I would’ve handled the situation the same way you
            would. I’m sure some ladies would’ve called it out on the first day too. But neither of us was there, nor are we Miranda. I and a lot of other stream monsters in the chat watched it unfold and thought it was going too far at the time. I could also tell she was uncomfortable but maybe was hanging in there for the $25k and team. She also said she did address it
            privately with Aris but apparently he didn’t care/do enough for
            recompense–as maybe he didn’t get the severity of the situation. Haunts got his statement first and seemed like haunts didn’t
            want to let Miranda speak. Both Aris AND Mike Watson (via twitter) criticized her for saying some risque stuff about Korean men (she was defending her boyfriend from the stream chat) while, at the same time having a problem with how Aris treated her. But what they didn’t get was that it’s her right to decide how she wants to be talked to by anyone just like it’s yours or mine.

            I’m in a situation at my job where if i complain any more about it, I’ll probably get let go as it’s an ongoing problem I have with a coworker I can’t get away from. It’s easy to say how we can handle some things, but if there’s a lot riding on a decision sometimes it takes time to figure out what the best move would be. Just like Miranda could’ve said something sooner, Haunts could have, FGC members with lots of pull who watched the stream could’ve said something… Hell, Aris could’ve stopped after Eliver Ling called what he was doing “sexual hARISment”in the stream chat. I mean, Aris read it aloud. I can guarantee you that this stuff didn’t come out of Alex Valle’s Camp and he definitely had an attractive female teammate in Sherryjenix. plus I actually like Aris. I think Aris is a funny, intelligent person and is probably a good friend to people in his life, but he went too far while the world was watching. This whole situation stinks, but if this is what has to go down for change to happen, then I’m all for it.

          • http://thejohnsondesign.deviantart.com/ johnson

            Wow, tbh I expected to get flamed hard considering this is SRK , but you responded intelligently and articulately. That said, as a
            man that has to provide for himself, I agree with being direct and
            straightforward, and I would’ve handled the situation the same way you
            would. I’m sure some ladies would’ve called it out on the first day too. But neither of us was there, nor are we Miranda. I and a lot of other stream monsters in the chat watched it unfold and thought it was going too far at the time. I could also tell she was uncomfortable but maybe was hanging in there for the $25k and team. She also said she did address it
            privately with Aris but apparently he didn’t care/do enough for
            recompense–as maybe he didn’t get the severity of the situation. Haunts got his statement first and seemed like haunts didn’t
            want to let Miranda speak. Both Aris AND Mike Watson (via twitter) criticized her for saying some risque stuff about Korean men (she was defending her boyfriend from the stream chat) while, at the same time having a problem with how Aris treated her. But what they didn’t get was that it’s her right to decide how she wants to be talked to by anyone just like it’s yours or mine.

            I’m in a situation at my job where if i complain any more about it, I’ll probably get let go as it’s an ongoing problem I have with a coworker I can’t get away from. It’s easy to say how we can handle some things, but if there’s a lot riding on a decision sometimes it takes time to figure out what the best move would be. Just like Miranda could’ve said something sooner, Haunts could have, FGC members with lots of pull who watched the stream could’ve said something… Hell, Aris could’ve stopped after Eliver Ling called what he was doing “sexual hARISment”in the stream chat. I mean, Aris read it aloud. I can guarantee you that this stuff didn’t come out of Alex Valle’s Camp and he definitely had an attractive female teammate in Sherryjenix. plus I actually like Aris. I think Aris is a funny, intelligent person and is probably a good friend to people in his life, but he went too far while the world was watching. This whole situation stinks, but if this is what has to go down for change to happen, then I’m all for it.

          • http://thejohnsondesign.deviantart.com/ johnson

            Wow, tbh I expected to get flamed hard considering this is SRK , but you responded intelligently and articulately. That said, as a
            man that has to provide for himself, I agree with being direct and
            straightforward, and I would’ve handled the situation the same way you
            would. I’m sure some ladies would’ve called it out on the first day too. But neither of us was there, nor are we Miranda. I and a lot of other stream monsters in the chat watched it unfold and thought it was going too far at the time. I could also tell she was uncomfortable but maybe was hanging in there for the $25k and team. She also said she did address it
            privately with Aris but apparently he didn’t care/do enough for
            recompense–as maybe he didn’t get the severity of the situation. Haunts got his statement first and seemed like haunts didn’t
            want to let Miranda speak. Both Aris AND Mike Watson (via twitter) criticized her for saying some risque stuff about Korean men (she was defending her boyfriend from the stream chat) while, at the same time having a problem with how Aris treated her. But what they didn’t get was that it’s her right to decide how she wants to be talked to by anyone just like it’s yours or mine.

            I’m in a situation at my job where if i complain any more about it, I’ll probably get let go as it’s an ongoing problem I have with a coworker I can’t get away from. It’s easy to say how we can handle some things, but if there’s a lot riding on a decision sometimes it takes time to figure out what the best move would be. Just like Miranda could’ve said something sooner, Haunts could have, FGC members with lots of pull who watched the stream could’ve said something… Hell, Aris could’ve stopped after Eliver Ling called what he was doing “sexual hARISment”in the stream chat. I mean, Aris read it aloud. I can guarantee you that this stuff didn’t come out of Alex Valle’s Camp and he definitely had an attractive female teammate in Sherryjenix. plus I actually like Aris. I think Aris is a funny, intelligent person and is probably a good friend to people in his life, but he went too far while the world was watching. This whole situation stinks, but if this is what has to go down for change to happen, then I’m all for it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=585677402 Matt Meade

      No one is saying it’s all of us, but you actually do become part of the problem if you exaggerate the other direction and pretend it’s only 1 or 2 guys.

    • Anonymous

      Seriously. To combat this, though, the decent human beings in the scene (which is most of us, I’m sure!) need to not stand for it. We need to call it out, and make sure everyone knows we don’t think this is ok. The problem is that some our nastier elements are also some of our loudest.

      • Anonymous

        You hit it right on the head. Its a lot easier for the negative sides of things to be pointed out than the positive.

        That said, one of the most important things that we have to put into consideration is to _separate the action from the person_. While yes, some people have irreparable behavioral problems – that doesnt mean that every person who makes a mistake out there is a monster.

        Aris, for example, did a wrong thing (I have to personally admit that I didn’t see it that way before, but these events have made me realize that I was wrong). But that doesnt equate to Aris being a bad person. As people above have said, Aris does do a lot of great things – he’s a great player, and he does have a lot of advice to give to everyone else. 

        I think this incident has at least given Aris room to rethink his approach when socializing and presenting himself in the community, and maybe next time, we won’t run into the same problems again.

      • Anonymous

        You hit it right on the head. Its a lot easier for the negative sides of things to be pointed out than the positive.

        That said, one of the most important things that we have to put into consideration is to _separate the action from the person_. While yes, some people have irreparable behavioral problems – that doesnt mean that every person who makes a mistake out there is a monster.

        Aris, for example, did a wrong thing (I have to personally admit that I didn’t see it that way before, but these events have made me realize that I was wrong). But that doesnt equate to Aris being a bad person. As people above have said, Aris does do a lot of great things – he’s a great player, and he does have a lot of advice to give to everyone else. 

        I think this incident has at least given Aris room to rethink his approach when socializing and presenting himself in the community, and maybe next time, we won’t run into the same problems again.

  • http://twitter.com/TBM24x Chris B

    Welp shit the hit the fan just landed

  • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

    The entire situation is just stupid.  I’d be making fun of it too.

    This article only does more to perpetuate this sensationalist controversy instead of ending it like the parties involved already have.

    Doing more harm than good.

    • http://twitter.com/BRad480 B Rad

      No what perpetuates this is morons who are cracking jokes about this on a stream the day after. If they didn’t bring it back up and act in a way that only confirms what Aris said I promise you this article would never have been written.

      • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

        People will never stop having a sense of humor.  It’s pointless to expect anyone to not crack a joke about anything.

        • http://twitter.com/BRad480 B Rad

          I guess the problem is with what people think is funny….

          • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

            or what people find offensive

        • Anonymous

          People are just unloading all the shit they got on their mind because the internet is anonymous and and no mod gives a shit (when they do not set the tone themselves). Obviously the simple jokes aren’t to blame here.

        • http://www.facebook.com/ItsCHOPPERZ Courtney Graham

          There’s your problem. You think that it’s a sense of humor, other people find it offensive. Just like every other joke out there, there is a time and a place for it, and in front of 14,000 people who are anonymous is probably not the best place for a joke that is obviously offensive to a group of people. I understand if you want to take the “but its a joke you guys are taking it too seriously” route, but please understand that you’re not a child, you’re an adult – act like one.

          I don’t even see how you couldn’t put two and two together.

          • http://twitter.com/Zenmetsu89 Saba

            If we had to stop saying things because people might find them offensive, then any word in the vocabulary would be off-limits.

          • Anonymous

             And we could scrap 90% of stand-up/commedy routines….

          • Anonymous

             I guess you’ve never been to a commedy routine ? Those are mostly an adult being obviously offensive in front of a bunch of people for the fun of it.

            Not to mention they get paid for it.

        • Edwin Lee

          So for example, if your mother or someone close to you gets hit by a bus and is in the hospital, then the VERY next day, someone makes a joke in reference to that incident, and tells you “You expect me to not crack a joke? Have a sense of humor.” How would you respond?

          The only thing that would be pointless to expect is for people to stop being ignorant.

          • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

            What if it snowed in San Fransisco, then the Earth was bombarded by meteors, leaving only you alive, and the earthworms in the ground make a joke in reference to that incident, and tell you “You expect me to not crack a joke? Have a sense of humor.” How would you respond?

            I can ask you a question about an irrelevant, hypothetical situation that you can’t answer based on your own experiences too.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tyler-Clark/100003205731496 Tyler Clark

             i like how related this to mother hit buy bus, great analogy BRO

          • http://mystady.com/ MY STADY — mystady.com

            If my mother got hit by a bus and was laying in the hospital and someone made a joke about I’d laugh—if the joke was clever.

    • http://www.facebook.com/josepht.medina Joey T Medina

      No one is telling you not to have an opinion. Just keep the offensiveness OFF THE MIC.

      It’s not hard people. It’s NOT HARD.

      • Ayodeji Asagba

        Among all the comments so far, this is easily my favorite. Makes so much fucking sense. If you wanna bash women/sexual preferences/whatever just get the fuck away from the mic/camera. Whether its right or wrong it is your opinion, but respect that not everyone wants to hear it. 

      • Ayodeji Asagba

        Among all the comments so far, this is easily my favorite. Makes so much fucking sense. If you wanna bash women/sexual preferences/whatever just get the fuck away from the mic/camera. Whether its right or wrong it is your opinion, but respect that not everyone wants to hear it. 

      • http://twitter.com/Zenmetsu89 Saba

        It’s not that simple. Different people find different things offensive.

        • Donovan Harris

          Exactly. I didn’t watch Cross Assault, but from what I’ve read, Miranda was obviously upset by what Aris said to her. Whatever. Who particularly were they talking about? The Nos girls, who get paid to wear clothes and stand in positions that men (and probably even some girls) find attractive?

      • http://twitter.com/Zenmetsu89 Saba

        It’s not that simple. Different people find different things offensive.

    • Anonymous

      Maybe it shouldn’t end, maybe some of us need it to be rubbed to our faces a little more. I say put them kids on blast as much as possible.

    • Anonymous

       this

  • http://twitter.com/BRad480 B Rad

    Best. SRK. Article. Ever.

  • Brandon Perry

    Respect

  • http://twitter.com/Spoony_J JR Lyles

    For Christ’s sake, it’s jokes people. Get over yourselves, you play video games not save lives.

    • http://twitter.com/Gilthwixt Patrick M

      For Christ’s sake, it’s sexual harassment people. Get over yourselves, we play video games not shit on other peoples feelings.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Neil-Freer/100000050268749 Neil Freer

        I shit on other peoples feelings quite often while playing said video games

        • Anonymous

          There’s winning against people, and there’s offending them personally.

          There’s nothing wrong with winning, but there is a problem with knowingly insulting them in a way that will be interpreted as offensive.

  • danzo uchia

    cough-who-cares!

  • http://www.facebook.com/justicesoultuna Patrick Toworfe

    OMG, all this fuckin drama. WHY. Gawdamn, we can’t be e-sports it just won’t work. Now all this ‘sexual harassment’ bs is infecting everything now, exposing us for all the wrong reasons. Yeah it’s wrong and all that, but seriously in the first bloody place we shouldn’t have to make a public spectacle out of a few dudes being dicks. Damn this whole thing just sucks

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christopher-Rivera/100000634687388 Christopher Rivera

    So basically  everyone is going to become boring and “professional” shit if I wanted to pretend I cared about people I would go back to work instead of watching this borefest.

    • Anonymous

      No, it’s about drawing the line between trash talk and actively being a frickin bigot. There’s a difference between insults, harmless flaming, etc and hateful, prejudiced and abusive language. Too bad idiots like Aris who’re still unaware of that difference are so high profile.

      • Anonymous

        Aris already apologized and is not mentioned in this article. I believe ghe focus is on Marn and Christian now.

      • http://twitter.com/OneMonth2live best bipson

         Harmless flaming? The meaning of that is so vague it’s meaningless. Yeah, I guess insults are okay as long as nobody says you can’t say it. Oh wait…

        Please learn the definition of the word bigot. It’s really sad that dipshits like you who can’t even form a logical opinion are the reason this never ending BS is happening. Can we all just get back to enjoying video games, or should I just attend the next tournament in a business suit?

        • Anonymous

          Seriously, you’r going with the classic distraction-from-the-point technique of “Learn definitions! Be logical!” when I’m using both correctly? This isn’t your high school debating class, son.

          Although ironically, if you seriously can’t distinguish between harmless jibes and hateful, prejudiced and bigoted language & behaviour then I fear it’s you who needs to go out and learn some shit before contributing to this discussion.

          And nice strawman with the business suit example. But seriously, you think removing hateful prejudiced behaviour from the scene is like making the whole thing suits-only? You really love the bigotry that much? I can’t say I’ve encountered any in the tourneys and sessions I’ve been to, so maybe it’s just me who doesn’t think they have a place in the scene, or that the scene wouldn’t be that different without them…

    • Anonymous

      No, it’s about drawing the line between trash talk and actively being a frickin bigot. There’s a difference between insults, harmless flaming, etc and hateful, prejudiced and abusive language. Too bad idiots like Aris who’re still unaware of that difference are so high profile.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dakota-Dotson/100000657054347 Dakota Dotson

    Wow, minds well join up with MLG while your at it srk.

    You can’t have it both way’s you want the rawness and to be political at the same time. This is going to my last year “supporting” tournaments and majors. It is becoming something else entirely.

    • Anonymous

      Since when was the scene purely based on being a hateful bigot? I didn’t know our tourneys were KKK rallies… No tourney I’ve ever been to has required (or has even had) any prejudiced comments. I don’t think the scene’ll be all that different if people keep the hateful bigotry out of their trashtalk.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ALQKRMXU7KBIOIDLWWEMVRGT64 Olive

         KKK RALlIES???!?!?! ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE???!?!?!?!?!

        • Anonymous

          I couldn’t think of another ‘meet-up’ based group that 100% relied on being a hateful bigot and wouldn’t be the same without it – which is what that commenter seemed to suggest they thought the FGC was. As if the FGC would be pointless without prejudicial, hateful behaviour. 

          If you can think of a better ‘meet-up’ based group that 100% relies on being a hateful bigot, and just wouldn’t be the same without it, then please tell me and I’ll edit it to your tastes.

        • Anonymous

          I couldn’t think of another ‘meet-up’ based group that 100% relied on being a hateful bigot and wouldn’t be the same without it – which is what that commenter seemed to suggest they thought the FGC was. As if the FGC would be pointless without prejudicial, hateful behaviour. 

          If you can think of a better ‘meet-up’ based group that 100% relies on being a hateful bigot, and just wouldn’t be the same without it, then please tell me and I’ll edit it to your tastes.

        • Anonymous

          I couldn’t think of another ‘meet-up’ based group that 100% relied on being a hateful bigot and wouldn’t be the same without it – which is what that commenter seemed to suggest they thought the FGC was. As if the FGC would be pointless without prejudicial, hateful behaviour. 

          If you can think of a better ‘meet-up’ based group that 100% relies on being a hateful bigot, and just wouldn’t be the same without it, then please tell me and I’ll edit it to your tastes.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ALQKRMXU7KBIOIDLWWEMVRGT64 Olive

         KKK RALlIES???!?!?! ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE???!?!?!?!?!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/ALQKRMXU7KBIOIDLWWEMVRGT64 Olive

         KKK RALlIES???!?!?! ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE???!?!?!?!?!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Howard/519809788 John Howard

      It’s not hard to keep things raw, gritty, real, etc and still not SMELL a woman as she’s trying to play. There is a huge difference between friendly and even not-so-friendly shit talk and sexual harassment.

      • http://twitter.com/CGRonin Jay

        No one is excusing the creepy shit Aris was up to. The issue now is the fervor that’s come about because of what two people said while joking on stream.  I honestly think it’s a little too extreme a reaction..

  • Anonymous

    guys stop giving Kotaku stories!

  • Brandon Perry

    The point isn’t about ending a single incident it’s about acknowledging a problem that exist that needs to be dealt with.

  • Anonymous

    *starts an honest to goodness slow clap* 
    I’ve certainly stopped stopped going to local meetups before because of the creepy vibe I get. Guys, you are seriously reinforcing the stereotype of basement geeks that don’t know how to talk to girls. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Dupill/510491495 Timothy Dupill

      Yes but a lot of them ARE socially inept. You can’t change that. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Timothy-Dupill/510491495 Timothy Dupill

      Yes but a lot of them ARE socially inept. You can’t change that. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/themightyraeli Kyle Bauer

      That’s harassment on people who don’t have social skills. I’m reporting you to Kotaku: nerd police of the internet.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christopher-Rivera/100000634687388 Christopher Rivera

     same

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christopher-Rivera/100000634687388 Christopher Rivera

     same

    • http://twitter.com/BRad480 B Rad

      too bad then that the “casuals” now make up the majority of people playing online, watching streams and buying the games. 

    • http://twitter.com/Gilthwixt Patrick M

      THEY DON’T LIKE MY SHITTY SENSE OF HUMOR SO THEY’RE NOT ALLOWED TO LIKE WHAT I LIKE. SEKRET KLUB, NO WIMEN ALLOWED, AMIRITE?

    • http://twitter.com/Gilthwixt Patrick M

      THEY DON’T LIKE MY SHITTY SENSE OF HUMOR SO THEY’RE NOT ALLOWED TO LIKE WHAT I LIKE. SEKRET KLUB, NO WIMEN ALLOWED, AMIRITE?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christopher-Rivera/100000634687388 Christopher Rivera

     same

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christopher-Rivera/100000634687388 Christopher Rivera

     same

  • http://twitter.com/rnarsauce mar

    This is fucking stupid.

  • http://twitter.com/rnarsauce mar

    This is fucking stupid.

  • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

    Also, the point you mention as sexism is completely irrelevant to sexism.

    You might as well call me sexist because as a homosexual, I like to talk about hot dudes.

    • Anonymous

      Difference between talking about hot people and actively (and physically) harassing people who are physically there. Did you not see the shit that went down?

      • http://www.facebook.com/mcgrath.mic Michael McGrath

        The stuff Aris did was harassment. Marn and Christian talking about the NOS girls isn’t. That was (I believe) the point Matthew was making. And I agree with that this wouldn’t be news if it wasn’t right after the Aris incident and if Kotaku wasn’t as sensationalist as it is. That being said this is the FGC’s time to define itself to the mainstream, and their behavior doesn’t set a good example. SRK’s actions are completely understandable; they’re a business.

        • Anonymous

          Good call, my bad.

        • Anonymous

          Good call, my bad.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jacob-Swiney/100001275827762 Jacob Swiney

      You know what Matt? Real Talk. What Marn said isn’t the same as what Aris DID.

      • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

        Note that I didn’t mention what Aris did.  Nobody acted appropriately in the situation, but that’s not part of my point here.

        I’m talking about how they’re blowing up some light-hearted jokes in commentary.

  • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

    Also, the point you mention as sexism is completely irrelevant to sexism.

    You might as well call me sexist because as a homosexual, I like to talk about hot dudes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

    Also, the point you mention as sexism is completely irrelevant to sexism.

    You might as well call me sexist because as a homosexual, I like to talk about hot dudes.

  • Anonymous

    I blame Marn.

  • Anonymous

    I blame Marn.

  • Anonymous

    I blame Marn.

  • Anonymous

    eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeSPORTS.

  • Anonymous

    eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeSPORTS.

  • Anonymous

    eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeSPORTS.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BIIGLNTRVA4KNTEZTLD3FE6LHM pron

    Yo inblot you a pussy.  Nos hires hoes to dress like hoes for the sole reason of attracting horny males and you mad at nigs gettin horny?  Come at me bro based god swag #FreeJaha

    • Anonymous

      Holy shit did you graduate high school?

      • Rigo Nunez

        I don’t think he did.

      • Anonymous

        If you knew who that guy is, then you would be laughing too. :D

        • Donovan Harris

          I kinda want to know now. It’s unusual that a comment with so many likes gets flagged that much as well. 

        • Donovan Harris

          I kinda want to know now. It’s unusual that a comment with so many likes gets flagged that much as well. 

        • Donovan Harris

          I kinda want to know now. It’s unusual that a comment with so many likes gets flagged that much as well. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BIIGLNTRVA4KNTEZTLD3FE6LHM pron

    Yo inblot you a pussy.  Nos hires hoes to dress like hoes for the sole reason of attracting horny males and you mad at nigs gettin horny?  Come at me bro based god swag #FreeJaha

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BIIGLNTRVA4KNTEZTLD3FE6LHM pron

    Yo inblot you a pussy.  Nos hires hoes to dress like hoes for the sole reason of attracting horny males and you mad at nigs gettin horny?  Come at me bro based god swag #FreeJaha

  • http://twitter.com/chrisr0419 Christopher Rivera

    ever since this cross assault show things have been looking pretty bad for the FGC

  • http://twitter.com/chrisr0419 Christopher Rivera

    ever since this cross assault show things have been looking pretty bad for the FGC

  • http://twitter.com/chrisr0419 Christopher Rivera

    ever since this cross assault show things have been looking pretty bad for the FGC

  • http://twitter.com/virally Chad Anderson

    You idiots need to lighten the fuck up before professionalism outweighs entertainment

  • http://twitter.com/virally Chad Anderson

    You idiots need to lighten the fuck up before professionalism outweighs entertainment

  • http://twitter.com/virally Chad Anderson

    You idiots need to lighten the fuck up before professionalism outweighs entertainment

  • http://twitter.com/Spoony_J JR Lyles

    Would not give a single fuck.

  • http://twitter.com/Spoony_J JR Lyles

    Would not give a single fuck.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7VWKGOHE7A45J3QYUEUBOXWGAU Kyle Something

    Are you pulling sponsorship from Big 2 as well? And every major from here till evo? Because stuff said on those streams makes this stuff seem inconsequential. Because it is.

  • Anonymous

    Big deal…. So what

  • Anonymous

    Just like w/ Capcom letting Aris be a coach, WNF knew what it was getting into when it let Marn take the mic. Marn’s been talking shit since this whole thing went down. Did yall really expect it to stop when he was on stream?

    • Anonymous

      You could hope he would, because there’s a difference between saying shit to your mates and broadcasting shit to thousands of fans worldwide. When he does the latter, he makes us all look like dicks.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joshua-Rivera/100000028398579 Joshua Rivera

        Except for the fact that he’s been making fun of this scandal all over twitter.

        • Anonymous

          And that’s not cool either.

        • Anonymous

          And that’s not cool either.

        • Anonymous

          And that’s not cool either.

      • http://twitter.com/Zero_The_Shadow Zero Hikari

         It’s an internet stream not a national TV broadcast. You clearly lack perspective.

        • http://www.facebook.com/timhuynhx Tim Huynh

           it’s an internet stream with 14,000 viewers around the world. so yeah I’d say his perspective is perfectly fine, so don’t be an ass about it.

        • http://www.facebook.com/timhuynhx Tim Huynh

           it’s an internet stream with 14,000 viewers around the world. so yeah I’d say his perspective is perfectly fine, so don’t be an ass about it.

        • Anonymous

          You’re saying this internet stream didn’t have thousands of viewers from across the world? I’d love to see your figures that make your perspective so much better than mine.

  • http://twitter.com/rbtopp RBTimes

    Im sorry but fuck this. We live in America. This was just 2 friends joking on stream. There are people that want to pick the FGC apart and this infighting does not help

    • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.pendleton Douglas E Pendleton

       Dude you just don’t get it do you. Alex is protecting his brand. People don’t want to grow up. Acting ignorant is not a good look being professional does not hurt folks should try it.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DR3VQ6OP2FON53AUMQIBUKRB3Q Anonymous

        I think we need to find a balane people. If we follow this path you would have to kick off ultra david too. He made jew jokes. Everyone calm down and think. Right now that what i am going to do. To find out if I am too insentive or people being too sentive. We need find a way to be raw without being boring as glue or being being animals.

        • http://twitter.com/Monkeyto Anto Nick / アントニク

          You are right, there should be a fine balance, and raw is good. 100% agreed. 

          Sadly the highlighted comments last night was based on a serious issue, and  killed the hype to the point where they took the focus off the match being broadcasted. 

          UD and JC are the best in the fgc commentary business, and know when and where a joke is appropriate, without being complete tools. That’s their appeal.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DR3VQ6OP2FON53AUMQIBUKRB3Q Anonymous

        I think we need to find a balane people. If we follow this path you would have to kick off ultra david too. He made jew jokes. Everyone calm down and think. Right now that what i am going to do. To find out if I am too insentive or people being too sentive. We need find a way to be raw without being boring as glue or being being animals.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=202400293 Chris Broward

        How are you going to say this is “…Alex protecting his brand…” when he was on the mic at the beginning of the night saying Jebailey better bring the hottest NOS girls available or he isn’t doing his job right? Like fuckin seriously…we’re going to shit on Aris and Marn because we don’t like them, but Tio Valle we let off the hook? Get the fuck out of here.

        With that said, I really don’t care what Marn said. I’ve got a dark sense of humor myself and tend to deal with things by making jokes / light of the situation..which, is what Marn was doing. Was he going in on Miranda a little bit? Yes. Any different than what he was doing on Twitter? Nope. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6VLB2TIQ5KAOBAQBDFCJMACP6Y Chase

      Its okay if these 2 commentators are expressing their opinions upon their circle of friends and their friends know they are joking. But you and them have to realize they are speaking to thousands of people online and everyone doesn’t know these commentators personally and know their “joking”

  • http://twitter.com/DerpNini Herp Derp

    Who wouldn’t hit those NOS girls?

    • Anonymous

       I sure as hell wouldn’t.

    • Anonymous

       I sure as hell wouldn’t.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/6FVXGVDM24A2NTNCLZMCO2T3HE Maxwell

       Chris Brown would.

  • Anonymous

    wow. this is not new. This crap is only being brought to life because of the drama from cross assault. now we have boyscouts wetting their pants over some irrelevant joke on the internetz. This so called “community” is not going to burn down because of some dumb article from some garbage website(kotaku)

  • Anonymous

    streams before scenes? we’ve officially made it. It’s an e-sport now. A spectator e-sport

  • http://twitter.com/DeeGaffBro Dee Gaff

    the FGC is too real and will never sell out LOL

  • Anonymous

    If there’s anything examples like the Sonic fans have proved,
    it’s that a vocal minority can become the face of a community.
    While normally, this would indeed be just another jackass running his mouth,
    the moment he did so on a Capcom endorsed reality show, it definitely became no joking matter.

  • http://twitter.com/itskori Kori F

    First Guilty Gear and now this… Marn, why must you forsake us? :(

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Aaron-Cragher/100001764976078 Aaron Cragher

    I’m proud of this.  It’s one thing to shout out the members and say “Don’t do it again, okay?”  it’s another to actually DO something about it.  Loss of points and making it vividly clear that this is not going to stand with us (SRK, and hopefully the FGC in general) is a great way to go about it.  Good going.

    If the FGC wants to start being taken seriously this is a big step.  I’m sure we’ll be fine taking it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Aaron-Cragher/100001764976078 Aaron Cragher

      And to anyone trying to defend this behavior: Fucking really?  The scene is blowing up.  It’s not just a dozen teenagers playing in a room anymore.  It’s getting a lot of attention.  People are getting recognized, asked for autographs, sponsored, paid, countless interviews, etc.   I know you don’t speak for the whole community, but saying things that are CLEARLY wrong only hurts it.  You guys have more power than you think.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alex-Ta/1045210226 Alex Ta

    …wtf. i didnt even know about any sexual harassment in the scene. I suppose it is still pretty dumb to be directly poking fun at it, though.. As for the Doug thing; I heard it live and I thought it was funny and harmless. The chat at the time thought the same.

    • http://twitter.com/Scarmath ScarletMathematician

      I’m not sure I would use stream chat as a benchmark for social acceptability.

    • http://twitter.com/Scarmath ScarletMathematician

      I’m not sure I would use stream chat as a benchmark for social acceptability.

    • http://twitter.com/Scarmath ScarletMathematician

      I’m not sure I would use stream chat as a benchmark for social acceptability.

    • http://twitter.com/Scarmath ScarletMathematician

      I’m not sure I would use stream chat as a benchmark for social acceptability.

  • Anonymous

    Well, eSports take-over of FGC phase 1 has begun .

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Calvin-Cyr/100001091467656 Calvin Cyr

       If it means getting this bigoted bullshit off my stream, then I welcome it.

      • Anthony Seel

         Your stream?  When the fuck did you stream anything scrub?

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Calvin-Cyr/100001091467656 Calvin Cyr

           When I donate money to a stream that I enjoy, it’s my stream.

          • Anonymous

            If I pay money for sleeping with a prostitute, she is not necesarily my prostitute

          • http://twitter.com/raz0rw0rk Ramon

            She is that night.

          • Anonymous

            Wait, so you knew what your paying for when you decided to donate.

  • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

    Double also, white knighting will never get you pussy or the d’s or what have you.

    Treating people as if they aren’t from a different species will.

    • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.pendleton Douglas E Pendleton

       So if you don’t like what Aris did to that young lady is white knighting? Please if that was your sister,GF or mom you would let him slide on that? I can tell you folks don’t have kids.

      • Anonymous

        before you toss Aris into the fire, read SherryJ’s twitter. There is a lot that happened behind the scene. Aris fucked up, apologized, and then Yan did a bunch of dumb shit. It is fine to point out that Aris Fucked up, but complain about Yan’s forfeit or her match her match and then all the neutered little boys out there run out and accuse you of “blaming the victim” even though you are addressing a completely different subject. Now SRK is way over reacting to by punishing the whole WNF. 

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DR3VQ6OP2FON53AUMQIBUKRB3Q Anonymous

          ah fuck it. its done golf commentary here we come. Don’t get me wrong we can be way too insentive, but we are not going to fix anything by being super sensitive. Cause ultra David has made jew jokes before should we kick him off too. then again my comments not going change a dam thing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000281476558 Karina Kai

    Good article, but I’m so tired of hearing about this.

  • http://www.facebook.com/THTB614 Dontay Minter

    It really does piss me off to see that a serious issue is not taken seriously and that it’s making EVERYONE look bad as a whole.

    • D Major

      The serious issue being some sexually repressed guys talking about Nos models and being sarcastic about the overreaction to another sexually repressed guys behavior who was cast to be sexually repressed in the first place?

      If you identify with these sexually repressed and socially inept people then yah you look bad.  YOU.

  • http://www.facebook.com/THTB614 Dontay Minter

    It really does piss me off to see that a serious issue is not taken seriously and that it’s making EVERYONE look bad as a whole.

  • itzmE aasdfasfd

    And not a single fuck was given this day, SRK ‘s front page is just a blog.

    • Anonymous

      No shit.

  • itzmE aasdfasfd

    And not a single fuck was given this day, SRK ‘s front page is just a blog.

  • Anonymous

    Frankly, while I don’t think this represents the FGC as a whole or that the ~DRAMA~ needs to get so blown up, everyone who’s going “oh it’s just jokes” or “stop being pussies” or other such bullshit should be fucking ashamed of themselves. Grow up, guys. This isn’t about esports or anything else. This is about people being assholes and it should stop. That doesn’t mean you can’t trash talk or whatever. there’s a difference between talking trash and being an asshole.

  • Anonymous

    Frankly, while I don’t think this represents the FGC as a whole or that the ~DRAMA~ needs to get so blown up, everyone who’s going “oh it’s just jokes” or “stop being pussies” or other such bullshit should be fucking ashamed of themselves. Grow up, guys. This isn’t about esports or anything else. This is about people being assholes and it should stop. That doesn’t mean you can’t trash talk or whatever. there’s a difference between talking trash and being an asshole.

    • http://twitter.com/Spoony_J JR Lyles

      Fuck you, welcome to the internet. People say shit you don’t like, you get over it, and the world keeps turning

      • Anonymous

        Yeah, and if this was all just a message board or IRC or something, then I’d totally be behind that. But it’s not. These are real life community gatherings where real people are gathering together to play games, and people should not be treated like that. “It’s just the internet” doesn’t fly when you stop being on the internet, dude.

        So, sir, fuck you too. I hope you find your way into the real world sometime soon.

        • http://twitter.com/Spoony_J JR Lyles

          Nobody’s getting raped at tourneys. The real world’s not a nice place, people don’t always get a long. That’s the fuckin real world.

          • http://twitter.com/a6_Productions Tyvon J. Thomas

            ah yes, the classic “well, not everybody is nice, so why should we start being nice” excuse.

            way to hold back both the FGC and the human race from improving, sparky!

          • http://twitter.com/Spoony_J JR Lyles

            Ah yes, the self-important condescending remark without any sort of substance behind it. You’re different from the rest of the internet!

      • Anonymous

        There’s a very big difference between some moron saying some anonymous bullshit over the Internet and a live stream that stands to represent an entire community of people. There’s nothing I can do about assholes who like to spout shit on Internet forums, but people do have power over who is going to be the public face of a community.

        • http://twitter.com/Spoony_J JR Lyles

          I get that, and if it was ESPN, ABC, or some other network I’d agree with you. People are blowing this way out of proportion. Nigga who said that shit on Capcom’s show? He fucked up. But these tourneys and the commentators, that’s real.

          I’ve played fps’ competitively, so I’ve seen a more “mature” community. I’ve been a part of the whole business side. The sponsors, the professional commentators (dj wheat is tight). Now that I’m busier with work, I can’t be competitive in fps’ anymore. But fighting games I can play, I don’t have to practice all day everyday to be decent. They’ve always had that edge to it, coming from the arcades, being so personal. That’s where all the hype comes from. Trying to put a muzzle on that just sort of takes away the fun of it.

          • Anonymous

            If this is the deciding factor between these games being fun or not then people really need to get their priorities straight. Nobody is saying that all the commentators should be replaced with straight-laced business men or something, however when you’re representing a community there is absolutely a point that goes too far. 

            I simply don’t want any community I have vested interest in to be represented by people who refuse to accept that there is a limit to what is acceptable.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, what happened to “we won’t sell out” “we won’t change who we are”?
    The funny part is that everyone is pretending to be something they aren’t. Just because some mainstream idiots realized the FGC isn’t PG stuff, we shouldn’t change what this community (or what’s left of it) stands for.
    If I had any plans to go to EVO I certainly don’t have them anymore.

    • Anonymous

      Why are bigoted comments “who we are”? The only change being proposed here is getting rid of prejudiced, hateful abuse and you think that’s changing “who we are”? If that was the most important thing to you about this community I suggest you go find a hate campaign to join. What the rest of us like about the FGC is how it’s an actual community where people look out for each other.

    • Anonymous

      Cool, so apparently we’re a bunch of insensitive sexist, racist fuckheads? Oh wait, no we aren’t! And we never were, and we’re trying to distance ourselves from that.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, what happened to “we won’t sell out” “we won’t change who we are”?
    The funny part is that everyone is pretending to be something they aren’t. Just because some mainstream idiots realized the FGC isn’t PG stuff, we shouldn’t change what this community (or what’s left of it) stands for.
    If I had any plans to go to EVO I certainly don’t have them anymore.

  • Anonymous

    Esports vs Fun! battle for FGC!

  • Anonymous

    In other news: all east coast streams are banned for offensive commentary. Chris Hu is banned for life for making racist comments about Sanford and others. Henry Cen is banned for racist comments and SRK pulls EVO points from Big 2. FGTV is shut down and FChamp is banned for repeated homophobic and racist slurs. All stream monsters are banned for life. Yipes is retroactively banned for racist, sexist, homophobic slurs used during MVC2 days, along with all other east coast MVC2 players. Everybody who’s ever been to an arcade is now banned from the FGC for indirectly supporting environments that promoted sexism and racism. 

    This year’s EVO will see Noah win all major titles, as he was the only one allowed to compete.

    • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

      Don’t forget to expect EVO to take their golden sticks back from offenders.

    • D Major

       ^THIS.  Capcom is banned for making a racially insensitive fight games that perpetuate stereotypes. SRK is banned for posting NSFW videos that glorify crotch shots and misogny. Hakan, Zangief, Makoto, Cammy, Vega, Juri are banned for sexually inappropriate moves or gestures in game.

      • Anonymous

        Bravo, dear boy. Bravo.

    • Default 1 -

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      This

    • Anonymous

      Cool. Overreact much?

      • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

        That’s what I say to this whole situation.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/IML2FSEZQ2HHYVZJV5Y3FDSHDA j

      lol i was watching Australian X-factor with my GF the other day…. (the horrible talent show), and the female judges were constantly objectifying the male contestants, “let us see your abs” etc lol. even said it to a 16 year old guy……. (scary spice is a judge on the show).

      so yea, not a big deal about people joking around

      but the aris miranda thing was bad, if she asked him to stop and he didn’t. and just the way he was doing it to her face, creepy and really rude…. 

      but chris hu, yipes…. they are great, ive seen them commentate with females, and their jokes are funny and light hearted….

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/IML2FSEZQ2HHYVZJV5Y3FDSHDA j

      lol i was watching Australian X-factor with my GF the other day…. (the horrible talent show), and the female judges were constantly objectifying the male contestants, “let us see your abs” etc lol. even said it to a 16 year old guy……. (scary spice is a judge on the show).

      so yea, not a big deal about people joking around

      but the aris miranda thing was bad, if she asked him to stop and he didn’t. and just the way he was doing it to her face, creepy and really rude…. 

      but chris hu, yipes…. they are great, ive seen them commentate with females, and their jokes are funny and light hearted….

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DR3VQ6OP2FON53AUMQIBUKRB3Q Anonymous

        that pissed me off too. If they didn’t find them attractive NOS was doing something wrong.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/IML2FSEZQ2HHYVZJV5Y3FDSHDA j

      lol i was watching Australian X-factor with my GF the other day…. (the horrible talent show), and the female judges were constantly objectifying the male contestants, “let us see your abs” etc lol. even said it to a 16 year old guy……. (scary spice is a judge on the show).

      so yea, not a big deal about people joking around

      but the aris miranda thing was bad, if she asked him to stop and he didn’t. and just the way he was doing it to her face, creepy and really rude…. 

      but chris hu, yipes…. they are great, ive seen them commentate with females, and their jokes are funny and light hearted….

  • http://www.facebook.com/drunkmonkeys Casey Collings

    Thumbs Up SRK. Time to change the scene for the better. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=745579039 Justt Bruce

      I’m glad the scene is making the effort to change for the better. 

    • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

      “Thumbs up, SRK, Time to change the scene for the better, to make that eSports money.”*

      Fixed.

    • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

      “Thumbs up, SRK, Time to change the scene for the better, to make that eSports money.”*

      Fixed.

      • Electrium

        lol you think this is about money? This is about treating human beings like human beings. This isn’t about changing who you are, or what fighting games are all about. This isn’t as difficult or as big of a deal as some stubborn gamers are making it out to be.
        Even if it was about money, since when has ethics EVER resulted in money? Look around at the biggest publishers in the games industry (hell, any industry) and try giving me that argument again with a straight face.

        This is about fighting gamers, period. More friends, more competition, more intensity on the scene. I don’t get what’s so disagreeable about that.

        • http://www.facebook.com/drunkmonkeys Casey Collings

          Reading over Jeremy’s comments in this thread a thought comes to mind: Don’t feed the troll.

          • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

             How about you go back to Kotaku? And if I’m a troll, why is that people seem to overwhelming agree with me?

          • http://www.facebook.com/drunkmonkeys Casey Collings

            Why do you have to edit every post you make? I’ll go back to Kotaku if you promise to crawl back into the deep dark hole you crawled out from.

          • http://www.facebook.com/drunkmonkeys Casey Collings

            Why do you have to edit every post you make? I’ll go back to Kotaku if you promise to crawl back into the deep dark hole you crawled out from.

          • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

             How about you go back to Kotaku? And if I’m a troll, why is that people seem to overwhelming agree with me?

        • http://www.facebook.com/drunkmonkeys Casey Collings

          Reading over Jeremy’s comments in this thread a thought comes to mind: Don’t feed the troll.

        • http://www.facebook.com/drunkmonkeys Casey Collings

          Reading over Jeremy’s comments in this thread a thought comes to mind: Don’t feed the troll.

      • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.pendleton Douglas E Pendleton

         Yes get that Esports money. Fuck being broke and cool. I swear.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/James-Finch/100000890500613 James Finch

         Hurtful Butt: Time To Take A Good Look In The Wallet

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/James-Finch/100000890500613 James Finch

         hurtful butt: time to take a good look in the wallet

  • http://twitter.com/Th3shooter Th3shooter

    fuck srk next time y’all need donations go ask EVO don’t ask us fans i’ll never give the FGC another cent of my money

    • Anonymous

      Because it doesn’t stand up for sexist bigots? Ok, didn’t realise SRK was just a bigot support group to you, and that without the prejudiced hate speech it has no value to you.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Graham-Shryock/49110487 Graham Shryock

      And they’ll do just fine without it. Thanks anyway.

      • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

        See all the likes he has? People don’t agree with you.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Graham-Shryock/49110487 Graham Shryock

          All 5 of them? Yeah, good point. I retract my statement.

          I guess that $20 pooled from all of them could pay for…one of the commentator’s lunch or something. Sorry Ultra Chen, you guys will have to go hungry at EVO this year.

          • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

             Mine had about 13 until someone decided that censorship is moral and decided to flag my opinion which is what this comment section is supposed to be used for. Who cares about Ultrachen? Chris Hu and Aquasilk are the best commentators in the scene.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Graham-Shryock/49110487 Graham Shryock

            Hey, I’m agreeing with you. But 13 you say? Damn, that’s 2.6 times bigger than 5! That’s like…$50!

            Guess we’ll have to find somewhere other than Caeser’s to play this year…damn…I loved that buffet.

        • Anonymous

          Oh yeah. Because fives likes is totally indicative of the larger opinion of the FGC. What are you, in grade school? Do you have any concept of the things that exist outside of your immediate vision?

          • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

             Are you a woman? You must be.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Graham-Shryock/49110487 Graham Shryock

            What an excellent counterpoint.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Graham-Shryock/49110487 Graham Shryock

            What an excellent counterpoint.

          • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

             Are you a woman? You must be.

  • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

    Inkblot, you need to retract this article. Why? Because your opinions do not reflect the opinions of the fighting game community and since I don’t agree with you I feel the need to apologize on behalf of you and SRK to the rest of the community who possess functioning brains and functioning nutsacks.

    Seriously though. What is this shit becoming? Fucking pussies. Nothing ETR, Marn or fLoE said was a big deal–you’re seriously bending over and licking the balls of a garbage gaming blog who know one besides their viewers respects. 

    Oh and to that bitch Miranda who started all of this? Fuck you.

    • http://twitter.com/itskori Kori F

      Marn’s opinion has never mattered, I don’t know why people keep thinking it does now.

      • Anonymous

        His opinion mattering is irrelevant. It’s that things like that were said at all on a public, professional stream.

    • Anonymous

      you can’t possibly be serious.

    • http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio

      He represents EVO and SRK, which could face serious consequences from all the bad press.

      And that’s leaving the obvious moral issue aside.

      • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

        There is nothing immoral about making jokes with friends; had this event not occurred we all would’ve been laughing at what Marn and ETR were saying. Had it not blown up, we would still be laughing at Aris’ antics. Grow the fuck up and stand up for yourself. I’m the most liberal motherfucker on this planet, but at some point you have to draw a line. And I’ve drawn mine. Hopefully, the rest of the FGC hits puberty too and stops letting big organizations push us around.

        I’m horrible at these games, I play for the love of it. Not for money. I watch streams to be entertained by people who I can relate to and because I enjoy watching high-level play. I like the grittiness of the scene and the day it stops being what it is is the day I leave. When it comes to eSports, just say no.

        • http://twitter.com/onReload onReload

          His point is that it isn’t “making jokes with friends,” it’s on stream for everyone to see. So, we gotta learn what appropriate context looks like.

          • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

            I found it fucking hilarious and judging by how many likes my original post has gotten so far, I’d assume others did too. And guess what? I’m not ashamed of it. I tuned in to be entertained–I was thoroughly entertained laughing at people who make big deals out of stupidest things cause it hurt someone’s precious feewings. Boo-fucking-hoo.

            We’re the FIGHTING game scene. Not the “hug it out scene.”

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Graham-Shryock/49110487 Graham Shryock

            That’s fine. Be the fighting game scene. If you want to act like “dudes joking around”, you’re going to get the attention and exposure that “dudes joking around” do. The rest of us are trying to be professional and have no problem saying, “We don’t associate with them.”

            This kind of behavior sets us all back when we’re trying to get more attention, sponsors, and exposure in main stream. If you don’t like that, then I guess you hate change and that’s fine, too.

          • Anonymous

            By that logic, we might as well just throw the whole “game” part of it out and start a fight club. Jesus.

          • http://twitter.com/a6_Productions Tyvon J. Thomas

            hahahahaha you actually think that you are representative of the entire FGC. you unironically think that. that is hilarious. you are a joke, sir.

            it’s great that you were entertained. a large portion of people were not, and your “20 likes” is not indicative of the entire FGC. Think Before You Generalize Your Own Fucking Community, Thanks

          • http://twitter.com/a6_Productions Tyvon J. Thomas

            hahahahaha you actually think that you are representative of the entire FGC. you unironically think that. that is hilarious. you are a joke, sir.

            it’s great that you were entertained. a large portion of people were not, and your “20 likes” is not indicative of the entire FGC. Think Before You Generalize Your Own Fucking Community, Thanks

          • http://twitter.com/a6_Productions Tyvon J. Thomas

            hahahahaha you actually think that you are representative of the entire FGC. you unironically think that. that is hilarious. you are a joke, sir.

            it’s great that you were entertained. a large portion of people were not, and your “20 likes” is not indicative of the entire FGC. Think Before You Generalize Your Own Fucking Community, Thanks

          • http://twitter.com/a6_Productions Tyvon J. Thomas

            hahahahaha you actually think that you are representative of the entire FGC. you unironically think that. that is hilarious. you are a joke, sir.

            it’s great that you were entertained. a large portion of people were not, and your “20 likes” is not indicative of the entire FGC. Think Before You Generalize Your Own Fucking Community, Thanks

          • http://twitter.com/a6_Productions Tyvon J. Thomas

            hahahahaha you actually think that you are representative of the entire FGC. you unironically think that. that is hilarious. you are a joke, sir.

            it’s great that you were entertained. a large portion of people were not, and your “20 likes” is not indicative of the entire FGC. Think Before You Generalize Your Own Fucking Community, Thanks

        • Fenaris

          If you want to make jokes with friends about it, make jokes with your friends, not on a live stream with 14k people and audio/video archiving.  First stage is to corral the idiots with no self control and keep them off the streams.  

          If they want to be lecherous idiots in their free time among friends, more power to them.  If they want to be lecherous idiots on stream, they should expect to pay the price for it.

          • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

            Who let these people in?

          • http://www.facebook.com/keishenra Kyle D. Johnson

            Oh, you mean the rational people who just stopped trying until now because they were sick of your shit? Always been here, brosef.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1412454590 Emmet Allen

          The views Jeremy posses are similar to mine. I play and watch for the entertainment, this whole “Being More Professional” in the FGC community will take away what drew me into what I loved about it. Sure I love watching high-level play, but I need (and so do other people) the grit that made me watch streams and enjoy the players (Marn being included) that made me love Fighting games and the community even more.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1412454590 Emmet Allen

          The views Jeremy posses are similar to mine. I play and watch for the entertainment, this whole “Being More Professional” in the FGC community will take away what drew me into what I loved about it. Sure I love watching high-level play, but I need (and so do other people) the grit that made me watch streams and enjoy the players (Marn being included) that made me love Fighting games and the community even more.

          • http://www.facebook.com/drunkmonkeys Casey Collings

             You can still have the grit without being a sexist asshole. The two are not mutually exclusive…..

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1412454590 Emmet Allen

            True, there is no reason to be a sexist asshole, but I don’t want Esports splitting the FGC.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1412454590 Emmet Allen

            True, there is no reason to be a sexist asshole, but I don’t want Esports splitting the FGC.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DR3VQ6OP2FON53AUMQIBUKRB3Q Anonymous

            i am worried that one extream will just ger replaced by another. Like the who NOS girl thing. They had them dress that to cause those very thoughts. What aris did was wrong but this bit over reaction to marn comments.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DR3VQ6OP2FON53AUMQIBUKRB3Q Anonymous

            i am worried that one extream will just ger replaced by another. Like the who NOS girl thing. They had them dress that to cause those very thoughts. What aris did was wrong but this bit over reaction to marn comments.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DR3VQ6OP2FON53AUMQIBUKRB3Q Anonymous

            i am worried that one extream will just ger replaced by another. Like the who NOS girl thing. They had them dress that to cause those very thoughts. What aris did was wrong but this bit over reaction to marn comments.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DR3VQ6OP2FON53AUMQIBUKRB3Q Anonymous

            i am worried that one extream will just ger replaced by another. Like the who NOS girl thing. They had them dress that to cause those very thoughts. What aris did was wrong but this bit over reaction to marn comments.

      • http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio

        YOU would have been laughing maybe.

        (sorry for the slow response, threading on these posts is awful and I didn’t see it till just now)

        The problem is no adult should treat another adult that way.  If you can ‘relate to’ this kind of thing, I feel sorry for your wife.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=769835536 Stuart Hayden

        Marn has NEVER represented SRK or EVO. 

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Calvin-Cyr/100001091467656 Calvin Cyr

          When you get on the mic at a stream sponsored by SRK and EVO, that is who you are representing, whether you like it or not.

          • Donovan Harris

            There is a statement that all companies seem to copy and paste during times like these, “The statements made by person X, do not necessarily represent the views of Company Y.” This principle doesn’t just disappear when somebody like Marn comes along when says something you don’t like. I think this should be implied when a guest (or not an employee of company Y) is asked to speak. I don’t particularly care for Marn either, but..come on man.

    • Anonymous

      Wow. Way to be one of the irredeemable assholes that’s making the FGC look bad at the moment. I hope you’re proud of yourself.

      • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

         I’m proud.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Calvin-Cyr/100001091467656 Calvin Cyr

          Leave.  Leave, and never come back.

          • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

            Except the majority agrees with me, not you.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Wilson/534492200 David Wilson

            the amount of “likes” you have compared to others would disagree with you sir.

            (and seriously who the fuck counts “likes”? like those people on facebook who have 500+ friends and claim they pay attention to all of them.)

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Wilson/534492200 David Wilson

            the amount of “likes” you have compared to others would disagree with you sir.

            (and seriously who the fuck counts “likes”? like those people on facebook who have 500+ friends and claim they pay attention to all of them.)

          • http://www.facebook.com/drunkmonkeys Casey Collings

             He’s currently logging onto all his troll accounts so he can like all the stupid crap he’s spewing.

          • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

            Except the majority agrees with me, not you.

    • http://twitter.com/BRad480 B Rad

      You are obviously too young or to immature or both to understand why this is an issue

    • http://www.facebook.com/EzetaS Steve Ezeta

       ”NO ITS NOT MARNS FAULT IT ISN’T A BIG DEAL. THIS ISN’T A BIG DEAL ANYWAY

      BUT ITS MIRANDAS FAULT. BLAME HEEEEEEEEERRR”

      • Anonymous

        IF SHE DIDN’T WANT TO BE HARASSED SHE SHOULDN’T HAVE BEEN FEMALE

        • Anonymous

          Obviously. Well said sir.

    • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.pendleton Douglas E Pendleton

       You are an Idiot. Blame the victim way to go. I hope you are not breeding.

  • Anonymous

    How does this do more harm than good? How do we need to stop being pussies? This kind of behavior is unacceptable, period. If the scene is going to grow up and move on to bigger and better things, this has to be addressed, and it has to be stopped. This has nothing to do with esports, it has to do with people treating other people as decent human beings. We’re no longer in the arcades, like it or not, the FGC is global, and has been for a long while. It’s time to start acting like it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

      The first step to doing this is to stop acting like people need special treatment based on race, gender, sexuality, etc..  How about we let women stand on equal ground instead of coddling them like they’re little baby toys?

      • Anonymous

        This isn’t coddling, this is treating people with respect.

        • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

          All I see is people sticking up for a demographic of what might as well be all random strangers because they assume that they’re too weak to stand up with their own point.

          Everyone can get offended by something, and everyone can find something to be a good joke.  I find it really obnoxious when people assume shit and draw the lines for others like it’s some kind of absolute.

      • Anonymous

        So, you make sexual remarks to all your other buddies at casuals and tournaments, oogle them and talk about them in that kind of disrespectful manner?

        No?

        Well. There you go. Let’s put people on equal ground by treating them like we do everyone else – like decent fucking human beings.

      • Anonymous

        So, you make sexual remarks to all your other buddies at casuals and tournaments, oogle them and talk about them in that kind of disrespectful manner?

        No?

        Well. There you go. Let’s put people on equal ground by treating them like we do everyone else – like decent fucking human beings.

        • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

          Yes some of my friends and I make ironic sexual jokes, touch each other’s nipples, and sack tap each other because it’s funny.

          I’m pretty sure we’re still treating each other like decent human beings

          • Anonymous

             just think for a moment about how well you know the people you are doing that with… and then ask yourself if it would be ok to act that way to anyone you weren’t fairly close with.

            I hear you on the rough housing and joking, i grew up with 2 brothers, i played sports i was in the locker rooms and it’s fun to joke around with your friends like that. But you gotta understand that there is a time and a place for that stuff.

          • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

            Well yeah, me being close to them is kind of the point of my argument.

            I simply stated that I joke around with my buddies and shit and that they know what is a joke.

      • Anonymous

        You sound totally oblivious to the realities of our society.

        • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

          If I’m not in reality, then how about we stop all of this idealist controversy and get back down to earth?

          I’m done with this shit, I want to get back to what matters in this community.

        • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

          If I’m not in reality, then how about we stop all of this idealist controversy and get back down to earth?

          I’m done with this shit, I want to get back to what matters in this community.

    • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

       Fuck off..

      • Anonymous

        cool argument, would read again

        • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

          My argument is up there. Sell-outs like you don’t get individual refutations, because you don’t deserve one.

          • Anonymous

            Sell-out? C’mon, son

          • Anonymous

            Sell-out? C’mon, son

          • Anonymous

            And your argument is to blame the victim? What’s next? You’re going to say she was asking for it? How is bringing some much-needed maturity to this scene a bad thing? If cro-magnon manchildren like you quit the scene because of it, good riddance, don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out.

          • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

            There was no victim, cocksucker. By the way, if people who actually have personalities leave the scene. It dies Maybe it should.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alex-Ta/1045210226 Alex Ta

        …Jeremy, you need to mature up. We all in the FGC can all have fun and act whatever still, but theres a point, morally and legally, where we cant cross the line. I personally make offensive jokes all the time. but if me or my buddies are in an area or spotlight where it would be bad to do so, then we’re smart enough to watch what we spew out.

        • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

           Amazing. So you’re saying you censor yourself to spare others’ feelings?

          • http://twitter.com/a6_Productions Tyvon J. Thomas

            there is a difference between “censorship” and “having some fucking manners and a semblance of tact.” you obviously lack both and i’m very sorry that you don’t know how to act in public

          • http://twitter.com/a6_Productions Tyvon J. Thomas

            there is a difference between “censorship” and “having some fucking manners and a semblance of tact.” you obviously lack both and i’m very sorry that you don’t know how to act in public

          • http://twitter.com/a6_Productions Tyvon J. Thomas

            there is a difference between “censorship” and “having some fucking manners and a semblance of tact.” you obviously lack both and i’m very sorry that you don’t know how to act in public

          • http://twitter.com/a6_Productions Tyvon J. Thomas

            there is a difference between “censorship” and “having some fucking manners and a semblance of tact.” you obviously lack both and i’m very sorry that you don’t know how to act in public

          • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

            That must be why I have so many friends and people who care for me and just recently helped one of my family members out for no other reason than because they cared for me.

            Stay free. Asshole.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Calvin-Cyr/100001091467656 Calvin Cyr

             Common sense.  Learn it.

          • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

            Irony.

          • Anonymous

             yes, this is like the most obvious and, more importantly, rational thing to do.

            example: i’m a white person who will on occasion tell a black joke or 2, however i’m not stupid enough to start spewing those jokes in downtown oakland around a bunch of strangers because they might not take it as such a joke.

            context yo, it’s a huge part of growing up and being an adult.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BIIGLNTRVA4KNTEZTLD3FE6LHM pron

    FGC = mainstream news now.  We act all legit then the second a drugged out whore celeb dies we all talk and act like we care forever.  Miranda can suk mah testikleeeez.  FGC goin soft based god swag.

    • http://twitter.com/Spoony_J JR Lyles

      I agree with everything this man says

  • Matt Jett

    I think pulling sponsorships because Marn is an idiot is a little excessive, but you gotta do what you gotta do to show that this stuff isn’t right.

    • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.pendleton Douglas E Pendleton

       But it can happen and it happens a lot in the real world.

  • Anonymous

    Something tells me Capcom had this planned from the beginning of Cross Assualt. Tear apart the community because everyone was shitting on SF x Tekken and UMvC3….well played Capcom.

    #Justasplanned #FreeAizen

    • Electrium

      And the White House planned 9/11, and we never landed on the moon, and Facebook is free out of the goodness of their hearts…

      • Anonymous

        Is that 3rd one a conspiracy?

    • Anonymous

      so that’s what aizen has been planning since being locked up? the destruction of the FGC… we don’t stand a chance

  • http://twitter.com/rikc Rick J

    Thank you so much for writing this.  If fighting game players want to pretend to be celebrities they need to learn that they’re going to be held responsible for their (sexist bullshit) actions.  This past week left me sick to my stomach with the way the FGC chose to respond to all the controversy, I’m glad to see prominent outlets are finally speaking up for what’s right.

    News you can use, fellas:  If you think everyone’s making too big of a deal out of this, you’re probably one of the people who should be re-evaluating the way you treat other people.  The fighting game community has been a hostile (yes, hostile) place for women, homosexuals and transgendered people long before any of this stuff blew up.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DR3VQ6OP2FON53AUMQIBUKRB3Q Anonymous

      GOLF COMMENTARY HERE WE COME! Just kidding. I think everyone needs to calm down. Right now we need find out how we can be real and not LOL or starcraft commentary but be repectfull within bounds of reason. I think Yipes might provide that model for us cause when he was his funniest he wasn’t sexist or racist.
      Think we need to calm down and find the balance.

      So to the hard core guys maybe we should be not so insentive, and to other side we should not look for things to be outragged over.

      As for recent recording I am not sure where I stand on this. Are people over reacting or have I grown such thick skin that I should be more conserned what was said in the clip. Right now I don’t know. So i am going think about it. I think most of us including kotaku need to do the same.

  • Anonymous

    Good stance, inkblot. American FGC will learn that you can have fun without sexual harassment and offensive jokes just like the other communities world wide.

  • Anonymous

    And so we climb up that ever so slippery slope.

    • Anonymous

      climb up a slippery slope? really?

      • Anonymous

        HAHAHA

  • Anonymous

    Pretty sure a lot of people didn’t read the article.

  • Anonymous

    Pretty sure a lot of people didn’t read the article.

  • Anonymous

    WHAT THE FUCK?

    Marn should never, NEVER have to release a FUCKING STATEMENT regarding his behavior on a fucking fighting game stream. Man the fuck up you fucking pussies.

  • Anonymous

    WHAT THE FUCK?

    Marn should never, NEVER have to release a FUCKING STATEMENT regarding his behavior on a fucking fighting game stream. Man the fuck up you fucking pussies.

  • http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio

    Not usually one of Inkblot’s big fans, but massive kudos for seriously putting your foot down on this issue.

    • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

       Will you all stop bending over and pretending that you agree with this garbage?

      • http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio

        Huh? 

        • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

          Honestly man, there is no way you actually believe that.

          • http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio

            I was complaining earlier about them whitewashing the whole thing in the ‘this is what we really are’ post.

            I honestly assumed that the SRK guys would side with the “OGs” and deny the problem, and so was honestly pleasantly surprised at their professionalism in this.

          • http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio

            I was complaining earlier about them whitewashing the whole thing in the ‘this is what we really are’ post.

            I honestly assumed that the SRK guys would side with the “OGs” and deny the problem, and so was honestly pleasantly surprised at their professionalism in this.

          • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

            Really? Professional? You don’t’ even care about the scene do you?

          • http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio

            I care about the games and the players.

            I don’t care much about the ‘community heads’ whose primary concern are to fit in or be local celebrities.

            Believe it or not, people being assholes to women hurts the community rather than helping it.

        • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

          Honestly man, there is no way you actually believe that.

        • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

          Honestly man, there is no way you actually believe that.

      • http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio

        Huh? 

      • http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio

        Huh? 

      • Anonymous

        Pretend? God forbid some people actually have some sense of civility.

        • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

           Civilty? So now we can’t just make the jokes we’ve always made? Seriously. I don’t believe you’re actually someone who plays these games. You’re someone from Kotaku, right? I hope so.

          • Anonymous

            No, I’ve been playing fighting games for years and have attended several events over the years in my area, thanks. Just because I have an opinion that people should be treated properly doesn’t mean I don’t play fighting games, and that kind of mentality is exactly what’s wrong with this community.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Calvin-Cyr/100001091467656 Calvin Cyr

        No.  Stop being resistant to change just because it’s change.  Take a good look at yourself, and realize that there’s a difference between making racist/sexist jokes with your friends, and making these jokes in front of the entire internet.  However, none of this will change the fact that we can still be loud, rambunctious, and hype.  If that’s what you’re afraid of, then there’s no need to be.

  • Nick Walker

    Am I missing something here? Sure the comments weren’t appropriate but this whole situation has just turned to the other of extreme of over sensitivity. 

    Sure a commentator or someone speaking in public at these types of events should know what is and isn’t appropriate, and in this case the line was crossed. In much the same way that now is the time to look at ourselves, so should the people with authority to make sure that the way they deal with it is the correct way, pulling support for WNF and the seed points is way over the top considering that it was guest commentators at a live event. Deal with them individually and don’t take a sledgehammer to walnut, it’s not the way forward.

    I’d hate to see a point where such distancing action is taken over something two individuals did. I’d hate to see a situation where commentators are given guidelines over what they can and can’t say. At this point it wouldn’t surprise me if there was a 2s delay on all live feeds now with a censor button if someone spoke something out of line because there was such a fear of offending someone.

    A big point of the FGC in my opinion is that it’s pretty raw and emotional and this type of reaction to these events could lead to all sorts of unnecessary restrictions being placed on all sorts of avenues of community interaction just to stay on the safe side. 

    One of the biggest resistances for the FGC to move forward, is that a lot of people don’t want it to become too commercial or in the pockets of companies that aren’t a part of the FGC, but a part of a company wanting to make money. You have to think, if this type of thing right here is leading in the right way or the wrong way.

  • Nick Walker

    Am I missing something here? Sure the comments weren’t appropriate but this whole situation has just turned to the other of extreme of over sensitivity. 

    Sure a commentator or someone speaking in public at these types of events should know what is and isn’t appropriate, and in this case the line was crossed. In much the same way that now is the time to look at ourselves, so should the people with authority to make sure that the way they deal with it is the correct way, pulling support for WNF and the seed points is way over the top considering that it was guest commentators at a live event. Deal with them individually and don’t take a sledgehammer to walnut, it’s not the way forward.

    I’d hate to see a point where such distancing action is taken over something two individuals did. I’d hate to see a situation where commentators are given guidelines over what they can and can’t say. At this point it wouldn’t surprise me if there was a 2s delay on all live feeds now with a censor button if someone spoke something out of line because there was such a fear of offending someone.

    A big point of the FGC in my opinion is that it’s pretty raw and emotional and this type of reaction to these events could lead to all sorts of unnecessary restrictions being placed on all sorts of avenues of community interaction just to stay on the safe side. 

    One of the biggest resistances for the FGC to move forward, is that a lot of people don’t want it to become too commercial or in the pockets of companies that aren’t a part of the FGC, but a part of a company wanting to make money. You have to think, if this type of thing right here is leading in the right way or the wrong way.

  • Nick Walker

    Am I missing something here? Sure the comments weren’t appropriate but this whole situation has just turned to the other of extreme of over sensitivity. 

    Sure a commentator or someone speaking in public at these types of events should know what is and isn’t appropriate, and in this case the line was crossed. In much the same way that now is the time to look at ourselves, so should the people with authority to make sure that the way they deal with it is the correct way, pulling support for WNF and the seed points is way over the top considering that it was guest commentators at a live event. Deal with them individually and don’t take a sledgehammer to walnut, it’s not the way forward.

    I’d hate to see a point where such distancing action is taken over something two individuals did. I’d hate to see a situation where commentators are given guidelines over what they can and can’t say. At this point it wouldn’t surprise me if there was a 2s delay on all live feeds now with a censor button if someone spoke something out of line because there was such a fear of offending someone.

    A big point of the FGC in my opinion is that it’s pretty raw and emotional and this type of reaction to these events could lead to all sorts of unnecessary restrictions being placed on all sorts of avenues of community interaction just to stay on the safe side. 

    One of the biggest resistances for the FGC to move forward, is that a lot of people don’t want it to become too commercial or in the pockets of companies that aren’t a part of the FGC, but a part of a company wanting to make money. You have to think, if this type of thing right here is leading in the right way or the wrong way.

    • Anonymous

      I love WNF and the other big streamers but something like this was bound to happen.  The stream owner is responsible for everything that is shown even if it was just a guest.  

      You’re being too naive about the commercial interests of people in and out of the FGC.  Everyone wants money.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anthony-Edward-Beanes/1625707284 Anthony Edward Beanes

    This entire issue is getting blown way out proportion, people are so paranoid now to commentate that anything they say will make them think that they are bad people because of a few people in the FGC making us sound like we sexist assholes. I will agree, that sexual harassment is something to  not joke around nor is it something to really talk about, but its making people feel like now we everything we do towards women will be heavily judged by the outside world looking down on the FGC. People just needs to relax and go on about their business. I wont be surprised if this keeps up the FGC will be a feminist group

    • Anonymous

      sexual harassment isn’t something we should talk about?… I’m at a loss for words.

      • Anonymous

        I think he meant to talk about negatively.

      • Anonymous

        I think he meant to talk about negatively.

    • Anonymous

      sexual harassment isn’t something we should talk about?… I’m at a loss for words.

  • http://twitter.com/NPMafiaSanta NPMafia Santa

    Wait so you’re punishing an entire group of players over what 2 guys said on a mic? Fucking idiots.

    • Anonymous

      Yep!  Bullshit I say!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1060109302 Kevin Geoffroy

    SRK just dropped the fucking bomb on this behavior issue.

  • http://www.facebook.com/traeshawn.turner Traeshawn Turner

    R.I.P. FGC 

  • http://www.facebook.com/traeshawn.turner Traeshawn Turner

    R.I.P. FGC 

  • http://www.facebook.com/traeshawn.turner Traeshawn Turner

    R.I.P. FGC 

  • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.pendleton Douglas E Pendleton

    Good job on level ups part. You have to protect your brand,folks don’t seem to understand that bad business can hurt you.

    • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

      Look at this guy, ladies and gentleman. Is this who you want to become? Is this what fighting game players have been circumvented to?

      • Anonymous

        maybe you should look up how to properly use the world “circumvent” before you start trying to act smart.

      • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.pendleton Douglas E Pendleton

         Dude it is a business like it or not. Why should Alex’s brand be messed up and possibly lose sponsors because a couple of people want to be funny men.

        • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

          It’s not a business. It’s a game. That mentality is exactly the problem.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Calvin-Cyr/100001091467656 Calvin Cyr

            Sorry, but games can be, and are, business.  People make lots of money over baseball, football, and basketball, right?  The same thing is happening here.  Valle has every right to make money off of his stream, and those who threaten his business, directly, or indirectly, need to be dealt with.

          • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.pendleton Douglas E Pendleton

             It become a business once you start streaming it and are getting sponsorships for it. Folks trying to be cool for the sake of being cool.

      • Anonymous

        I’m usually in agreement with you, but Pendleton has it right in my opinion here.  Alex Valle had to do it so he can still make a living in the future.  It’s fucked up that SRK and Evo pulled sponsorships for a ROUGE INCIDENT.  They could have sent just a big of a message to Marn and the other dude by banning them from coming to Evo or any Evo sponsored event.

  • http://twitter.com/DeeGaffBro Dee Gaff

    LIJoe was right, eventually the FGC is gonna have to bend down and suck the cock of the esports/gaming news establishments, and inkblot was the first one to open wide.

    • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.pendleton Douglas E Pendleton

       LI Joe is a moron if he made that statement. Grow up.

  • http://www.facebook.com/josepht.medina Joey T Medina

    Enough is enough.

    Pop offs are great, smack talk is fine, it’s all expected. Cut to the players for that though. Just keep it OFF THE MICS. It hurts me that people who actually care about this scene are just laying down and wanting our scene to continue taking blows from the press. 

    This will just be a little silly hobby until we all die unless we decide to change something. 
    Stop joking about eSpoROorts, this is not eSports, it’s OUR community. And there NEEDS to be a change.

    Don’t think for second that their isnt at least 1 girl/gay/minority on the stream shaking their head at some of the stuff said on the mic sometimes. Keep it off stream. It’s not that hard. WNF is on the Road To Evo. Treat it like it was a major and keep the BS off the mic.

    • Thomas K.

       Enough is enough!

      I’ve had it with this motherfucking creeps on this motherfucking stream. Its time to open some doors.

    • Thomas K.

       Enough is enough!

      I’ve had it with this motherfucking creeps on this motherfucking stream. Its time to open some doors.

  • Anonymous

    People defending the frat boy mentality of some members of the FGC – You all say jokes are jokes, right? I can’t wait until a white guy in the FGC starts making “jokes” about black or asian people. When that happens, will everyone who complains about him still be considered a pussy? Please explain the double standard here.

  • Anonymous

    People defending the frat boy mentality of some members of the FGC – You all say jokes are jokes, right? I can’t wait until a white guy in the FGC starts making “jokes” about black or asian people. When that happens, will everyone who complains about him still be considered a pussy? Please explain the double standard here.

    • http://twitter.com/rnarsauce mar

       happens all the time, no one is complaining.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/BIIGLNTRVA4KNTEZTLD3FE6LHM pron

      >He gets offended by color jokes still. 

      Is this the 80s?

  • http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio

    It was always clear what side the SRK guys were on this, they just didn’t wanna get up in their friends faces about it.

    We should probably thank Aris for forcing them to move on the issue really.

  • http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio

    It was always clear what side the SRK guys were on this, they just didn’t wanna get up in their friends faces about it.

    We should probably thank Aris for forcing them to move on the issue really.

  • http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio

    It was always clear what side the SRK guys were on this, they just didn’t wanna get up in their friends faces about it.

    We should probably thank Aris for forcing them to move on the issue really.

  • http://www.facebook.com/langdon.herrick Langdon Herrick

    As a player who has taught his kid sister everything she knows about fighting games, I wouldn’t hold it against her if she never went to a meetup or tournament. A lot of gamers in the scene just don’t know how to not be creepy. I hate having to apologize for my gender.

    • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

       It’s cool bro, we wish you were a woman too. There is actually a surgery for that. NOH8.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Calvin-Cyr/100001091467656 Calvin Cyr

         You are the biggest dick on the internet.  Go the fuck away.

      • Anonymous

         yes, HOW DARE HE… not want his little sister being harrassed… cause that makes sense.

      • Anonymous

         yes, HOW DARE HE… not want his little sister being harrassed… cause that makes sense.

  • http://twitter.com/jMastersx Jorge Bonilla

    Punishing people for what 2 people said is not right. It’s not like LevelUp went out of their way and went to get commentators to say those things. Again I don’t believe that you guys should punish the people that are trying hard to get seed points. This is getting blown out of proportion. This is getting blown up because the ‘wound’ is fresh…Couple months ago if this had happened nothing absolutely nothing would have happened.    

  • Marc Fletcher

    I for one am glad that you have come out and made such a strong statement.  Personally, I was ashamed to have considered myself part of a community that condoned this kind of behaviour.  Thank you for restoring a measure of my faith in the FGC.

  • Anonymous

    I’ll just say what I said in the topic on SRK.  Stop caring about this shit and just play the games you love.  The more attention you give it, the more you feed the dramafest.

  • Anonymous

    I’ll just say what I said in the topic on SRK.  Stop caring about this shit and just play the games you love.  The more attention you give it, the more you feed the dramafest.

    • http://twitter.com/a6_Productions Tyvon J. Thomas

      hi i hope you are aware that “ignoring the problem” doesn’t make it go away

      • Anonymous

         hi i hope you are aware that 100′s of people saying stuff on SRK doesn’t affect what actually happens to the people directly involved in the incident.  Of course sexual harassment is wrong, but that’s between Aris, Pakozdi, the show’s producers, and any legal authorities that they choose to get involved.  The fact that these people happen to play the same games as us doesn’t mean we need to be intimately involved in their business.  All us random stream monsters blowing it up like this isn’t helping anyone, and is in fact simply making the situation much uglier than it needs to be.

      • Anonymous

         hi i hope you are aware that 100′s of people saying stuff on SRK doesn’t affect what actually happens to the people directly involved in the incident.  Of course sexual harassment is wrong, but that’s between Aris, Pakozdi, the show’s producers, and any legal authorities that they choose to get involved.  The fact that these people happen to play the same games as us doesn’t mean we need to be intimately involved in their business.  All us random stream monsters blowing it up like this isn’t helping anyone, and is in fact simply making the situation much uglier than it needs to be.

      • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

        Here, say it with me: “There….is….no…problem.”

        • http://twitter.com/a6_Productions Tyvon J. Thomas

          if you don’t think that sexual harassment/sexism/racism in gaming communities isn’t a problem then you are literally too privileged to bother arguing with

          • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

            A.) There was no sexual harassment. B. What does sexism/racism have to do with any of this? Did I miss that? It’s okay it probably didn’t happen either.

          • http://www.facebook.com/TravisEpic Travis Lynn

            Sexual Harassment is ANY unwelcome or inappropriate sexual gesture. It can happen between the opposite sex or the same sex.

            So to put it plainly, if ANYONE is offended by it, then it becomes sexual harassment.

            People are announcing their discomfort with the situation making it INAPPROPRIATE, there-for it is Sexual Harassment.

            Thus in turn meaning your opinion on the matter is already disregarded.

            On the other hand, I do agree that we could have spun the situation another way, avoiding selling out.

          • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

            Travis, I’m sorry, but I found your post to be  offensive and thus I have to call you out for your sexual harassment.

          • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

            A.) There was no sexual harassment. B. What does sexism/racism have to do with any of this? Did I miss that? It’s okay it probably didn’t happen either.

          • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

            A.) There was no sexual harassment. B. What does sexism/racism have to do with any of this? Did I miss that? It’s okay it probably didn’t happen either.

          • Anonymous

            It might be easier if Capcom(video game companies in general) didn’t create characters that perpetuate stereotypes. I think you should write a letter to their offices and tell them how appalled you are that they would let Cammy walk around with her ass cheeks hanging out like that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=640756733 Sebastian Casallas

    I applaud SRK and EVO for this move, it’s time we show the world that the FGC isn’t filled with manchildren that don’t know how to talk. It’s time we let them know we ARE a community that accepts everyone.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/BIIGLNTRVA4KNTEZTLD3FE6LHM pron

      I’d accept thos NOS girls… In my pants.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/BIIGLNTRVA4KNTEZTLD3FE6LHM pron

      I’d accept thos NOS girls… In my pants.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TonyOgborn Tony Ogborn

    inkblot, Leveluplive knows that what went down is unacceptable and they know what to do to combat it now.  Pulling the SRK sponsorship and seeding points is not only unfair to Leveluplive, but also to all the West Coast players that wanted to use that as a means for a better seed in the  Evo Championships. I know you guys want to send a message that this is unacceptable, but you’re really hurting the part of the community that wants to have some good, clean fun and be properly rewarded for it.

  • http://twitter.com/onReload onReload

    I think inkblot and many other people at SRK/in the FGC know that there was a huge difference between Aris harassing an individual player and commentators making a few jokes on the WNF stream. inkblot’s problem is that the day after everything blew up, people were making light of it publicly, and they represent Level | Up and SRK.

    I, for one, think this is a bit too harsh. I think many of us felt kind of awkward after Cross Assault, and joking about media coverage was just a way of returning to normal. But, maybe Tom feels like he has to issue a harsh penalty just to make sure everyone, inside or out, understands SRK’s official position.

    • Anonymous

       yep yep, this is pretty obvious, hopefully something can be worked out between WNF Level up and srk to possibly re-institute the seeding points for the players or something.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paul-Kownacki/100003183843250 Paul Kownacki

    Being good at video games does not excuse you for being a douchebag. Hell, if anything it makes you look like an even bigger jackass.

    And take a shower once in a goddamn while.

    • http://twitter.com/rnarsauce mar

       You’re an idiot.

      • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

        A big, massive fucking idiot.

      • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.pendleton Douglas E Pendleton

         He is right stop nuthugging top players.

  • http://twitter.com/TwitHatman TwitHatman

    I can’t wait to read this article again when they pull support from Final Round over commentary like this.

  • Anonymous

    inkblot suckin hard on dat esports dick for dat money

    • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.pendleton Douglas E Pendleton

       Wow and you see why folks look down on some of the folks in the FGC.

  • http://www.twitter.com/KreativeMente Kreative Mente

    Mess with someones money and you will definitely see a change.

    SRK pulls funding. WNF starts Banning. Its effective.

    • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

      Then I say the monsters stop watching.

  • Anonymous

    List of EVO 2012 Banned Obscenities:

    Gay, Faggot – Citing Homophobia
    Pussy, Bitch – Citing Sexism
    Shit, Suck – Citing Inequality

    —————————————–
    Get this shit of the front page.

    • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

      I personally would be appalled to see that the EVO staff thinks that I am such a weak-willed, weak-minded homosexual that would actually get offended by “gay” or “faggot” when I say that shit all of the time.

  • dub bud

    No surprise coming from Marn. After that whole Miranda thing he called Mike Ross over Skype and tried to get Mike to agree that Miranda was full of it. He even failed to tell Mike, that he was on the Stream (reoccurring thing there Mike, huh?)

    Mike of course was totally level headed and disagreed with most of what Marn was trying to get him to agree to, whereas Marn was just spouting obscenities and illogical drivel and bitching about Miranda.

    (check his stream archive for the entire conversation)

    It’s unfortunate for the rest of the FGC that the totally foul mouthed and morally dubious are also the loudest, but I think the FGC as a whole is to blame for putting those people on such a pedestal and ergo letting them get away with it.

  • http://twitter.com/Incognitodies Thomas Cooper

     If Kotaku had a good look in the mirror they would have a fucking seizure

  • http://twitter.com/Incognitodies Thomas Cooper

     If Kotaku had a good look in the mirror they would have a fucking seizure

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Wilson/534492200 David Wilson

    i do agree with what the article writer says as in just handing out the mic to anybody who wants to hear the sound of thier own voice no matter how obnoxious and annoying they are. thats why most times i end up muting videos when i watch them.

  • Anonymous

    Why are people bitching about this? There’s no need to sacrifice the rawness. There’s no need to be even remotely political. Seriously, if you can’t be raw without spouting off some variety of hate speech or harassment, all it means is that you’re full of hate. At the same time, there’s also no need to get rid of joking. There’s a line between joking and harassment. Find it and stay behind it; it’s not that hard. It’s common sense and common decency. This isn’t about eSports or about censoring or what the fuck ever. This is about being decent human beings. Are we decent human beings, or cesspools of hatred?

    • Anonymous

       Knowing the FGC and the comments, it seems to be quite the latter

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Graham-Shryock/49110487 Graham Shryock

      You’re correct. There’s no need to sacrifice rawness. That’s what makes this community so amazing. Seeing the hype of Poongko v Daigo is what keeps me coming back to watch every major. But at the same time we’re trying to grow and become a respectable sport in the eyes of the world. Don’t people want the attention that other games like Counter-Strike and SC2 get? If not, that’s fine and enjoy your local fight nights in your hometown, because that’s all you’ll get. I, for one, want to see EVO streamed on ESPN someday, or have the stream eventually bring in a million viewers, and if you want that kind of attention and exposure you have to have a certain level of professionalism. DON’T lose the rawness off-camera, but it’s not hard to act like an adult while on the stream. Ultra Chen seems to have no trouble doing so and maybe that’s why they’re the best commentating duo hands down.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=745579039 Justt Bruce

    THANK GOD! Thank god someone is finally doing something about this! 

  • Anonymous

    Never noticed any sexist stuff… there are a few top female players I thought.
    If it’s just the commentators being sexist, I wouldn’t know I don’t listen to them… usually turn the sound off cause they’re annoying as all hell.
    I think them being sexist could be the least of their problems, but then again I guess you would be a little bit hatefull of the opposite sex if at 30 year old you’ve still never managed to even get a date.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Fuzie/100000957752760 David Fuzie

    Seems SRK hit two birds with one stone: scare the sh*t out of other stream sites by removing Level|Up’s SRK/Evo sponsorship and use this authority to pan out sexual harassment ideologies in the FGC.  However, that’s not going to stop sexual harassment in the community. 

    This article only servers as a public announcement that SRK/Evo do not condone sexual harassment, and don’t want to be held liable for commentary expressed by other stream sites that SRK advertises.  It’s really more of a legal issue masked behind the opinion of a staff member.

    However, I agree with inkblot that sexual harassment must be snuffed out and not promoted in the FGC if the FGC wants to be taken more seriously (and avoid legal issues).

  • http://twitter.com/WilliamKwaak William Kwaak

    Seriously though, Cross Assault is a reality show with a girl on each team, what the fuck else were you expecting?

    • http://twitter.com/a6_Productions Tyvon J. Thomas

      this is not an excuse and if you really think that it is, you are feeding the problem

      • Anonymous

        Comments like this aren’t exactly fixing the problem either.

      • Anonymous

        Comments like this aren’t exactly fixing the problem either.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Wilson/534492200 David Wilson

    you should be telling some of the commentators on streams to grow the fuck up. seriously most of them remind me of 15 year olds the way they talk.  and who the fuck would laugh at aris antics on cross assault. he was one step away from telling that girl to spin around so he could check out her ass. good for her that she didnt actually stand up…

  • http://www.facebook.com/travis.langdale Travis Langdale

    The NOS girls job is to sell they’re sexiness. I mean just because someone says they want to “hit it” shouldn’t be a big shocker to anyone, especially from a teenage boy. Face it guys, we all were thinking the same thing ;)

    • http://twitter.com/MiGaOh Michael G. O’Hair

      A large number of us aren’t teenage boys anymore (not since the last century), and most of us know how to check our behavior before we wreck our reputations.

      The spotlight’s on and brighter than ever. Time to lock things down. Stow the locker room talk in the locker room, and the arcade talk in the arcade. Granted, the stream was from an arcade, but the behavior unfortunately reinforced some of the public perceptions of what goes on in the trenches during a fighting game competition..

      There was a previous SRK news post about a father who supported his son’s fighting game hobby (http://shoryuken.com/2012/02/11/alex-jebailey-interviews-steven-jayson-cj-truths-father/). If that man saw something like what happened on Cross Assault or last night’s WNF, do you think he’d be as willing to support his son’s fighting game activities? Arcades and fighting games have a reputation for that kind of behavior, and the last week of events really shows some (but perhaps not all) of the scene’s true colors.

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  • http://twitter.com/NPMafiaSanta NPMafia Santa

    Wait so you’re punishing an entire group of players over what 2 guys said on a mic? Fucking idiots.

  • http://twitter.com/NPMafiaSanta NPMafia Santa

    Wait so you’re punishing an entire group of players over what 2 guys said on a mic? Fucking idiots.

  • Moribund Cadaver

    A lot of people commenting don’t seem to understand professional level consequences.

    This isn’t an overblown reaction to what went down. Folks need to stop and shake themselves out of the boy’s club mentality. If the FGC wants to behave professionally, sanctions like this can be warranted. This is the severity of the reaction you’d find in other professional environments. If the representatives for an organization screw up, that organization runs the risk of severe punishment because in the end, the org was responsible for putting those reps out there in public.

    What’s happening right now is indeed a hardline reaction, but I think it’s most likely appropriate. The fighting game scene has many positive qualities, but by the same token, people typically accept the routine they’ve come to be familiar with. A shock to the system was going to happen sooner or later.

    Public image matters, and it matters more as the FGC tries to gain sponsorships, secure its future, and shore up a lasting foundation. Measures such as those that are being taken here will seem harsh, unfair, even cruel to many community members who are used to thinking locally. The FGC has some deep set attitude problems that need to be sliced out with surgical precision, though. The knife hurts… no way around it.

    Generally, a message is being sent loud and clear that certain kinds of behavior are inappropriate and that the FGC won’t stand for them. These behaviors will warrant real consequences, not just a stern talking to and a slap on the wrist. This establishes a context for dealing with potentially worse situations down the road. For example, let’s say a genuinely creepy person shows up who can be singled out as someone who may actually harm a female community member. Precedent now exists for pulling this person out of circulation early, at the first sign of trouble. And a warning has gone out to organizations to take the subject very seriously. You can’t teach people a lesson without real consequences.

    • Anonymous

      i agree with you whole heartedly, something needs to be done as the community expands but i think banning the players involved is a much better solution to the problem. because as it stands right now the message is one sided and destroys the hard work of the good people at levelup and WNF, a stream that by and large is one of the better streams for fighting games next to anything spooky does, for something they could not have for seen. 

    • Anonymous

      I wanted to find fault with the this article for awhile, as I feel like the penalty IS heavy handed and unfair, but I can’t justify that. Because right now, by outside sources, everyone that goes to WNF and is participating for those EVO points are being labeled as things that are blatantly wrong for a large majority of the community. But people are people, people will do stupid things and make stupid mistakes and this isn’t about being decent people or changing these human beings at the level it would take to stop them from being hateful and indecent, but it’s about business.

      It’s about the FGC going pro and I’m not bitter about it because it’s not my interests at hand that are being protected. I, as a guy that plays fighting games competitively but is completely broke and has no interests in the FGC going pro, has literally no say in the matter. The interests at hand being protected are those of Level up live, those of SRK, and those trying to make this into a legitimate thing that actually gains recognition for what it does right and what it’s about, and not for some stupid assholes who decide to be children on the mic.

      For those of you feeling like you’re being burned and that the FGC is changing and it’s not looking out for the stream monster or the casual or the little man like me who has no money and no investment in this, it’s because it’s not. The FGC is looking out for the people organizing this entire movement, the people putting on the streams, the people putting on the tournaments, and the people participating in the tournaments and watching the tournaments from the comfort of their own homes AS A WHOLE.

      It’s not about what you want from your FGC as an individual, it’s about coming together and representing a community the way that the heads of it want it represented, as they are the people that pour the money, time, and effort into making the FGC bigger, better, and more welcoming. Us at home in the stream chat are retroactively doing nothing and matter little because the whole reason these streams want numbers are to create new interest and in creating new interest will create new PLAYERS. Players who will go to these things and truly benefit from the changes that people like the Cannon brothers are making. And to those of you who think that you’re the FGC and that these are your streams and blah blah I’m important and whatever I say matters, I say no, no it does not unless your views coincide with those that are actually doing things for this community. Otherwise, if you disagree with the decisions of EVO, WNF, or those like them and think that it’s ok to be a hateful, spiteful asshole, by all means get out and don’t come back, you won’t be missed.

      If you are a tournament player, be concerned. By allowing ignorant remarks to be made on stream to the public, you’re hurting your scene, don’t just stand by and be tolerant of it because the world at large is intolerant of hate. Discourage it. If you are an organizer of a tournament, be heavy handed in your discouragement of hate and harrassment and abuse of all kinds unless you want this kind of bad publicity to define you and your organization, be it Final Round, WNF, Big Two or whatever. If you’re putting money into this machine to make it work, follow the Cannon’s example. And lastly, if you’re sitting at home like I am just writing comments in SRK, go about your daily lives, this doesn’t concern you unless you decide to make an ass of yourself at one of these events.

  • Moribund Cadaver

    A lot of people commenting don’t seem to understand professional level consequences.

    This isn’t an overblown reaction to what went down. Folks need to stop and shake themselves out of the boy’s club mentality. If the FGC wants to behave professionally, sanctions like this can be warranted. This is the severity of the reaction you’d find in other professional environments. If the representatives for an organization screw up, that organization runs the risk of severe punishment because in the end, the org was responsible for putting those reps out there in public.

    What’s happening right now is indeed a hardline reaction, but I think it’s most likely appropriate. The fighting game scene has many positive qualities, but by the same token, people typically accept the routine they’ve come to be familiar with. A shock to the system was going to happen sooner or later.

    Public image matters, and it matters more as the FGC tries to gain sponsorships, secure its future, and shore up a lasting foundation. Measures such as those that are being taken here will seem harsh, unfair, even cruel to many community members who are used to thinking locally. The FGC has some deep set attitude problems that need to be sliced out with surgical precision, though. The knife hurts… no way around it.

    Generally, a message is being sent loud and clear that certain kinds of behavior are inappropriate and that the FGC won’t stand for them. These behaviors will warrant real consequences, not just a stern talking to and a slap on the wrist. This establishes a context for dealing with potentially worse situations down the road. For example, let’s say a genuinely creepy person shows up who can be singled out as someone who may actually harm a female community member. Precedent now exists for pulling this person out of circulation early, at the first sign of trouble. And a warning has gone out to organizations to take the subject very seriously. You can’t teach people a lesson without real consequences.

  • http://www.facebook.com/SenseiSounds Ricardo Cruz

    This is silly. People want to say nobody’s nitpicking, but honestly, the NOS girls thing is now unacceptable? A bunch of dolled up women with ta-tas exposed and skin-tight clothing are trying to be sexually attractive, what do people want? This video is one of the most tame uhh…scandal vids I’ve ever seen. Shitload of racially charged jokes are made all the time but nobody looks at those, now one event of a known creeper doing what he does best gets blown way up and we’re talking about equality? I’m confuzzled. 

    Whether or not I agree is irrelevant at this point, but to pick and choose which “hate speech” is worthy just cracks me up. 

    • Anonymous

       I don’t think that part was used for the admiring the ladies part. I think it was more the snarky ‘ooh, sexual harassment’ comment one dude made after the fact. Taking potshots at the situation and just generally stirring things up to be edgy or whatever.

  • http://www.facebook.com/SenseiSounds Ricardo Cruz

    This is silly. People want to say nobody’s nitpicking, but honestly, the NOS girls thing is now unacceptable? A bunch of dolled up women with ta-tas exposed and skin-tight clothing are trying to be sexually attractive, what do people want? This video is one of the most tame uhh…scandal vids I’ve ever seen. Shitload of racially charged jokes are made all the time but nobody looks at those, now one event of a known creeper doing what he does best gets blown way up and we’re talking about equality? I’m confuzzled. 

    Whether or not I agree is irrelevant at this point, but to pick and choose which “hate speech” is worthy just cracks me up. 

  • Anonymous

    + maybe if they pull one another off before they go and commentate they wont be so easily distracted and sent into a mad rant by the thought of a vagina.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/WZRLIV6GIJZQB2J6AYCYBH3EVQ Nugga

    Quoted by my girl Juri~  Weak So weak

  • Anonymous

    reposting my Ars Technica reply  

    There is a time and a place for ‘ironic sexist jokes’ that time and place is not continuously when people are trying to get on with their damned ‘tourny/job/whatever.’This whole topic is incredibly tough to deal with; if like me you believe that no humour is out of bounds but that there are appropriate and inappropriate contexts for employment of certain jokes; contexts that are not set in stone and highly dependant on your relationship with the ‘butt’ of the joke, you have a very hard time laying down a rulebook for what is good and bad conduct.

    The whole thing is so damned subjective that ultimately I think the rule you have to run with is that your humour (or just regular words) should never make someone feel uncomfortable. It’s at that point you cross from ‘banter’/'being a joker’ to being a bully.

    You aren’t a racist for telling a racist joke, you arent sexist for telling a sexist joke. BUT you become those things through derision of ethnicity and gender respectively. BECAUSE this guy, when presented with a woman, could only talk derisively about her gender, unable to separate the person from an individual characteristic, he became a sexist. Because he continued to make sexist jokes well beyond the point that she was comfortable he became a sexist. #opinions

    • Anonymous

      lol ars technica

      this is less an issue of what people are than how they are representing the FGC to mainstream gaming press who like to jump on every little thing. Not that Aris’ comments weren’t uncalled for, and not to say that Marn was acting unprofessional. But maybe the FGC isn’t used to acting professional yet. I’m pretty sure everybody understands what it means to be professional, though, they just don’t think they need to be there yet because to them it’s just games.

  • Anonymous

    The FGC used to just be some people that got together to play fighting games. WTF happened?? I guess it just became over-populated, and fell victim to anything else that gains widespread popularity. Too many people with too many strong and divergent opinions. Get back to the video games and keep this meaningless drama out of it.

    • Anonymous

      All you need to do is say no to the money and sponsorships….

      • Anonymous

        The money and sponsorship are irrelevant compared to treating people like decent human beings. esports isn’t the issue here.

        • Anonymous

          Treating people like decent human beings is an issue that exists everywhere in the world. It’s not limited to FGC, and FGC is not going to fix it. That’s why these articles SHOULD be irrelevant, IMO.

          It’s just crazy to me how playing fighting games has become so big that politics and money have such a big impact. They are fucking fighting games.

        • Anonymous

          Treating people like decent human beings is an issue that exists everywhere in the world. It’s not limited to FGC, and FGC is not going to fix it. That’s why these articles SHOULD be irrelevant, IMO.

          It’s just crazy to me how playing fighting games has become so big that politics and money have such a big impact. They are fucking fighting games.

    • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.pendleton Douglas E Pendleton

       No the FGC was about going to the arcade and playing games if you are born in the late 70′s or 80′s you know nothing of this. I was playing before tourneys was even going on.

  • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

    LMFAO! My comment got removed. CAP-COPS! Fuck you. 

  • http://twitter.com/mrvec Mr Vec

    Just because a majority of the community has accepted the oppressive nature of some of its members doesn’t mean that it should be tolerated. 

    If you have something negative to say about someones Race, Gender, or Sexual Orientation you do not need or deserve the public spotlight.  This is not about neutering the community.  We are not a community of oppressors and misogynist.  It is not a core value or something necessary to our community.   

    Many people are upset with the gaming media over their portrayal of our community after these recent events.  What you have to realize is they are not fabricating anything.  Just because you do not see it as news worthy doesn’t remove the validity of their articles.  If we want to grow as a community we have to remove oppression and alienation from our creed.

    Being hype does not require being insulting, racist, sexist, or homophobic. 

    • http://twitter.com/a6_Productions Tyvon J. Thomas

      i agree with you wholeheartedly, but it is almost definitely not a majority of the community that has accepted this behavior. it is definitely a minority, the problem is that the minority is much more vocal than the majority. probably because the vocal minority is fucking venomous and most of us don’t want to have anything to do with arguing with that, as it often never goes anywhere.

  • James Kim

    I hate all these facebook twitter bullshit little kids now in the fg community. 

    Stop trying to be white knights on the internet.  You’re all hipsters / reddit tools of society. 

    The fg community is fine and was always fine the way it is.  If you get offended with shit that happens in this scene, you’re going to be in for a rude awakening once you graduate college. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=769835536 Stuart Hayden

      I’ve been saying this since 08 and you always call me a hater because of it. 

    • Anonymous

      Dude, if you can’t do better than stream monstering, being an adult is going to be so hard for you.

    • http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio

      I’ve always been more of the opinion that it’s sad seeing folks telling themselves these fairy stories about how badass and hardcore and COOL the oldschool culture was.

      In reality, it’s like a David Chapelle skit about the arcade scene.

      The ‘problem’ with the newer people is they’re not invested in the myths people have about themselves

  • Anonymous

    I think we’ve hit a pretty major bump in the road in the growth of the FGC. In one hand, you have the people who want the community to grow through expansion and on the other, you have the people who could care less either way. The majority of the comments for this article are exactly the people this is targeting and it just shows the maturity level of most of the players.
    You can’t have a popular growth without some reasonable changes to what is socially acceptible. A great example that I can think of is how Poker dominated sports broadcasting for a while. Poker used to be a game where people would throw cards around and talk to their hearts content while gambling and enjoying a drink and a smoke. Professional poker, now, has a very set decorum that is followed at professional events. The commentating at these professional level is exactly that, professional.
    This community has to come to the realization that we are growing fast. Having been playing since ’93, I’ve seen the rise and fall once, and this massive jump in popularity is unlike anything seen in the 90s. The people we see right now as the face of the community need to put themselves in check and realize they are part of something much larger now than their group of bros. Players need to accept this as the future of the competitive landscape.

    And to those blaming Super Yan for this, grow up. This has been happening for years and I’m positive she isn’t the first person to be offended by somebody else.

    • http://twitter.com/akumous akumous

      The funny thing about this is that this has been going on for a while and nothing has been done until now. I blame Capcom, Madcatz, Iplaywinner, SRK, and TeamSpooky for not addressing the matter with Aris and Miranda at a hasty fashion. All they cared about was promoting their stream and game and controversy was used as a marketing tool.

      • Anonymous

        Thank You, thank you for saying what I have been thinking ever since this popped off.    Hell I will go one step further, and say the whole SY, Aris episode was “staged”.  For the simple reason that no one said anything for 3 days, and a lot of people seen what was going on.

        • Donovan Harris

          #staged…?…#ItsStillRealToMe!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Louis-Paquin/737980686 Louis Paquin

    I’m highly impressed by inkblot’s response. Now is the time to make a stand and make it crystal clear what’s acceptable and what’s not. Mad respects for making a tough call and showing that we’re serious about cleaning up our act.

    • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

       I agree. Articles like this are not acceptable.

  • Anonymous

    You have good intentions and I agree with the point you guys are making. But I think your form was terrible. You’re just alienating everyone with that example.

  • http://www.facebook.com/slipgater Joshua Brown

    Thank you so much Inkblot.  Don’t know what else to write.

  • http://www.fightercon.com William Traylor

    as i tweeted yesterday night at WNF… Marn- Killing Esports One Event at A Time.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/WZRLIV6GIJZQB2J6AYCYBH3EVQ Nugga

    Hahahhahahha Mofoz thought Srk would never sell out . Cats wearing fly sunglasses and got house payments, they need  them redbull add dollars , while turning there back on the core base,

    • Anonymous

      Except SRK was around when no one cared.  If the core base is people who wanna make dick jokes all the time then it’s time to find a new one.

  • Anonymous

    I think the people crying out “yo ESPORTS” are missing the point of this entire exercise. This isn’t about making the fighting community wear clean suits or be professional; it’s knowing when to ease up on the profainity. It’s totally fine to make jokes or be a little obscene, but don’t go making jokes on something scandalous at the wrong time.

  • Marcelo Abans

    Good on SRK for calling out those making light of a serious issue that is. But, and this is a VERY important thing to take notice of, LETS not confuse REAL sexism with perhaps rude jokes or racism with “racists” jokes. I get what Marn and Christian were doing but sometimes you need to let the wounds heal just a bit before making light of it. I am making a big deal about Sexual Harassment that Aris was doing was unacceptable but there are women who can hang and give it back. Ultimately if you fuck with someone and they say “Back off” do it. If they shoot something back and you know between the 2 talking it’s just banter (ie: Gran Tarino style) then leave it be.

    Lets keep in mind that the point of the article that what happened to SuperYan was a very serious thing and what Marn and Christian were doing was seemingly dismissing it as if it wasn’t an issue.

    Please, lets just make sure we don’t address the issue with a hatchet when all it needs is a scalpel.

  • http://www.facebook.com/thepja Paul Adamson
    • Anonymous

      I think that before being too hard on Marn, it’s good to remember that he is a virgin.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SKFZHSBVIRFAVBINCAOPGI5QLU RegalX

    I personally don’t know what to say.  On the one hand having the FGC turn into E-Sports is really the thing that I wanted most.  But as a follower of the community for a long time I’m pretty sure that the consensus is that FGC does not want to politically correct or more main stream.  They just want to have fun, and talk trash and be themselves.

    Inkblot is talking about the “dark side” of the FGC like the stream monsters and pot monsters only make up like 10% of the community.  They ARE the community.  You guys are going after people that have been in the FGC for like a decade to protect a few ’09ers, who have no idea where the scene came from.

    Like I said, I have no problems with FGC turning into E-sports, I would like to see more female players mashing jab into headbutt and become internet sensations.  But you’re going to have to toss a lot of OG players under the bus to do so. A lot of those players that dedicated their lives to promoting the community and attending tournaments, and probably never saw a single dime in return.  It’s a sad ending to those players, who won’t be allowed be a part of the community they helped create because it turned into E-Sports.

    That’s the true dark side of the FGC.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/WZRLIV6GIJZQB2J6AYCYBH3EVQ Nugga

       nah it will split it in 2 , i have seen it happen with other things,,,,,,,It will create competetion and another forum will arise that will be like old srk and then you will have the Clean heavly modded srk for the I guessing they think the nintendo wii audience

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/WZRLIV6GIJZQB2J6AYCYBH3EVQ Nugga

       nah it will split it in 2 , i have seen it happen with other things,,,,,,,It will create competetion and another forum will arise that will be like old srk and then you will have the Clean heavly modded srk for the I guessing they think the nintendo wii audience

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/WZRLIV6GIJZQB2J6AYCYBH3EVQ Nugga

       nah it will split it in 2 , i have seen it happen with other things,,,,,,,It will create competetion and another forum will arise that will be like old srk and then you will have the Clean heavly modded srk for the I guessing they think the nintendo wii audience

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Calvin-Cyr/100001091467656 Calvin Cyr

       The OG’s can still be here, but they’re going to have to change with the times.  You can no longer say what you want on stream and get away with it.  If being yourself means saying hurtful things while representing the community, then you need to personally change.

  • Anonymous

     ”No, it’s about drawing the line between trash talk and actively being a
    frickin bigot. There’s a difference between insults, harmless flaming,
    etc and hateful, prejudiced and abusive language. Too bad idiots like
    Aris who’re still unaware of that difference are so high profile.”
    Hilarious.

    I can guarantee you no one commentating on that stream is anywhere remotely racist.

    I wonder if you’d ever cry this much watching any comedian (even the gritty female ones). Their saying all that shit on stream was for the exact same purpose comedians do it. To entertain. It wasn’t to make light of sexual harrassment, as most of you say.

    You people are fucking stupid.

    • Anonymous

      No one laughed when Gilbert Gottfried made a joke about 9/11. But they (probably) did at the subsequent “Aristocrats” joke.
      There’s a difference in nature between the two, and I feel that’s what separates this commentary from other, previous commentary.

      • Anonymous

         Are you comparing a bunch of women who are intentionally built up to entice the male demographic or a quick slur TO A PUBLIC TERRORIST-CAUSED GENOCIDE?

        We’ve officially reached Godwin’s Law.

        • Anonymous

          OK, so the comparison was a bit of a stretch, but I think you get my point. This was another example of the wrong subject at the wrong time.

          • Anonymous

            Only no one cared in the show the day after. Literally only people who SHOULDN’T matter are taking it this far.

      • Anonymous

         Are you comparing a bunch of women who are intentionally built up to entice the male demographic or a quick slur TO A PUBLIC TERRORIST-CAUSED GENOCIDE?

        We’ve officially reached Godwin’s Law.

    • Anonymous

      Most of the people making fun of that story just don’t care about it, that’s why they take it so lightly, not because they are good souls trying to entertain the viewers. They mostly want to entertain themselves.

    • Electrium

      There are so many things wrong with this post I don’t know where to start. I’ll do my best not to miss anything.

      1) There is more to being a bigot than just being racist. As a society, we’re starting to accept the idea that racism is just plain stupid regardless of the situation, but we don’t understand that it’s just as stupid to make fun of someone because they happen to have different tastes in men or women, or they happen to be a man or a woman, whatever. People are people are people, so treat them like people.

      2) Comedians are in a totally different context than people on live streams. You can’t compare them. Even if you could compare them – you’re implying that nobody is offended by comedians, which is absolutely not true.

      3) In this particular video, the commentators are OBVIOUSLY making light of what happened with Aris. They’re joking about it because they think it’s ridiculous that people made a big deal out of it. They ARE making light of Aris being a total jerk by joking about it. Their intent is to continue that type of behavior on streams because they enjoy it (at the expense of anyone who may have been offended by it). A lot of comedians these days make jokes at the expense of themselves, or make race jokes (or whatever) specifically to call out how stupid it is to be racist (for example). That’s not what this is.

      4) Way to send your argument home, by cussing everyone out. That really makes me appreciate your perspective and understand your argument. /s

    • Electrium

      There are so many things wrong with this post I don’t know where to start. I’ll do my best not to miss anything.

      1) There is more to being a bigot than just being racist. As a society, we’re starting to accept the idea that racism is just plain stupid regardless of the situation, but we don’t understand that it’s just as stupid to make fun of someone because they happen to have different tastes in men or women, or they happen to be a man or a woman, whatever. People are people are people, so treat them like people.

      2) Comedians are in a totally different context than people on live streams. You can’t compare them. Even if you could compare them – you’re implying that nobody is offended by comedians, which is absolutely not true.

      3) In this particular video, the commentators are OBVIOUSLY making light of what happened with Aris. They’re joking about it because they think it’s ridiculous that people made a big deal out of it. They ARE making light of Aris being a total jerk by joking about it. Their intent is to continue that type of behavior on streams because they enjoy it (at the expense of anyone who may have been offended by it). A lot of comedians these days make jokes at the expense of themselves, or make race jokes (or whatever) specifically to call out how stupid it is to be racist (for example). That’s not what this is.

      4) Way to send your argument home, by cussing everyone out. That really makes me appreciate your perspective and understand your argument. /s

    • Electrium

      There are so many things wrong with this post I don’t know where to start. I’ll do my best not to miss anything.

      1) There is more to being a bigot than just being racist. As a society, we’re starting to accept the idea that racism is just plain stupid regardless of the situation, but we don’t understand that it’s just as stupid to make fun of someone because they happen to have different tastes in men or women, or they happen to be a man or a woman, whatever. People are people are people, so treat them like people.

      2) Comedians are in a totally different context than people on live streams. You can’t compare them. Even if you could compare them – you’re implying that nobody is offended by comedians, which is absolutely not true.

      3) In this particular video, the commentators are OBVIOUSLY making light of what happened with Aris. They’re joking about it because they think it’s ridiculous that people made a big deal out of it. They ARE making light of Aris being a total jerk by joking about it. Their intent is to continue that type of behavior on streams because they enjoy it (at the expense of anyone who may have been offended by it). A lot of comedians these days make jokes at the expense of themselves, or make race jokes (or whatever) specifically to call out how stupid it is to be racist (for example). That’s not what this is.

      4) Way to send your argument home, by cussing everyone out. That really makes me appreciate your perspective and understand your argument. /s

  • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

    Inkblot, you fucking genius you. Tell me this: What purpose are the NOS girls supposed to serve? Huh? Tell me. Please. Are we supposed to think of them as wonderfully classy ladies who walk around promoting their product without any sort of ulterior motive of giving us erections?

    Seriously, man. C’mon!  You can’t believe the shit that you type.

  • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

    Inkblot, you fucking genius you. Tell me this: What purpose are the NOS girls supposed to serve? Huh? Tell me. Please. Are we supposed to think of them as wonderfully classy ladies who walk around promoting their product without any sort of ulterior motive of giving us erections?

    Seriously, man. C’mon!  You can’t believe the shit that you type.

  • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

    Inkblot, you fucking genius you. Tell me this: What purpose are the NOS girls supposed to serve? Huh? Tell me. Please. Are we supposed to think of them as wonderfully classy ladies who walk around promoting their product without any sort of ulterior motive of giving us erections?

    Seriously, man. C’mon!  You can’t believe the shit that you type.

  • Esteban López Estrada

    My 2 cents:

    Aris was wrong for what he did, no matter how much people want to defend him all of his actions towards Miranda were wrong, would you do that on the street? would you do that to someone that isn’t even in the FGC? then why even do it? completely over the line, BUT.

    Miranda was wrong too, yes, this is all Aris’s fault, I’m not taking that away, but why didn’t she speak up on the first day? this whole matter was blown up out of proportion because of that, again, this is still Aris’s fault and nothing will ever take that away, but still.

    Inkblot’s stance is the correct one, we can’t let things like these run around because then when do we limit it? how do we know what’s “too far” if sexist comments are allowed?, I’m all for the FGC to remain as it is now, I love Yipes’s commentary and all the trash talking that is involved in this, but something like these was bound to happen with the influx of new players and events that appeared in the last couple of years.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Calvin-Cyr/100001091467656 Calvin Cyr

      She didn’t speak up on the first day because it wasn’t as much of an issue with her at the time.  People can laugh things off at first, but eventually, if it keeps up, they’re going to be vocal about it, and by then it’s too late.  It was on Aris to know when enough was enough, but apparently he doesn’t care about other people’s feelings.  It was very clear from the beginning that Miranda was made uncomfortable by Aris’ remarks, but Aris never knew when to quit, and it’s a shame.

  • Esteban López Estrada

    My 2 cents:

    Aris was wrong for what he did, no matter how much people want to defend him all of his actions towards Miranda were wrong, would you do that on the street? would you do that to someone that isn’t even in the FGC? then why even do it? completely over the line, BUT.

    Miranda was wrong too, yes, this is all Aris’s fault, I’m not taking that away, but why didn’t she speak up on the first day? this whole matter was blown up out of proportion because of that, again, this is still Aris’s fault and nothing will ever take that away, but still.

    Inkblot’s stance is the correct one, we can’t let things like these run around because then when do we limit it? how do we know what’s “too far” if sexist comments are allowed?, I’m all for the FGC to remain as it is now, I love Yipes’s commentary and all the trash talking that is involved in this, but something like these was bound to happen with the influx of new players and events that appeared in the last couple of years.

  • Esteban López Estrada

    My 2 cents:

    Aris was wrong for what he did, no matter how much people want to defend him all of his actions towards Miranda were wrong, would you do that on the street? would you do that to someone that isn’t even in the FGC? then why even do it? completely over the line, BUT.

    Miranda was wrong too, yes, this is all Aris’s fault, I’m not taking that away, but why didn’t she speak up on the first day? this whole matter was blown up out of proportion because of that, again, this is still Aris’s fault and nothing will ever take that away, but still.

    Inkblot’s stance is the correct one, we can’t let things like these run around because then when do we limit it? how do we know what’s “too far” if sexist comments are allowed?, I’m all for the FGC to remain as it is now, I love Yipes’s commentary and all the trash talking that is involved in this, but something like these was bound to happen with the influx of new players and events that appeared in the last couple of years.

  • Anonymous

    We got to big for our own good.  The events will still be fun, but the Streams won’t.  

    • http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio

      Are the matches so boring for you that you rely on racy commentary to be entertained?

      Is it about the games or the personalities?

      • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

        Both. But, fuck it. The real people will stay real and run their own tournaments. Sure, maybe the level of competition won’t be as good, but at least it won’t be like watching paint dry a.k.a. MLG, GSL. At least it will be fun to watch is what I thought the point of this was in the first place.

        The people who want eSports can have eSports.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/KUKNELDEN6QWNCPAJDTKFOIJBQ FGCAreRapists

          LOL waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah fighters are so boring I need niggerspeak and sexism for them to be fun!

          • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

            I laughed, you sir are hilarious.

      • Anonymous

        There is a ton of downtime between matches as you should know and I like being entertained during that time.  Funny stories, popoffs and insensitive jokes are the things I enjoy and do with my group of friends.  Its inviting to see a whole community of people open to it.  On the other hand people with thin skin may be turned off.  I see both sides of it, so for me I’d rather just go to the events and have fun and ignore the stream. 

        • http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio

          I just go to another tab myself.

          There are commentators I absolutely hate, and refuse to listen to (although not because they’re too offensive, they’re just awful), and can watchwith the sound off.  In the same way, some of the best, hypest commentary hasn’t been particularly ‘hardcore’ at all.

          I dunno, I kind of feel like people are losing track of what’s important, and maybe more importantly, of what makes things entertaining..  

  • Anonymous

    We got to big for our own good.  The events will still be fun, but the Streams won’t.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/TravisEpic Travis Lynn

    Yes, I agree that sexual harassment is not cool, but you could also spin the situation to where the Parties in question are “Characters” while commentating and are designed to pull on the feelings of the viewers. Such as a “Heel” or “Face” in commentating. At this point once said parties do something out of line you take care of it off camera in a private setting. This way it takes the heat off the FGC and puts it on the “Character” that is being portrayed by said  parties.

    Finger Cramp already figured this out with FC Jago’s web show “Why we HATE you.” You directly know the show is going to have some form of “HATE” in it as the title implies. Not only that Jago plays a very good Heel as you know he is suppose to be the bad guy so you neglect anything that would normally offend you because you know that he is only playing the role of a villain.

    • http://twitter.com/MiGaOh Michael G. O’Hair

      How long until Gootecks and Marn are doing commercials for Slim Jims?
      Oh yeeeee-ah.

      • http://www.facebook.com/TravisEpic Travis Lynn

        Prolly not far off as they are already marketing for Mad Catz…. and Pogs….lol

  • Anonymous

    I agree with the need to clean up the act of the community, but pulling sponsorship/EVO seeding points for the attendees of WNF over what two commentators said is way OTT, and kind of unfair for those lesser well known players who are trying to make a name for themselves. We have FR this weekend, and I guarantee this Cross Assault situation is going to be brought up on stream. If someone cracks a joke about it, are you going to pull support for that event too? Ladies/Gentlemen, welcome to the slippery slippery slope. I pray we don’t screw ourselves over in the coming days/weeks.

  • http://twitter.com/Vurzie Vurzie

    I love how you guys are acting like Marn said something like ” I would bust into her house and rape that chick anyday”. you cannot seriously tell me that you have not been  hanging out with friends making stupid jokes like that, and that is exactly what they are STUPID JOKES. I am not saying what they said was right, far from it, but you bringing attention to it yourself when the situation has already been dealt with is what really hurts the community because now this will get more exposure and be a bigger deal than it had to be.What hurts the community even more is that fact that you took away the Evo seeding points from WNF, I do not think you really realize how much you are hurting them and their business because of something they had already dealt with.

    • http://www.facebook.com/TravisEpic Travis Lynn

       You bro do you not think that WNF and SRK talked over what the best action was?

      • http://twitter.com/Vurzie Vurzie

        im pretty sure that that wnf did not agree that dropping a sponsorship was a good course of action

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Calvin-Cyr/100001091467656 Calvin Cyr

       Sorry, but when you hop onto a stream commentary, where the stream is sponsored by SRK and EVO, and the stream is viewed by thousands of people, you are the voice of the community, whether you like it or not.  Marn and Christian needed to maintain a certain level of professionalism, and they failed.  People invest money on these things, and you can’t expect them to just let shit like this happen.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Calvin-Cyr/100001091467656 Calvin Cyr

       Sorry, but when you hop onto a stream commentary, where the stream is sponsored by SRK and EVO, and the stream is viewed by thousands of people, you are the voice of the community, whether you like it or not.  Marn and Christian needed to maintain a certain level of professionalism, and they failed.  People invest money on these things, and you can’t expect them to just let shit like this happen.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Calvin-Cyr/100001091467656 Calvin Cyr

       Sorry, but when you hop onto a stream commentary, where the stream is sponsored by SRK and EVO, and the stream is viewed by thousands of people, you are the voice of the community, whether you like it or not.  Marn and Christian needed to maintain a certain level of professionalism, and they failed.  People invest money on these things, and you can’t expect them to just let shit like this happen.

  • Anonymous

    Controversy Sells. Lol keep dancing to their tune.

  • http://www.facebook.com/themightyraeli Kyle Bauer

    So you’ll take away WNF’s evo seeding points but won’t ban the two people who were the main perpetrators in this ‘scandal’ (aka Kotaku making a mountain out of a fucking anthill) because they’re e-famous. Justin Wong and Marn. E-sports, ladies and gentlemen. We are now censoring our community.

    To quote Jared Rea “Just accept it you fucking retards, just shut up and accept it.”
    #fuckesports

  • http://www.facebook.com/datshitcray Randall Madvillain Raborn

    I’m so tired of this whole situation. Can we just apologize and promise to be good kids next time? 

    • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

      They already did.

      Nobody pays attention to real talk though.

    • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

      They already did.

      Nobody pays attention to real talk though.

    • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

      They already did.

      Nobody pays attention to real talk though.

    • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

      They already did.

      Nobody pays attention to real talk though.

  • Anonymous

    Its about time this issue was addressed. Childish, offensive language has been on virtually every FGC stream ive ever seen. Should have been dealt with earlier but heck, better late than never. 

    If the FGC is seriously going to aim at professionalism people are going to have to learn a lot about putting on a production. Sadly, the fact that a large show like Cross Assault cant even manage half decent production values doesnt inspire confidence.

  • Anonymous

    Its about time this issue was addressed. Childish, offensive language has been on virtually every FGC stream ive ever seen. Should have been dealt with earlier but heck, better late than never. 

    If the FGC is seriously going to aim at professionalism people are going to have to learn a lot about putting on a production. Sadly, the fact that a large show like Cross Assault cant even manage half decent production values doesnt inspire confidence.

  • Anonymous

    Its about time this issue was addressed. Childish, offensive language has been on virtually every FGC stream ive ever seen. Should have been dealt with earlier but heck, better late than never. 

    If the FGC is seriously going to aim at professionalism people are going to have to learn a lot about putting on a production. Sadly, the fact that a large show like Cross Assault cant even manage half decent production values doesnt inspire confidence.

  • Anonymous

    Its about time this issue was addressed. Childish, offensive language has been on virtually every FGC stream ive ever seen. Should have been dealt with earlier but heck, better late than never. 

    If the FGC is seriously going to aim at professionalism people are going to have to learn a lot about putting on a production. Sadly, the fact that a large show like Cross Assault cant even manage half decent production values doesnt inspire confidence.

  • Anonymous

    Its about time this issue was addressed. Childish, offensive language has been on virtually every FGC stream ive ever seen. Should have been dealt with earlier but heck, better late than never. 

    If the FGC is seriously going to aim at professionalism people are going to have to learn a lot about putting on a production. Sadly, the fact that a large show like Cross Assault cant even manage half decent production values doesnt inspire confidence.

  • Anonymous

    Its about time this issue was addressed. Childish, offensive language has been on virtually every FGC stream ive ever seen. Should have been dealt with earlier but heck, better late than never. 

    If the FGC is seriously going to aim at professionalism people are going to have to learn a lot about putting on a production. Sadly, the fact that a large show like Cross Assault cant even manage half decent production values doesnt inspire confidence.

  • http://twitter.com/ScribbleDO David O’Keefe

    If the community cultivates its identity based on being ‘too raw’ to treat people with basic levels of respect for fear of being ‘esports,’ than it is a disgraceful and abject failure. This isn’t about trying to take the grit away, this isn’t about trying to dilute and homogenize the community, this isn’t about trying to take the fun away. This is about having the decency to realize that shit such as sexual harassment is not OK, and subsequently making light of it when it happens isn’t either.

    Stop hiding behind the ‘we don’t wanna be eSports’ bullshit like it’s a free pass to act like fucking man-children.

    I’m glad that there are members of the community who understand why what went down wasn’t OK, and I’m glad that there are folks that, at the very least, have the respect and social consciousness to want to treat people not like special snowflakes, but the dignity befitting a human being. The folks who want to do nothing more than make excuses for this kind of behavior – and understand this: this was not the first time something like this has happened and Aris is not the only person responsible for bullshit like this when it does happen, this was just the boiling point – are toxic. They did not make this community. They do not contribute to it. The folks leveling empty threats and declaring the FGC dead because so many members of it have decided to reevaluate how people in the community get treated are not folks that will be missed, nor will their attitudes be missed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Eric-Forman/100002368924681 Eric Forman

    *FGC commentator makes harmless joke*

    E-SPORTS media: OH THE HORROR! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

    NO ONE was hurt by Marn’s silly comments. You really think the NOS girls would press charges? Don’t be
    ridiculous.

    The more you apologize for IMAGINARY offenses, the more the E-SPORTS media will feel vindicated and continue their crusade.

    Speaking of E-SPORTS crusaders, Jared Rea is complaining that SoCal Regionals spectactors calling Phoenix a “bitch” was offensive and unacceptable ( LOL ).

    Since then this chatlog of Mr. Rea (Jared) has surfaced: http://sl1p2u.tripod.com/id66.htm

    DDRSlip: DAMN IT NIGGER ILL RAPE YOUR MOTHER AND THEN FORCE HER TO MAKE ME MANY COTTON SHIRTS!@”
    Rea uses the usual excuses to dismiss his racist comments, saying that the chat log is from 12 years ago, that he’s a changed man, bla bla bla.

    I find Jared Rea to be A LOT more offensive and hypocritical than Marn or Christian Cain from the Level Up stream.

    Jared Rea is clearly someone who should be lecturing us on biggotry.

    • Anonymous

      my friend, you just won the internet, “THINK OF THE CHILDREN” lmaooooooo

  • http://siriusswag.tumblr.com/ Nikkawhat

    So much drama made about so little.  Marn and Floe’s comments = hate speech?  Saying which Nos girls they found attractive is something to be condemned?  What decade are you living in where that is racy commentary?  ”Yeah, give me the one on the far right.”  OOOOOOOOOOO, scandalous!  There’s so much exaggeration in these articles, it’s more sickening than the events that motivated them.  There’s some irresponsibility shown by the people involved in these situations, but there’s even less responsibility shown by the authors of these articles who draw these things out to be some sort of overarching, widespread issue.  Commentators don’t SPEAK FOR this community.  They commentate the matches and have casual dialogue in between.  They aren’t chosen to represent anyone.  They just ask for the mic and because they have a name in this community people oblige.  Not one word that comes out of the mouth of Aris, Marn, Floe, or anyone else is indicative of anyone else’s mindset but their own and simply downplaying that fact by saying that because they’re being heard over fighting game streams that they somehow hold more weight than any other time they’d have these conversations.  The FGC is just that, a community.  It’s not an organization, it’s not a bureaucracy, it’s not a business.  There are no contracts, there are no representatives.  These are individuals speaking for themselves.  If you want to reprimand them personally for their words, so be it, but don’t try to implicate that this is some sign of a cultural trend.  Honestly, this is by far the worst case of internet white knighting I’ve ever seen and you writers are doing nothing more than coddling Miranda and female gamers as if they need some sort of extra layer of protection from the big, bad loudmouth male gamers.  Hell, worse things are said on a regular basis by east coast commentators, during on-stream pop-offs between players, and on “less public” but popular streams such as the recent FGTV House stream.  But now that a woman is involved people must run to women’s defense because they’re delicate and incapable of handling things for themselves and we must take action to make sure these things never happen again [Kappa].  Holding their hand and shouting “women’s rights” won’t make females any more comfortable with the FGC than they already are.  I’ve heard jokes filled with mild racism and homophobia week in and week out on streams, but now it’s hateful to make a “that’s sexual harassment” joke?  Honestly, people, take off your armor and chill out because your articles give a much worse name to the community than anything this handful of guys have ever said.

  • http://siriusswag.tumblr.com/ Nikkawhat

    So much drama made about so little.  Marn and Floe’s comments = hate speech?  Saying which Nos girls they found attractive is something to be condemned?  What decade are you living in where that is racy commentary?  ”Yeah, give me the one on the far right.”  OOOOOOOOOOO, scandalous!  There’s so much exaggeration in these articles, it’s more sickening than the events that motivated them.  There’s some irresponsibility shown by the people involved in these situations, but there’s even less responsibility shown by the authors of these articles who draw these things out to be some sort of overarching, widespread issue.  Commentators don’t SPEAK FOR this community.  They commentate the matches and have casual dialogue in between.  They aren’t chosen to represent anyone.  They just ask for the mic and because they have a name in this community people oblige.  Not one word that comes out of the mouth of Aris, Marn, Floe, or anyone else is indicative of anyone else’s mindset but their own and simply downplaying that fact by saying that because they’re being heard over fighting game streams that they somehow hold more weight than any other time they’d have these conversations.  The FGC is just that, a community.  It’s not an organization, it’s not a bureaucracy, it’s not a business.  There are no contracts, there are no representatives.  These are individuals speaking for themselves.  If you want to reprimand them personally for their words, so be it, but don’t try to implicate that this is some sign of a cultural trend.  Honestly, this is by far the worst case of internet white knighting I’ve ever seen and you writers are doing nothing more than coddling Miranda and female gamers as if they need some sort of extra layer of protection from the big, bad loudmouth male gamers.  Hell, worse things are said on a regular basis by east coast commentators, during on-stream pop-offs between players, and on “less public” but popular streams such as the recent FGTV House stream.  But now that a woman is involved people must run to women’s defense because they’re delicate and incapable of handling things for themselves and we must take action to make sure these things never happen again [Kappa].  Holding their hand and shouting “women’s rights” won’t make females any more comfortable with the FGC than they already are.  I’ve heard jokes filled with mild racism and homophobia week in and week out on streams, but now it’s hateful to make a “that’s sexual harassment” joke?  Honestly, people, take off your armor and chill out because your articles give a much worse name to the community than anything this handful of guys have ever said.

    • Anonymous

      real talk^^

    • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

      Seriously.

      I don’t know what retard would bother consider this scene any kind of singular entity.

  • http://siriusswag.tumblr.com/ Nikkawhat

    So much drama made about so little.  Marn and Floe’s comments = hate speech?  Saying which Nos girls they found attractive is something to be condemned?  What decade are you living in where that is racy commentary?  ”Yeah, give me the one on the far right.”  OOOOOOOOOOO, scandalous!  There’s so much exaggeration in these articles, it’s more sickening than the events that motivated them.  There’s some irresponsibility shown by the people involved in these situations, but there’s even less responsibility shown by the authors of these articles who draw these things out to be some sort of overarching, widespread issue.  Commentators don’t SPEAK FOR this community.  They commentate the matches and have casual dialogue in between.  They aren’t chosen to represent anyone.  They just ask for the mic and because they have a name in this community people oblige.  Not one word that comes out of the mouth of Aris, Marn, Floe, or anyone else is indicative of anyone else’s mindset but their own and simply downplaying that fact by saying that because they’re being heard over fighting game streams that they somehow hold more weight than any other time they’d have these conversations.  The FGC is just that, a community.  It’s not an organization, it’s not a bureaucracy, it’s not a business.  There are no contracts, there are no representatives.  These are individuals speaking for themselves.  If you want to reprimand them personally for their words, so be it, but don’t try to implicate that this is some sign of a cultural trend.  Honestly, this is by far the worst case of internet white knighting I’ve ever seen and you writers are doing nothing more than coddling Miranda and female gamers as if they need some sort of extra layer of protection from the big, bad loudmouth male gamers.  Hell, worse things are said on a regular basis by east coast commentators, during on-stream pop-offs between players, and on “less public” but popular streams such as the recent FGTV House stream.  But now that a woman is involved people must run to women’s defense because they’re delicate and incapable of handling things for themselves and we must take action to make sure these things never happen again [Kappa].  Holding their hand and shouting “women’s rights” won’t make females any more comfortable with the FGC than they already are.  I’ve heard jokes filled with mild racism and homophobia week in and week out on streams, but now it’s hateful to make a “that’s sexual harassment” joke?  Honestly, people, take off your armor and chill out because your articles give a much worse name to the community than anything this handful of guys have ever said.

  • http://siriusswag.tumblr.com/ Nikkawhat

    So much drama made about so little.  Marn and Floe’s comments = hate speech?  Saying which Nos girls they found attractive is something to be condemned?  What decade are you living in where that is racy commentary?  ”Yeah, give me the one on the far right.”  OOOOOOOOOOO, scandalous!  There’s so much exaggeration in these articles, it’s more sickening than the events that motivated them.  There’s some irresponsibility shown by the people involved in these situations, but there’s even less responsibility shown by the authors of these articles who draw these things out to be some sort of overarching, widespread issue.  Commentators don’t SPEAK FOR this community.  They commentate the matches and have casual dialogue in between.  They aren’t chosen to represent anyone.  They just ask for the mic and because they have a name in this community people oblige.  Not one word that comes out of the mouth of Aris, Marn, Floe, or anyone else is indicative of anyone else’s mindset but their own and simply downplaying that fact by saying that because they’re being heard over fighting game streams that they somehow hold more weight than any other time they’d have these conversations.  The FGC is just that, a community.  It’s not an organization, it’s not a bureaucracy, it’s not a business.  There are no contracts, there are no representatives.  These are individuals speaking for themselves.  If you want to reprimand them personally for their words, so be it, but don’t try to implicate that this is some sign of a cultural trend.  Honestly, this is by far the worst case of internet white knighting I’ve ever seen and you writers are doing nothing more than coddling Miranda and female gamers as if they need some sort of extra layer of protection from the big, bad loudmouth male gamers.  Hell, worse things are said on a regular basis by east coast commentators, during on-stream pop-offs between players, and on “less public” but popular streams such as the recent FGTV House stream.  But now that a woman is involved people must run to women’s defense because they’re delicate and incapable of handling things for themselves and we must take action to make sure these things never happen again [Kappa].  Holding their hand and shouting “women’s rights” won’t make females any more comfortable with the FGC than they already are.  I’ve heard jokes filled with mild racism and homophobia week in and week out on streams, but now it’s hateful to make a “that’s sexual harassment” joke?  Honestly, people, take off your armor and chill out because your articles give a much worse name to the community than anything this handful of guys have ever said.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TheDailyOperator Sergio Vargas

    welcome to the fgc! as much as I like fighting games the community has gone in the wrong direction.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TheDailyOperator Sergio Vargas

    welcome to the fgc! as much as I like fighting games the community has gone in the wrong direction.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TheDailyOperator Sergio Vargas

    welcome to the fgc! as much as I like fighting games the community has gone in the wrong direction.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TheDailyOperator Sergio Vargas

    welcome to the fgc! as much as I like fighting games the community has gone in the wrong direction.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TheDailyOperator Sergio Vargas

    welcome to the fgc! as much as I like fighting games the community has gone in the wrong direction.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TheDailyOperator Sergio Vargas

    welcome to the fgc! as much as I like fighting games the community has gone in the wrong direction.

  • Anonymous

    “[Marn] will not be invited to speak on future Level | Up
    broadcasts, and are reviewing our selection process for guest
    commentators.”

    Thank god for this. I wasn’t offended by the harrassment, I just can’t stand that stupid asshat.

  • http://twitter.com/Nooneyouknow013 Robert Hart

    You know what would make FGC commentary seem more professional? The commentators actually knowing what the fuck their talking about.  That’s far more a pressing issue than how PC the streams are, but since being offended is the latest behavioral fad, it’s going to keep being ignored.

    • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

      Yo damn that’s a fucking great way to put it.

  • http://twitter.com/Nooneyouknow013 Robert Hart

    You know what would make FGC commentary seem more professional? The commentators actually knowing what the fuck their talking about.  That’s far more a pressing issue than how PC the streams are, but since being offended is the latest behavioral fad, it’s going to keep being ignored.

  • Anonymous

    Time to grow up. I’m ready for a chance at that SC2 money.

  • Anonymous

    I’m confused on how what they said is offensive. Fill me in?

    • James Kim

       esports. 

      That and most of the hipsters in the fg community have no social skills outside facebook / twitter where they nut hug random people all day.

      “Omg he said something offensive”  get that shit out of here.  Why not go into politics if you want to be fake.

      • Anonymous

        lmao real talk

  • http://profiles.google.com/mpureka Mike Pureka

    The number of people in this thread and this community who somehow think you can’t be hype and have fun without sexist and racist slurs blows my mind.

    Sometimes, I’m just embarrassed to be associating with people who act like this.

  • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

    This is my final post on this subject and them I’m done; my point was never about the so-called “sexist” remarks of Aris or really that they had to with anything regardless sexual harassment whatsoever. My point is that this is just the beginning. First it’s censoring this. Then it’s you can’t curse at all on stream. Then it’s you can’t pop-off or get hype. And then, the stream gets moderated and people get banned for the stupidest of reasons.  See? It’s a snowball effect. Before long, everyone will be hugging each other adn I’m tell you the fighting game scene will not survive without hype–because quite frankly, besides a very limited few the matches can’t hang on there on.

    So yeah, this is just the beginning and like I said earlier it’s time for people to show where their loyalties lie. If they’re with eSports, then fine. You’ll get your pretty production and neato brackets. But, believe me this, you will lose the spark that made things like EVO Moment #37 special. And that my friends is why more than anything, I only have one emotion about this whole thing:

    Sadness.

    • http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio

      slippery slope argument?

      Smoking dope leads directly to freebasing heroin, am I right?!

      • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

        That is a horrible strawman argument; the slippery slope here is pretty obvious while the idea that marijuana leads to anything besides happiness and relaxation is laughable.

        Nice try though–get that one from FOX NEWS?

        • http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio

          ‘my slippery slope argument is totally valid!’

          Everybody thinks that, friend.

          • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

            Even if that’s true, eventually, one of them is right. That’s just math.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nathanial-P-Connor/1557216555 Nathanial P Connor

        Yes.  But you can’t compare a single person example to a media free fall.  

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nathanial-P-Connor/1557216555 Nathanial P Connor

        Yes.  But you can’t compare a single person example to a media free fall.  

    • http://twitter.com/a6_Productions Tyvon J. Thomas

      lmao nobody was being offensive during EVO moment #37, way to try to feed your flawed argument with something completely irrelevant. hope you’re wearing your tinfoil hat to keep yourself free from the Fighting Game Community Conspiracy that is unfolding

      • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

         No? Were you at EVO in 2004?

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Calvin-Cyr/100001091467656 Calvin Cyr

           He said during EVO Moment #37, not the entire event.

      • Anonymous

        And yet everyone treated Justin like a bitch right afterwards.

      • Anonymous

        And yet everyone treated Justin like a bitch right afterwards.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Calvin-Cyr/100001091467656 Calvin Cyr

      See?  This is a reasonable comment.  Look, I can understand why you would be so worried over our scene being turned into something it isn’t.  What our scene is is getting hype, popping off, going nuts, etc.  What it isn’t is bigoted.  eSports will never take away our right to be loud, talk trash, and get hype, because the instance that happens is the instance the scene flatlines.  You can yell without having to make sexist/racist remarks.  I do it all the time.

  • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

    This is my final post on this subject and them I’m done; my point was never about the so-called “sexist” remarks of Aris or really that they had to with anything regardless sexual harassment whatsoever. My point is that this is just the beginning. First it’s censoring this. Then it’s you can’t curse at all on stream. Then it’s you can’t pop-off or get hype. And then, the stream gets moderated and people get banned for the stupidest of reasons.  See? It’s a snowball effect. Before long, everyone will be hugging each other adn I’m tell you the fighting game scene will not survive without hype–because quite frankly, besides a very limited few the matches can’t hang on there on.

    So yeah, this is just the beginning and like I said earlier it’s time for people to show where their loyalties lie. If they’re with eSports, then fine. You’ll get your pretty production and neato brackets. But, believe me this, you will lose the spark that made things like EVO Moment #37 special. And that my friends is why more than anything, I only have one emotion about this whole thing:

    Sadness.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-McMahon/100000053973120 Chris McMahon

    SHIT.JUST.GOT.REAL

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-McMahon/100000053973120 Chris McMahon

    SHIT.JUST.GOT.REAL

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nathanial-P-Connor/1557216555 Nathanial P Connor

    So wait…we are mad at Marn for openly lusting after women who are openly using SEX to sell the NOS product?

    • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.pendleton Douglas E Pendleton

       Now everybody likes Marn huh? Most of these people talked about Marn like a dog now that he is catching heat he is the good guy. Make up your mind people.

      • http://twitter.com/WalterJKovacs Walter Joseph Kovacs

        You’re implying that the FGC is one entity with a single view on everything.

      • http://twitter.com/WalterJKovacs Walter Joseph Kovacs

        You’re implying that the FGC is one entity with a single view on everything.

      • http://twitter.com/WalterJKovacs Walter Joseph Kovacs

        You’re implying that the FGC is one entity with a single view on everything.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tony-Justo-da-Silva/100001556600892 Tony Justo da Silva

    Fuckin’ A. This ain’t about selling out or conforming to ESports or whatever. This is about respecting others and getting rid of unwarranted machismo jock bullshit that has no place in any scene, much less video games.

  • http://twitter.com/akumous akumous

    I can see where this is going to lead….the streams are going to be segmented – there is going to be a stream cater to the sensitive demographic that wants to see a more professional stream; and there is going to be unadulterated for the hardcore. 

    I understand what is this article is trying to convey to its audience but this is becoming ridiculous. Miranda was “harassed,” despite her cry Aris was inconsiderate towards and that’s bloody wrong. However, the community as a whole is not 24/7 professional, we like to have fun and make jokes regardless if the jokes maybe offensive to members outside the community but that’s how they are. We  should not change the culture but I do believe there is a time and place for professional and manners. 
    If the community was tamed it would not have been as big as it is now…viewers log in to have fun with a mix of professional commentating and spice of a little antics and jokes while watching high level matches. Changing the culture of the community is just going to ruin it and that’s my opinion. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/ts.trinh TS Trinh

    This website is pissing me off now with this article. Nothing happen until the Cross assault incident and you decide to get in the same wagon and sell out the community ??? pfff that is more discussing then sexual harassment it a betrayal. Bye bye SRK from me !!!!! 

  • http://twitter.com/B1jyu Stano Jaeger

    Help help Marn said “You can’t say the A word here, we don’t need sexual harassment haha” and then two people talked about which woman out of a group of women who are PAID to be attractive is the most attractive.

    Is sexual harassment ok? no. Does the “PROFESSIONAL” side of the community need to grow up a little. Maybe.  Does WNF deserve to be punished for what happened last night? Absolutely not. I see more offensive stuff than last night on cartoon network for crying out loud.

    SFxT needs to hurry up and release so I can fill up my time with what the community is actually about. Playing the games, not kotaku articles and TV Drama.

  • http://twitter.com/kjunkfighting Matt W

    I support this.  Grown ass men need to stop acting like adolescents, on and off stream.

    • James Kim

       More like Grown ass men need to stop being sensitive little shits.  Grown ass men who need to socialize outside of facebook and twitter. 

      SRK taking an article from Kotaku of all places also.  This site is turned to shit.  I bet you cried writing this article because what a sell out you’ve become.

      • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.pendleton Douglas E Pendleton

         No folks do need to act like grown ass men. FCG does not need dumb ass stream monster shit to ruin it. I bet you act like you have sense on your job.

      • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.pendleton Douglas E Pendleton

         No folks do need to act like grown ass men. FCG does not need dumb ass stream monster shit to ruin it. I bet you act like you have sense on your job.

  • D Major

    It’s apparent the powers that be (yah, that’s you guys now) want to move heavily in the direction of the E-Sports deal and hope to get their shot in the mainstream like Texas Hold’em Poker did. Just be careful what you ask for.

    When it’s all said and done, the real players are going to be at the underground events and streams side betting, talking shit with their friends and being unfiltered. Those are the places where the FGC has it’s brightest and funnest moments.

    Getting too heavily involved with the policing of events, players, and streams is walking a fine line.  You’re setting the standard of which you will be held accountable as well.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Graham-Shryock/49110487 Graham Shryock

      The same could be said of all sports but compared to the pro events/leagues (NBA, MLB, NFL) not many people care about the “underground” events. Who cares what happened at the semi-pro level? We’re too busy watching the Super Bowl. The money, sponsors, and hypest events won’t be “undeground”. You think Spooky, Ultrachen, or any sponsored players (assuming they want to keep their sponsorships) will be there if they coincide with EVO or any majors? Of course not; they want to be seen as professionals and will act accordingly in order to do so.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Graham-Shryock/49110487 Graham Shryock

      The same could be said of all sports but compared to the pro events/leagues (NBA, MLB, NFL) not many people care about the “underground” events. Who cares what happened at the semi-pro level? We’re too busy watching the Super Bowl. The money, sponsors, and hypest events won’t be “undeground”. You think Spooky, Ultrachen, or any sponsored players (assuming they want to keep their sponsorships) will be there if they coincide with EVO or any majors? Of course not; they want to be seen as professionals and will act accordingly in order to do so.

      • D Major

         Daigo will still be at closed door events side betting and getting his money AKA GAMBLING.  Yes, it’s GAMBLING. 

        If you’re going to go with sports, we can talk about NBA vs. The Rucker and the fact that NBA Players still show up in street ball games.

      • D Major

         Daigo will still be at closed door events side betting and getting his money AKA GAMBLING.  Yes, it’s GAMBLING. 

        If you’re going to go with sports, we can talk about NBA vs. The Rucker and the fact that NBA Players still show up in street ball games.

      • D Major

         Daigo will still be at closed door events side betting and getting his money AKA GAMBLING.  Yes, it’s GAMBLING. 

        If you’re going to go with sports, we can talk about NBA vs. The Rucker and the fact that NBA Players still show up in street ball games.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1412454590 Emmet Allen

    That’s totally true. Maybe we all are just overreacting just a little bit. It’s not right to harass anyone, but a person needs to be strong themselves.

  • Anonymous

    They’ll give a mic to any idiot these days huh?

  • http://twitter.com/frrrrr_ Louis Lo

    I’m literally watching Pleasantville in action

  • Anonymous

    Way to generalize a whole group of people based on the actions of a few. Bravo Kotaku.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1412454590 Emmet Allen

    Dude, I hate apologizing for my gender PERIOD.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=761175295 Chris DigitalPhoenix Oakley

    So, basically, Aris fucked it up for everyone.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Graham-Shryock/49110487 Graham Shryock

      I wouldn’t say that. He owned up to his mistake and apologized, so he’s forgiven (at least by me). It’s really opened up the floodgates and showing everyone the true colors of some of the other fighting game enthusiasts who are NOT backing down and saying that the stuff he was saying/doing was completely OK.

      I would say he started it, but the small fire he created is only being fed by other trolls. Both for and against the issue at hand.

    • http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio

      If by ‘fucked it up’ you mean ‘foced people to take action on a serious, ongoing problem’, yeah.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SKFZHSBVIRFAVBINCAOPGI5QLU RegalX

    You guys are talking about the FGC is going to be split in “half” but there is no half.  The overwhelming majority of think comments like that are funny.  People like to act up, get salty, curse and make sexist comments. And no we didn’t tolerate it for for “years” we tolerated it for DECADES.

    Now that SRK and EVO are a brand, we’re gonna tell these players that they need to censor themselves when they’ve acting like this for decades? Or Else >:(?!?!?

    This is a joke.  No offense to Miranda as I do feel sorry for her but there’s a bigger chance of her winning this years EVO then SRK being able to successfully censor the FGC.

    Isn’t SRK’s tournament golden rule something like: “Never make a tournament rule you can’t enforce?”

    • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

       I respect that Regal. There are a lot of people in this comment section from Kotaku trying to make it seem like there is some sort of rift in the community. It’s pretty funny.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Graham-Shryock/49110487 Graham Shryock

      If you want to keep the FGC at it’s current level of exposure or how it was for these decades, then that’s acceptable. Have fun and best of luck.

      However, if you want to grow as a community, gain exposure, sponsors, and more spectators/players, then you have to adhere to a certain level of professionalism when you’re in the public’s eye. No one’s making you; it’s your freedom of speech and your decisions, but don’t be surprised when no one wants to sponsor your event or give you money to expand.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Graham-Shryock/49110487 Graham Shryock

      If you want to keep the FGC at it’s current level of exposure or how it was for these decades, then that’s acceptable. Have fun and best of luck.

      However, if you want to grow as a community, gain exposure, sponsors, and more spectators/players, then you have to adhere to a certain level of professionalism when you’re in the public’s eye. No one’s making you; it’s your freedom of speech and your decisions, but don’t be surprised when no one wants to sponsor your event or give you money to expand.

      • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

        The FGC doesn’t need sponsors to have fun. Which is what this was always about up until recently when everyone started going Hollywood.

        • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.pendleton Douglas E Pendleton

           Yeah and them small tourney payouts are so good.  I swear folks acting like they are big wigs in this community.

          • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

            No one is acting like they are big wigs of anything, but thanks for proving my point. Since when is all we cared about the money? The FGC has been around a whole hell of a lot longer than SC2. SC2′s community always wanted to be eSports, but this is a new development for the FGC. You’re naive if you didn’t expect resistance. 

          • Anonymous

             People care more about money since they grew up. The older you get, the less time you have for your hobbies. But wouldn’t it be cool if you could make your hobby your job, so you could support your family AND do what you love? Thats why stuff like this could be great someday.

        • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.pendleton Douglas E Pendleton

           Yeah and them small tourney payouts are so good.  I swear folks acting like they are big wigs in this community.

        • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.pendleton Douglas E Pendleton

           Yeah and them small tourney payouts are so good.  I swear folks acting like they are big wigs in this community.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Graham-Shryock/49110487 Graham Shryock

      If you want to keep the FGC at it’s current level of exposure or how it was for these decades, then that’s acceptable. Have fun and best of luck.

      However, if you want to grow as a community, gain exposure, sponsors, and more spectators/players, then you have to adhere to a certain level of professionalism when you’re in the public’s eye. No one’s making you; it’s your freedom of speech and your decisions, but don’t be surprised when no one wants to sponsor your event or give you money to expand.

  • Anonymous

    Thumbs Down SRK and EVO. What did the players who competed and won those points have to do with any of this. I am quite sure that there will be lawsuits over this. If someone does something wrong punish them. Guess the only thing to do is contact advertisers on SRK and refuse to buy there products. 

  • Anthony Seel

    Right.  It should be noted that Inkblot has a vested interest in seeing Evo monetized.  It’s like he’s lost his soul.  Feels bad man. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/phobercrar Jaime Morin

    The more visible, powerful and influential a group becomes, the more pressure it has to be politically correct.  It’s just a fact we have to deal with if we want the scene to keep flourishing the way it has been these past couple of years.

    There is a difference between a guy talking to his friends saying “I want to bang that bitch on the left”, and someone who is in a position of power representing a group of people saying it.  The commentators are in a position of power because their voice is being heard by thousands, and they represent us because they’re on the front lines.

    I see no problem with anything that was said on the stream…had it been in private or I heard it in passing.  However I do have a major problem with them saying it on stream while thousands were tuned in and when there are various parties vested in the success of the stream.  Sponsors, Capcom…the scene itself if you think about it.

    Sure in 2004 this wouldn’t have been an issue at all…but in 2004 did Capcom announce it would give $500,000 in prizes to the scene?  In 2004 did streams generate the number of viewers it does now?  Did we have sponsorships?  Where we so visible?  The fact is now we have people we have to answer to. 

    Things are different, realize it, accept it….quit crying.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nathanial-P-Connor/1557216555 Nathanial P Connor

      This man knows what he is talking about.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Evan-Garrick-Henricksen/550051820 Evan Garrick Henricksen

    those nos girl are there to promote a product as representatives of their corporation. HOW DARE those commentators try to objectify them when they are just doing their job. Look at how they are dressed, to have sexual thoughts about those ladies is why the scene is so fucked up. SMH

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Evan-Garrick-Henricksen/550051820 Evan Garrick Henricksen

    those nos girl are there to promote a product as representatives of their corporation. HOW DARE those commentators try to objectify them when they are just doing their job. Look at how they are dressed, to have sexual thoughts about those ladies is why the scene is so fucked up. SMH

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Evan-Garrick-Henricksen/550051820 Evan Garrick Henricksen

    those nos girl are there to promote a product as representatives of their corporation. HOW DARE those commentators try to objectify them when they are just doing their job. Look at how they are dressed, to have sexual thoughts about those ladies is why the scene is so fucked up. SMH

    • Anonymous

      lol

  • http://twitter.com/Mastertouchh Daniel

    I don’t get why the FGC think esport is only polite and fake shit.  at MLG halo pro’s shit talk all the time, racist slurs are thrown, chairs are thrown, controllers were thrown.   sc2 players like idra and destiny shit talk.  destiny thinks that using the word rape in video games is fine.  esports doesn’t change these players.  they still act bad mannered.  FGC people are retarded.  thats for sure.  

  • http://twitter.com/Mastertouchh Daniel

    I don’t get why the FGC think esport is only polite and fake shit.  at MLG halo pro’s shit talk all the time, racist slurs are thrown, chairs are thrown, controllers were thrown.   sc2 players like idra and destiny shit talk.  destiny thinks that using the word rape in video games is fine.  esports doesn’t change these players.  they still act bad mannered.  FGC people are retarded.  thats for sure.  

    • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

      Idiots around here though think that we should censor everything that could have even the slightest chance of offending someone.

  • http://twitter.com/Mastertouchh Daniel

    I don’t get why the FGC think esport is only polite and fake shit.  at MLG halo pro’s shit talk all the time, racist slurs are thrown, chairs are thrown, controllers were thrown.   sc2 players like idra and destiny shit talk.  destiny thinks that using the word rape in video games is fine.  esports doesn’t change these players.  they still act bad mannered.  FGC people are retarded.  thats for sure.  

  • Anthony Seel

     No this is about money.  No one gave a shit the last three years that this has gone on.  But now things are getting bigger and more people are watching and people know there is money to be made.  Thats why people are trying to clean the scene up now.  To make it more marketable to.sponsors.  Always follow the money.

  • Anthony Seel

     No this is about money.  No one gave a shit the last three years that this has gone on.  But now things are getting bigger and more people are watching and people know there is money to be made.  Thats why people are trying to clean the scene up now.  To make it more marketable to.sponsors.  Always follow the money.

  • Anthony Seel

     No this is about money.  No one gave a shit the last three years that this has gone on.  But now things are getting bigger and more people are watching and people know there is money to be made.  Thats why people are trying to clean the scene up now.  To make it more marketable to.sponsors.  Always follow the money.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BRP44MQY44Z6VQPJYLG2MEJOKQ Mike Smith

    I hope you pull from Team Sp00ky as well. because what marn said is nothing compared to

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjGEoFDDoDU

     

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Fuzie/100000957752760 David Fuzie

       I remember that stream very well.  Even though it is somewhat disturbing commentary (even for Chris Hu), it’s not sexual harassment.  Also as a reminder that was done way before inkblot’s article on sexual harassment in the FGC.

      If we’re going to start a witch hunt by using this article’s message to weed out other streams by simply Google’ing outdated stream content then we’ve got a serious problem on our hands.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BRP44MQY44Z6VQPJYLG2MEJOKQ Mike Smith

    I hope you pull from Team Sp00ky as well. because what marn said is nothing compared to

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjGEoFDDoDU

     

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/BRP44MQY44Z6VQPJYLG2MEJOKQ Mike Smith

    I hope you pull from Team Sp00ky as well. because what marn said is nothing compared to

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjGEoFDDoDU

     

  • http://twitter.com/loliwhacker Ryan Kiske

    I find it hilarious that some people think this kind of speech is acceptable. Because of this, they screw over the whole community. I’m sure we will make it out of this everyone!

    • James Kim

      Said the 15 year old loliwhacker

      • http://twitter.com/loliwhacker Ryan Kiske

        I honestly laughed.

        It’s just the name I use online :P

      • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

        Hahahaha.

        • http://twitter.com/loliwhacker Ryan Kiske

          I suppose you’re a transvestite since Poison is your avatar. What’s your point?

          • Anonymous

            He got none, that’s what it means being an unfiltered badass.

      • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

        Hahahaha.

      • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

        Hahahaha.

  • http://twitter.com/loliwhacker Ryan Kiske

    I find it hilarious that some people think this kind of speech is acceptable. Because of this, they screw over the whole community. I’m sure we will make it out of this everyone!

  • http://twitter.com/loliwhacker Ryan Kiske

    I find it hilarious that some people think this kind of speech is acceptable. Because of this, they screw over the whole community. I’m sure we will make it out of this everyone!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ALQKRMXU7KBIOIDLWWEMVRGT64 Olive

    You all play and watch people play video games. PEOPLE ARE BEING MURDERED IN THE THOUSANDS EVERY SECOND OF THE DAY. NO ONE IMPORTANT WILL EVER CARE ABOUT ANY OF THIS BS!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ALQKRMXU7KBIOIDLWWEMVRGT64 Olive

    You all play and watch people play video games. PEOPLE ARE BEING MURDERED IN THE THOUSANDS EVERY SECOND OF THE DAY. NO ONE IMPORTANT WILL EVER CARE ABOUT ANY OF THIS BS!!!

  • Anonymous

    Sexual Harassment is bad and all, but SRK taking away the WNF sponsorship is fucking retarded.

  • Anonymous

    Sexual Harassment is bad and all, but SRK taking away the WNF sponsorship is fucking retarded.

  • Anonymous

    I really don’t like the direction this is pushing things.  

    I kinda like that the FGC is offensive at times.  There are always jackasses wherever you go, so it’s refreshing to have a scene that stays real about it.  A place where people can be themselves even if they’re the biggest pieces of shit on the planet, united under the one thing they have in common.  As long as no physical harm is being done, I don’t see a real problem.  

    Censoring people who are ok with making sexual harassment jokes or saying other offensive things is really only going to cover up who these people really are, it isn’t going to change them.  They’re still thinking what they would have said.  Maybe I’m insane or something, but if I found that kind of thing offensive and off-putting, I’d rather that guy be as loud and proud of who he is as possible so that I know not to associate with him.  On the other hand, if I’m the kind of person that enjoys offensive humor and doesn’t see it in a serious light, I could go joke around with him and make a friend.

    Putting a mask on everyone just gives people false expectations.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/KUKNELDEN6QWNCPAJDTKFOIJBQ FGCAreRapists

    This is why the Japanese are superior to you Americans, Daigo doesn’t act like this, neither does Tokido.  Filthy gaijin scum.

    • James Kim

      I’m pretty sure you’re trolling, but for those that really think like that, this is a message to you. 

      “You’re dumb and delusional.” 

      • http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio

        ‘pretty sure’?

        • Anonymous

          baka

        • Anonymous

          baka

        • Anonymous

          baka

    • D Major

       http://youtu.be/QVHB2s9R6AE

      You’ll be shutting the fuck up at 00:14

    • http://twitter.com/TH30RY633K Alan Mueller

      You sir,are an arrogant dipshit. I agree Japanese players like Daigo are humble,but nationality has nothing to do with any of this. Take your feeling of superiority elsewhere,even if you really are Japanese. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/KUKNELDEN6QWNCPAJDTKFOIJBQ FGCAreRapists

    This is why the Japanese are superior to you Americans, Daigo doesn’t act like this, neither does Tokido.  Filthy gaijin scum.

  • http://www.facebook.com/KazamaBlood Cory Mewborn

    I really love the FGC. I mean sure the jokes that MaRN and Christian made were funny for some people, but others found it offensive, with the whole Aris/SuperYan drama that happened days ago. How are people gonna take the FGC seriously if we keep this up?

  • http://www.facebook.com/KazamaBlood Cory Mewborn

    I really love the FGC. I mean sure the jokes that MaRN and Christian made were funny for some people, but others found it offensive, with the whole Aris/SuperYan drama that happened days ago. How are people gonna take the FGC seriously if we keep this up?

  • http://twitter.com/TH30RY633K Alan Mueller

    Stop crying about it! Not long ago,you know what Dios X told me after getting beaten by him in MvC2? “You suck at this game,don’t even bother getting MvC3″. You will always have assholes in the FGC,on stream or off! Guess what? I still bought a copy of MvC3 and still play it,no matter how bad I can be,why? Because I don’t give a fuck about what some no-life troll said. I understand it is unprofessional to state personal comments on stream,but some of you should grow a pair of balls because this issue is only so big,so get over it. Dumbasses. -.-

  • http://www.facebook.com/miles.james1 Miles James

    Who the Fuck let Marn commentate in the first place? LevelUp Live should have known better. How dare they take away the Evo seeding points a lot of players worked so hard and deserved  because they let that fat sweaty dumb shit on the mic. Let support Esports = Shit on players that care 
    GOOD SHIT SRK and EVO ggs

  • Anonymous

    Seriously? Why do we have to pretend we’re something we’re not?  I mean, the FGC isn’t the United Nations or NBC, it’s essentially poker night with ur buddies, except  some of the more epic poker nights are broadcast on the internet.  

    Fighting games attract young men who get off on competition.  Young men who get off on competition who then get together to compete are gonna get nasty.  We say vile things when our blood gets pumping, that’s just the way it is.

    The good new is, almost everyone in this scene fits that description. So there’s not too much pressure to censor ourselves when we enjoy our hobby.  Which is good, because young men who get off on competition REALLY need to vent.  

    So at the end of the day, remember that this is still just poker night with the guys. If a girl shows up, she knows what to expect. We shouldn’t have to walk on eggshells just because there’s some cameras and some money in the mix.  

    • http://twitter.com/BRad480 B Rad

      It used to be poker night with the guys and the NFL used to be a bunch of washed up college players wrestling in the mud. The FGC community and the business side have both grown and it will continue to change as long as it grows. 
      Regardless “blowing off steam” and “she knows what to expect” is a joke of an excuse from someone who lacks the maturity to see what the issue is.

      • Anonymous

        I don’t even think you watch contact sports, watched ESPN, bought an arena/ring ticket, or even seen the average fan of them if you think they’re not as crude and machismo-fueled as the FGC. 

        Its just that since the players themselves are the audience, everything’s unfiltered for the masses.

        I rather much enjoy and laugh with perverts, idiots, sociopaths, and losers than be forced to censor and destroy the competitive edge, only to golfclap at projectile wars for the kids who are only interested in Capcom games in the first place.

        Heck, Starcraft, general MLG and WGC, and FPS tournaments have people talking shit too, its just that they aren’t new at all and supported by oodles of money. The fact FREAKING KOTAKU is downputting us shows nothing but hypocritical BULLSHIT.

      • Anonymous

        Lol, I don’t see many NFL games being broadcast from an Iphone. I think ur exaggerating our growth.  But even if it was, or let’s say we’re on track to become the NFL, we don’t have to be cool with it.  Don’t you enjoy having a place to hang out and be your self?

        Or are you this douchey in real life?

        • http://twitter.com/BRad480 B Rad

          Its a illustration of how things evolve as they grow. You may want to hold on to the past and fear change but change is going to happen regardless. Just because you “are not cool with it” doesn’t mean a thing. 

          • Anonymous

            Ugh, growth and evolution aren’t the same thing.  Some things get bigger and become diffused or they stagnate.

            I live in San Diego. About 10 yrs. ago a local band emerged here that caught everyone’s attention. They were talented, irreverent, and every show was a classic. We were all so proud when the band blew up and started getting national attention. MTV played their videos, the guys in the band became celebrities, they were epic. And that’s when Blink 182 started making shitty pop music for the masses. I don’t fear change, I’m experienced enough in life to see where this is going.Stop supplying convenient motives for my arguments just so it’s easy for you to dismiss them. It’s like I’m arguing with a woman.

          • Anonymous

            Ugh, growth and evolution aren’t the same thing.  Some things get bigger and become diffused or they stagnate.

            I live in San Diego. About 10 yrs. ago a local band emerged here that caught everyone’s attention. They were talented, irreverent, and every show was a classic. We were all so proud when the band blew up and started getting national attention. MTV played their videos, the guys in the band became celebrities, they were epic. And that’s when Blink 182 started making shitty pop music for the masses. I don’t fear change, I’m experienced enough in life to see where this is going.Stop supplying convenient motives for my arguments just so it’s easy for you to dismiss them. It’s like I’m arguing with a woman.

          • http://twitter.com/BRad480 B Rad

            Just say your scared of change. You’d rather be a small fish in a small pond then see the scene grow and expand to new people. You don’t own the FGC. Just like you didn’t have a say when Blink 182 changed their music to appeal to a large audience so they could make more money, you don’t have a say regarding the direction the FGC is going. Either adapt or move on to something else. It’s like I’m talking to a 12 year old hipster with a half grown mustache…. oh wait.

          • http://twitter.com/BRad480 B Rad

            Just say your scared of change. You’d rather be a small fish in a small pond then see the scene grow and expand to new people. You don’t own the FGC. Just like you didn’t have a say when Blink 182 changed their music to appeal to a large audience so they could make more money, you don’t have a say regarding the direction the FGC is going. Either adapt or move on to something else. It’s like I’m talking to a 12 year old hipster with a half grown mustache…. oh wait.

          • Anonymous

            Fully capable of adapting to change.  I’m resentful when the change is a negative one. Just because I don’t control the FGC  doesn’t mean I should sit quietly and smile while it gets castrated. I’m voicing my opinion and you’d prefer it if I didn’t make waves. It sounds like whatever change may come your way, good or bad, you’re gonna tow the company line. I bet you get date raped a lot .

    • Anonymous

      very well said in my opinion

    • Anonymous

      very well said in my opinion

    • James Kim

       Much respect

    • James Kim

       Much respect

    • James Kim

       Much respect

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5FLRQI2X2LU3IHMCG7HEAEFD5I Cat Astrophy

    umad Kotaku? Stay free.

    Seriously, if you don’t have a thick skin. You won’t survive.

    The people who are truly dicks and aren’t just messing around are going to get lambasted anyway, so stop whining.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jeremy.camps Jeremy Camps

    Wow, stop using this as an excuse to bash e-sports. Aris did the exact same thing to Kayo-Police at evo but it was acceptable back then.

    • Anonymous

      You know Kayo Police doesn’t speak English right?  He could been more colorful than he was and she would have just laughed, smiled, and nodded.  

      • http://www.facebook.com/jeremy.camps Jeremy Camps

         Oh that makes it ok then.

    • Anonymous

      You know Kayo Police doesn’t speak English right?  He could been more colorful than he was and she would have just laughed, smiled, and nodded.  

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5FLRQI2X2LU3IHMCG7HEAEFD5I Cat Astrophy

      Kayo Police literally begs for it. Huge difference compared to your average gamer.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5FLRQI2X2LU3IHMCG7HEAEFD5I Cat Astrophy

      Kayo Police literally begs for it. Huge difference compared to your average gamer.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5FLRQI2X2LU3IHMCG7HEAEFD5I Cat Astrophy

      Kayo Police literally begs for it. Huge difference compared to your average gamer.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jeremy.camps Jeremy Camps

    Wow, stop using this as an excuse to bash e-sports. Aris did the exact same thing to Kayo-Police at evo but it was acceptable back then.

  • D Major

     That’s all fine and dandy but the fact is the streaming aspect and everything that is popular about it came from the community itself. A community of friends who speak unfiltered around each other.

  • D Major

     That’s all fine and dandy but the fact is the streaming aspect and everything that is popular about it came from the community itself. A community of friends who speak unfiltered around each other.

  • Anonymous

     WNF is just mild entertainment for me.

  • http://twitter.com/dommafia dommafia

    fuck u ashilyn, and fuck srk pulling the points and sponsorship… what the fuck is this shit.. one fucking incident by one fucking guy and a bunch of shitty media portals jump on it for views (ad money) and now the whole fucking fgc is bowing down?

    Get the fuck outta here. You can be against sexual harassment without the extra cow towing to these fucking people that dont do shit for or are part of the community. Holy fuck. It’s just like all these shit going on in radio where no one can say shit without a group of people getting offended and having that ONE incident have sweeping repercussions all over the place. 

    Book: Adam Carolla – in 50 years we’ll all be chicks

    Read it. 

    • http://twitter.com/TH30RY633K Alan Mueller

      Unfortunately it’s either some men are not the way men used to be,or society is ass-backwards. We can produce shows about the life of club-goers always talking about drinking and fucking,but so much as one sexual comment is dropped on stream and everyone shits themselves in disgrace. lol XD

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001743622547 Zane Hayden

    Let’s try to remember that this entire fucking fiasco stemmed from Sherry not doing anything about Aris from day 1. Didn’t call him out point blank, so it continued, but everyone knows this is how Aris acts half the time, half just trolling, half being a damn creep. But Capcom wanted drama for a reality show, and knew the personalities they were picking. Remember, Rockefeller has a reputation for vulgar but still joking commentary, the dude’s goddamn catchphrase is “Is your dick hot when you stick in nacho sauce?”.

    Point is, yes this whole incident made the community look inward at itself, but there’s still the underlying truth that the community has low female membership. Does this mean everyone has to fucking drop their jacket on the puddles for them, or do we just have to remember that we’re expanding and we deserve to look decent most of the time. And a shame this has to come on the heels of Final Round, one of the biggest symbols of how great the community is.

    Yes, this community has gone through it’s fair share of controversy. Triforce, Marn and GG, Marvel’s ‘thug’ culture, Evo 2005 and 2008, whatever. The joking around of Marn and Chris just shows that the player base at large doesn’t think the issue will have much long-lasting impact (I don’t). Today’s sensationalist news for the big gaming sites will be old in a month at best in my opinion. 

    But for now, we should probably just keep our heads down at weather the storm of the intellectuals over at PA and Reddit, who needs em. That, or flood the sites with examples of why the FGC is better than this, which Kotaku seems to be (hypocritically) doing.

    As for me, I’m just another stream monster and online groaner. I rarely get the chance to get out to my local scene, and the only thing I can think that’ll improve the situation is if more female players get out in the scene. We don’t have to be squeaky clean and boring like esports, we just need to keep being ourselves, minus the sexism thing. The big sites don’t seem to care about tourney brackets or any of that stuff that really boils people’s blood anyhow.

    Peace.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nathanial-P-Connor/1557216555 Nathanial P Connor

      You mean Miranda, Sherry doesn’t give a fuck.

      Also if you don’t think this will have any long term effect, you’re wrong. It may die down a bit sure, but now that it IS in the public eye, it will also be in the eye for sponsors. Sponsors will actively ask that their product not be represented in FG streams and anything that effects the money, WILL effect the community.

      • James Kim

         Sherry will tell you “No.. No you may not.”   

        Miranda is a hopeless adult baby. 

        • http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio

          Don’t EVER blame the victim in a harassment case.  You have no idea what it’s like to be in the situation she was in, and beyond that he had a responsibility to not be that way and Capcom had a responsibility to make him stop.

          Sherry, on the other hand, is part of the problem.  

        • http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio

          Don’t EVER blame the victim in a harassment case.  You have no idea what it’s like to be in the situation she was in, and beyond that he had a responsibility to not be that way and Capcom had a responsibility to make him stop.

          Sherry, on the other hand, is part of the problem.  

          • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

            Stop calling Miranda a victim. If we’re going to use the term victim so loosely, what about all of those victims of Miranda? You know. The ones she screwed out of the opportunity of a life-time just by getting onto the show in the first place only to drop-out because she wasn’t woman enough to stand up for herself on day one? 

          • http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio

            … Wow.

            You know absolutely nothing about actual harassment, and are a terrible person.  In a position like hers there are all kinds of pressures on people to not speak up and complain.  That’s how the whole thing works.

            Also, wasn’t your ‘last post’ supposed to be an hour ago?

          • Anonymous

            You’re a child, this is adult talk, know your place.

        • http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio

          Don’t EVER blame the victim in a harassment case.  You have no idea what it’s like to be in the situation she was in, and beyond that he had a responsibility to not be that way and Capcom had a responsibility to make him stop.

          Sherry, on the other hand, is part of the problem.  

      • James Kim

         Sherry will tell you “No.. No you may not.”   

        Miranda is a hopeless adult baby. 

    • Anonymous

      honestly I’m pretty sure this happened because Aris is a creepy piece of shit

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001743622547 Zane Hayden

    Let’s try to remember that this entire fucking fiasco stemmed from Sherry not doing anything about Aris from day 1. Didn’t call him out point blank, so it continued, but everyone knows this is how Aris acts half the time, half just trolling, half being a damn creep. But Capcom wanted drama for a reality show, and knew the personalities they were picking. Remember, Rockefeller has a reputation for vulgar but still joking commentary, the dude’s goddamn catchphrase is “Is your dick hot when you stick in nacho sauce?”.

    Point is, yes this whole incident made the community look inward at itself, but there’s still the underlying truth that the community has low female membership. Does this mean everyone has to fucking drop their jacket on the puddles for them, or do we just have to remember that we’re expanding and we deserve to look decent most of the time. And a shame this has to come on the heels of Final Round, one of the biggest symbols of how great the community is.

    Yes, this community has gone through it’s fair share of controversy. Triforce, Marn and GG, Marvel’s ‘thug’ culture, Evo 2005 and 2008, whatever. The joking around of Marn and Chris just shows that the player base at large doesn’t think the issue will have much long-lasting impact (I don’t). Today’s sensationalist news for the big gaming sites will be old in a month at best in my opinion. 

    But for now, we should probably just keep our heads down at weather the storm of the intellectuals over at PA and Reddit, who needs em. That, or flood the sites with examples of why the FGC is better than this, which Kotaku seems to be (hypocritically) doing.

    As for me, I’m just another stream monster and online groaner. I rarely get the chance to get out to my local scene, and the only thing I can think that’ll improve the situation is if more female players get out in the scene. We don’t have to be squeaky clean and boring like esports, we just need to keep being ourselves, minus the sexism thing. The big sites don’t seem to care about tourney brackets or any of that stuff that really boils people’s blood anyhow.

    Peace.

  • Anonymous

    Indeed, this kind of petty, mean-spirited crap should not be tolerated and the people that condone and even outright endorse should be ashamed of themselves. Guys like Aris give gaming in general a bad name and don’t deserve respect.

    • Anonymous

      Yes let’s stuff Aris and all the other “bad” people under the rug so we can look prettier for the camera.

    • Anonymous

      Yes let’s stuff Aris and all the other “bad” people under the rug so we can look prettier for the camera.

    • Anonymous

      Yes let’s stuff Aris and all the other “bad” people under the rug so we can look prettier for the camera.

      • Anonymous

        he was being a mouth-breathing, sexist jackass. Being nice to people should not be that hard.

        • Anonymous

          At least you know Aris is a “mouth-breathing” (that’s not very nice…), sexist jackass.  He could’ve just put on a mask for the camera like everyone else does.

          • Anonymous

            …what are you even TALKING about with the mask thing?  Non-sequitors do not make for compelling arguments.

          • Anonymous

            Do you even know what a non-sequitor is?  That fact that you don’t even realize that most people put on a mask in front of the camera is fucking sad.  I’m saying that at least Aris was being honest about who he was, and that your kind of attitude is just going to push people to pretend to be something else.  It’s not making the community a “better place” it’s just covering things up so we look nicer for the cameras.

          • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

            Oh nice, I didn’t know non-sequitor meant the same thing as metaphor.  That’s good to know

          • Anonymous

            being an “honest” pig is still being a pig. Don’t give me that kind of bullshit logic spewed by bigots and losers. I’m done, and I’m not sorry that Aris actually might have to reexamine himself and act like a mature human being.

          • Anonymous

            You’re completely missing my point.  There’s a lot of “dishonest” pigs out there.  People like Aris aren’t going to “reexamine” themselves.  You’re very ignorant of the real world it seems.

          • Anonymous

            You’re completely missing my point.  There’s a lot of “dishonest” pigs out there.  People like Aris aren’t going to “reexamine” themselves.  You’re very ignorant of the real world it seems.

          • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

            Being a masked pig (such as Jared Rea) is still being a pig.

            What does it matter how exposed one is?

  • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

    Also, why are you trying to appease Kotaku and these other blogs who didn’t care about us until we were the scum of the earth? Check your priorities.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nathanial-P-Connor/1557216555 Nathanial P Connor

      Almost like they hate us for us growing despite their lack of coverage and gross ignorance of our scene.

      That being said, Kotaku isn’t nearly as bad as others.

      • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

        I can respect that.

    • http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio

      they have a business to run.

      • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

        It’s sad that tabloids still make good business

    • http://twitter.com/windsagio windsagio

      they have a business to run.

  • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

    Also, why are you trying to appease Kotaku and these other blogs who didn’t care about us until we were the scum of the earth? Check your priorities.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=706635272 Mike Feldman

    So… EVO’s going to have a respect and decency panel, right?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1178303859 Jon McGuire

    Man, I wish this shit would blow over already. Who fucking CARES! Can we just get back to playing fighting games and having fun?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1178303859 Jon McGuire

    Man, I wish this shit would blow over already. Who fucking CARES! Can we just get back to playing fighting games and having fun?

  • http://twitter.com/_Esca__ Mark

    And… no one in the Capcom offices is throwing shit against wall after seeing all these bad press when trying to advertise there new game.

    Well done community.

  • http://twitter.com/_Esca__ Mark

    And… no one in the Capcom offices is throwing shit against wall after seeing all these bad press when trying to advertise there new game.

    Well done community.

  • http://twitter.com/RxUrien Deepak Sharma

    It’s a sad day when the hot topic on SRK isn’t about the games we love and play, or new technology, but rather the drama that surrounds the scene.
    The issues have been addressed, and while I don’t fully agree with the censorship and sensitive attitude towards what happened, I can respect those people that do. We wouldn’t be a community if we fully agreed to one solution of a complex problem. Let’s just move on from this, and keep in mind that there are those with differing opinions that makes the FGC so unique. We can keep our raw attitude; we just need to realize that there are boundaries, and once those are crossed, that’s when shit gets scandalous. I’d much rather have the whole of the FGC consensus debate what’s right and what’s wrong instead of having garbage “gaming” sites like Destructoid, GiantBomb , and Kotaku tell us and the ignorant others not part of the FGC what to believe and profit from our misfortunes while contributing NOTHING to the scene. The FGC is as real as it gets, and that’s why I love it, but even real talk needs to be toned down in certain places and situations. Ultimately, this isn’t about eSports or sponsorships. This is about the FGC growing as a whole and proving to itself first and foremost that it can incorporate everyone, regardless of gender, culture, or race. Aside from this incident, I say we’re doing a damn good job of it, certainly a million times better than any of the other gaming scenes out there.

    Now with that said, I do not agree at all with SRK pulling their backing, and more importantly, EVO points from LevelUp and the attendees. Really SRK? Hypocrisy much? The top article is titled “More Than A Video Game”, yet you’re chastising everyone who participated at WNF these last two months, giving their time, energy, and dedication to place higher in the largest gaming tournament, just because of the words and actions of a few. When people are putting in this much work to attend EVO, trying to win prizes, cash, and higher seed points to compete and play in the games they love, you treat them like this? These aren’t “just video games’; they are more, MUCH more than that. Hell, we wouldn’t even be having these discussions or competing at all if these were “just video games”. Who would even give a shit about EVO in the first place if people didn’t take these games seriously?

    You want justice for the actions and opinions of the few who offended the scene, right SRK? Fine, you got it. Now tell me, where is the fucking justice in what you’re doing to the rest?

  • http://twitter.com/RxUrien Deepak Sharma

    It’s a sad day when the hot topic on SRK isn’t about the games we love and play, or new technology, but rather the drama that surrounds the scene.
    The issues have been addressed, and while I don’t fully agree with the censorship and sensitive attitude towards what happened, I can respect those people that do. We wouldn’t be a community if we fully agreed to one solution of a complex problem. Let’s just move on from this, and keep in mind that there are those with differing opinions that makes the FGC so unique. We can keep our raw attitude; we just need to realize that there are boundaries, and once those are crossed, that’s when shit gets scandalous. I’d much rather have the whole of the FGC consensus debate what’s right and what’s wrong instead of having garbage “gaming” sites like Destructoid, GiantBomb , and Kotaku tell us and the ignorant others not part of the FGC what to believe and profit from our misfortunes while contributing NOTHING to the scene. The FGC is as real as it gets, and that’s why I love it, but even real talk needs to be toned down in certain places and situations. Ultimately, this isn’t about eSports or sponsorships. This is about the FGC growing as a whole and proving to itself first and foremost that it can incorporate everyone, regardless of gender, culture, or race. Aside from this incident, I say we’re doing a damn good job of it, certainly a million times better than any of the other gaming scenes out there.

    Now with that said, I do not agree at all with SRK pulling their backing, and more importantly, EVO points from LevelUp and the attendees. Really SRK? Hypocrisy much? The top article is titled “More Than A Video Game”, yet you’re chastising everyone who participated at WNF these last two months, giving their time, energy, and dedication to place higher in the largest gaming tournament, just because of the words and actions of a few. When people are putting in this much work to attend EVO, trying to win prizes, cash, and higher seed points to compete and play in the games they love, you treat them like this? These aren’t “just video games’; they are more, MUCH more than that. Hell, we wouldn’t even be having these discussions or competing at all if these were “just video games”. Who would even give a shit about EVO in the first place if people didn’t take these games seriously?

    You want justice for the actions and opinions of the few who offended the scene, right SRK? Fine, you got it. Now tell me, where is the fucking justice in what you’re doing to the rest?

  • http://twitter.com/RxUrien Deepak Sharma

    It’s a sad day when the hot topic on SRK isn’t about the games we love and play, or new technology, but rather the drama that surrounds the scene.
    The issues have been addressed, and while I don’t fully agree with the censorship and sensitive attitude towards what happened, I can respect those people that do. We wouldn’t be a community if we fully agreed to one solution of a complex problem. Let’s just move on from this, and keep in mind that there are those with differing opinions that makes the FGC so unique. We can keep our raw attitude; we just need to realize that there are boundaries, and once those are crossed, that’s when shit gets scandalous. I’d much rather have the whole of the FGC consensus debate what’s right and what’s wrong instead of having garbage “gaming” sites like Destructoid, GiantBomb , and Kotaku tell us and the ignorant others not part of the FGC what to believe and profit from our misfortunes while contributing NOTHING to the scene. The FGC is as real as it gets, and that’s why I love it, but even real talk needs to be toned down in certain places and situations. Ultimately, this isn’t about eSports or sponsorships. This is about the FGC growing as a whole and proving to itself first and foremost that it can incorporate everyone, regardless of gender, culture, or race. Aside from this incident, I say we’re doing a damn good job of it, certainly a million times better than any of the other gaming scenes out there.

    Now with that said, I do not agree at all with SRK pulling their backing, and more importantly, EVO points from LevelUp and the attendees. Really SRK? Hypocrisy much? The top article is titled “More Than A Video Game”, yet you’re chastising everyone who participated at WNF these last two months, giving their time, energy, and dedication to place higher in the largest gaming tournament, just because of the words and actions of a few. When people are putting in this much work to attend EVO, trying to win prizes, cash, and higher seed points to compete and play in the games they love, you treat them like this? These aren’t “just video games’; they are more, MUCH more than that. Hell, we wouldn’t even be having these discussions or competing at all if these were “just video games”. Who would even give a shit about EVO in the first place if people didn’t take these games seriously?

    You want justice for the actions and opinions of the few who offended the scene, right SRK? Fine, you got it. Now tell me, where is the fucking justice in what you’re doing to the rest?

    • Anonymous

       ”You want justice for the actions and opinions of the few who offended
      the scene, right SRK? Fine, you got it. Now tell me, where is the
      fucking justice in what you’re doing to the rest?”

      You do realize what site this is, right? You do know what kind of people here inhabit this site and post comments here right? I’m assuming you haven’t read the past few hundred comments in support of this offensive behavior

  • Anthony Seel

    I drove 3 hours round trip yesterday to win $41 at a Soul Calibur Tourney.  It could have been $4 and I would still have been there.  However if you take away the soul of the community, I don’t give a shit if you pay out $100 grand, I won’t be there.

    • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

      And this is how most people who actually love fighting games feels. Thank you for your testimonial, sir. I really am sad, because I expect SRK to tell these blogs to stick it up their rear-ends for not taking the time to understand our community. I suppose they’d rather bow down and take the easy way out, which is fine. I don’t hate the people here since I know they’re all generally good people. It’s just a shame that they feel like this is the way the community must go.

    • http://twitter.com/WristbandStereo Jeremy

      And this is how most people who actually love fighting games feels. Thank you for your testimonial, sir. I really am sad, because I expect SRK to tell these blogs to stick it up their rear-ends for not taking the time to understand our community. I suppose they’d rather bow down and take the easy way out, which is fine. I don’t hate the people here since I know they’re all generally good people. It’s just a shame that they feel like this is the way the community must go.

  • Anonymous

    Ugh, the FGC is getting bodied by estrogen in 2012. 
    Stay free, guys who thought this was just a hobby. Turns out we’re role models now, like professional athletes.

    • James Kim

      haha fucking hilarious.  So true man.

    • James Kim

      haha fucking hilarious.  So true man.

    • James Kim

      haha fucking hilarious.  So true man.

    • James Kim

      haha fucking hilarious.  So true man.

    • James Kim

      haha fucking hilarious.  So true man.

  • Mash Harder

    Hahaha! Kotaku invades SRK. 
    Article written or sponsored by someone the FGC snubbed no doubt.

  • D Major

    “FUCK YOU DAIGO!” -Raoh *crowd erupts with laughter*

    Today Raoh gets banned, loses EVO points, and some SRK goody 2 shoes doucher writes a blog about it.

  • http://twitter.com/MssngPrsnC4NT Corey Lanier

    Without knowing the full situation regarding the decision, I can understand pulling sponsorship, but seeding points?  Unless Marn & Christian were getting seeding points, that seems pointless, and if they were, why not just rescind their points and let everyone else keep theirs?  Why punish other people for someone else’s insensitivity?

  • Doctor Claw

    I personally found Marn and Christian’s comments to be rather light-hearted in comparison to the Aris debacle. I just hope this doesn’t mean we’ll never hear Yipes again. That dude is a commentating GOD.

    Another thing: I find it just so hilarious that people are so SHOCKED that this kind of behavior goes on in a circle dominated by males in an activity comparatively few women are (or ever have been) interested in. It doesn’t excuse it — I’m just saying, “Why are you SHOCKED?”

    Look, harrassment (sexual, or otherwise) has no place in the community. And now that the FGC is indeed going corporate, it is time to “dress up for the cameras”. We all get that. However…

    Call me a cynic. Call me a pessimist. But cutting all the douchey, harrassy, rapey behavior out and so on and so forth… just isn’t going to change things. Chicks aren’t going to be into it like that… some will, but many won’t. If I’m wrong, may I drive a Vauxhall Cavalier off a ledge to my impending death.

  • http://twitter.com/masang_lion masang_lion

    it’s ridiculous how it has even come to the point where you need to write articles about this. thie whole community is sad.

  • Anonymous

    wow…how long has commentary like this been going on in the FGC? as long as i can remember and no one (including Keitz) has condoned it and now all of a sudden we have to turn our “filters” on for everything and have Ultrachen commentary 24/7 (not saying thats bad, but its nice when Tasty Steve or Jwong gets on) and now we probably won’t have that. RIP FGC was fun while it lasted.

  • http://evolcorp.net/art/ The Orz

    I think it’s time the FGC figured out its own identity or at the very least split into two unique communities: the community that desperately wants to be accepted and recognized by the mainstream gaming media and the community that prefers to remain underground and elitist.

    Or remove yourselves from the idea of a community and just enjoy the games and competition without pigeonholing yourselves (or looking like a gaggle of maladjusted boys and man-children).

  • Anonymous

    Seems to me that according to most comments here, people care far more about money and being noticed at the tournament scene than actually being decent people. You can hide behind the “thick skin”, “you’re a white knight” and “pussy” insults all you want, but all it does is speak a lot about your character.

    “How dare you take away a group just because of two people saying something really?! That’s being excessive!” Well, considering the nature of these comments on this site as well as others, I’m not surprised Inkblot’s view is broad; because from what I’ve seen, a lot of people act like self-entitled jerks who never heard of such words as “respect” or “consideration” in a dictionary, not to mention most of the FGC is composed of males whom at one point thought that the story of a video game thought it was setting back women’s rights about several years,

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/WZRLIV6GIJZQB2J6AYCYBH3EVQ Nugga

       Respect is earned not givin

      • Anonymous

         Naturally. Unfortunately, people also demand for it as well

      • Anonymous

         Naturally. Unfortunately, people also demand for it as well

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/WZRLIV6GIJZQB2J6AYCYBH3EVQ Nugga

       Respect is earned not givin

  • http://www.fightercon.com William Traylor

    so lets recap shall we…

    Cross Assault – Initial wakeup hit on sexual harassment – Capcom alpha counters and apologizes

    SRK – writes beyond the drama piece and covers that situation…Aris essentially gets bodied.

    WNF – Marn & ETR unintentionally ruins esports by having a opinion and taste for cute girls… tactics exposed.

    Kotaku – A wild article appears dissing the whole issue…. – IT’S SUPER EFFECTIVE!!!

    SRK – article written to aggro level up and wipe the board…X-Factor engaged.

    Level up – weak against x-factor plus guard stun DHC’s into Apologies and policy structure.. tosses two commentators in the process.

    Community – Justifiably Salty on All Fronts.

    DRAW GAME… No winners.

    You can continue but only if you have a brain V-chip so it will prevent thought footies.

    • http://www.facebook.com/thurl Thurl Bailey Jr

      -6/10

  • Anonymous

    lol im not sure Capcom would care about the comments about the NOS girls. They are the guys who came out with this

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg1nTHKe_aQ

    • Anonymous

      Man, she really has seen “untold horrors”. That table was gross, and she touched it to check if it was really jizz. 

    • Anonymous

      Man, she really has seen “untold horrors”. That table was gross, and she touched it to check if it was really jizz. 

  • http://twitter.com/TH30RY633K Alan Mueller

    They felt it was okay to make a statement because look at the viewers;We are called stream monsters for a reason! No one flipped shit when we were shooting jokes saying “Grab a titty,squeeze” during NEC when the unknown player wearing the undershirt was against Magneto.

  • http://twitter.com/TH30RY633K Alan Mueller

    They felt it was okay to make a statement because look at the viewers;We are called stream monsters for a reason! No one flipped shit when we were shooting jokes saying “Grab a titty,squeeze” during NEC when the unknown player wearing the undershirt was against Magneto.

  • Anonymous

    All the things these guys say on stream, you could also see on cable tv. Don’t people know how raunchy modern cable tv is? Granted I don’t like the idea of the FGC being like because I hate how raunchy everything is, but it shouldn’t be surprising either.

    Someone needs to bring some class back with more professional commentary.

  • Anonymous

    All the things these guys say on stream, you could also see on cable tv. Don’t people know how raunchy modern cable tv is? Granted I don’t like the idea of the FGC being like because I hate how raunchy everything is, but it shouldn’t be surprising either.

    Someone needs to bring some class back with more professional commentary.

  • D Major

    Holla at me when Capcom puts James Chen and Ultra David references in one of their games.

    “Mag-*CENSORED BY SRK & EVO*ing-Neto

  • D Major

    Holla at me when Capcom puts James Chen and Ultra David references in one of their games.

    “Mag-*CENSORED BY SRK & EVO*ing-Neto

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=501909299 Chaan Niccaples Thomas

    Ex post facto. This stuff has been going on for YEARS in to FGC. If you want to say that this behavior isn’t ok then cool, but warnings need to be issued, and some sort of formalism of what is and isn’t ok needs to be put in place. Such an abrupt move without actually drawing the line somewhere is bullshit on the part of SRK. Not only is it bullshit, it’s hypocrisy. SRK, one of the proverbial leaders of the FGC, has built a community/following out of fostering and being a haven for such behavior. Now that this popularity has reached a critical point it’s understandable that what was once acceptable may no longer be so, but it’s wrong to punish people for a culture that you profited from because you said nothing for over a decade.

    Bitch move SRK. Bitch move.

  • Anonymous

    my comment is for SRK staff….

    will you be pulling out of other streams as well? as this problem is not only the fault of WNF or levelup, it is a “problem” that is rampant across the community as a whole including your own SRK online streams and events.

    i understand that in order to make something like this sweep it’s self under the rug neatly and quickly you need to punish the biggest contributor as an example. this is a fact of life, it happens all the time. 

    i hope you and your staff don’t show up to any level up event at all because then your actions and words are as meaningless and empty as aris saying sorry. in doing what you are doing, you let aris and others who think like him win, regardless of your actions going forward. 

    i am not defending the hurtful bigots that exist in the FGC nor do i think it is right for people to be miss treated in anyway shape or form, i just feel that the hard work of many of the good people at levelup and WNF are being directly effected by something that you yourselves can not rid your selves of, and allowing a tabloid news publication like kotaku or youtube directly influence a decision you could have made many years ago is wrong in a multitude of ways.

    if you continue to act this way you are only allowing yourself to be wrapped up in something that takes the beauty, skill, and sportsmanship out of fighting games and as someone new to this “scene” i think you are not realizing that by sending the message that you are not willing to support WNF or any stream that promotes this kind of behaviour you are directly going to cause the next ice age for fighting games. A better solution to this problem would be to ban players involved from events for their words and actions, this will get the message across i am sure, then to destroy the hard work of so many people.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D6WALE72HWWRXDOIZDVDCYIXEY Villain85

    I don’t think the comments were bad, but what a bad time to make them. You had to know that wasn’t going to sit well.

    Honestly, props to SRK for sending a strong message. As you can see by a lot of the comments, it hasn’t set in, but straight up, this is a clear statement by one of the FGC leaders that this shit is unacceptable.

    And you can say whatever you want about it. “Oh she was passive, her fault” or “You need to be thick skinned and take harassment in this scene”. Bullshit. What kind of wanna-gangster, macho horse shit is that exactly? “I’m so fucking badass, I survived the fighting game scene!”

    Truth: The scene is growing, it’s getting bigger, and it’s becoming mainstream. It’s fine to joke with your bros and do your thing when you’re not on stream, but you stick a mic in someone’s face, or get someone to announce, that person is now a rep for the scene. So when you’re on camera, talking about a female competitor’s thighs for 13 straight minutes, you’re doing it wrong, and you’re doing a complete disservice to the people who have been trying to grow the scene for years.

    It’s sink or swim man. The only way the FCG grows beyond this is to set up some standards and establish some professionalism. Some might think the scene is going the wrong way, but they’ll tell you the right way is “this is who we are”. No, these might have been the roots of a scene that was never going to fill more than a bingo hall for a tournament, but things change, and this shit needs to mature and grow if it’s ever going to be successful. Players need to get paid, sponsored, and these scene has to develop into something big.

    The biggest thing I hear is “you had to be tough back at the arcade” and I have nothing but mad respect for the arcade scene, but let’s be real. Arcades are dead – it’s not a good idea to tie the FGC future to arcades in 2012, and shedding the sexism and racism isn’t a bad thing.

    Once this all blows over, things can chill again – this is just being blown out of proportion because the community obviously wasn’t mature enough, and ready for this level of exposure. Hopefully we learn and grow from all of this. If we don’t, then this is the end of the line, and as big as this is going to get. Nobody wants that. 

    • http://twitter.com/BRad480 B Rad

      Well said.

    • http://twitter.com/BRad480 B Rad

      Well said.

    • Anonymous

      indeed; I don’t see what’s so difficult about just being polite or nice to people. What Aris was doing was not just being a jackass, he was two steps away from a molestation charge. And the fact that people are standing up for this guy just baffles me. 

    • Anonymous

      Pretty much what this guy said.

    • http://www.fightercon.com William Traylor

      while i agree with most of what you said…they can’t have it both ways… you can’t expect mad hype for a game and then in heated moments or what not to stay PR…. that doesn’t even happen in football or other non – esports situations….People get emotional and americans especially express their feelings openly and verbally thus as you said before rulesets need to be applied and then that person not the Community pay for their actions, don’t punish level up because I have a opinion on something… It’s like people stop reading the Constitution after We the People. -_-’

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D6WALE72HWWRXDOIZDVDCYIXEY Villain85

        I disagree man. You can express yourself without embarrassing your profession – that’s one of the things that makes athletes professionals.

        Like in hockey when a guy won’t fight, the other dude might take him out in the media. “I thought he was a spineless coward – step up.” Maybe he swears a bit, gets fined by the league – whatever.

        He didn’t go beyond that line. You can still have hype without crossing that line. When that guy didn’t fight in hockey, or pulled a cheap shot in football, they didn’t come out and say “What a gay bitch. Next match he’s gonna get raped.”

        Same with even something like MMA. You can’t tweet about rape. Hell, you can’t even say you’re going to ‘murder someone’ in a match because it’s just not accepted, and it’s not the image the profession wants to portray as a whole.

        This scene needs that. The UFC knew it had to grow, and for a sport that is violent and bloody, they’ve grown to mainstream under professionalism and standards. Their community, and their fighters, haven’t suffered – they’ve gotten more exposure, more TV time, and fatter paycheques. Surely we can do this for a video game.

        As for the punishment – tough pill to swallow. I half agree with that, but SRK stepped up and made a strong statement. Laying the hammer down on maturing this community for real exposure.

        • Anonymous

          example, the recent heavyweight boxing title match between Dereck Chisora and Vitali Klitschko. The challenger, Chisora, was an unsportsmanlike, arrogant jackass, including slapping the champion during the weigh-in, and even spitting water in the face of Vitali’s brother Wladimir. Chisora, after suffering a humiliating defeat despite his boasting as well getting involved in a fight with fellow British boxer David Haye in the post-match press conference, has been put on indefinite suspension by the World Boxing Council and required to take anger management courses in order for the brass to reexamine his privileges. Sometimes a heavy hand is the ONLY one people will listen to.

        • Anonymous

          example, the recent heavyweight boxing title match between Dereck Chisora and Vitali Klitschko. The challenger, Chisora, was an unsportsmanlike, arrogant jackass, including slapping the champion during the weigh-in, and even spitting water in the face of Vitali’s brother Wladimir. Chisora, after suffering a humiliating defeat despite his boasting as well getting involved in a fight with fellow British boxer David Haye in the post-match press conference, has been put on indefinite suspension by the World Boxing Council and required to take anger management courses in order for the brass to reexamine his privileges. Sometimes a heavy hand is the ONLY one people will listen to.

        • http://www.fightercon.com William Traylor

          But see that’s my point right there… 

          I am all for enforcing responsibility on the individual responsible but don’t bastardize the community because someones a moron… if that’s the case you do i see in office about my tax money being spent on green energy i didn’t sign up for or vote for…and so on..Its not whether the issue was a negative or positive the situation should have been “look we have concerns lets address this the proper way sit down with everyone and has this out”. Then and only then a ruleset and guidelines for sponsored tournaments  that MEANS something will carry the community. Cause as it stands now that’s not even close to happening yet.I’m not against you your points are solid and i concur with everything, but If we are heading in that direction (E-SPORTS) Then don’t half ass it make it legit,
          make it viable.  Roll me a commitee or establish FGNO (Fighting Game National Organization,) and lets get on with this. 

          My problem is people telling how to be without laying down rules.
          Even households do that. My house  my rules…
          Yo House your rules…
          Thats all anyone can ask for.

        • http://www.fightercon.com William Traylor

          But see that’s my point right there… 

          I am all for enforcing responsibility on the individual responsible but don’t bastardize the community because someones a moron… if that’s the case you do i see in office about my tax money being spent on green energy i didn’t sign up for or vote for…and so on..Its not whether the issue was a negative or positive the situation should have been “look we have concerns lets address this the proper way sit down with everyone and has this out”. Then and only then a ruleset and guidelines for sponsored tournaments  that MEANS something will carry the community. Cause as it stands now that’s not even close to happening yet.I’m not against you your points are solid and i concur with everything, but If we are heading in that direction (E-SPORTS) Then don’t half ass it make it legit,
          make it viable.  Roll me a commitee or establish FGNO (Fighting Game National Organization,) and lets get on with this. 

          My problem is people telling how to be without laying down rules.
          Even households do that. My house  my rules…
          Yo House your rules…
          Thats all anyone can ask for.

        • http://www.fightercon.com William Traylor

          But see that’s my point right there… 

          I am all for enforcing responsibility on the individual responsible but don’t bastardize the community because someones a moron… if that’s the case you do i see in office about my tax money being spent on green energy i didn’t sign up for or vote for…and so on..Its not whether the issue was a negative or positive the situation should have been “look we have concerns lets address this the proper way sit down with everyone and has this out”. Then and only then a ruleset and guidelines for sponsored tournaments  that MEANS something will carry the community. Cause as it stands now that’s not even close to happening yet.I’m not against you your points are solid and i concur with everything, but If we are heading in that direction (E-SPORTS) Then don’t half ass it make it legit,
          make it viable.  Roll me a commitee or establish FGNO (Fighting Game National Organization,) and lets get on with this. 

          My problem is people telling how to be without laying down rules.
          Even households do that. My house  my rules…
          Yo House your rules…
          Thats all anyone can ask for.

        • http://www.fightercon.com William Traylor

          But see that’s my point right there… 

          I am all for enforcing responsibility on the individual responsible but don’t bastardize the community because someones a moron… if that’s the case you do i see in office about my tax money being spent on green energy i didn’t sign up for or vote for…and so on..Its not whether the issue was a negative or positive the situation should have been “look we have concerns lets address this the proper way sit down with everyone and has this out”. Then and only then a ruleset and guidelines for sponsored tournaments  that MEANS something will carry the community. Cause as it stands now that’s not even close to happening yet.I’m not against you your points are solid and i concur with everything, but If we are heading in that direction (E-SPORTS) Then don’t half ass it make it legit,
          make it viable.  Roll me a commitee or establish FGNO (Fighting Game National Organization,) and lets get on with this. 

          My problem is people telling how to be without laying down rules.
          Even households do that. My house  my rules…
          Yo House your rules…
          Thats all anyone can ask for.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2QXNSACHTAUIZLOB5WHPLK77SI Ian

     >SRK pulling sponsorship from WNF

    I think you guys are a bunch of big whiny babies.

  • Anonymous

    Yo fuck this esports bullshit. Say whatever the fuck you say and do whatever the fuck you do. Marn and the other dude WERE JUST DICKIN AROUND for christ’s sake. I seriously cant believe this shit, like this article really just made me mad. People are so soft now its almost depressing… People really cant just joke around with friends anymore without getting sued or something huh. This is so redick… 

  • Anonymous

    Yo fuck this esports bullshit. Say whatever the fuck you say and do whatever the fuck you do. Marn and the other dude WERE JUST DICKIN AROUND for christ’s sake. I seriously cant believe this shit, like this article really just made me mad. People are so soft now its almost depressing… People really cant just joke around with friends anymore without getting sued or something huh. This is so redick… 

  • http://twitter.com/michaelpohara Mike O’Hara

    Marn does not represent my views as far as the FGC goes. Good on ya inkblot for putting the hammer down on stupid bullshit like this. 

    We can still be hype and pop off at tourneys and majors, but we also need to be grown-ass men and women and be respectful of one another. That’s the way I see things.

  • http://twitter.com/michaelpohara Mike O’Hara

    Marn does not represent my views as far as the FGC goes. Good on ya inkblot for putting the hammer down on stupid bullshit like this. 

    We can still be hype and pop off at tourneys and majors, but we also need to be grown-ass men and women and be respectful of one another. That’s the way I see things.

  • http://twitter.com/Vash419 Vash419

    this is ridiculous, another way for some nobody to be made famous

  • http://twitter.com/Vash419 Vash419

    this is ridiculous, another way for some nobody to be made famous

  • http://www.socialvideogaming.com/ SteveO GameO

    NOS girls are hired as models and there promoting something using there bodies. should that have been said on live cast no. if there was shirtless guys there to promote a service it would be a bit sexist but not woman. theres a lot of blame to go around 

  • http://twitter.com/DarkKirbyx DarkKirby

    For lack of a better phrase, grow some balls. The uncensored free speech is what makes the FGC so great. Trying to make the FGC pure politically correct like Starcraft, and professional sports for that matter, would make the FGC “like everybody else” which would attract corporate sponsors, but you would lose the community in the process so it wouldn’t matter. No, the FGC would not “be the same” if it got censored, It’d be FAKE.

    • Moribund Cadaver

      Asking people to behave like grown boys is not censorship. Whenever something like this comes up, folks trot out “yer just whiny politically correct babby’s! We’re HARDCORE and FREE and we KICK ASS!”

      Which is a disingenuous attitude about the topic.

      Has the FGC been “fake” all these years when more responsible, professional commentators have been on streams and hosted events? Has it been “fake” when people who act like adults are in the spotlight?

      What’s actually more fake, if anything, is the bad boy bravado and gutter trash talk that pervades the edges of the FGC. That’s just empty posturing and guys trying to be “gangsta”. The community can do without it.

      Freedom of speech does not equal the license to be an asshole in every context at any event. Though that is the kind of argument used by assholes.

      The truth can be seen in the proof of the players – most of the better players (not all, but most) act like professionals. They talk trash, but they’re still careful about how they present it. They don’t forget the example they’re setting for the entire community. They’re adults. They’re not the people sitting on internet message boards talking a big game and running potty mouths at every little thing that crosses their line of sight.

      This is the same story that happens when ever any community is forced to clean up the dirtier parts of its act. Plenty of people always come out to cry that they’re being oppressed and censored because the parents have come home and are kicking a bit of ass. It’s juvenile.

      • http://www.facebook.com/lesunart Le Sun

        ty

      • Anonymous

         ”when ever any community is forced to clean up the dirtier parts of its act.”
        Name them.

      • Anonymous

        “yer just whiny politically correct babby’s! We’re HARDCORE and FREE and we KICK ASS!”
        That was the only valid statement in your post.

  • http://twitter.com/WalterJKovacs Walter Joseph Kovacs

    Man SRKotaku is such a shitty website. Why the fuck do i even come here anymore?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2QXNSACHTAUIZLOB5WHPLK77SI Ian

    >SRK pulling sponsorship from WNF

    You guys are a bunch of big whiny babies.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2QXNSACHTAUIZLOB5WHPLK77SI Ian

    >SRK pulling sponsorship from WNF

    You guys are a bunch of big whiny babies.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2QXNSACHTAUIZLOB5WHPLK77SI Ian

    >SRK pulling sponsorship from WNF

    You guys are a bunch of big whiny babies.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2QXNSACHTAUIZLOB5WHPLK77SI Ian

    >SRK pulling sponsorship from WNF

    You guys are a bunch of big whiny babies.

  • Anonymous

    Are people more mad at the punishment or the ridicule?  Honestly I prefer more professional streams like David and Chen.  I mean really, its not hard to have cleaner speech.  Not saying don’t curse, but its kinda annoying to hear cursing every 5 seconds while watching a stream.  And people can easily be excited, physically and verbally, while not needing to sound like a “sailor on shore leave.” Call it putting on a “mask” if you want, but nothing is wrong with courtesy towards other people.  

    Now as for the punishment, that is terrible.  Why not just dock the points for those involved in the “incident?”  Not everyone else.  That is easily crossing a line there.  

    • Anonymous

      Honestly, the way that Ultra David and Floe crack jokes about being Jewish, I can hardly think of him as a professional commentator. Personally I think there is a place for both types of commentators, professional and proudly amateur. 

  • Anonymous

    I’ll keep my comment short and sweet.

    Thank you, SRK. This is the huge step in growing the community as there are SO many people that don’t participate in fighting games because of the way they are treated (both male and female). Keep standing up against the bullying.

    • http://twitter.com/WalterJKovacs Walter Joseph Kovacs

      shut the fuck up faggot

      • Anonymous

        Why so much hate Walter Kovacs? You should take a look in the mirror and think to yourself “what’s the point of acting the way I act?”

        • http://twitter.com/WalterJKovacs Walter Joseph Kovacs

          No one in the community really acts this way, if you have ever been to an event you’ll see that they’re all normal, nice people. In fact one of the friendliest people in any video game medium.

          In fact the comments made in that video were just fun and playful banter, there was no hate speech. Do you think Martin and Christian are bigots? Of course not, they just wanted to liven up the stream and entertain the people watching. Nobody was preaching any hate towards women or homosexuals.

          That’s the problem with everyone now a days, they can’t handle a JOKE or two. Sites like Kotaku are sensationalist journalism at its worst. 

          tl;dr: You’re a faggot.

        • http://twitter.com/WalterJKovacs Walter Joseph Kovacs

          No one in the community really acts this way, if you have ever been to an event you’ll see that they’re all normal, nice people. In fact one of the friendliest people in any video game medium.

          In fact the comments made in that video were just fun and playful banter, there was no hate speech. Do you think Martin and Christian are bigots? Of course not, they just wanted to liven up the stream and entertain the people watching. Nobody was preaching any hate towards women or homosexuals.

          That’s the problem with everyone now a days, they can’t handle a JOKE or two. Sites like Kotaku are sensationalist journalism at its worst. 

          tl;dr: You’re a faggot.

        • Anonymous

           you’re telling a guy unironically used “faggot” as an insult to look in a mirror. Probably not gonna happen

      • Anonymous

        fuck off, you pathetic homophobe.

      • Anonymous

        fuck off, you pathetic homophobe.

    • http://twitter.com/WalterJKovacs Walter Joseph Kovacs

      shut the fuck up faggot

  • http://twitter.com/raz0rw0rk Ramon

    I agree about what Aris did not being acceptable. I do not agree with punishing players of WNF who take the time out of their lives to earn points to enter your tournament. Because of what two people did you’re going to punish an entire company and the few dozen (or hundreds) of people that are working hard to enter EVO.

    Is that the message you want to send to your base? “Two guys did one thing wrong and we’re going to hurt everyone.” Why would I stay loyal to the Cannons and SRK, a site I’ve been on for 12 years now, if for one bad act I get the cold shoulder? And if you were against this behavior before why are you only speaking up now? Many of us older folk noticed the behavior staying stagnant but NOT ONE PERSON ever spoke up about it. You, as the face of SRK, should have said something long ago instead of waiting until you’re forced to speak up about it. You know, when the damage is already done.

    Either way, you will probably never read this. I’ve always respected you for what you’ve done with the scene and you and your brother should reap some benefits from it but really I just wish you had spoken up around seven years ago when it was pretty bad all around.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2QXNSACHTAUIZLOB5WHPLK77SI Ian

    >censoring comments

    Stay classy, SRK illuminati. Keep grasping them straws.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2QXNSACHTAUIZLOB5WHPLK77SI Ian

    >censoring comments

    Stay classy, SRK illuminati. Keep grasping them straws.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2QXNSACHTAUIZLOB5WHPLK77SI Ian

    >censoring comments

    Stay classy, SRK illuminati. Keep grasping them straws.

  • Anonymous

    That sucks, the lighthearted ribbing of all current events was something that I really liked in the stream. Be it the entire east or west coast, Daigo, the $8.95 fiasco, who is a “fraud”, Ultra David and Floe being Jewish, it was just refreshing to hear goofy, not always politically correct banter.

    I am totally against that dude Aris and think he is a creepy dude, but SRK pulling out because of this is too heavy handed

  • Anonymous

    There’s an important distinction between hate and immaturity, between ignorance and malice.

  • blaziner

    boo fucking hoo, were a small community and sexism and racism isn’t keeping us from becoming big.. people are just a bunch of sensitive pussys. 

    • Anonymous

      Small community…right. A community that’s been on the rise for several years and just now got public attention and was even sponsored by a famous car company at one point. We’re sooo small and insignificant that we can say whatever the hell and not take responsibility for it because, why not, we all hide behind usernames and monitors.

      Sooner or later, it will catch up to you.

  • blaziner

    boo fucking hoo, were a small community and sexism and racism isn’t keeping us from becoming big.. people are just a bunch of sensitive pussys. 

  • Anonymous

    mmm, removing seeding points for WNF is an incredible stupid idea, this doesn’t sound like SRK and EVO organizers growning up, this sounds more like ”oh shit, we don’t want to get more flack from mainstream sites”

    Instead of removing the points, they should had a contract with tournament organizers to avoid offensive commentary long before this happened, it will be much better if instead of removing seed points, they should start to force the tournaments where there will be seeding points to had some rules on their commentary  and if there are not followed, punishing the tournament with the remove of sponsorship and all that stuffThe public the new rules and show everyone that they are willing to get a better experience for everybody instead of pandering for guys who really don’t care that much for the FGC

    • James Kim

      SRK & evo loves $$$. 

      • Anonymous

        I know that, but doing this seems really desperate when they could fix the situation way better without burning bridges that could made more harm than good

        I’m all for making commentary more standard, and punishing tournaments for shady things, but should be done better instead of just doing it because kotaku put us on a bad side

    • James Kim

      SRK & evo loves $$$. 

  • Anonymous

    mmm, removing seeding points for WNF is an incredible stupid idea, this doesn’t sound like SRK and EVO organizers growning up, this sounds more like ”oh shit, we don’t want to get more flack from mainstream sites”

    Instead of removing the points, they should had a contract with tournament organizers to avoid offensive commentary long before this happened, it will be much better if instead of removing seed points, they should start to force the tournaments where there will be seeding points to had some rules on their commentary  and if there are not followed, punishing the tournament with the remove of sponsorship and all that stuffThe public the new rules and show everyone that they are willing to get a better experience for everybody instead of pandering for guys who really don’t care that much for the FGC

  • http://www.facebook.com/lesunart Le Sun

    Here’s your solution, get sponsorships to quality commentators, get them financial compensation for perfecting that particular craft like you would a player, and include it in event advertisement that eloquent articulate on-point commentating as part of the appeal to tune in.

    When money is involved, people start acting more professional. 

    Besides, if the scene grows, that’ll be the inevitable future anyways, no way are we just going to have the players themselves commentating for the next ten EVOs, we’re all better off if we just start making it legit today. 

    PS: Authors of any comments about “selling out” needs to urban dictionary that phrase, they clearly have no idea of its meaning. 

  • http://twitter.com/oBLACKSTARo oBLACKSTARo

    Man, inkblot, I was telling you guys and the IPW guys this LAST YEAR, and I was getting blown up in the comments about it.

    Now instead of moral implications, the discussion has shifted about our future regarding finances and opportunities. NOW everybody wants to clean up their act……

  • http://twitter.com/oBLACKSTARo oBLACKSTARo

    Man, inkblot, I was telling you guys and the IPW guys this LAST YEAR, and I was getting blown up in the comments about it.

    Now instead of moral implications, the discussion has shifted about our future regarding finances and opportunities. NOW everybody wants to clean up their act……

  • http://twitter.com/iTzKayrohJones Brandyn Harris

    Hey FGC commentators, meet muzzle

    • http://www.facebook.com/EMP.TriForce.GameMaster Isaiah TriForce Johnson

       I agree, at this point these KIDS do not understand the consequences.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t get it, so the “hate speech” was the thing about the NOS girls? Are you guys serious? Their modles, they dress up like that to be stared at and acknowledged for their beauty. For all the guys here you’ve never seen a girl and thought “I’d so do her” and said it to youre buddy? I guess that can be argued with “they should be held to a higher standard” but should they really? The commentary can be half the fun of watching a tournament, while I don’t think they should should go around showing or saying whatever they want they want in the grand scheme of things this wasn’t bad enough that we should be having this conversation, IMHO anyway.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t get it, so the “hate speech” was the thing about the NOS girls? Are you guys serious? Their modles, they dress up like that to be stared at and acknowledged for their beauty. For all the guys here you’ve never seen a girl and thought “I’d so do her” and said it to youre buddy? I guess that can be argued with “they should be held to a higher standard” but should they really? The commentary can be half the fun of watching a tournament, while I don’t think they should should go around showing or saying whatever they want they want in the grand scheme of things this wasn’t bad enough that we should be having this conversation, IMHO anyway.

  • RenaTurnip

    Way more comments than I think I can read. It’s pretty clear that people are being divided by a big thick black line, though, with a couple people standing on top of the line trying hard to lean on one side or the other.

    Inkblot, I’m glad you’re making these articles :< With you coming up and saying "HEY", other people are gonna stand up and do the same, and it'll be especially powerful when it's people that everyone respects. I hope a difference is made. *turnip salute*

  • RenaTurnip

    Way more comments than I think I can read. It’s pretty clear that people are being divided by a big thick black line, though, with a couple people standing on top of the line trying hard to lean on one side or the other.

    Inkblot, I’m glad you’re making these articles :< With you coming up and saying "HEY", other people are gonna stand up and do the same, and it'll be especially powerful when it's people that everyone respects. I hope a difference is made. *turnip salute*

  • RenaTurnip

    Way more comments than I think I can read. It’s pretty clear that people are being divided by a big thick black line, though, with a couple people standing on top of the line trying hard to lean on one side or the other.

    Inkblot, I’m glad you’re making these articles :< With you coming up and saying "HEY", other people are gonna stand up and do the same, and it'll be especially powerful when it's people that everyone respects. I hope a difference is made. *turnip salute*

  • RenaTurnip

    Way more comments than I think I can read. It’s pretty clear that people are being divided by a big thick black line, though, with a couple people standing on top of the line trying hard to lean on one side or the other.

    Inkblot, I’m glad you’re making these articles :< With you coming up and saying "HEY", other people are gonna stand up and do the same, and it'll be especially powerful when it's people that everyone respects. I hope a difference is made. *turnip salute*

  • http://twitter.com/ScribbleDO David O’Keefe

    Irony is awesome. Half the “mountains out of mole hills” comments are being made by people who say, “esports is ruining the FGC!” in the next sentence.

  • http://twitter.com/ScribbleDO David O’Keefe

    Irony is awesome. Half the “mountains out of mole hills” comments are being made by people who say, “esports is ruining the FGC!” in the next sentence.

  • Anonymous

    please don’t take away my right to be a bigot! oh my gooood i couldn’t handle it if i actually had to construct actual articulated pop offs or criticisms of people instead of just using shit i got off South Park.

    • Anonymous

      please don’t make light of anything that someone might take seriously, i am extremely overdramatic and wouldn’t be able to handle it. i couldn’t handle it if I needed to consider context and purpose instead of constantly being offended

  • Anonymous

    please don’t take away my right to be a bigot! oh my gooood i couldn’t handle it if i actually had to construct actual articulated pop offs or criticisms of people instead of just using shit i got off South Park.

  • http://twitter.com/iTzKayrohJones Brandyn Harris

    Preach it.

    Amen

  • Anonymous

    Ultimately, some people just can’t take a joke(those that would consider themselves “offended” by the commentators on Level|Up).

    I hope that perhaps alternative streams will pop up, or maybe I will have to completely depend on Chris Hu for my politically incorrect, top shelf commentary.

  • http://twitter.com/WeFlyForever HiL Alcee

    Why do people think being offensive is being funny. Low level of maturation. Watch Combofiend. He is probably the funniest gamer ever and he is not offensive.

  • http://twitter.com/WeFlyForever HiL Alcee

    Why do people think being offensive is being funny. Low level of maturation. Watch Combofiend. He is probably the funniest gamer ever and he is not offensive.

    • Anonymous

      Chris Hu is probably the funniest, also very offensive

    • Anonymous

      because hack comedians like Jeff Dunham and Carlos Mencia exist

    • Anonymous

      because hack comedians like Jeff Dunham and Carlos Mencia exist

    • Anonymous

      because hack comedians like Jeff Dunham and Carlos Mencia exist

    • http://twitter.com/H_Magnus Fernando Velasco

      Juicebox is another great example of this.

    • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

      Why do people think being offensive isn’t being funny?

  • Anonymous

    and another thing,
    SRK taking WNF sponsership away is just blatant hypocrisy. You act like this shit just started happening and that other streams you sponsor don’t JOKE around like how Marn and the other commentators did. A week ago, you would have been perfectly fine with people just joking around on stream, but now that the heat is on, you pull the plug automatically. Thats just ridiculous… 

  • Anonymous

    and another thing,
    SRK taking WNF sponsership away is just blatant hypocrisy. You act like this shit just started happening and that other streams you sponsor don’t JOKE around like how Marn and the other commentators did. A week ago, you would have been perfectly fine with people just joking around on stream, but now that the heat is on, you pull the plug automatically. Thats just ridiculous… 

  • Anonymous

    Would SRK have cared if the kotaku article didn’t happen I wonder?

    • Anonymous

      Nope.

  • Anonymous

    One person can leave a big negative impact. I’m not so sure but I don’t think every fighting game player is that vulgar.

  • Anonymous

    One person can leave a big negative impact. I’m not so sure but I don’t think every fighting game player is that vulgar.

  • Jamie Carpenter

    I am a girl and I have heard far more offensive stuff on these streams than this. I applaud the fact that people are now being held accountable for what they say. That was and is the biggest problem I have with people and companies now days. They are not held accountable nor are the businesses held accountable for condoning such behavior. I am glad Kotaku wrote the article as well. You get tired of hearing racist, sexist and ignorant comments. Yet no one is punished for them. On spooky stream a few weeks ago Mega Man Steve said he wish girls would attend and play or hang out but even he acknowledged the rude behavior of some of these guys. What is even more evident is the same people that say these nasty things, friends or colleagues never say shut up or tell them how rude they are. They just laugh. Then you hear people in the community say they want e-sports money and major sponsorship. How can that ever happen with this type of behavior. I am surprised at companies like Madcatz even condone these types of things by sponsoring certain individuals. That just lets you know that someone in the company is not paying attention. Capcom is another one. Capcom could have easily pulled Aris commentary from Evo 2011. The first 10 minutes he was insultful to Kayo Police and later on insulting women by calling them over weight. Yet they let him commentate for all three days. By the way Marn always say offensive stuff and he got rewarded with a sponsorship by Madcatz and he is still sponsored.

  • Jamie Carpenter

    I am a girl and I have heard far more offensive stuff on these streams than this. I applaud the fact that people are now being held accountable for what they say. That was and is the biggest problem I have with people and companies now days. They are not held accountable nor are the businesses held accountable for condoning such behavior. I am glad Kotaku wrote the article as well. You get tired of hearing racist, sexist and ignorant comments. Yet no one is punished for them. On spooky stream a few weeks ago Mega Man Steve said he wish girls would attend and play or hang out but even he acknowledged the rude behavior of some of these guys. What is even more evident is the same people that say these nasty things, friends or colleagues never say shut up or tell them how rude they are. They just laugh. Then you hear people in the community say they want e-sports money and major sponsorship. How can that ever happen with this type of behavior. I am surprised at companies like Madcatz even condone these types of things by sponsoring certain individuals. That just lets you know that someone in the company is not paying attention. Capcom is another one. Capcom could have easily pulled Aris commentary from Evo 2011. The first 10 minutes he was insultful to Kayo Police and later on insulting women by calling them over weight. Yet they let him commentate for all three days. By the way Marn always say offensive stuff and he got rewarded with a sponsorship by Madcatz and he is still sponsored.

    • James Kim

      No one cares if you’re a girl, so no need to announce that shit.  Besides your name kind of gives it away also.

      I hate girls who state that before saying something, as if it validates their points more. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=501909299 Chaan Niccaples Thomas

         As a black man I agree with this.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=501909299 Chaan Niccaples Thomas

         As a black man I agree with this.

      • Jamie Carpenter

        Well James, I am sorry I announced I was a girl. Maybe I did it because Jamie can be taken as either a guy or girls name. I know that never crossed your mind though. I don’t need anything to give my point validity, the facts speak for themself.

      • Jamie Carpenter

        Well James, I am sorry I announced I was a girl. Maybe I did it because Jamie can be taken as either a guy or girls name. I know that never crossed your mind though. I don’t need anything to give my point validity, the facts speak for themself.

    • James Kim

      No one cares if you’re a girl, so no need to announce that shit.  Besides your name kind of gives it away also.

      I hate girls who state that before saying something, as if it validates their points more. 

    • James Kim

      No one cares if you’re a girl, so no need to announce that shit.  Besides your name kind of gives it away also.

      I hate girls who state that before saying something, as if it validates their points more. 

  • Anonymous

    I actually had to laugh along with Marn and the other guy, because the drama is ridiculous- speaking of which, fuck Kotaku, Giant bomb, and all these other online gaming sites that have always been trash.

    The manner in which this female was treated is way too far across the line of decency and common human respect, and heads should roll for that shit. Not like this, though. Fucking media-whores. E-elections already?

    • Anonymous

      If she’s been to any bar in the US at all, I’m sure she’s been treated far worse.

  • Anonymous

    I actually had to laugh along with Marn and the other guy, because the drama is ridiculous- speaking of which, fuck Kotaku, Giant bomb, and all these other online gaming sites that have always been trash.

    The manner in which this female was treated is way too far across the line of decency and common human respect, and heads should roll for that shit. Not like this, though. Fucking media-whores. E-elections already?

  • http://twitter.com/WasiKaBooM WasiKaBooM

    The decision to stop supporting WNF because of this sucks big time, and i really, really hope you SRK guys realize what you are doing. They had Marn and others on the stream before, nobody gave a shit what they were saying. Everybody loves WNF. But now a few blogs shed a light on the community and everybody tries to hide their skeletons?

    Thats not genuine. Thats like getting caught by your mom with the hand in the cookie jar and swearing under tears that you will never eat a cookie again in your life.

    Its a rash decision that stinks of appeasing. The question is who you are trying to fool here.

  • http://twitter.com/WasiKaBooM WasiKaBooM

    The decision to stop supporting WNF because of this sucks big time, and i really, really hope you SRK guys realize what you are doing. They had Marn and others on the stream before, nobody gave a shit what they were saying. Everybody loves WNF. But now a few blogs shed a light on the community and everybody tries to hide their skeletons?

    Thats not genuine. Thats like getting caught by your mom with the hand in the cookie jar and swearing under tears that you will never eat a cookie again in your life.

    Its a rash decision that stinks of appeasing. The question is who you are trying to fool here.

  • Jano Torres

    Thank you Kotaku you piece of Shit page…

  • http://twitter.com/lchipoo Ichipoo

    Damn, reading this article is depressing, how about we focus on something more positive and hype? Like actual gameplay footage of that Persona 4 fighting game being released just recently. =3

  • http://twitter.com/lchipoo Ichipoo

    Damn, reading this article is depressing, how about we focus on something more positive and hype? Like actual gameplay footage of that Persona 4 fighting game being released just recently. =3

  • http://twitter.com/Tsu42 bob

    LOL I like how Inkblot and SRK are calling the people making comments the “bad guys” when they’re the real pieces of shit here .

    Fuck Inkblot and Fuck SRK

    Super__Yan/Miranda killing the fighting game community one day a time,

  • http://twitter.com/Tsu42 bob

    LOL I like how Inkblot and SRK are calling the people making comments the “bad guys” when they’re the real pieces of shit here .

    Fuck Inkblot and Fuck SRK

    Super__Yan/Miranda killing the fighting game community one day a time,

  • http://twitter.com/KingofSarus Blake Givens

    What would Kappa do…?

    • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

      He would just sit there and Kappa face to all of us being retarded manchildren who can’t get past all of this trivial irrelevant BS and actually get back to what matters on this site.

  • http://twitter.com/KingofSarus Blake Givens

    What would Kappa do…?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/William-Barrow/100001012904513 William Barrow

    pretty much this just boils down to that fact that 95% of srk is stream monsters and online warriors. theyre used to the anonymity of the internet, and not taking responsibility for their actions. the people who care about this issue are the people who go to tournaments, and have a genuine investment in the fighting game community. everyone who thinks people are “being too sensitive” shouldnt be here in the first place. stay free srk.

    • Anonymous

      Oh lets throw the fanbase who’s actually into fighting games into a river and just don’t actively participate directly for a mere fraction of even the mainstream audience.

      Lets say everyone who can’t make it to a tournament is a waste and hasn’t tried to improve their scenes. And how about fighting games where online and unrecognized tourneys are usually the only thing we have due to inflated entry amounts to even be a featured game? Lets keep those from ever seeing a day in the spotlight.
      FUCK THIS ENTIRE CLUSTERFUCK OF DRAMA.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/William-Barrow/100001012904513 William Barrow

    pretty much this just boils down to that fact that 95% of srk is stream monsters and online warriors. theyre used to the anonymity of the internet, and not taking responsibility for their actions. the people who care about this issue are the people who go to tournaments, and have a genuine investment in the fighting game community. everyone who thinks people are “being too sensitive” shouldnt be here in the first place. stay free srk.

  • Anonymous

    The first sign of trouble from an irrelevant website and SRK throws it’s loyal under a train. Fuck you, SRK.

  • Anonymous

    The first sign of trouble from an irrelevant website and SRK throws it’s loyal under a train. Fuck you, SRK.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Murray/611100197 Mike Murray

    Never link anything from Kotaku, Inkblot.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Murray/611100197 Mike Murray

    Never link anything from Kotaku, Inkblot.

  • http://twitter.com/Tsu42 bob

  • http://twitter.com/Tsu42 bob

      Yup the FGC is real hostile towards those transgendered people.

    I mean it’s not like Kayo Police is adored by the community you fuckwit

  • Anonymous

    No one will argue that the general overall reaction to the FGC in regards to the events of Super_YanxAris was stupendously negative. The FGC has been made out to be the bad guys, as this occurred on a high traffic stream, and was further brought to the forefront thanks to our digital media outlets.

    It was simply unwise, at the time, to speak in any such way about women on the stream. Yes, I am aware this type of offensive speaking occurs a lot in our community-sometimes it has made it onto stream commentary in the past. But this situation JUST HAPPENED. Consider that something like this would increase the sensitivity of certain viewers, and will lead to repercussions such as those distributed by SRK.

    I would also like to point out that, when formulating an opinion on this matter, it is important to separate your own personal opinion on whether or not what Marn and ETF said was going too far or not. When a statement is observed, the context and sensitivity is not compared to each and every person’s personal opinion-it’s all about what the majority of the group collectively believes. As I mentioned before, the reaction to the event in question on Cross Assault has not been in the FGC’s favor. Therefore, how do you expect this situation to go? What, you don’t find it offensive? You think it’s childish for such a reaction to occur? Too bad. That’s your opinion. The fact of the matter is that, right now, it’s too soon.

    To bring up past points about offensive remarks in the FGC is a blatant Straw-Man, and a weak one at that. The context was different back then. Up until a few years ago, the FGC was not as displayed as it has been now. With the rise of digital media, it really was only a matter of time before a situation like this occurred.

    TL;DR-I understand that some people may not find this offensive personally, but one person’s opinion is dwarfed by the collective opinion of the whole, which is not very much in the FGC’s favor right now. Quit whining.

    • http://www.fightercon.com William Traylor

      Marn & ETR #corrections 

      But yeah as i was saying to another user on hear i agree but there needs to be some ground rules laid down before you go stepping on peoples right to say stuff… whether its the rules of the stream like cross assault had with cursing, or if its something more in tuned with harassment and just general social courtesy.

      People are salty because essentially SRK and Kotaku which covers fighting games whenever their whimsy suits them… basically threw us all under a freaking bus wearing snow chains. 

    • http://www.fightercon.com William Traylor

      Marn & ETR #corrections 

      But yeah as i was saying to another user on hear i agree but there needs to be some ground rules laid down before you go stepping on peoples right to say stuff… whether its the rules of the stream like cross assault had with cursing, or if its something more in tuned with harassment and just general social courtesy.

      People are salty because essentially SRK and Kotaku which covers fighting games whenever their whimsy suits them… basically threw us all under a freaking bus wearing snow chains. 

    • http://www.fightercon.com William Traylor

      Marn & ETR #corrections 

      But yeah as i was saying to another user on hear i agree but there needs to be some ground rules laid down before you go stepping on peoples right to say stuff… whether its the rules of the stream like cross assault had with cursing, or if its something more in tuned with harassment and just general social courtesy.

      People are salty because essentially SRK and Kotaku which covers fighting games whenever their whimsy suits them… basically threw us all under a freaking bus wearing snow chains. 

      • Anonymous

        Edit Made-thank you.

      • Anonymous

        Edit Made-thank you.

      • Anonymous

        Edit Made-thank you.

  • http://twitter.com/DexBazillion poopy doopy

    Yeah, because it’s not there isn’t other brands that are hungry to take your place of sponsorship.

    Thanks for leaving and having no relevance to anybody ever!

  • Anonymous

    no one is saying you can’t talk shit with your boys, so calm the fuck down. you know that if you ran your mouth like this to strangers you’d get your glass jaw busted so stop acting like some of you are so desperate to “keep it real”.

    i have been playing fighting games for a large portion on my life, i play because i love to fucking play. i don’t play because i like the scene, or because i like trash talking or even because i like other people. i don’t watch streams because i like to hear Marn run his dumbass mouth or some of these other people who think they’re funny but they mistake “edgy” for funny. i sure as hell don’t watch the stream because i like to read stream chat. i watch it because i love to watch the matches and i dig the hype.

    my friends and i have probably said shit to each other that would make some of you internet tough guys cry but i keep that shit between me and my boys and not cuz i’m scared but because i have respect. i understand that there are lots of greater social issues involved in speaking this way to strangers or reinforcing this kind of thought with people who may not understand that i’m joking. if you think saying this stuff just because you want to is actually a good or smart thing, then you’re ignorant and you need to try and understand how sexism and racism are an actual problem in America and allow some really horrible shit to happen in our culture. stop taking pride in being ignorant, talk shit with your friends and laugh if you want cuz they understand the context, they get what’s up with you but don’t go acting like everyone does or even should.

    • Jamie Carpenter

       

      Let’s just face the facts here, a lot of us spend the
      majority of our time on line and some people truly don’t know what filter is. If
      you read the comments left by some to them this is the norm and you should get
      over it. Maybe that is the problem. I agree with 212, you talk stuff around
      your friends but you have respect when you are around other people and in a
      public forum. If you can’t do this, then you should be held accountable for
      whatever you put out there. If you put it out there you should stand by it
      because that is what you feel. WNF knows Marn has a flippant mouth yet they put
      him on stream. This is Alex Valle business and he condoned this, so in essence
      he looks as if he agrees with him because if he didn’t he would not have had
      Marn on stream.  Another thing you have
      to realize is that another reason this is a big issue is because some people
      are trying to take the community to the next level and make profit. Yes its fun
      to you and I who play games but to others they wish to make profit off of this.
      Look at SRK. SRK does a lot to promote the community and even offering this
      website. They have advertisement on this site and they try their best to help
      organizers out. Imagine if Coke or pepsi sponsored SRK and then a story like
      this got out and then word got out that SRK did nothing to address the issue.
      There goes their client. You have people who want to be sponsored but how can
      you gain sponsorship when the community has this sort of sexiest, racist and childish
      behavior. What major company will want to sponsor you? No major company would
      want to be associated with this. Yes madcatz will sponsor you, but they would
      also sponsor a goat too. People want that MLG money and with this kind of
      behavior and childishness, that kind of money will not be seen in this community
      for a very, very, very LONG TIME.

    • Jamie Carpenter

       

      Let’s just face the facts here, a lot of us spend the
      majority of our time on line and some people truly don’t know what filter is. If
      you read the comments left by some to them this is the norm and you should get
      over it. Maybe that is the problem. I agree with 212, you talk stuff around
      your friends but you have respect when you are around other people and in a
      public forum. If you can’t do this, then you should be held accountable for
      whatever you put out there. If you put it out there you should stand by it
      because that is what you feel. WNF knows Marn has a flippant mouth yet they put
      him on stream. This is Alex Valle business and he condoned this, so in essence
      he looks as if he agrees with him because if he didn’t he would not have had
      Marn on stream.  Another thing you have
      to realize is that another reason this is a big issue is because some people
      are trying to take the community to the next level and make profit. Yes its fun
      to you and I who play games but to others they wish to make profit off of this.
      Look at SRK. SRK does a lot to promote the community and even offering this
      website. They have advertisement on this site and they try their best to help
      organizers out. Imagine if Coke or pepsi sponsored SRK and then a story like
      this got out and then word got out that SRK did nothing to address the issue.
      There goes their client. You have people who want to be sponsored but how can
      you gain sponsorship when the community has this sort of sexiest, racist and childish
      behavior. What major company will want to sponsor you? No major company would
      want to be associated with this. Yes madcatz will sponsor you, but they would
      also sponsor a goat too. People want that MLG money and with this kind of
      behavior and childishness, that kind of money will not be seen in this community
      for a very, very, very LONG TIME.

  • http://twitter.com/DexBazillion poopy doopy

    You mean white knighting?

  • http://twitter.com/DexBazillion poopy doopy

    You mean white knighting?

  • http://twitter.com/DexBazillion poopy doopy

    You mean white knighting?

  • http://twitter.com/iTzKayrohJones Brandyn Harris

    That’s far to extreme of an analogy.

  • http://twitter.com/iTzKayrohJones Brandyn Harris

    That’s far to extreme of an analogy.

  • http://twitter.com/iTzKayrohJones Brandyn Harris

    That’s far to extreme of an analogy.

  • Anonymous

    Remember when the fighting game community was about playing fighting games? What happened to those times?

  • http://twitter.com/Jackedntan69 Kenny Massey

    pussy geeks that can’t take a joke

  • Anonymous

    the fuck is all this about? i mean, it’s fucking fighting games so of course there are going to be a shit ton of dudes and assholes talking shit and having a good time. this whole esports shit is what’s gone on for too long. kotaku is constantly shitted on here on srk and they know it. they have hardly any credibility anyways and now they’re taking advantage of it. what’s really weird is that inkblot posted this and i wonder the real reason why. controversy gets hits on any medium. if anything this has brought attention to the FGC where acting “professional” wouldn’t. it’s like we all got trolled to post in here.

  • http://twitter.com/Jackedntan69 Kenny Massey

    never seen some geeks get so butt hurt over jokes

    obviously have never played in the competitive counter strike community/ any other competitive video game community.

    Get over yourselves Mega dweebs

  • Giorgio Mariani

    I guess this is what a community imploding looks like.

    To be honest, I was hoping to find a lot more unanimity in our approach to this crisis (and it has become a crisis now.). Kotaku and several other arms of the gaming press are clearly being more than a little unfair in generalising and portraying the scene as massively retrograde. That said, from these comments and those on other stories on the same issue, the makeup seems to be:

    20-30%: “This shit is serious, we need to pull our heads out of our asses and start addressing a problem with FGC culture.”

    30-40%: “This shit is stupid, no one should be making a big deal out of this, there is nothing wrong with the community and nothing of note happened. Sexual harassment? Pfft whatever scrub. If you can’t take it then leave.”

    20%: LOL DRAMA 

    10-20%: “Miranda’s at least partially to blame for her own harassment for not immediately confronting Aris. I also think that women raped while wearing miniskirts are at least partially responsible”.
     

    That’s a really depressing composition of people, to be honest. It’s good that the leading figures in the community have mostly stepped up to the plate and are being open and progressive about this, but it’s really saddening to see so many people who don’t think sexual harassment is a big deal, or who think that trivialising it DAYS after it blew up in the media is also not a big deal. 

    And a lot of that attitude seems to derive from a bullshit macho mindset where men slap each other’s asses in the shower and talk about how weak women are and how woman-like weak men are.

    “I just want to play games and talk shit. I don’t give a fuck about how my actions make anyone else feel. Thems is pussies if they gets offended at what I do or say.”

    If this community doesn’t wake up and start to think seriously about how its culture has evolved, it’s not just going to mean that it’s not going to get commercial coverage. It’s also going to be ostracised by other gaming subcultures, who are already ashamed of us. And worst of all, it’s going to lead to the FGC haemorrhaging members; people who aren’t really interested in desperately asserting their masculinity by behaving in a hostile and exclusionary manner.

    I get that a lot of the people saying the puerile shit are just teenagers, but now is really the time to grow up just a little.

    • Anonymous

      I couldn’t agree more. Maybe taking out WNF’s seeding points and sponsoring is going a bit far, but a message does need to be sent regarding the problem.

      • Anonymous

        sometimes a heavy hand is the only one people will understand. Kinda like how the only thing a net troll understands is a good, solid ass-kicking

        • Anonymous

          Wow, you’re all kinds of dumb if you think you can kick a troll’s ass. 

    • Anonymous

      I couldn’t agree more. Maybe taking out WNF’s seeding points and sponsoring is going a bit far, but a message does need to be sent regarding the problem.

    • Anonymous

      I couldn’t agree more. Maybe taking out WNF’s seeding points and sponsoring is going a bit far, but a message does need to be sent regarding the problem.

    • Anonymous

      I couldn’t agree more. Maybe taking out WNF’s seeding points and sponsoring is going a bit far, but a message does need to be sent regarding the problem.

    • http://thejohnsondesign.deviantart.com/ johnson

      Wow. this gave me a brain boner. no offense. super articulate and not overbearing. definitely merited a read and presents a valid argument or at least a summation. it just sucks that wnf gets hurt and then some heads had to roll within their group,

  • http://twitter.com/_PedroFeijo Pedro Felipe Feijó

    The early 2000′s was said to be the Dark Age of Fighting Games, but I believe we’re on the real Dark Age here guys..

  • http://twitter.com/_PedroFeijo Pedro Felipe Feijó

    The early 2000′s was said to be the Dark Age of Fighting Games, but I believe we’re on the real Dark Age here guys..

  • http://www.facebook.com/eatmysaq Hassan Dandridge

    I would post something smart, but I’m not. It’s sad yet not surprising how money(the thought of it for most gamers) can change an entire culture. I for one won’t support anyone who stands on either side of this completely stupid argument. I’ll keep playing with my friends and go to tournaments if I can afford it. I like this scene, I don’t need it or this pseudo-political nonsense. Everyone should get real jobs and be family men.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/EMP.TriForce.GameMaster Isaiah TriForce Johnson

    Looks like the message will finally be heard from someone who will “FORCE” the messages. Its not funny now, right.

  • http://www.facebook.com/EMP.TriForce.GameMaster Isaiah TriForce Johnson

    Looks like the message will finally be heard from someone who will “FORCE” the messages. Its not funny now, right.

  • http://www.facebook.com/EMP.TriForce.GameMaster Isaiah TriForce Johnson

    Looks like the message will finally be heard from someone who will “FORCE” the messages. Its not funny now, right.

  • http://www.facebook.com/EMP.TriForce.GameMaster Isaiah TriForce Johnson

    Looks like the message will finally be heard from someone who will “FORCE” the messages. Its not funny now, right.

  • http://www.facebook.com/EMP.TriForce.GameMaster Isaiah TriForce Johnson

    Looks like the message will finally be heard from someone who will “FORCE” the messages. Its not funny now, right.

  • Anonymous

    People want the FGC to grow yet people don’t want to grow up. The mainstream audience will never take the FGC seriously with a bunch of children behind the wheel. Whole bunch of gamers stuck in 10 years piror and aren’t willing to play the game by the rules. Doesn’t even make sense, the rules of the game are “POLITICALLY CORRECT”. Deal with it or forfeit and let the adults make sure the FGC last another 10 years. 

    • Anonymous

       I just don’t get where keeping your civility about you makes you a “pussy” or a “sell out”. Last I checked, not being an asshole (and yes, there’s difference between trash talk and harassment) doesn’t automatically wussify you, as it were.

  • Anonymous

    People want the FGC to grow yet people don’t want to grow up. The mainstream audience will never take the FGC seriously with a bunch of children behind the wheel. Whole bunch of gamers stuck in 10 years piror and aren’t willing to play the game by the rules. Doesn’t even make sense, the rules of the game are “POLITICALLY CORRECT”. Deal with it or forfeit and let the adults make sure the FGC last another 10 years. 

  • Anonymous

    People want the FGC to grow yet people don’t want to grow up. The mainstream audience will never take the FGC seriously with a bunch of children behind the wheel. Whole bunch of gamers stuck in 10 years piror and aren’t willing to play the game by the rules. Doesn’t even make sense, the rules of the game are “POLITICALLY CORRECT”. Deal with it or forfeit and let the adults make sure the FGC last another 10 years. 

  • Anonymous

    People want the FGC to grow yet people don’t want to grow up. The mainstream audience will never take the FGC seriously with a bunch of children behind the wheel. Whole bunch of gamers stuck in 10 years piror and aren’t willing to play the game by the rules. Doesn’t even make sense, the rules of the game are “POLITICALLY CORRECT”. Deal with it or forfeit and let the adults make sure the FGC last another 10 years. 

  • Anonymous

    People want the FGC to grow yet people don’t want to grow up. The mainstream audience will never take the FGC seriously with a bunch of children behind the wheel. Whole bunch of gamers stuck in 10 years piror and aren’t willing to play the game by the rules. Doesn’t even make sense, the rules of the game are “POLITICALLY CORRECT”. Deal with it or forfeit and let the adults make sure the FGC last another 10 years. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Aaron-Cragher/100001764976078 Aaron Cragher

    As much as I’d like to see sexism go away entirely in the FGC I don’t think it’ll happen.  Here’s what I think will happen, but REALLY hope won’t:  They’ll be strict policies.  Not just for this, but to cover ANYTHING that may happen.  Most of the current commentators/FGC members will see this as policing their already established community and stop supporting the bigger guys.  This will cause a huge drop in the FGC.  Not as many streams, two different sides, (One for a more “esports” take, the other for where we are now.), loss in sales and sponsors, etc.

    This is something that needs to happen, but I can see everyone jumping on for the wrong reasons.  No offense to SRK or any stream currently, but I think the only reason articles like this are being posted now is because advertising/money will be hurt.  You wouldn’t of seen an article like this 5 years ago.  We need to change for the right reasons.  Not just because your wallets will be taking a beating.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Aaron-Cragher/100001764976078 Aaron Cragher

    As much as I’d like to see sexism go away entirely in the FGC I don’t think it’ll happen.  Here’s what I think will happen, but REALLY hope won’t:  They’ll be strict policies.  Not just for this, but to cover ANYTHING that may happen.  Most of the current commentators/FGC members will see this as policing their already established community and stop supporting the bigger guys.  This will cause a huge drop in the FGC.  Not as many streams, two different sides, (One for a more “esports” take, the other for where we are now.), loss in sales and sponsors, etc.

    This is something that needs to happen, but I can see everyone jumping on for the wrong reasons.  No offense to SRK or any stream currently, but I think the only reason articles like this are being posted now is because advertising/money will be hurt.  You wouldn’t of seen an article like this 5 years ago.  We need to change for the right reasons.  Not just because your wallets will be taking a beating.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Aaron-Cragher/100001764976078 Aaron Cragher

    As much as I’d like to see sexism go away entirely in the FGC I don’t think it’ll happen.  Here’s what I think will happen, but REALLY hope won’t:  They’ll be strict policies.  Not just for this, but to cover ANYTHING that may happen.  Most of the current commentators/FGC members will see this as policing their already established community and stop supporting the bigger guys.  This will cause a huge drop in the FGC.  Not as many streams, two different sides, (One for a more “esports” take, the other for where we are now.), loss in sales and sponsors, etc.

    This is something that needs to happen, but I can see everyone jumping on for the wrong reasons.  No offense to SRK or any stream currently, but I think the only reason articles like this are being posted now is because advertising/money will be hurt.  You wouldn’t of seen an article like this 5 years ago.  We need to change for the right reasons.  Not just because your wallets will be taking a beating.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Aaron-Cragher/100001764976078 Aaron Cragher

    As much as I’d like to see sexism go away entirely in the FGC I don’t think it’ll happen.  Here’s what I think will happen, but REALLY hope won’t:  They’ll be strict policies.  Not just for this, but to cover ANYTHING that may happen.  Most of the current commentators/FGC members will see this as policing their already established community and stop supporting the bigger guys.  This will cause a huge drop in the FGC.  Not as many streams, two different sides, (One for a more “esports” take, the other for where we are now.), loss in sales and sponsors, etc.

    This is something that needs to happen, but I can see everyone jumping on for the wrong reasons.  No offense to SRK or any stream currently, but I think the only reason articles like this are being posted now is because advertising/money will be hurt.  You wouldn’t of seen an article like this 5 years ago.  We need to change for the right reasons.  Not just because your wallets will be taking a beating.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Aaron-Cragher/100001764976078 Aaron Cragher

    As much as I’d like to see sexism go away entirely in the FGC I don’t think it’ll happen.  Here’s what I think will happen, but REALLY hope won’t:  They’ll be strict policies.  Not just for this, but to cover ANYTHING that may happen.  Most of the current commentators/FGC members will see this as policing their already established community and stop supporting the bigger guys.  This will cause a huge drop in the FGC.  Not as many streams, two different sides, (One for a more “esports” take, the other for where we are now.), loss in sales and sponsors, etc.

    This is something that needs to happen, but I can see everyone jumping on for the wrong reasons.  No offense to SRK or any stream currently, but I think the only reason articles like this are being posted now is because advertising/money will be hurt.  You wouldn’t of seen an article like this 5 years ago.  We need to change for the right reasons.  Not just because your wallets will be taking a beating.

  • http://www.facebook.com/drunkmonkeys Casey Collings

    If e-sports means losing all these immature children who can’t seem to understand you can still have hype without being sexist, sign me up for e-sports. 

    • Anonymous

       And this is another thing I don’t get about other people. Why do so many people seem to not get that you can indeed get hyped without being offensive in regards to harassment? Even then, last I checked, you could trash talk without sexually harassing someone.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Aaron-Cragher/100001764976078 Aaron Cragher

        Everyone just needs to commentate like Seth Killian is there with them.  When he’s on the mic with someone people watch their fucking mouth.  Because they KNOW what they’re saying is wrong.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Aaron-Cragher/100001764976078 Aaron Cragher

        Everyone just needs to commentate like Seth Killian is there with them.  When he’s on the mic with someone people watch their fucking mouth.  Because they KNOW what they’re saying is wrong.

    • Anonymous

       And this is another thing I don’t get about other people. Why do so many people seem to not get that you can indeed get hyped without being offensive in regards to harassment? Even then, last I checked, you could trash talk without sexually harassing someone.

    • Anonymous

       And this is another thing I don’t get about other people. Why do so many people seem to not get that you can indeed get hyped without being offensive in regards to harassment? Even then, last I checked, you could trash talk without sexually harassing someone.

    • Anonymous

      amen. If this were actually sports people pulling this kind of crap would be rightfully punished.

  • http://thejohnsondesign.deviantart.com/ johnson

    SRK belongs to the Cannons and S.Kills so they can do what they want with it, but cutting your support to levelUp because of kotaku’s muckraking instead of simply just leaving it at writing an editorial is about the equivalent of smacking your child in front of the neighbor that caught them playing on their lawn. chastisement? fine. but disciplinary actions going this far to me seems like you’re far more concerned about appearances than you are about the people that contribute to the scene you are leaders in. i know the world is watching, but witch hunting and cutting your own is just as bad as any behavior you disdain.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tyler-Clark/100003205731496 Tyler Clark

    so did i miss something? , no big deal in my eyes

    when you dress like a nos girl of course this is going to happen

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Almeson-Hoku-James/100000479628267 Almeson Hoku James

    I want to say a witty comment, but all I can think of right now is;

    UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

  • http://www.facebook.com/Logansama Logan Sama Full

    Everyone is scared of putting off potential sponsors who could feasibly make them money. Which is the absolute worst and lowest reason to ever change your behaviour.

    Not being a creepy pervert to someone and making them feel intimidated is one thing. Saying which of the NOS girls is the hottest is completely different. I concur on the far right one being the pick of the bunch by the way.

  • http://www.facebook.com/EMP.TriForce.GameMaster Isaiah TriForce Johnson

    In case you guys don’t know what Inkblot is saying perhaps this is a more fitting translation. http://youtu.be/S96DVTtvXqY

    • Anonymous

      I like how that’s the EXACT KINDA TALK he’s condemning in the article, only its not towards a woman.
      I love Tropic Thunder though.

    • Anonymous

      I like how that’s the EXACT KINDA TALK he’s condemning in the article, only its not towards a woman.
      I love Tropic Thunder though.

    • Anonymous

      I like how that’s the EXACT KINDA TALK he’s condemning in the article, only its not towards a woman.
      I love Tropic Thunder though.

  • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

    Goddamn it every single time I see what you did to the poor people at WNF, I just get mad.

    You’re quite literally shitting on the efforts of Valle and the others who work hard at the place for something extremely trivial.  What you’ve done is worse than anything some two-faced piece of shit like Jared Rea could do.

  • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

    Goddamn it every single time I see what you did to the poor people at WNF, I just get mad.

    You’re quite literally shitting on the efforts of Valle and the others who work hard at the place for something extremely trivial.  What you’ve done is worse than anything some two-faced piece of shit like Jared Rea could do.

  • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

    Goddamn it every single time I see what you did to the poor people at WNF, I just get mad.

    You’re quite literally shitting on the efforts of Valle and the others who work hard at the place for something extremely trivial.  What you’ve done is worse than anything some two-faced piece of shit like Jared Rea could do.

  • Anonymous

    so umm…any one know when skullgirls is coming out?

  • Anonymous

    so umm…any one know when skullgirls is coming out?

  • Anonymous

    so umm…any one know when skullgirls is coming out?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/James-Murray/1145930754 James Murray

    I think its vastly unfair that this individual gets so much flak over this.  Sometimes it is gross to hear, but it’s being even more grossly blown out of proportion.  I’m sorry, but being even slightly part of the gaming community in general, you’ve had to of at least played on xbox live on either xbox, or xbox360, played some game(s) on PC and used Ventrillo, or something or another and you’ve heard this, in much more hateful tone, by very much younger individuals who shouldn’t even know the meaning of the words they spout off.  Has anyone writing an article on this issue played something like gears of war or holy god any of the Madden NFL games on live or counter-strirke on PC?  You would think the world is a bunch of hate mongers and sexual offenders after being on either of those games for even just an hour.  But the people are anonymous so its not blown out of proportion.  But someone actually gets recorded and has an actual name and now they are made to bear the entire weight of this seeming injustice in the gaming world. Sites like Kotaku (which i am a daily reader of) have indeed blown this way out of proportion (They as of right now have 4 separate articles on the same issue) as though they have no clue and just completely deny that there is an absolute abundance of these types of people not in just “The fighting scene” but in gaming, sports, media, well… Anything where competition is the name of the game you will have people talk like this. 

    Saying that this type of behavior represents the fighting game community is wrong.  Its like a crazed mob of people got caught looting a store and everyone agrees to say only one person in the group was looting, the rest of us were just all trying to clean the store and put everything back cause we are nice people, but him….. He’s a bad apple.  Don’t be like him.  Bottom line, this guy somehow became fighting gaming’s scapegoat to try and make the community (once again, specifically just the fighting community) a nicer place and that’s simply not going to happen. 

    And also people speaking about freedom of speech and that it should not be abused as such, you are correct.  But as the years go on, it’s honestly ridiculous how much we are now willing to censor ourselves because of how much the media does so.  People honestly get offended by the most minor of things and its getting worse and worse.  Please.  Stop letting the media dictate your lives where you adapt the FCC’s regulation on censorship to your own personal self.

    Anyway… Rant over… I LOVE YOU SHORYUKEN.COM!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/James-Murray/1145930754 James Murray

    I think its vastly unfair that this individual gets so much flak over this.  Sometimes it is gross to hear, but it’s being even more grossly blown out of proportion.  I’m sorry, but being even slightly part of the gaming community in general, you’ve had to of at least played on xbox live on either xbox, or xbox360, played some game(s) on PC and used Ventrillo, or something or another and you’ve heard this, in much more hateful tone, by very much younger individuals who shouldn’t even know the meaning of the words they spout off.  Has anyone writing an article on this issue played something like gears of war or holy god any of the Madden NFL games on live or counter-strirke on PC?  You would think the world is a bunch of hate mongers and sexual offenders after being on either of those games for even just an hour.  But the people are anonymous so its not blown out of proportion.  But someone actually gets recorded and has an actual name and now they are made to bear the entire weight of this seeming injustice in the gaming world. Sites like Kotaku (which i am a daily reader of) have indeed blown this way out of proportion (They as of right now have 4 separate articles on the same issue) as though they have no clue and just completely deny that there is an absolute abundance of these types of people not in just “The fighting scene” but in gaming, sports, media, well… Anything where competition is the name of the game you will have people talk like this. 

    Saying that this type of behavior represents the fighting game community is wrong.  Its like a crazed mob of people got caught looting a store and everyone agrees to say only one person in the group was looting, the rest of us were just all trying to clean the store and put everything back cause we are nice people, but him….. He’s a bad apple.  Don’t be like him.  Bottom line, this guy somehow became fighting gaming’s scapegoat to try and make the community (once again, specifically just the fighting community) a nicer place and that’s simply not going to happen. 

    And also people speaking about freedom of speech and that it should not be abused as such, you are correct.  But as the years go on, it’s honestly ridiculous how much we are now willing to censor ourselves because of how much the media does so.  People honestly get offended by the most minor of things and its getting worse and worse.  Please.  Stop letting the media dictate your lives where you adapt the FCC’s regulation on censorship to your own personal self.

    Anyway… Rant over… I LOVE YOU SHORYUKEN.COM!

  • Anonymous

    I guess inkblots girlfriend got mad? I asked my wife about this and she called you pussies.

  • Anonymous

    I could not thumb down this article anymore if I wanted to this was terrible. WHat you are implying is that two commentators at a random event (not to say WNF isnt big, but there are many tournaments out there) speak for the community. I hate this overracting sense we are taking to this. Yes what Aris did in that situation was not good. He could of handeled himself better, but you know what I don’t find everything he says objectionable. I believe were any can make a joke at someone and everyone laughs or just doesn’t have a reaction is a truely great one, but when we put up all these racism and sexual borders that split people in this Us vs  Them mentality. Honestly this article can kiss my ass.

  • Anonymous

    I could not thumb down this article anymore if I wanted to this was terrible. WHat you are implying is that two commentators at a random event (not to say WNF isnt big, but there are many tournaments out there) speak for the community. I hate this overracting sense we are taking to this. Yes what Aris did in that situation was not good. He could of handeled himself better, but you know what I don’t find everything he says objectionable. I believe were any can make a joke at someone and everyone laughs or just doesn’t have a reaction is a truely great one, but when we put up all these racism and sexual borders that split people in this Us vs  Them mentality. Honestly this article can kiss my ass.

  • http://www.facebook.com/victoly Matthew Taylor

    A shitstorm caused by articles and news reports by some self-righteous, sexist assholes drawing the lines of what’s offensive or not for other people has 629 comments and counting.

    You know what?  Just fuck SRK for the next while.  I don’t need to be in a video game website that doesn’t feel like discussing video games.

  • http://twitter.com/open_mix Alcofribas

    SRK, how about YOU stop shirking responsibility, acting hypocritically like you’ve seen the light overnight, acting like you never knew questionable things are ever said on stream.  I guess you get the luxury of “learning your lessons” and not really speaking out, while throwing LevelUpLive under the bus and forcing their hand to throw their people under the bus.  All to feed gaming “news” sites scapegoats, when they don’t really care about the community except as a tool to make a valid sociopolitical point and get more page impressions. 

    And how about you stop confusing the issue with the “hate” bullshit.  This just gives the opening to the say “but they’re nice guys”.  It’s not about hate, it’s that people might need to be made more sensitive to those around them, especially if people are trying to put up personal boundaries, and that different people take things differently.  The lesson that should be taken to heart isn’t that wanting to bone girls or making fun of things is hateful per se, it’s that people should care about people around them.

    Not everyone has a right to a mic, sure, but I don’t think it’s right for SRK to work in such a bureaucratic and reactionary way

  • http://twitter.com/open_mix Alcofribas

    SRK, how about YOU stop shirking responsibility, acting hypocritically like you’ve seen the light overnight, acting like you never knew questionable things are ever said on stream.  I guess you get the luxury of “learning your lessons” and not really speaking out, while throwing LevelUpLive under the bus and forcing their hand to throw their people under the bus.  All to feed gaming “news” sites scapegoats, when they don’t really care about the community except as a tool to make a valid sociopolitical point and get more page impressions. 

    And how about you stop confusing the issue with the “hate” bullshit.  This just gives the opening to the say “but they’re nice guys”.  It’s not about hate, it’s that people might need to be made more sensitive to those around them, especially if people are trying to put up personal boundaries, and that different people take things differently.  The lesson that should be taken to heart isn’t that wanting to bone girls or making fun of things is hateful per se, it’s that people should care about people around them.

    Not everyone has a right to a mic, sure, but I don’t think it’s right for SRK to work in such a bureaucratic and reactionary way

  • http://twitter.com/open_mix Alcofribas

    SRK, how about YOU stop shirking responsibility, acting hypocritically like you’ve seen the light overnight, acting like you never knew questionable things are ever said on stream.  I guess you get the luxury of “learning your lessons” and not really speaking out, while throwing LevelUpLive under the bus and forcing their hand to throw their people under the bus.  All to feed gaming “news” sites scapegoats, when they don’t really care about the community except as a tool to make a valid sociopolitical point and get more page impressions. 

    And how about you stop confusing the issue with the “hate” bullshit.  This just gives the opening to the say “but they’re nice guys”.  It’s not about hate, it’s that people might need to be made more sensitive to those around them, especially if people are trying to put up personal boundaries, and that different people take things differently.  The lesson that should be taken to heart isn’t that wanting to bone girls or making fun of things is hateful per se, it’s that people should care about people around them.

    Not everyone has a right to a mic, sure, but I don’t think it’s right for SRK to work in such a bureaucratic and reactionary way

  • http://www.facebook.com/ElGuapoJr Saul Cuellar

    Lets face it Aris aint ever getting laid, so let him hate on women, and stream monsters are always gunna troll. He is gunna cry himself to sleep later. way to block the cock, instead of guiding it dude. PS: keep trying to fuck trannies homo.

    • http://twitter.com/MiGaOh Michael G. O’Hair

      Incredible. Above is exactly the kind of behavior some people need to grow out of… smh

      Apparently you thought that was serious. Or are you joking? hahahahaha where’s the line lol! He was joking about marrying Kayo, not sleeping with her outright.

      Besides, in the 21st century, who in their right mind wants to get married?

  • http://www.facebook.com/ElGuapoJr Saul Cuellar

    Lets face it Aris aint ever getting laid, so let him hate on women, and stream monsters are always gunna troll. He is gunna cry himself to sleep later. way to block the cock, instead of guiding it dude. PS: keep trying to fuck trannies homo.

  • Anonymous

    Not that these are being read at this point, but SRK is really showing its immaturity. You aren’t having an open discussion about harassment, you are pointing fingers and throwing Level|Up under the bus. If you want to clean up the community and hold streams to standards, establish those rules for your sponsorship first. Don’t just go and act like a child when VG media has a hissy fit.

    Everyone outside the FGC will forget about this Monday, but SRK’s rash actions will help widen a rift in our own community. Cowards.

  • Anonymous

    Not that these are being read at this point, but SRK is really showing its immaturity. You aren’t having an open discussion about harassment, you are pointing fingers and throwing Level|Up under the bus. If you want to clean up the community and hold streams to standards, establish those rules for your sponsorship first. Don’t just go and act like a child when VG media has a hissy fit.

    Everyone outside the FGC will forget about this Monday, but SRK’s rash actions will help widen a rift in our own community. Cowards.

  • Anonymous

    Not that these are being read at this point, but SRK is really showing its immaturity. You aren’t having an open discussion about harassment, you are pointing fingers and throwing Level|Up under the bus. If you want to clean up the community and hold streams to standards, establish those rules for your sponsorship first. Don’t just go and act like a child when VG media has a hissy fit.

    Everyone outside the FGC will forget about this Monday, but SRK’s rash actions will help widen a rift in our own community. Cowards.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/6SC7BMYAJZWPFNUIZROE7DR544 Verified Truth Buddy

    NOS girls arent supposed to be seen as sexual objects? 

  • Anonymous

     I like how people in favor of this rude behavior are all like “oh you need to man up” or “stop being a pussy” or “I don’t care”, but it’s obvious that this article is pretty much hitting it where it hurts considering how many comments have flooded this page in particular in such a short amount of time.

    Amazing how people look up to pro players so much and yet can’t even be bothered to conduct themselves in a professional manner if they wish to stand on equal ground to them one day. Saying things like manning up or what crap have you when dealing with an offense like this doesn’t make you tough or better than the people who criticize you, it just makes you look stupid and you sure as hell wouldn’t even attempt to say that out there in the real world when you can just hide behind a computer and talk smack to your heart’s content.

  • http://twitter.com/CGRonin Jay

    This shit is getting way out of hand.  Now we’re pulling sponsorships because of what two idiots say on stream? Seriously??  It’s not like WNF, or  level up was sending messages telling people to “stop being butthurt” or anything.  I hate it when people overreact so they look good politically, and SRK is definitely falling in that category right now.

  • http://twitter.com/DanAlvaRadOh Danny Alvarado

    SFxT is the root of this drama……. Thank you Capcom, “FGC”, eSports……

  • http://twitter.com/DanAlvaRadOh Danny Alvarado

    SFxT is the root of this drama……. Thank you Capcom, “FGC”, eSports……

  • http://twitter.com/DanAlvaRadOh Danny Alvarado

    SFxT is the root of this drama……. Thank you Capcom, “FGC”, eSports……

  • http://twitter.com/DanAlvaRadOh Danny Alvarado

    SFxT is the root of this drama……. Thank you Capcom, “FGC”, eSports……

  • http://twitter.com/akumous akumous

    Just to shed a positive light on our darkest hr. Please read:

    http://www.twitlonger.com/show/g7543k 

    • Anonymous

      good for her not letting some pig keep her down.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Laswagga Norris Little

    So this wasn’t an issue when it was happening to Kayo Police, Cookie, or Karaface and those instances were WAAAAAAYYY worse.

    But suddenly, the negativity, aggressiveness, insults and childishness has gone too far?

    Great double standard.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1105103346 Vincent Chao

    I was gonna beat floe and win wnf with Gen…
    but then I got high.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brian-McAlister/100001501270453 Brian McAlister

    The articles posted here on SRK the past two days have really made me lose a lot of respect for inkblot, Level Up, & SRK in general.  A lot of throwing people under the bus, but not much taking responsibility on their own.  So its not OK for Marn & Christian to make fun of an absurd situation and the NOS girls on stream, but it is OK for Level Up to have a sponsor that brings in a bunch of girls who dress like sluts and set a negative sexist image for woman because that brings in $$$.  If sexism & racism in our community is such a big deal ethically why wasn’t this initiative to curb this done two years ago after the whole woman’s SF4/BurnYourBra incident.  Oh yeah cause there was no $$$ in resolving the issue then.  You expect the community to change when you can’t even be honest with them.  The only reason you guys care now is because it is fucking up your chances at that eSports money.

    Most of all, why is SRK taking a post on Kotaku seriously?  Its a site known for stealing articles, inaccuracies, and biased reporting.  Plus check the comments section of a Kotaku article.  You’ll see just as much (if not more) racist and hateful speech there as you would in any SRK post.

    • DC DC

      Brian, I think you missed the point. The sexism, racism and over all childishness is getting out of hand in this community. If it is ever going to transcend and become major, some thing needs to give. SRK has done a lot for this community. They set there and will promote your tournament on the front page just to help out. They have created forums for you to connect with other players. Mr Wizard founder of SRK help created EVO. In 2010 EVO had a 20,000 pot. How do you think they got that money? Did they get it from donations from like us? NO, they got it from sponsors. Some of you people are so self centered . You want people to pop off and entertain you but yet you don’t think of how this entire thing is put together and what holds it together.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brian-McAlister/100001501270453 Brian McAlister

        I think you may missed the point I was trying to make.  I complete understand the need for sponsorships and what SRK has done for the community.  Trust me I have been organizing tournaments for quite a few years.  What is wrong about these articles is that they are targeting the rest of community as the problem with sexism & racism, but then they turn around and get sponsors like NOS who objectify woman to sell their products at these events.  They are setting a double standard.  The only point I see they are making from these articles is that being sexist or racist is wrong unless its getting us money.  Coming from someone who is suppose to be a role model for the rest of our community this really bothers me.  Honestly if he would have just been straight forward with the community and said “Hey guys you don’t have to stop being who you are, but can you just watch what you say on streams and to the press.  We are so close to getting our big break that I don’t want to see it get thrown away by something stupid” I am sure more people in the community would have been open to his point of view.  Instead he has started a witch hunt against his own community that is just hurting things more than helping.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brian-McAlister/100001501270453 Brian McAlister

        I think you may missed the point I was trying to make.  I complete understand the need for sponsorships and what SRK has done for the community.  Trust me I have been organizing tournaments for quite a few years.  What is wrong about these articles is that they are targeting the rest of community as the problem with sexism & racism, but then they turn around and get sponsors like NOS who objectify woman to sell their products at these events.  They are setting a double standard.  The only point I see they are making from these articles is that being sexist or racist is wrong unless its getting us money.  Coming from someone who is suppose to be a role model for the rest of our community this really bothers me.  Honestly if he would have just been straight forward with the community and said “Hey guys you don’t have to stop being who you are, but can you just watch what you say on streams and to the press.  We are so close to getting our big break that I don’t want to see it get thrown away by something stupid” I am sure more people in the community would have been open to his point of view.  Instead he has started a witch hunt against his own community that is just hurting things more than helping.

  • http://www.facebook.com/christian.f.coble Christian Frazier Coble

    Why is there sand in everybody’s vagina for… this? There is waaaaaaaaaaaaay worse that can be said than this… smh…

  • http://www.tyler2k.com/ tyler2k

    Pulling sponsorship for something commentators said, who (I take it from the article) were already reprimanded by the Level Up crew, essentially barred from ever commentating for them again.  What a huge overreaction.  There’s something afoot and it ain’t sexual harassment.

  • http://www.tyler2k.com/ tyler2k

    Pulling sponsorship for something commentators said, who (I take it from the article) were already reprimanded by the Level Up crew, essentially barred from ever commentating for them again.  What a huge overreaction.  There’s something afoot and it ain’t sexual harassment.

  • http://www.tyler2k.com/ tyler2k

    Pulling sponsorship for something commentators said, who (I take it from the article) were already reprimanded by the Level Up crew, essentially barred from ever commentating for them again.  What a huge overreaction.  There’s something afoot and it ain’t sexual harassment.

  • http://www.tyler2k.com/ tyler2k

    Pulling sponsorship for something commentators said, who (I take it from the article) were already reprimanded by the Level Up crew, essentially barred from ever commentating for them again.  What a huge overreaction.  There’s something afoot and it ain’t sexual harassment.

  • http://www.tyler2k.com/ tyler2k

    Pulling sponsorship for something commentators said, who (I take it from the article) were already reprimanded by the Level Up crew, essentially barred from ever commentating for them again.  What a huge overreaction.  There’s something afoot and it ain’t sexual harassment.

  • http://www.tyler2k.com/ tyler2k

    Pulling sponsorship for something commentators said, who (I take it from the article) were already reprimanded by the Level Up crew, essentially barred from ever commentating for them again.  What a huge overreaction.  There’s something afoot and it ain’t sexual harassment.

  • http://www.tyler2k.com/ tyler2k

    Pulling sponsorship for something commentators said, who (I take it from the article) were already reprimanded by the Level Up crew, essentially barred from ever commentating for them again.  What a huge overreaction.  There’s something afoot and it ain’t sexual harassment.

  • http://www.tyler2k.com/ tyler2k

    Pulling sponsorship for something commentators said, who (I take it from the article) were already reprimanded by the Level Up crew, essentially barred from ever commentating for them again.  What a huge overreaction.  There’s something afoot and it ain’t sexual harassment.

  • http://www.tyler2k.com/ tyler2k

    Pulling sponsorship for something commentators said, who (I take it from the article) were already reprimanded by the Level Up crew, essentially barred from ever commentating for them again.  What a huge overreaction.  There’s something afoot and it ain’t sexual harassment.

  • http://www.tyler2k.com/ tyler2k

    Pulling sponsorship for something commentators said, who (I take it from the article) were already reprimanded by the Level Up crew, essentially barred from ever commentating for them again.  What a huge overreaction.  There’s something afoot and it ain’t sexual harassment.

  • http://www.tyler2k.com/ tyler2k

    Pulling sponsorship for something commentators said, who (I take it from the article) were already reprimanded by the Level Up crew, essentially barred from ever commentating for them again.  What a huge overreaction.  There’s something afoot and it ain’t sexual harassment.

  • http://www.facebook.com/SRKJD J.D Gonzalez

    Are you guys retiring sponsorship of WNF just for season 1, or you guys are gone until next year??

  • Anonymous

    this is internet.
     why are people pissed?

    • DC DC

      This is the internet, what are people pissed?….That statement right there shows the mentality of some people. They feel as if because I am in front of a screen and key board I can pop off as much as I like because I am not in your face and its not a big deal. Well the problem is, it is a big deal because some of you have no restraint because you are always plugged in. You don’t know whats appropriate and whats not? When to say something and when not to say something? If i am with my guys, I will talk about smashing this chick and her boobs are big and a million other things. When I am in front of women, public etc. I am going to be the most well mannered guy you will ever meet. Some of you don’t know how to do that. To you this is acceptable and what’s the big deal. Its a huge deal. Freedom of speech is just that but also you have to know and have some restraint.

      • Anonymous

        But doesn’t that just make you, like, a two-faced snake?

    • DC DC

      This is the internet, what are people pissed?….That statement right there shows the mentality of some people. They feel as if because I am in front of a screen and key board I can pop off as much as I like because I am not in your face and its not a big deal. Well the problem is, it is a big deal because some of you have no restraint because you are always plugged in. You don’t know whats appropriate and whats not? When to say something and when not to say something? If i am with my guys, I will talk about smashing this chick and her boobs are big and a million other things. When I am in front of women, public etc. I am going to be the most well mannered guy you will ever meet. Some of you don’t know how to do that. To you this is acceptable and what’s the big deal. Its a huge deal. Freedom of speech is just that but also you have to know and have some restraint.

  • Anonymous

    this is internet.
     why are people pissed?

  • http://www.facebook.com/thejagamemnon Jay Salinas

    WHAT?!  You’re pulling sponsorship on Level|Up when it wasn’t even one of their affiliates that was casting?  They’re already holding themselves accountable, why throw salt in the wound?

  • http://twitter.com/Monkeyto Anto Nick / アントニク

    The actions taken here are certainly the way to go. EVO are not fucking about and I hope tournaments and commentators will take notice and follow though by showing a bit more maturity where it counts

  • http://www.facebook.com/theoriginalgame Fernando TheGame Febles

    I don’t get it, why pull the sponsorship away from Level Up when it’s not even there own guys? I understand its shady and sexual harassment isn’t tolerated in any form, but come on now.

    • DC DC

      They pulled it because they are taking responsibility as a
      company themselves to say: We don’t condone, support this behavior. Even though
      Level up corrected the situation as a sponsor you have obligations as a company
      to show that you have a zero tolerance policy towards this sort of behavior. I
      have read a lot of comments on here that seem to be so passive about the
      situation and feel as if what’s the big deal. This is a huge deal when you are
      a business. SRK reputation is on the line. They are doing huge things for this
      community. EVO is one of them and to allow some children to destroy the road
      they are building is not acceptable. I feel people should be madder than what
      they are. Finally companies are taking our opinions and looking at our
      community seriously and then to have this type of behavior glorified. Did you
      know Toyota sponsored Evo I think last year? What in the hell impression would
      this be to Toyota or any other major company if SRK had no morality policy? I
      know some of you think it is cool to hear these guys pop off but then you look
      at MLG and wonder why we don’t have bigger pots? Why can’t these major
      sponsors, sponsor me? Well here is the reason. You can’t have people pop off
      and then expect all of these glorious things to happen for you. Its not going
      to work. Capcom should really fire whoever came up with the reality show idea
      and whoever suggested Aris. As far as Wednesday night fights goes, this is a
      wake up call to watch who you allow to speak on stream.

      • http://www.facebook.com/theoriginalgame Fernando TheGame Febles

         Toyota? I haven’t heard about them sponsoring since what 07?

        Still I feel that the work these guys put in for the scene, they shouldn’t have there sponsorship revoked just because of two people. That’s my opinion though. I understand how business works but it doesn’t mean I have to like it as well.

      • http://www.facebook.com/theoriginalgame Fernando TheGame Febles

         Toyota? I haven’t heard about them sponsoring since what 07?

        Still I feel that the work these guys put in for the scene, they shouldn’t have there sponsorship revoked just because of two people. That’s my opinion though. I understand how business works but it doesn’t mean I have to like it as well.

  • Anonymous

    Its funny how much the article talks about “hate”. Hate speech this hate speech that. I don’t hear any hate in that video. I don’t hear a single word of hate.

    And for god’s sakes, we’re mad that they’re talking about the NOS girls? They’re MODELS, they’re HIRED TO BE LOOKED AT.

  • Anonymous

    Let me give my two cents on this first wow over 700 hundred comments lol . Anyway to me this much ado about nothing. What you have is two guys talking the way guys do. Sure this might not be the best place for this sort of thing and I guess that is the argument. But, I feel like people are being overly sensitive. What man hasn’t said he wants to smash some hot chick before, or make fun of a situation that is serious, but you make light of it anyway. Me and my boys talk that way all the time. Hell I talk that way in front of chicks I know and its all good. To me if your making advances towards a woman in real life, and she is not interested. You still keep pressing the matter anyway. Yes that is a problem and is something that men do not need to be doing anywhere. Whether its a fighting game event or a club, that’s harassment. To make comments on a stream that is not made to someone face to face. I just can’t get that bent out of shape about that.

  • Anonymous

    I can’t believe the shit I’m reading from SRK. Last year, you don’t have this censorship bullshit. Now that ESPORTS and the MONEY is flowing in, we’re trying to be prissy and huggy all about the FGC.  You can clearly see the GREED that’s flowing in. STOP CENSORING THE FGC. FUCK THIS SHIT!!

  • Anonymous

    I can’t believe the shit I’m reading from SRK. Last year, you don’t have this censorship bullshit. Now that ESPORTS and the MONEY is flowing in, we’re trying to be prissy and huggy all about the FGC.  You can clearly see the GREED that’s flowing in. STOP CENSORING THE FGC. FUCK THIS SHIT!!

  • Anonymous

    I can’t believe the shit I’m reading from SRK. Last year, you don’t have this censorship bullshit. Now that ESPORTS and the MONEY is flowing in, we’re trying to be prissy and huggy all about the FGC.  You can clearly see the GREED that’s flowing in. STOP CENSORING THE FGC. FUCK THIS SHIT!!

  • Giorgio Mariani

    Just to clarify to everyone who seems to be confusing the issue, the problem isn’t that the commentators were leching on the NOS girls. The problem was that they were mocking the idea that what they were saying could be construed as sexual harassment. 

    This basically evidenced that both the commentators thought that the sexual harassment scandal was overblown and unwarranted. They made clear through their jokes that they either thought that Miranda hadn’t suffered any sort of harassment, or that if she had, this was irrelevant and really kind of funny.

  • Colin McDonald

    This whole situation has been stupid from the start, Marn was stupid for making stupid comments about someone being stupid on a stupid show. These articles are also stupid, beating this issue to death isn’t going to solve anything, neither is taking away players evo points. Marn should be banned from commentary, his commentary sucks anyways, Aris should never be on camera again, because he’s creepy. People need to draw the line when it comes to making jokes and being cruel, but offensive jokes can be the funniest. There aren’t too many people who haven’t laughed at some racist or sexist joke, don’t act like you haven’t.

    On a side-note; wearing a phoenix shirt that says “Rape That Bitch” to evo

  • Colin McDonald

    This whole situation has been stupid from the start, Marn was stupid for making stupid comments about someone being stupid on a stupid show. These articles are also stupid, beating this issue to death isn’t going to solve anything, neither is taking away players evo points. Marn should be banned from commentary, his commentary sucks anyways, Aris should never be on camera again, because he’s creepy. People need to draw the line when it comes to making jokes and being cruel, but offensive jokes can be the funniest. There aren’t too many people who haven’t laughed at some racist or sexist joke, don’t act like you haven’t.

    On a side-note; wearing a phoenix shirt that says “Rape That Bitch” to evo

  • http://twitter.com/MiGaOh Michael G. O’Hair

    The sponsorship suspension for Level-Up might be taking things a little too far… just sayin’.

  • Jay Watanabe

    I agree with Kotaku and a lot of other people that say sexual harassment is wrong, but the one thing i didn’t like about Kotaku is how they bunched up the whole community with like 3 people.  A community is made of individuals with individual values and opinions.  I do say that Aris is still stupid for saying the things he said along with the others.  Sex jokes should be left in private or at least not nearly as often as Aris said them.

  • Jay Watanabe

    I agree with Kotaku and a lot of other people that say sexual harassment is wrong, but the one thing i didn’t like about Kotaku is how they bunched up the whole community with like 3 people.  A community is made of individuals with individual values and opinions.  I do say that Aris is still stupid for saying the things he said along with the others.  Sex jokes should be left in private or at least not nearly as often as Aris said them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002208986470 Juli Doll

    Fighting Game Community hitting Smash Community status confirmed. Heck, maybe even worse. Stay free, guys.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Zak-Wayne/100002988963635 Zak Wayne

    i just wanna understand one thing…miranda was laughing the whole time and seeemed pretty cool about it. I never really saw her look/act offended by what Aris said…

    so why does it matter again?

    • Anonymous

      That’s the way some people handle stress and tension: they laugh. It’s easy to laugh something of the first couple times. But the more it goes on the more and more it becomes annoying/irritating/harmful. 

      Laughing something off is one of the easiest ways to not deal with something/not give attention to it. Whenever I am hanging out with someone and they say something weird I just laugh it off like “lol whatever man”. That’s probably what Miranda was thinking the first couple times. The problem is that it kept going and going, and it gets harder and harder to laugh it off as time goes on.

      Also you REALLY never saw her offended? Did you even watch that 13 minute clip? At the end she storms out of the room, visibly upset. And during the middle, she is obviously tired of his BS as she tries to ignore him and give 1 word answers. 

  • Anonymous

    Since when does a crappy mainstream site like kotaku get show time for making an article that pretty makes the FGC seem like a community of perverts. What right do these media ass hats have to judge us and what lack of sense do the leaders of SRK have to post this shit on the front page or even mention it at all.

    As a community we can handle our own issues and we should. I think it’s a big mistake to tout the opinions of outsiders like kotaku as the gold standard in which we should behave.

    We all need to come together and lay these fiascos to rest. We don’t need to validate the black eyes given to us by foolish mistakes made by leafees in our community and main

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=651955850 Royce Benda

    So it seems like most people just don’t get the point of the article. Aris’ behavior was just unacceptable, and I don’t want guys like that representing the FGC. Let’s face it, when you’re doing commentary on a broadcast being watched by thousands of people, including many that are new to the scene, you’re supposed to be a representative. Aris himself complains about shitty commentators who don’t know the game. I will complain about shitty commentators who behave like overgrown children who don’t know how to treat others like human beings. I personally never liked the guy, having listened to him speak on several other occasions. Whether this was streamed or not, the behavior is unacceptable, but the fact that thousands of people were watching made it worse. Look, the idea is to get more girls into the game, not drive them away by alienating them and emotionally abusing them. There’s quite a distinction between trash talk and what Aris was doing. I also get the sense that the people at Capcom, Level Up, whoever was in charge, don’t really know how to handle situations like this. The interview where Miranda said she was leaving was kind-of awkward, and any time you say “sorry if anyone is offended,” that’s a bullshit apology. You just say, “Sorry.” Not, “Sorry if…”

  • Anonymous

     SRK withdraws support from WNF who has never cheated the community but still works with PZ John from Houston who has failed to pay players among other things. So SRK only takes the high ground when outside publications are watching. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mikhail-Aristotle-Snake-Fridman/194307390 Mikhail Aristotle-Snake Fridma

    glad to see srk and level up call people on this bullshit. hopefully this is a good time for this community to evolve into what it deserves to be.

  • http://twitter.com/waynerainey Wayne Rainey

    In this day in age it is sad that racism, sexism, bigotry or any of that sort exists.  After the many hurdles and victories that past icons have fought for to inact change, it is unfortunate that there are still people out that go against it.  Sure, defenders will say, “but it’s okay, because we keep it within our special group,” but is it?  Even if it is used as no intention of any harm, and just for “jokes” to keep things interesting and light-handed, the use of such language and ideas can affect each and every person in a different way.  And now that we have things like live streaming, is this really the type of mentality we want to give the audience out there?  Bullying, Discrimination, all of it, I don’t care if used as a light manner, or worse: serious, has NO place in ANY environment, FGC or otherwise… public OR private. 
    People want to say that this has “been blown out of proportion” and that we should just move on, well obviously many people still want to perpetuate this type of mentality as evidenced by the comments in the stream above.  By putting this front page for people to talk about and discuss, websites like SRK are doing the right thing.  Change is best when it comes from within.  This is not a FGC problem, this is society’s problem.  The firsts steps have been taken to have a hopeful future were no environment like this can thrive. 
    If I can just change atleast one person’s side after reading this, and have gotten them to realize that although this type of stuff has been going on, and that it should be stopped, it has all been worth it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_APADHPOESDMOH5MABY7I74WTIA Bmonji

    Agreed. I am absolutely outraged that SRK would put this up! The entire piece at Kotaku makes the FGC sound like a group of heartless sexually immature pigs.

    This is not the communities problem, this is the problem of the individuals involved. The FGC isn’t the only community in the world of gaming with jerks in it! But that’s what these ignorant main stream dicks make it seem like.

    How dare you Kotaku! And how foolish of you SRK! Both IPLAYWINNER AND EVENTHUBS know better than to post this shit. They know how ignorant it sounds. SRK how can you not know this as well. Kotaku knows nothing of us and I am ashamed that a leader like SRK would even give those smug bastards the time of day.

    I DEMAND THIS BE MOVED FROM THE FRONT PAGE!!!
    Just like the rest of the fighting game websites!

  • Sage Hoge

    ya’ll niggas is gay
     -Riley Freeman on the state of the fighting game community

  • Sage Hoge

    ya’ll niggas is gay
     -Riley Freeman on the state of the fighting game community

  • http://twitter.com/Playsia Phillip Donald

    Super genius move here, 2 community commentators are idiots… Level|Up acknowledges and puts in measures to prevent it happening again… TAKE AWAY THE PLAYERS’ EVO POINTS!

    • Anonymous

      Bam this is the one, SRK only wants the sponsors to not get scared off, don’t give a damn about the players, otherwise they wouldn’t be punishing the players for two commentators. All these dudes that showed up for WNF expecting to be playin for EVO points? Fuck them we need $$$$

  • Anonymous

    Here’s my two cents on this issue. I’m one of the many “bad guys” out there. What makes me a bad guy, you ask. Simple. I’m a white male. It’s TOTALLY ok to make disparaging remarks about any and everything about stereotypes that represent “me”. How come? Is it because I’ve got it so good, silver spoon in the butt and all that stuff? Whatever. My point is, NOBODY gives a shit if I’M offended…ever…so now when any other group of folks has a problem with being all butt hurt (whether it’s valid or not), well, I just don’t give a shit. Women, blacks, latinos, Jews, etc. I don’t hate you! I’m just not apologizing to you…for anything….ever….free speech people! Use it while u still can!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KN7BEDLLOSABE334HGMTV7PZI4 NetherworldPrince

    Honestly I am disappointed at both Level up and Shoryuken for this. I understand this isn’t something to take lightly and agree with things should be handled a lot better but as someone who attends multiple events, and watches tons of competitive streams we see this stuff everywhere I could even name some people who talk so much crap on stream but its WNF that gets targeted and pulled. Should Marn and Christian apologize? of course they took a joke too far but should SRK pull points over something that took its time to develop and grow? Hell no. It’s just them trying not to take any heat but its honestly Aris who took things too far as a creeper and everyone else is playing into it.

    I work for a website too, but in no way would try to milk a story as much as possible like kotaku did because the gaming community does take care of its own as it has forever. Place like Kotaku want to create more problems to get readers, but I think SRK should just be this is a learning experience and from this point on we will work to avoid these problems. Since UltraDavid was playing and James Chen wasn’t around to help keep the pace of the stream as they are awesome at now Marn and Christian kind odf free balled it and did some dumb things, but It was taken too far by everyone else. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/Merkyl999x Kyle Ryan Banks

    This reeks of people trying to cover themselves in the face of a scandal (to anyone that’s going to waste time trolling, regardless of how you feel on the subject, public perception becomes the truth in these situations.)  This whole Aris nonsense is hardly the first case of prominent figures in the FG community not thinking before they speak or realizing how many people they’re reaching when they talk into the mic.  Big 2 this past week had Matrix telling people to hit up some porn and ‘beat it’ between matches (with a catchy hook to accompany.)  I wish I could remember the exact stream it came from, but a week or 2 back there were 2 commentators making Jewish jokes for a decent chunk of time.  It’s all or nothing, guys, you can’t say you’re not okay with sexual harrasment while ignoring everything else that goes on during these streams.  There is no reason for anyone who attached their name (or their businesses name) to Cross Assault or any other big stream to act surprised at the outcome or the content that comes from it.

    Stream monsters can troll all they want but many of these larger communities have a legitimate chance to create sustainable businesses.  This means better quality streams, better tourneys, better competition, and more public interest in the FG community which leads to developers putting more effort in creating games and content which loops us right back again. Whether or not you’re pissing and moaning about the word E-sports this is good for everyone in the community (assuming you actually like FGs…if you don’t, 4chan is back that way.)

  • Anonymous

    The worst thing about this is that it makes Valle look bad, the one person who is so nice and like a “father figure” in the community.

    I feel really bad for Valle for this. He doesn’t deserve having his brand getting this severe of punishment.

  • Anonymous

    The worst thing about this is that it makes Valle look bad, the one person who is so nice and like a “father figure” in the community.

    I feel really bad for Valle for this. He doesn’t deserve having his brand getting this severe of punishment.

  • Anonymous

    The worst thing about this is that it makes Valle look bad, the one person who is so nice and like a “father figure” in the community.

    I feel really bad for Valle for this. He doesn’t deserve having his brand getting this severe of punishment.

  • Anonymous

    The worst thing about this is that it makes Valle look bad, the one person who is so nice and like a “father figure” in the community.

    I feel really bad for Valle for this. He doesn’t deserve having his brand getting this severe of punishment.

  • http://www.facebook.com/EMP.TriForce.GameMaster Isaiah TriForce Johnson
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  • blaziner

    who cares! honest to god, have you seen rampage jackson dry hump some chick on UFC! she clearly did not like it, but that changed nothing.

    stop worrying about others feelings and worry about how to get SRK into the lime light, SRK should have its own tv channel, with some cool mutha fucka`s fucking bitchis and making money.

  • http://www.facebook.com/phobercrar Jaime Morin

    My last post on the issue, hopefully it helps some of you to understand what’s really going on.

    EVO(The biggest fighting game tournament in the world) has sponsors that give it money.  Money to advertise, money for mutual benefit. Madcatz, Bandai, THQ to name a few…and Capcom most importantly.

    EVO, in turn sponsors smaller tournaments for mutual benefit as well.

    During one of those smaller streamed events, the commentators who where providing analysis of the gameplay, decided to throw racist slurs, and sexist comments.  Not the players playing, not the people at the tournament, but the persons behind the mics.  This gets seen by thousands of people and the smaller tourney gets EXTREMELY BAD press and is seen in a negative light with the public.

    Was this the players fault?  No.  Does this mean all gamers are sexist?  No.  Does this mean gamers can’t have those views?  No.

    Unfortunately, since it was the commentator, the person who represents the smaller tourney who said it, everyone at the event gets a bad rap.  And since the small tourney is representing EVO, EVO’s name also get dragged through the mud.

    Since EVO has sponsors it has to answer to, it really has no choice but to cut ties with the smaller tournament, in this case WNF.

    I think it’s the responsibility of WNF to make sure that stuff never hit the stream.  I’m not saying no one can talk dirty or share their views, I’m just saying WNF needs to make sure it stays off camera.  If that means avoiding live streams(recording them and releasing them a day later for editing) then so be it.  If that means showing the stream with a delay so you can beep out any obscenities, so be it.  It’s representing EVO and the fighting game community.  Because it didn’t fulfill that duty, EVO can have nothing to do with it because it’s name is being dragged through the mud right now. 

    Everyone is getting public view, and actuality confused with each other.  Is this going to change the way EVO participants behave at the actual tourney?  No of course not.  Does this mean everyone has to walk on eggshells?  No.  It just means anyone involved with EVO(EVO itself even), needs to be aware what is leaked/streamed out to the public when representing the fighting game community to protect it’s image.  If not, trust me, Capcom will pull out, Mad Catz will pull out, etc….  With the growth in visibility of the scene, EVO and tournaments with vested interested in EVO’s success(like WNF) will be held to higher standards – thus is life.  If a commentator for the NFL where to say “Look at that n****r run”, he’d be fired and the NFL would be fined out the ass.  If it was a “guest commentator” who said that during an NFL broadcast, the NFL would still be fined out the ass and someone would still lose their job for letting it happen. 

    As for the argument “Oh EVO just cares about money and it’s just a business blah blah”…well fucking duh.  This is the only way the tournament can grow at it’s current rate.  If the tournament grows, the players benefit.  I bet the same people using this argument would have NO problem taking extra prize money and prizes given to EVO by sponsors if they won.  These people probably never went to EVO when it was in CA either.  Not that it sucked then, but it was a different experience.  No side panels, no extra prizes for winners, cash only for 1st, 2nd, 3rd place finishers, AND cash given was 70/20/10 split of entries for the game. 

    Quit crying, grow up and realize things are pretty good right now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brian-McAlister/100001501270453 Brian McAlister

    I think I may have been wrong at first thinking that these articles were doing harm.  In fact I think they have helped to prove something: Our community is not united and will never be united.  Maybe the FGC would be better off splitting like the Smash community did over Melee/Brawl.  The people who wanna go eSports/corporate and get their big events and money can go that route.  Those who wanna stay underground and preserve the heritage/culture of the community can go their own route.  That way you eSports guys don’t have to worry about those dirty mouthed neanderthals messing things up for you and you underground guys can be as vocal as you want without having to worry about those whiny pansies complaining all the time.  Hell a yearly eSports vs Underground FG event each year would be pretty hype too.

    • Anonymous

      But….how does that help the overall scene at all?
      That just means more niche fighters, underground scenes, and the game center/arcade scene would be back to square one post-2002.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-A-Sewell/100000890326094 Peter A Sewell

    Does it make me a bad person if I think she should have just sucked that shit up?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-A-Sewell/100000890326094 Peter A Sewell

    Does it make me a bad person if I think she should have just sucked that shit up?

  • Anonymous

    since when did SRK turn into counseling service, and people actually have to listen too.
    i ain’t saying this is bad, but seriously for a lot you, time to take a good look in the mirror

    you think you’re funny, you’re a joke…. so grow up

  • Anonymous

    since when did SRK turn into counseling service, and people actually have to listen too.
    i ain’t saying this is bad, but seriously for a lot you, time to take a good look in the mirror

    you think you’re funny, you’re a joke…. so grow up

  • http://twitter.com/cuesta_javier Javier Cuesta

    I don’t know how people are surprised. I hand’t played fighting games in more than 15 years. I started playing again a few months ago and started visiting SRK and other similar places also. The amount of morons posting offensive things is 90% of the comments. I miss the times when you went to arcades and if you insulted someone’s girlfriend you got punched in the face.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002137212435 Ashley Swank

      Don’t forget those same morons posting are hiding behind a PC monitor.  Kids these days think they’re pretty cool and ballsy for hiding behind a forum name and mouthing off. When we both know the sad reality is these same people live a pathetic meaningless existence of self loathing. How else would it explain their terrible behavior?

      • http://twitter.com/cuesta_javier Javier Cuesta

        Exactly. I wonder how many of them would dare insult someone who could kick their ass in person.
        On the other hand, the case that’s being talked about: You have a big ugly guy sexually harassing a girl…and people are