Street Fighter X Tekken – Quick Combo System Explained

I like how Capcom honestly believes THIS, of all things, is actually helpful to new players.

Or anyone.

At all.

*Facepalm*

It would help my girlfriend. Do you know what one of those is?

basically. 

Capcom: “It takes a block of meter! So it’s okay guys! I mean at least it’s not just shoved in there w/o any consequence!”

Fan: “Wow, awesome! I always had trouble w/ combos in VS and Marvel! Now, I can do it and stand up there w/ the big boys!”

SRK: “Really man? Since when did target combos become rocket science for these people?”

In all seriousness though no one is going to use this just like how no one uses 3P or 3K (Unless for some disability or play pad or personal preferences), I don’t know why they wasted their breath programming this “feature”. It’s A-B-C-C. How HARD is that? -_____-

Capcom: “It takes a block of meter! So it’s okay guys! I mean at least it’s not just shoved in there w/o any consequence!”

Fan: “Wow, awesome! I always had trouble w/ combos in VS and Marvel! Now, I can do it and stand up there w/ the big boys!”

SRK: “Really man? Since when did target combos become rocket science for these people?”

In all seriousness though no one is going to use this just like how no one uses 3P or 3K (Unless for some disability or play pad or personal preferences), I don’t know why they wasted their breath programming this “feature”. It’s A-B-C-C. How HARD is that? -_____-

Capcom: “It takes a block of meter! So it’s okay guys! I mean at least it’s not just shoved in there w/o any consequence!”

Fan: “Wow, awesome! I always had trouble w/ combos in VS and Marvel! Now, I can do it and stand up there w/ the big boys!”

SRK: “Really man? Since when did target combos become rocket science for these people?”

In all seriousness though no one is going to use this just like how no one uses 3P or 3K (Unless for some disability or play pad or personal preferences), I don’t know why they wasted their breath programming this “feature”. It’s A-B-C-C. How HARD is that? -_____-

Capcom: “It takes a block of meter! So it’s okay guys! I mean at least it’s not just shoved in there w/o any consequence!”

Fan: “Wow, awesome! I always had trouble w/ combos in VS and Marvel! Now, I can do it and stand up there w/ the big boys!”

SRK: “Really man? Since when did target combos become rocket science for these people?”

In all seriousness though no one is going to use this just like how no one uses 3P or 3K (Unless for some disability or play pad or personal preferences), I don’t know why they wasted their breath programming this “feature”. It’s A-B-C-C. How HARD is that? -_____-

I know a lot of my friends still play Simple Mode in Marvel 3, so guys, stop bitching, these are for the friends of mine who really need this. 

I know a lot of my friends still play Simple Mode in Marvel 3, so guys, stop bitching, these are for the friends of mine who really need this. 

…….

As long as it has a cost.  The scrubs will quickly learn that spending a meter in SFxT is expensive.

As long as it has a cost.  The scrubs will quickly learn that spending a meter in SFxT is expensive.

Honestly, coding something like this really could be done in almost a single breath.

Yeah, I can see how quick combos could make it easier to masturba- let your girlfriend play with street fighter x tekken with you..

Yeah, I can see how quick combos could make it easier to masturba- let your girlfriend play with street fighter x tekken with you..

Yeah, I can see how quick combos could make it easier to masturba- let your girlfriend play with street fighter x tekken with you..

Yeah, I can see how quick combos could make it easier to masturba- let your girlfriend play with street fighter x tekken with you..

Yeah, I can see how quick combos could make it easier to masturba- let your girlfriend play with street fighter x tekken with you..

Yeah, I can see how quick combos could make it easier to masturba- let your girlfriend play with street fighter x tekken with you..

why not teach the newbies how to do their abc’s instead of holding their fucking hand for everything

why not teach the newbies how to do their abc’s instead of holding their fucking hand for everything

I like how you think everyone who plays video games has the same goals as you.

I like how you think everyone who plays video games has the same goals as you.

I like how you think everyone who plays video games has the same goals as you.

Yeah, but simple mode in umvc3 at least was light, heavy, special, and you still had to do command normals to do them. From hearing this it sounds they’re saying “Here is a programmable controller, have fun doing a simple but effective combo at the cost of a meter”

You don’t learn anything from that, not that there’s much to learn from going lp,mp,hp,hp. Which even on a pad would equal out to be something like B,Y, LB, LB.  Do you know the amount of action/adventure games that require the inputs of B, Y, LB, LB with the not-so-strict-as-fuck timing that SFxTK allows? Hang on, let me list an entire series of games that has that timing, but slightly stricter. Devil may cry. If you can do simple combos in devil may cry you can do what the auto combo is set to. Or if you want to go further, if you can time combos in Dynasty Warriors you can combo ryu’s preset quick combo.

Micheal J. Fox on a bad day can combo ryu’s preset quick combo on an xbox pad in a human size drier in an earthquake.

If your friends seriously need help hitting three buttons in sequential order, and hitting the last one twice without any rhythm or timing please seek medical help.

Yeah, but simple mode in umvc3 at least was light, heavy, special, and you still had to do command normals to do them. From hearing this it sounds they’re saying “Here is a programmable controller, have fun doing a simple but effective combo at the cost of a meter”

You don’t learn anything from that, not that there’s much to learn from going lp,mp,hp,hp. Which even on a pad would equal out to be something like B,Y, LB, LB.  Do you know the amount of action/adventure games that require the inputs of B, Y, LB, LB with the not-so-strict-as-fuck timing that SFxTK allows? Hang on, let me list an entire series of games that has that timing, but slightly stricter. Devil may cry. If you can do simple combos in devil may cry you can do what the auto combo is set to. Or if you want to go further, if you can time combos in Dynasty Warriors you can combo ryu’s preset quick combo.

Micheal J. Fox on a bad day can combo ryu’s preset quick combo on an xbox pad in a human size drier in an earthquake.

If your friends seriously need help hitting three buttons in sequential order, and hitting the last one twice without any rhythm or timing please seek medical help.

Real players that have interest in the game will try to go beyond this feature anyways, if they want to stay casual, big deal. Good players stay good players.

Because… and I know this might come as a shock.. not everyone wants to actually get better at fighting games. Some people just want to mash some buttons and have cool stuff happen on screen.

I just dont think they’re moving in the right direction. It’s like having a macro for building your basic base in starcraft 2 automatically while you’re sitting on your ass watching.

I just dont think they’re moving in the right direction. It’s like having a macro for building your basic base in starcraft 2 automatically while you’re sitting on your ass watching.

Stop living in your E-SPORTS world for a minute. Some people buy games to…have fun (oh shit!) and they don’t care about being good, learning shit, getting better. That’s why there will always be an easy mode, assisted aiming, simple modes, etc.

Stop living in your E-SPORTS world for a minute. Some people buy games to…have fun (oh shit!) and they don’t care about being good, learning shit, getting better. That’s why there will always be an easy mode, assisted aiming, simple modes, etc.

re-defining aimed at casual players yet again capcom

amazing

re-defining aimed at casual players yet again capcom

amazing

sf x tekken: new generation of ScrubVirgins!

*shakes head, walks out*

*shakes head, walks out*

While I respect high level play, I think what people are forgetting is that long before people fixated on esports, beating J Wong, appearing on streams, acquiring battle points, etc.; people generally just played fighters to kick some ass and have fun doing it.  Not everything needs to be the epitome of high strategy/execution and massive amounts of depth.

While I respect high level play, I think what people are forgetting is that long before people fixated on esports, beating J Wong, appearing on streams, acquiring battle points, etc.; people generally just played fighters to kick some ass and have fun doing it.  Not everything needs to be the epitome of high strategy/execution and massive amounts of depth.

I like how you believe you know anything about game design when your only achievement is being a “self-described handsome fat man”.  And somehow, I highly doubt the handsome part.

I like how you believe you know anything about game design when your only achievement is being a “self-described handsome fat man”.  And somehow, I highly doubt the handsome part.

He actually doesn’t know what one of those is, he even got so offended at me saying I was married that he went on some tirade about how my wife must be cheating on me simply because he dislikes me.  Either he has no experience with women, or he was cheated on and so assumes it happens to every guy too.  Sad creature, really.

He actually doesn’t know what one of those is, he even got so offended at me saying I was married that he went on some tirade about how my wife must be cheating on me simply because he dislikes me.  Either he has no experience with women, or he was cheated on and so assumes it happens to every guy too.  Sad creature, really.

This may come as a shock to you, but not all of us who enjoy fighting games are ugly slobs with no social skills!

This may come as a shock to you, but not all of us who enjoy fighting games are ugly slobs with no social skills!

This may come as a shock to you, but not all of us who enjoy fighting games are ugly slobs with no social skills!

This may come as a shock to you, but not all of us who enjoy fighting games are ugly slobs with no social skills!

This may come as a shock to you, but not all of us who enjoy fighting games are ugly slobs with no social skills!

Thank you capcom, now my girlfriend will be playing with me instead of being in the kitchen making me a sandwich.

Nothing stopping her from making that sandwich as she plays, why do you think the quick combo system was added?

Nothing stopping her from making that sandwich as she plays, why do you think the quick combo system was added?

They wouldn’t need to put this in if they just made a proper fucking tutorial. You know, like every other game in 2011. I mean, how hard is it to make a mode that teaches blocking, punishing, combos, spacing, throw breaking, etc.? Nah, they just assume that new players are too dumb and don’t wanna get better anyway, so they might as well take out any incentive to learn the game.

They wouldn’t need to put this in if they just made a proper fucking tutorial. You know, like every other game in 2011. I mean, how hard is it to make a mode that teaches blocking, punishing, combos, spacing, throw breaking, etc.? Nah, they just assume that new players are too dumb and don’t wanna get better anyway, so they might as well take out any incentive to learn the game.

They wouldn’t need to put this in if they just made a proper fucking tutorial. You know, like every other game in 2011. I mean, how hard is it to make a mode that teaches blocking, punishing, combos, spacing, throw breaking, etc.? Nah, they just assume that new players are too dumb and don’t wanna get better anyway, so they might as well take out any incentive to learn the game.

I paused the Resident evil 6 trailer for THIS?? (JK, but seriously the RE6 trailer is up)

I paused the Resident evil 6 trailer for THIS?? (JK, but seriously the RE6 trailer is up)

I paused the Resident evil 6 trailer for THIS?? (JK, but seriously the RE6 trailer is up)

do you really need to comment on a comment while you comment on a comment?

It’s just a feature for people who just picked the game up to have fun.
I don’t get the skepticism, if you play fighters, just don’t use this yourself.
at least it can ease the introduction for potential new players,
and it does cost them to use it, so they’ll feel motivated to work to get beyond the need of it sooner. I think it’s a good idea.

It’s just a feature for people who just picked the game up to have fun.
I don’t get the skepticism, if you play fighters, just don’t use this yourself.
at least it can ease the introduction for potential new players,
and it does cost them to use it, so they’ll feel motivated to work to get beyond the need of it sooner. I think it’s a good idea.

If they want to make it easier for new people, remove their EX bar and just make links 3 frames rofl.

If they want to make it easier for new people, remove their EX bar and just make links 3 frames rofl.

 Maybe you should teach your girlfriend how to properly play the game?

are we talking about floe and marn! those guys are big and strong!

are we talking about floe and marn! those guys are big and strong!

are we talking about floe and marn! those guys are big and strong!

are we talking about floe and marn! those guys are big and strong!

You ever consider that maybe this isn’t intended to make noobs good, but maybe to get noobs to play the game at all?  Stuff like this is obviously to make the game accessible to people who would otherwise NOT play it – who would want to go through arcade mode pressing the same button over and over again.

And now that they’ve played it, maybe they’ll like it and play with their friends who are also new to it, they’re not expected to suddenly start winning tournaments.

You ever consider that maybe this isn’t intended to make noobs good, but maybe to get noobs to play the game at all?  Stuff like this is obviously to make the game accessible to people who would otherwise NOT play it – who would want to go through arcade mode pressing the same button over and over again.

And now that they’ve played it, maybe they’ll like it and play with their friends who are also new to it, they’re not expected to suddenly start winning tournaments.

If we found a way to channel ego into physical strength, Marn would be unstoppable.  I don’t think I had ever seen a virgin over the age of 15 who still thought they were hot shit until I saw Marn.

If we found a way to channel ego into physical strength, Marn would be unstoppable.  I don’t think I had ever seen a virgin over the age of 15 who still thought they were hot shit until I saw Marn.

you see, the problem with this is that noobs probably aren’t touching this game anyway because it’s a fighting game. They’re already intimidated by all the other crazy features this game has. This Quick Combo system isn’t gonna do anything to alleviate the situation.

EVO moment 2012:

“OMFG!!! Did you see that new player that pressed the macro button at the most crucial time of the match defeating Justin Wong?!?!? INSANE!!! And hes only 9yrs old!!!”

I guess it’s cool that they’re not afraid to experiment, but they’re going sorta overboard with this game, aren’t they? Choosing a crossover game to try out all these mechanics was an odd choice, imo.

I agree. I think it fits in with the Assist Gems. The idea is to help them hang around in the match longer. Capcom knows the meat of this game is online play and that can be brutal for new players and getting KO’d in 15 secs can discourage many of them from continuing to play. I think its a good idea. It’ll help people who want to learn understand what is possible as far as combos but regardless this tool isn’t going to win the match for them if they’re playing someone better. Anything that might help grow the FGC is worth a shot.

I agree. I think it fits in with the Assist Gems. The idea is to help them hang around in the match longer. Capcom knows the meat of this game is online play and that can be brutal for new players and getting KO’d in 15 secs can discourage many of them from continuing to play. I think its a good idea. It’ll help people who want to learn understand what is possible as far as combos but regardless this tool isn’t going to win the match for them if they’re playing someone better. Anything that might help grow the FGC is worth a shot.

>Some people just want to mash some buttons and have cool stuff happen on screen.

Where do you draw the line, though?

Plus, I still couldn’t imagine explaining even this easy-mode mechanic to my non-FG-playing friends…

“So, you can press A B C C do to this basic combo.”

Or…

“You can do this auto-combo if you press A + C, but you need 1 bar of meter.  What’s a ‘bar of meter?’ Oh. That blue meter on the bottom.  One bar is a third of the meter.  How do you get meter?  Well, from pressing buttons and doing special moves.  Here, let me show you how to hadouken…”

>Some people just want to mash some buttons and have cool stuff happen on screen.

Where do you draw the line, though?

Plus, I still couldn’t imagine explaining even this easy-mode mechanic to my non-FG-playing friends…

“So, you can press A B C C do to this basic combo.”

Or…

“You can do this auto-combo if you press A + C, but you need 1 bar of meter.  What’s a ‘bar of meter?’ Oh. That blue meter on the bottom.  One bar is a third of the meter.  How do you get meter?  Well, from pressing buttons and doing special moves.  Here, let me show you how to hadouken…”

Yeah. The way to properly play the game is to add the bacon before the tomato.

Yeah. The way to properly play the game is to add the bacon before the tomato.

I do not intend to bash the game, but is anyone else here NOT excited about this game? I WILL buy the game if it has good reviews, but I am not excited about it. It definately does not have the hype that UMVC3 or SSF4 had. I do not want to be a downer, but gems? quick combo? cole and does little cats? characters look like cartoons? Thsi is just such a downer. I hope the games turns out great though. But I am not excited. Also, whats up with the powzer music in the videos? I preferred the theme songs in the trailers of UMVC3 or SSF4! Does anyone else thinks the same?

I do not intend to bash the game, but is anyone else here NOT excited about this game? I WILL buy the game if it has good reviews, but I am not excited about it. It definately does not have the hype that UMVC3 or SSF4 had. I do not want to be a downer, but gems? quick combo? cole and does little cats? characters look like cartoons? Thsi is just such a downer. I hope the games turns out great though. But I am not excited. Also, whats up with the powzer music in the videos? I preferred the theme songs in the trailers of UMVC3 or SSF4! Does anyone else thinks the same?

I do not intend to bash the game, but is anyone else here NOT excited about this game? I WILL buy the game if it has good reviews, but I am not excited about it. It definately does not have the hype that UMVC3 or SSF4 had. I do not want to be a downer, but gems? quick combo? cole and does little cats? characters look like cartoons? Thsi is just such a downer. I hope the games turns out great though. But I am not excited. Also, whats up with the powzer music in the videos? I preferred the theme songs in the trailers of UMVC3 or SSF4! Does anyone else thinks the same?

I do not intend to bash the game, but is anyone else here NOT excited about this game? I WILL buy the game if it has good reviews, but I am not excited about it. It definately does not have the hype that UMVC3 or SSF4 had. I do not want to be a downer, but gems? quick combo? cole and does little cats? characters look like cartoons? Thsi is just such a downer. I hope the games turns out great though. But I am not excited. Also, whats up with the powzer music in the videos? I preferred the theme songs in the trailers of UMVC3 or SSF4! Does anyone else thinks the same?

Hmmmm ok. So let’s say Akuma is in the game, & you do the input for the Raging Demon (l.p, l.p, forward, l.k, h.p). Now most ppl who do it press l.k & h.p together, so will you get the Raging Demon, or the combo?

Hmmmm ok. So let’s say Akuma is in the game, & you do the input for the Raging Demon (l.p, l.p, forward, l.k, h.p). Now most ppl who do it press l.k & h.p together, so will you get the Raging Demon, or the combo?

COMMENTCEPTION

And I like how you got so mad about that comment that you had to answer it 4 times.

This may come as a shock to you, but not all of us who enjoy fighting games are uppity pricks who lack a basic comprehension of sarcasm.

This may come as a shock to you, but not all of us who enjoy fighting games are uppity pricks who lack a basic comprehension of sarcasm.

This may come as a shock to you, but not all of us who enjoy fighting games are uppity pricks who lack a basic comprehension of sarcasm.

This may come as a shock to you, but not all of us who enjoy fighting games are uppity pricks who lack a basic comprehension of sarcasm.

More than likely there will also be a macro button for supers so you wont have to worry about that.

Ok all jokes aside, they probably will dumb down the raging demon input so even 1yr olds can execute them.

More than likely there will also be a macro button for supers so you wont have to worry about that.

Ok all jokes aside, they probably will dumb down the raging demon input so even 1yr olds can execute them.

More than likely there will also be a macro button for supers so you wont have to worry about that.

Ok all jokes aside, they probably will dumb down the raging demon input so even 1yr olds can execute them.

when did you marry your right hand then? lmao.

when did you marry your right hand then? lmao.

damn right

“BURN!” I’d hear this… in elementary school. Quality zinger there, guy. It garnered 18 Likes as of this writing, so it MUST be good, right? Right?

Anywho, no, it wouldn’t help her at all. Or anyone’s girlfriend. Or anyone period.

I don’t actually think that, but hey nice strawman.

If you don’t want to get better at something why attempt it in the first place? 

Winning is fun. 

damn..the nerve of some people on here.. if the game helps makes casuals or non game players want to play the game or even enter the community im all for it… so people need to stop being such elitists and see this system for what it is….seeing some of these comments makes me think they want the noobs to go play kof 13 as they first fighting  game lol

damn..the nerve of some people on here.. if the game helps makes casuals or non game players want to play the game or even enter the community im all for it… so people need to stop being such elitists and see this system for what it is….seeing some of these comments makes me think they want the noobs to go play kof 13 as they first fighting  game lol

damn..the nerve of some people on here.. if the game helps makes casuals or non game players want to play the game or even enter the community im all for it… so people need to stop being such elitists and see this system for what it is….seeing some of these comments makes me think they want the noobs to go play kof 13 as they first fighting  game lol

damn..the nerve of some people on here.. if the game helps makes casuals or non game players want to play the game or even enter the community im all for it… so people need to stop being such elitists and see this system for what it is….seeing some of these comments makes me think they want the noobs to go play kof 13 as they first fighting  game lol

The problem isn’t it doesn’t help newbs (not noobs, there’s a difference) at all. 

Nonsense. Even the so-called “casual” audience playing a game realizes the whole point of a game is to reach a goal by overcoming obstacles, and that happens through betterment.

It isn’t just fighters. It’s also, say, Megaman. Or Castlevania. Or Gears of War. Or ANY GAME.

Try not to lose your blood pressure over this comment, Bitchicate, as this time I’m not attacking your laughable character, I’m attacking your terrible logic.

Guess what: even at the non-competitive level, game design actually *matters*. Shocking, I know, but it does. And while you’re dead on that not everything needs to be high execution (in fact, execution barriers should be lowered across the board, for all fighters, and most other games too), strategy is still really important at any level.

Those games that earn praise for being easy to play and difficult to master with a deep endgame? That can still be accessed by a new player, helping make that player better? They exist, and SFxT is trying really, really hard *not* to be one of them, by introducing nonsensical “accessibility” that doesn’t actually help.

What Sirlin did with HDR, THAT’S thoughtful accessibility.

What Capcom did with SRK shortcuts in SF4, that’s the exact opposite. And these preset combos are far more in line with that.

No need to reply, as I already know what it will be and that it won’t matter. But if you’re even a third as intelligent as you pretend to be, actually consider what I just said here.

Try not to lose your blood pressure over this comment, Bitchicate, as this time I’m not attacking your laughable character, I’m attacking your terrible logic.

Guess what: even at the non-competitive level, game design actually *matters*. Shocking, I know, but it does. And while you’re dead on that not everything needs to be high execution (in fact, execution barriers should be lowered across the board, for all fighters, and most other games too), strategy is still really important at any level.

Those games that earn praise for being easy to play and difficult to master with a deep endgame? That can still be accessed by a new player, helping make that player better? They exist, and SFxT is trying really, really hard *not* to be one of them, by introducing nonsensical “accessibility” that doesn’t actually help.

What Sirlin did with HDR, THAT’S thoughtful accessibility.

What Capcom did with SRK shortcuts in SF4, that’s the exact opposite. And these preset combos are far more in line with that.

No need to reply, as I already know what it will be and that it won’t matter. But if you’re even a third as intelligent as you pretend to be, actually consider what I just said here.

You know what would have been a way better “fun” feature?

The gem system, as a side game mode ala Heroes and Heralds.

You know what would have been a way better “fun” feature?

The gem system, as a side game mode ala Heroes and Heralds.

Actually, if a new player defeated Wong this way, that new player would be the better player.

Actually, if a new player defeated Wong this way, that new player would be the better player.

I’m not excited. I was before the CCG-esque grind they added, and even then I thought the game looked kinda-sorta a mess.

I’m not excited. I was before the CCG-esque grind they added, and even then I thought the game looked kinda-sorta a mess.

A B C D is too hard?  So you have to make it a 2 button press?  What’s next?  Calling out moves on the fucking Kinect?

Capcom fucking sucks as a developer these days. They’re living off and rehashing past glories, but they utterly fail when it comes to innovating and adding on, and keeping up w/ the times.

Why isn’t there a comprehensive tutorial system that teaches the inner workings of the game from beginner to advanced instead of derping the system for people who don’t know how to play? How about an advanced player DLC that overlays hit boxes during training and gives frame data while you play?  How about a repetition trainer for each character to make better players?

Sheesh.

A B C D is too hard?  So you have to make it a 2 button press?  What’s next?  Calling out moves on the fucking Kinect?

Capcom fucking sucks as a developer these days. They’re living off and rehashing past glories, but they utterly fail when it comes to innovating and adding on, and keeping up w/ the times.

Why isn’t there a comprehensive tutorial system that teaches the inner workings of the game from beginner to advanced instead of derping the system for people who don’t know how to play? How about an advanced player DLC that overlays hit boxes during training and gives frame data while you play?  How about a repetition trainer for each character to make better players?

Sheesh.

A B C D is too hard?  So you have to make it a 2 button press?  What’s next?  Calling out moves on the fucking Kinect?

Capcom fucking sucks as a developer these days. They’re living off and rehashing past glories, but they utterly fail when it comes to innovating and adding on, and keeping up w/ the times.

Why isn’t there a comprehensive tutorial system that teaches the inner workings of the game from beginner to advanced instead of derping the system for people who don’t know how to play? How about an advanced player DLC that overlays hit boxes during training and gives frame data while you play?  How about a repetition trainer for each character to make better players?

Sheesh.

A B C D is too hard?  So you have to make it a 2 button press?  What’s next?  Calling out moves on the fucking Kinect?

Capcom fucking sucks as a developer these days. They’re living off and rehashing past glories, but they utterly fail when it comes to innovating and adding on, and keeping up w/ the times.

Why isn’t there a comprehensive tutorial system that teaches the inner workings of the game from beginner to advanced instead of derping the system for people who don’t know how to play? How about an advanced player DLC that overlays hit boxes during training and gives frame data while you play?  How about a repetition trainer for each character to make better players?

Sheesh.

Any gamer, ANY gamer, cares about getting better.

This isn’t about “true” gamers even. The most casual of casual gamers looks to find a new tactic, a new edge, a new something to improve at any game.

Aiming at so-called “casual” gamers isn’t the problem.

This feature helps nobody, casual or otherwise.

Aiming at so-called “casual” gamers isn’t the problem.

This feature helps nobody, casual or otherwise.

Or, more likely, you can just not assign the simple combo to a button.

As mentioned, by more than one person, the quick combo feature isn’t helpful.

It isn’t about elitism, it’s about looking at a feature that accomplishes nothing and calling it on exactly that.

Some people don’t give a damn if they are any good at a fighting game. Only if they are having fun. And guess what, there are more of them than you which means their money talks louder than yours. Welcome to game development.

Best help is an in-depth tutorial mode like BlazBlue CS. That helped me appreciate all fighting games as a whole, and get better at all of them.

Yeah, because our Sims 3-loving girlfriends truly give a shit about learning links and cancels.

It would help my boyfriend. <.<

Guess you dont know about the 8yr prodigy NOAH who hulk smashed his way through people at EVO. MVC3 was a silly game though but this one takes the cake at being sillier. So I guess NOAH is better than a lot of people then huh.

No it wouldn’t.

Also what is this “girlfriend” you speak of ?

No it wouldn’t.

Also what is this “girlfriend” you speak of ?

No it wouldn’t.

Also what is this “girlfriend” you speak of ?

this lol

this lol

this lol

The average casual or even “hardcore” gamer plays to finish the game. Fighting games have a lot to offer but to a casual and even a hardcore gamer the primary objective is still the games full completion.

For fighting games the end game is honeslty no were in site and that is were the dilemma derives. The goal in these cases or in most cases when it comes to anything that has a video game competitive element is that of choice.

I can choose to finish the game with all the different characters and that will do it for me. I can also play the game on all difficulty levels. I can play  through the game and not be beating and the list goes on and on and on.

Its up to the individual to create the end game for themselves. Its up to developer to encourage you to immerse yourself in as many choices as they have to offer. 

Before Fighting games and mutliplaying games in general my only objective was finishing the game. Once I finished the game, I had the choice to go back and play. Ususally when I did this my skills natural progressed and it was somewhat of a subconcious effect I was unaware that my skills had improved I just wanted to replay through the game because I naturally enjoyed it.  

Its become apparent now that a few games have a practice mode Assasins Creed being one example. Before there was no such thing. You played you improved and you made the choice to continue playing or moving on.

Sorry I tend to rant I just like these conversations.

The average casual or even “hardcore” gamer plays to finish the game. Fighting games have a lot to offer but to a casual and even a hardcore gamer the primary objective is still the games full completion.

For fighting games the end game is honeslty no were in site and that is were the dilemma derives. The goal in these cases or in most cases when it comes to anything that has a video game competitive element is that of choice.

I can choose to finish the game with all the different characters and that will do it for me. I can also play the game on all difficulty levels. I can play  through the game and not be beating and the list goes on and on and on.

Its up to the individual to create the end game for themselves. Its up to developer to encourage you to immerse yourself in as many choices as they have to offer. 

Before Fighting games and mutliplaying games in general my only objective was finishing the game. Once I finished the game, I had the choice to go back and play. Ususally when I did this my skills natural progressed and it was somewhat of a subconcious effect I was unaware that my skills had improved I just wanted to replay through the game because I naturally enjoyed it.  

Its become apparent now that a few games have a practice mode Assasins Creed being one example. Before there was no such thing. You played you improved and you made the choice to continue playing or moving on.

Sorry I tend to rant I just like these conversations.

I think it’s some sort of…vegetable, no?

I think it’s some sort of…vegetable, no?

I think it’s some sort of…vegetable, no?

Oh Jesus Christ, the front page is getting towards /b/ levels of denial and AM I COOL GUYS logic. The skinny white guy cosplaying as SA-SU-KE from NAROOTOO in a convention has a girlfriend.
The 32 year old black fat guy eating hot Cheetos and doesn’t wear a belt to his job had five girlfriends. The 19 year old slacker with a disability has a girlfriend he makes out with constantly. The blatant furry who draws nipples as sentient lips who vomit splooge has a wife.
Past high school, a girlfriend is not impressive…AT ALL.

They can just pop in the game, go to training/tutorial mode and fire up a small tutorial on target combos via internet and done deal. People aren’t this stupid that they need this feature, right? Can’t these potential newer players at least have some personal initiative to learn something by themselves w/o any assistance (in game/ irl)

They can just pop in the game, go to training/tutorial mode and fire up a small tutorial on target combos via internet and done deal. People aren’t this stupid that they need this feature, right? Can’t these potential newer players at least have some personal initiative to learn something by themselves w/o any assistance (in game/ irl)

They can just pop in the game, go to training/tutorial mode and fire up a small tutorial on target combos via internet and done deal. People aren’t this stupid that they need this feature, right? Can’t these potential newer players at least have some personal initiative to learn something by themselves w/o any assistance (in game/ irl)

They can just pop in the game, go to training/tutorial mode and fire up a small tutorial on target combos via internet and done deal. People aren’t this stupid that they need this feature, right? Can’t these potential newer players at least have some personal initiative to learn something by themselves w/o any assistance (in game/ irl)

Funny that: I do know about NOAH and every match he won, he deserved to win. And yeah, at the time, he was the better player.

I assume your point was that the winner isn’t always the better player, but that point falls flat.

Well… yes.

It’s sad but there will always be a heavy level of snobby elitist to be found on sites like these. It’s to expected, they learned to play a game one way and expect everyone else to. Sadly, that’s just how it is.

But, for anyone with a level of skill that can even remotely can be considered above a “casual” level, this doesn’t pose any kind of threat. The combo will still have a start-up, there are still frames, they can still be hit out of them. And, if the other just mindlessly uses it, they lose meter for a combo they could have very well learned themselves.

Now, if that isn’t the biggest smack across the back of the head to get you to learn how to play this game, I don’t know what is.

tl;dr Let the “pros” be pros and everyone else will make their mistakes and learn the game in their own way

It’s sad but there will always be a heavy level of snobby elitist to be found on sites like these. It’s to expected, they learned to play a game one way and expect everyone else to. Sadly, that’s just how it is.

But, for anyone with a level of skill that can even remotely can be considered above a “casual” level, this doesn’t pose any kind of threat. The combo will still have a start-up, there are still frames, they can still be hit out of them. And, if the other just mindlessly uses it, they lose meter for a combo they could have very well learned themselves.

Now, if that isn’t the biggest smack across the back of the head to get you to learn how to play this game, I don’t know what is.

tl;dr Let the “pros” be pros and everyone else will make their mistakes and learn the game in their own way

You have to understand these fighting games are competing against “Right Trigger Fires Your Gun, Left Throws A Grenade”. This is a industry of instant gratification. 
There is a reason why a fighting game hasn’t been on the top 20 games played on XBL since week 2 after MK9′s release. Most kids don’t want to have to spend hours in a training mode just to have a shot at winning a match, they don’t want to memorize frame data and they likely could care less about the inner workings of the game. Putting “Now includes a Comprehensive Tutorial!” on the front of the game is not going to sell copies. I think Capcom understands the general public much better than you and I would argue that this innovation is keeping up with the times. 

You have to understand these fighting games are competing against “Right Trigger Fires Your Gun, Left Throws A Grenade”. This is a industry of instant gratification. 
There is a reason why a fighting game hasn’t been on the top 20 games played on XBL since week 2 after MK9′s release. Most kids don’t want to have to spend hours in a training mode just to have a shot at winning a match, they don’t want to memorize frame data and they likely could care less about the inner workings of the game. Putting “Now includes a Comprehensive Tutorial!” on the front of the game is not going to sell copies. I think Capcom understands the general public much better than you and I would argue that this innovation is keeping up with the times. 

I think i just threw up a little bit in my mouth.  First they say Gem system cannot be turned off so we’re not even sure how that will fare at the tournament scene… and now preset combos???  Seriously???  No need to learn this game.  Just buy the OP gem and mash lk+hk and watch your BP shoot up.  Thats what the little kiddy want anyways.

Cause that ez combo system would really level the playing field between you two..

Cause that ez combo system would really level the playing field between you two..

Cause that ez combo system would really level the playing field between you two..

Cause that ez combo system would really level the playing field between you two..

Cause that ez combo system would really level the playing field between you two..

Irrelevant, fun is subjective, irrelevant, idiocy. In that order.

I understand that Capcom is trying to cater to the casual crowd, and I believe helping casuals, noobs, w/e is good and helps support the FGC, but lets be serious for one minute…we all know that the, as I call them, ‘super casuals’ that Capcom is trying to cater to aren’t even gonna buy the game.

They will most likely play with a friend who has it, or get it thru Gamefly, have fun mashing buttons with their turbo fingers until their hands get tired, then put the game down completely & move on to something else. Sometimes making things too easy actually takes the fun out of it.

This is why I believe in the training wheels concept. Make it easy and gradually show them how to do a certain moves properly, as opposed to doing the move for them. Now before I get the ‘some ppl only wanna have fun’ comment, think about this…remember waaay back when you first started playing fighting games, had no idea how to do anything, then you did your first hadoken / shoryuken, and the happiness you felt cuz, hey you actually did it. Then remember when you learned how actually do the move properly, it made it fun because you knew how to do it, and it made you want to play more and try more stuff. I remember when I did my first fatality in Mortal Kombat in 3rd grade. Scorpion, hold block, up, up…when I did it I lit up (no pun intended), I actually started dancing because I was happy I actually did it. That made the game more fun and made me want to play more.

The whole ‘press this one button to do this whole combo’ thing is only gonna be fun for a very short time, but showing them how to play will increase the fun for them, and make them want to play more, thus increasing the longevity of the game.

I’m getting the game regardless, but I feel this casual, quick cash grab that Capcom is aiming for is not gonna work out.

TL:DR – it’s more fulfilling to do things yourself.

I understand that Capcom is trying to cater to the casual crowd, and I believe helping casuals, noobs, w/e is good and helps support the FGC, but lets be serious for one minute…we all know that the, as I call them, ‘super casuals’ that Capcom is trying to cater to aren’t even gonna buy the game.

They will most likely play with a friend who has it, or get it thru Gamefly, have fun mashing buttons with their turbo fingers until their hands get tired, then put the game down completely & move on to something else. Sometimes making things too easy actually takes the fun out of it.

This is why I believe in the training wheels concept. Make it easy and gradually show them how to do a certain moves properly, as opposed to doing the move for them. Now before I get the ‘some ppl only wanna have fun’ comment, think about this…remember waaay back when you first started playing fighting games, had no idea how to do anything, then you did your first hadoken / shoryuken, and the happiness you felt cuz, hey you actually did it. Then remember when you learned how actually do the move properly, it made it fun because you knew how to do it, and it made you want to play more and try more stuff. I remember when I did my first fatality in Mortal Kombat in 3rd grade. Scorpion, hold block, up, up…when I did it I lit up (no pun intended), I actually started dancing because I was happy I actually did it. That made the game more fun and made me want to play more.

The whole ‘press this one button to do this whole combo’ thing is only gonna be fun for a very short time, but showing them how to play will increase the fun for them, and make them want to play more, thus increasing the longevity of the game.

I’m getting the game regardless, but I feel this casual, quick cash grab that Capcom is aiming for is not gonna work out.

TL:DR – it’s more fulfilling to do things yourself.

Damn, lots of middle school insults on SRK lately.

When the hell did he say that? He simply claimed he doubts it would actually help new players etc significantly.
Why do you feel the need to white knight capcom with non sequiturs all the time?

Honestly, when I was a scrub, i considered hitting two buttons at once on pad to be harder than just mashing three buttons in a sequence. Sure, you could program harder combos, but will newbs really use them? Will they really be preferable in damage to ABC launcher considering the extra meter cost?

“Some people buy games to…have fun”
>implication that people who play it for mastery, competition, etc aren’t basically just playing it to have fun in their own way
You’re on the wrong site.

Honestly, this isnt even about dumbing shit down. I dont think this is genuinely helpful to new players, even on a casual level.

People play video games for fun? Sounds pretty shallow and lame to me!

Also whats the point of being mad? even if they do know how to shortcut you will always have a meter advantage and with that will be able to build more meter by ACTUALLY doing combos. The only thing to worry about are the fraudulent wins you will get from such casuals.

Also whats the point of being mad? even if they do know how to shortcut you will always have a meter advantage and with that will be able to build more meter by ACTUALLY doing combos. The only thing to worry about are the fraudulent wins you will get from such casuals.

This won’t help people want to get better at the game at all. Nor will it make people want to buy the game. People are going to buy the game either because they are into fighting games (casual or hardcore) or just because they like the street fighter or tekken franchise (but don’t really care about getting better).

The people who are into fighting games will already know how to do target combos or are at least willing to learn how to do it (its not hard anyways so learning won’t be a problem). And the people who don’t care about getting better are most likely button mashers so they won’t even care about this feature anyway.

Useless feature.

This won’t help people want to get better at the game at all. Nor will it make people want to buy the game. People are going to buy the game either because they are into fighting games (casual or hardcore) or just because they like the street fighter or tekken franchise (but don’t really care about getting better).

The people who are into fighting games will already know how to do target combos or are at least willing to learn how to do it (its not hard anyways so learning won’t be a problem). And the people who don’t care about getting better are most likely button mashers so they won’t even care about this feature anyway.

Useless feature.

This won’t help people want to get better at the game at all. Nor will it make people want to buy the game. People are going to buy the game either because they are into fighting games (casual or hardcore) or just because they like the street fighter or tekken franchise (but don’t really care about getting better).

The people who are into fighting games will already know how to do target combos or are at least willing to learn how to do it (its not hard anyways so learning won’t be a problem). And the people who don’t care about getting better are most likely button mashers so they won’t even care about this feature anyway.

Useless feature.

You’re right that improvement comes from overcoming
obstacles.  However, there is a bevy of
information needed for most users to reach a level of competency that many of
us think that should be easy and basic, that a lot of interested new players
will remain oblivious to. 

Even to this day, I have yet to see a game instruct players
how to perform common special moves and the timing required for them.  I’ve yet to see a game explain the concept of
cancelling: the fundamental element needed for performing even the most basic
of combos in at least 80% of all known fighting games.  Things like these do require research and
practice, which is not good for getting people to stick with the game. 

It is for reasons, like this that developers include items
like simple controls and Gems to allow new players to do some cool things immediately,
with a fighting system that has the worst possible conveyance.  You can’t compare fighting games, like Street
Fighter to games that have great conveyance, like Megaman or Castlevania,
because of their simple controls and simple goals: jump and shoot/whip. 

For more about ‘conveyance’, you should look up Egoraptor’s
Sequelitus Episode 2: Megaman vs Megaman X.

You’re right that improvement comes from overcoming
obstacles.  However, there is a bevy of
information needed for most users to reach a level of competency that many of
us think that should be easy and basic, that a lot of interested new players
will remain oblivious to. 

Even to this day, I have yet to see a game instruct players
how to perform common special moves and the timing required for them.  I’ve yet to see a game explain the concept of
cancelling: the fundamental element needed for performing even the most basic
of combos in at least 80% of all known fighting games.  Things like these do require research and
practice, which is not good for getting people to stick with the game. 

It is for reasons, like this that developers include items
like simple controls and Gems to allow new players to do some cool things immediately,
with a fighting system that has the worst possible conveyance.  You can’t compare fighting games, like Street
Fighter to games that have great conveyance, like Megaman or Castlevania,
because of their simple controls and simple goals: jump and shoot/whip. 

For more about ‘conveyance’, you should look up Egoraptor’s
Sequelitus Episode 2: Megaman vs Megaman X.

Oh no, I won’t lose my blood pressure(What sense does that even make, considering someone being angry would include their blood pressure skyrocketing, not being “lost”, but I digress) pedro, and while I could attack your laughable attempts to sound intelligent on a gaming site inbetween your daily job of picking strawberries on a farm in California, I’d just attack your simple little point made by someone who obviously never graduated middle school, let alone high school.

See the thing is, I actually do know design matters, surprise surprise!  And the most important aspect of design is, get this…  fun…  See, no one cares how deep or “strategic” your game is if it isn’t fun.  While I understand people hate dumbing things down in games, as do I, in this instance it’s honestly something that won’t affect high level play.  I mean, unless you honestly believe a crappy combo macro is going to allow someone to beat J Wong.  This feature is added for 2 reasons: admittedly laziness on Capcom’s part, and a desire to make it as easy as possible for anyone to get into the game fast and be able to “do cool shit” at the press of a button, which for people who don’t care about being some pro SF player, is FUN.  Same reason MK9 has so much blood and gore, no one honestly needs blood splashing all over the screen and it adds nothing to gameplay, but it makes it fun for people to watch.  This is that same kind of concept, simply exchange watch with play. 

And funny you mention Sirlin’s work on HDR, when the community ended up shunning him and treating him like garbage all because he made a few inputs easier, which just proves this community loses their shit anytime anyone dares to change even the slightest thing in fighting games.  Same reason that article a while back about fighting game design had a comment from a Japanese developer stating how it’s extremely hard to try anything new in the genre since the hardcore fans are so fixated on fighters being exactly a certain way, they’ll shun any game that tries anything different.  Which is proven by the nonstop whining about every single feature in this game, from Gems supposedly turning the game into Smash and ruining it, to supposedly some optional combo macro that probably isn’t even all that good making the game a “scrub game”.  Last I checked, UMvC3 has a simple mode, last I checked it’s also not a scrub game since simple mode is optional and won’t save you from being destroyed like a good player.  Much like how your smarmy remarks and grade school styled insults don’t save you from being destroyed by logic and fact.

Keep picking strawberries pedro, just be sure to wash your hands after you shit in the fields, don’t want anymore e.coli outbreaks due to your filthy swinelike habits.

Oh no, I won’t lose my blood pressure(What sense does that even make, considering someone being angry would include their blood pressure skyrocketing, not being “lost”, but I digress) pedro, and while I could attack your laughable attempts to sound intelligent on a gaming site inbetween your daily job of picking strawberries on a farm in California, I’d just attack your simple little point made by someone who obviously never graduated middle school, let alone high school.

See the thing is, I actually do know design matters, surprise surprise!  And the most important aspect of design is, get this…  fun…  See, no one cares how deep or “strategic” your game is if it isn’t fun.  While I understand people hate dumbing things down in games, as do I, in this instance it’s honestly something that won’t affect high level play.  I mean, unless you honestly believe a crappy combo macro is going to allow someone to beat J Wong.  This feature is added for 2 reasons: admittedly laziness on Capcom’s part, and a desire to make it as easy as possible for anyone to get into the game fast and be able to “do cool shit” at the press of a button, which for people who don’t care about being some pro SF player, is FUN.  Same reason MK9 has so much blood and gore, no one honestly needs blood splashing all over the screen and it adds nothing to gameplay, but it makes it fun for people to watch.  This is that same kind of concept, simply exchange watch with play. 

And funny you mention Sirlin’s work on HDR, when the community ended up shunning him and treating him like garbage all because he made a few inputs easier, which just proves this community loses their shit anytime anyone dares to change even the slightest thing in fighting games.  Same reason that article a while back about fighting game design had a comment from a Japanese developer stating how it’s extremely hard to try anything new in the genre since the hardcore fans are so fixated on fighters being exactly a certain way, they’ll shun any game that tries anything different.  Which is proven by the nonstop whining about every single feature in this game, from Gems supposedly turning the game into Smash and ruining it, to supposedly some optional combo macro that probably isn’t even all that good making the game a “scrub game”.  Last I checked, UMvC3 has a simple mode, last I checked it’s also not a scrub game since simple mode is optional and won’t save you from being destroyed like a good player.  Much like how your smarmy remarks and grade school styled insults don’t save you from being destroyed by logic and fact.

Keep picking strawberries pedro, just be sure to wash your hands after you shit in the fields, don’t want anymore e.coli outbreaks due to your filthy swinelike habits.

Oh no, I won’t lose my blood pressure(What sense does that even make, considering someone being angry would include their blood pressure skyrocketing, not being “lost”, but I digress) pedro, and while I could attack your laughable attempts to sound intelligent on a gaming site inbetween your daily job of picking strawberries on a farm in California, I’d just attack your simple little point made by someone who obviously never graduated middle school, let alone high school.

See the thing is, I actually do know design matters, surprise surprise!  And the most important aspect of design is, get this…  fun…  See, no one cares how deep or “strategic” your game is if it isn’t fun.  While I understand people hate dumbing things down in games, as do I, in this instance it’s honestly something that won’t affect high level play.  I mean, unless you honestly believe a crappy combo macro is going to allow someone to beat J Wong.  This feature is added for 2 reasons: admittedly laziness on Capcom’s part, and a desire to make it as easy as possible for anyone to get into the game fast and be able to “do cool shit” at the press of a button, which for people who don’t care about being some pro SF player, is FUN.  Same reason MK9 has so much blood and gore, no one honestly needs blood splashing all over the screen and it adds nothing to gameplay, but it makes it fun for people to watch.  This is that same kind of concept, simply exchange watch with play. 

And funny you mention Sirlin’s work on HDR, when the community ended up shunning him and treating him like garbage all because he made a few inputs easier, which just proves this community loses their shit anytime anyone dares to change even the slightest thing in fighting games.  Same reason that article a while back about fighting game design had a comment from a Japanese developer stating how it’s extremely hard to try anything new in the genre since the hardcore fans are so fixated on fighters being exactly a certain way, they’ll shun any game that tries anything different.  Which is proven by the nonstop whining about every single feature in this game, from Gems supposedly turning the game into Smash and ruining it, to supposedly some optional combo macro that probably isn’t even all that good making the game a “scrub game”.  Last I checked, UMvC3 has a simple mode, last I checked it’s also not a scrub game since simple mode is optional and won’t save you from being destroyed like a good player.  Much like how your smarmy remarks and grade school styled insults don’t save you from being destroyed by logic and fact.

Keep picking strawberries pedro, just be sure to wash your hands after you shit in the fields, don’t want anymore e.coli outbreaks due to your filthy swinelike habits.

Oh no, I won’t lose my blood pressure(What sense does that even make, considering someone being angry would include their blood pressure skyrocketing, not being “lost”, but I digress) pedro, and while I could attack your laughable attempts to sound intelligent on a gaming site inbetween your daily job of picking strawberries on a farm in California, I’d just attack your simple little point made by someone who obviously never graduated middle school, let alone high school.

See the thing is, I actually do know design matters, surprise surprise!  And the most important aspect of design is, get this…  fun…  See, no one cares how deep or “strategic” your game is if it isn’t fun.  While I understand people hate dumbing things down in games, as do I, in this instance it’s honestly something that won’t affect high level play.  I mean, unless you honestly believe a crappy combo macro is going to allow someone to beat J Wong.  This feature is added for 2 reasons: admittedly laziness on Capcom’s part, and a desire to make it as easy as possible for anyone to get into the game fast and be able to “do cool shit” at the press of a button, which for people who don’t care about being some pro SF player, is FUN.  Same reason MK9 has so much blood and gore, no one honestly needs blood splashing all over the screen and it adds nothing to gameplay, but it makes it fun for people to watch.  This is that same kind of concept, simply exchange watch with play. 

And funny you mention Sirlin’s work on HDR, when the community ended up shunning him and treating him like garbage all because he made a few inputs easier, which just proves this community loses their shit anytime anyone dares to change even the slightest thing in fighting games.  Same reason that article a while back about fighting game design had a comment from a Japanese developer stating how it’s extremely hard to try anything new in the genre since the hardcore fans are so fixated on fighters being exactly a certain way, they’ll shun any game that tries anything different.  Which is proven by the nonstop whining about every single feature in this game, from Gems supposedly turning the game into Smash and ruining it, to supposedly some optional combo macro that probably isn’t even all that good making the game a “scrub game”.  Last I checked, UMvC3 has a simple mode, last I checked it’s also not a scrub game since simple mode is optional and won’t save you from being destroyed like a good player.  Much like how your smarmy remarks and grade school styled insults don’t save you from being destroyed by logic and fact.

Keep picking strawberries pedro, just be sure to wash your hands after you shit in the fields, don’t want anymore e.coli outbreaks due to your filthy swinelike habits.

Oh no, I won’t lose my blood pressure(What sense does that even make, considering someone being angry would include their blood pressure skyrocketing, not being “lost”, but I digress) pedro, and while I could attack your laughable attempts to sound intelligent on a gaming site inbetween your daily job of picking strawberries on a farm in California, I’d just attack your simple little point made by someone who obviously never graduated middle school, let alone high school.

See the thing is, I actually do know design matters, surprise surprise!  And the most important aspect of design is, get this…  fun…  See, no one cares how deep or “strategic” your game is if it isn’t fun.  While I understand people hate dumbing things down in games, as do I, in this instance it’s honestly something that won’t affect high level play.  I mean, unless you honestly believe a crappy combo macro is going to allow someone to beat J Wong.  This feature is added for 2 reasons: admittedly laziness on Capcom’s part, and a desire to make it as easy as possible for anyone to get into the game fast and be able to “do cool shit” at the press of a button, which for people who don’t care about being some pro SF player, is FUN.  Same reason MK9 has so much blood and gore, no one honestly needs blood splashing all over the screen and it adds nothing to gameplay, but it makes it fun for people to watch.  This is that same kind of concept, simply exchange watch with play. 

And funny you mention Sirlin’s work on HDR, when the community ended up shunning him and treating him like garbage all because he made a few inputs easier, which just proves this community loses their shit anytime anyone dares to change even the slightest thing in fighting games.  Same reason that article a while back about fighting game design had a comment from a Japanese developer stating how it’s extremely hard to try anything new in the genre since the hardcore fans are so fixated on fighters being exactly a certain way, they’ll shun any game that tries anything different.  Which is proven by the nonstop whining about every single feature in this game, from Gems supposedly turning the game into Smash and ruining it, to supposedly some optional combo macro that probably isn’t even all that good making the game a “scrub game”.  Last I checked, UMvC3 has a simple mode, last I checked it’s also not a scrub game since simple mode is optional and won’t save you from being destroyed like a good player.  Much like how your smarmy remarks and grade school styled insults don’t save you from being destroyed by logic and fact.

Keep picking strawberries pedro, just be sure to wash your hands after you shit in the fields, don’t want anymore e.coli outbreaks due to your filthy swinelike habits.

Sequelitus is great. Amazing. Awesome. And a very poor example to offer for your argument.

It’s a great one for *mine* though, and in fact it’s even touched upon when Egoraptor talks about “the trick you taught yourself.”

Though you’re right that fighters do a very poor job teaching their new players. They need more of that. But this weird quick combo thing isn’t what’s going to do it. 

Shitty feature aside, no win will be fraudulent in that scenario. If “casuals” beat you with this feature, consistently, you may not be as good as you think.

I’ve never seen someone type so much and say so little.

Though you did, in your mess of grade school level analysis, touch on something valid: people don’t like change.

Unfortunately, the issue isn’t as simple as you. It’s also not as simple as you paint it.

Otherwise, trash post as usual.

WTF dude all that hate. Also you are wrong

“See, no one cares how deep or “strategic” your game is if it isn’t fun”
Well you are gonna have to break it down to us, because I don’t see how that implied definition of “fun” includes Chess and SFxT quick-combo shit.

The complain doesn’t come from thinking it will “affect high level play”, just from how tired we are of companies advocating stupidity. I get it, people are stupid and need an 8hrs tutorial (Super Mario galaxy) in order to be able to enjoy a game … well fuck that. Ok, companies need to sell, but they could at least try to find a balance between disgusting shit and good games … too bad they actually benefit from more people becoming idiots since it means less production costs (yeah fuck capitalism whatever).

Developers should be afraid of inserting new things because all they have been inserting is bullshit. I don’t remember people going crazy when FRCs were introduced in GG. I remember some criticism when Supers were introduced in SF2 but we quickly got used to them and understood their meaning at higher levels of play; just like parries in SF3. But there is no chance this quick-combo thingy will be like that, it has nothing to do with the mechanics I mentioned, it doesn’t add anything to the game. It’s like having this BIG special that only can be used in combos, consumes a bar and does 5 points of damage (and that doesn’t knockdown or anything advantageous). It’s just useless.

It’s for the idiots, and it’s bad for the idiots. “My girlfriend doesn’t want to learn combos” is bullshit, it’s like saying “My dad doesn’t like charging in Megaman X”. Sure okay he can play however he likes dude, but it’s just less fun for him. Charging isn’t that difficult and it’s more fun. Doing combos is fun, isn’t it? I think it’s fun, I still go to training mode in HnK and see what shit I can come up with. Some girlfriend doesn’t want to learn combos because she doesn’t care for the game, I’m sure some WoW fan out there can say he doesn’t find combos fun but can easily handle the high-level WoW techniques I don’t give a shit about.

I don’t find SMB3 fun. I don’t like how you pretty much have to memorize the stages in order to be able to run trough them (because walking is boring) without dying because your jump can be so long that you land 2 screens away just right next to a fucking tortoise. I think it would be nice to have like a radar or something, but I’d feel insulted if they added a mechanic that jumped for me. SMB is ABOUT jumping.

FGs aren’t about “comboing” so much, and that’s why this shit is also irrelevant, you can totally win without combos anyway! I have this friend who plays Slayer in GG and knows shit about combos, he just doesn’t care, he (used to) win by just frame trapping me and applying a constant and thick pressure (and lotsa throws).

What I am saying is that this shit needs to go away. A kid that plays Super Mario galaxy probably won’t grow up into someone who thinks when playing video games (millions of factors, just an example) because the game tells him “Oh my where is the fucking star” while the camera pans to show it. It’s ridiculous. In Super Metroid there is nothing that tells you that some block can be broken, yet you see the block has the same logo as your weapon and … like, you think and say “Maybe I can shoot this thing” and woah it breaks, cool. You are also familiar with that because right at the beginning you are trapped after finding the morph ball, and the only way out is shooting at this square that’s obviously the only way out and morphing. Also that area where there are blocks in front of you that just disappear when you shot at them, no need to even aim.

Also “This is that same kind of concept, simply exchange watch with play.” is just stupid. You just said gameplay gives the same kind of fun as graphics, do you even have hands dude?

Lotsa kisses! Bye.

Isn’t the whole game just ABC tag ABC super, like straight cancels? Not sure how necessary this is. 

Hey!  I never said what they’re doing for SFxT was exactly a GOOD thing for teaching people.  What would be a step in the right direction would be the tutorials in Blazblue, or using challenges (i.e. MK’s Challenge Tower) to teach basics during gameplay, as suggested by Ego.

What I AM saying about the Gem system and simple controls is that they’re Capcom’s understandable method for giving new players the power to access abilities they would not have because of possible execution barriers, nothing more.  They are not in any way meant to be training wheels of any kind.  They are tools designed to give new players more abilities to survive against more competent players.  Players who survive longer play longer.  Players who play long enough will want to learn more.  Only then, will the training and research process begin for them.

Regarding conveyance, I think you can compare them. Think of Bangai-O Spirits for the DS. That game also has little natural conveyance, that’s why it has this nice tutorial that pretty much explain absolutely everything (and is kind of fun). FGs need that. Honestly, I just imagine pressing one button and having the game do the combo for me … and it doesn’t seem like fun. It’s like QTEs without breaking the rules; QTE’s are there because you can’t really climb a giant’s arm and stab him in the eye with “jump” and “slash” in God of War. But you can do ABCC in SFxT and fuck it’s not even hard.

What I am against is advocating stupidity. What’s the point (for us) in attracting new players if they don’t care for the game? I can understand a company doing this shit, they want to sell and they kind of like stupid customers who don’t complain, but fuck I am totally against it.

FGs should explain their shit, not do it for you, otherwise there is no learning to do. And yeah maybe some people don’t like learning .. well fuck them. It’s not just learning the game, it’s learning to learn in general. Its crucial that we stop advocating stupidity because “some people don’t like to learn”. It’d be actually better if they dropped SF because it’s “too damn difficult” and went outside and threw rocks at a tree: hey they are learning about gravity!

That’s pretty much it: I’m tired of people having things easy, it’s not good for them.

better wait for T x Sf so we can do a hit per button. the manly way.

Ah, okay. Apologies if I was overly harsh.

XD

You tell em Nick!

Guys! Guys! Can we at least TRY this before we bash it to hell? It’s obviously meant for people new to fighting games where meter won’t matter to them at the beginning because they won’t know how to do anything. I believe that it should be up to the new players to decide if its useful not people who have knowledge of fighting games.

I’m with you.  I’m not for fighting games to completely stray from their mostly universal control schemes, or for them to be so simple that they completely lose their depth.  My stance on how fighting games should be in the future is: complicated inputs, like Haohmaru’s Tenha Fujin Zan from Samurai Showdown II (341236421 + CD [WTF]) should be replaced and streamlined, like how Street Fighter HD Remix took Guile’s Somersault Flash command (Charge 1, 319 + K [over 15 years later, I still hate this motion!]) and made it more manageable for more players (Charge 1, 2369 + K), tutorials for those new to fighting games, and challenges that allow people to play as they learn basic and intermediate skills, like MK’s Challenge Tower.  

I can accept the gems for allowing new players to access abilities they would not have access to because of execution barriers, but not so much that insults the human ability to learn and adapt for themselves.

I’m with you.  I’m not for fighting games to completely stray from their mostly universal control schemes, or for them to be so simple that they completely lose their depth.  My stance on how fighting games should be in the future is: complicated inputs, like Haohmaru’s Tenha Fujin Zan from Samurai Showdown II (341236421 + CD [WTF]) should be replaced and streamlined, like how Street Fighter HD Remix took Guile’s Somersault Flash command (Charge 1, 319 + K [over 15 years later, I still hate this motion!]) and made it more manageable for more players (Charge 1, 2369 + K), tutorials for those new to fighting games, and challenges that allow people to play as they learn basic and intermediate skills, like MK’s Challenge Tower.  

I can accept the gems for allowing new players to access abilities they would not have access to because of execution barriers, but not so much that insults the human ability to learn and adapt for themselves.

It’s all good.

It’s all good.

I know. I thought it up all by my self. I’d like to take this time to apologize though. I forgot that the SRK “community” doesn’t believe casual video game players exist and that any fighting game that’s made needs to be exclusively for the hardcore frame-counters who “play to win.”

People with different interests do exist outside of your bubble.

I know. I thought it up all by my self. I’d like to take this time to apologize though. I forgot that the SRK “community” doesn’t believe casual video game players exist and that any fighting game that’s made needs to be exclusively for the hardcore frame-counters who “play to win.”

People with different interests do exist outside of your bubble.

Indeed. My gf would rather be playing Cityville than a fighter, but we have fun mashing buttons from time to time. This feature would make the button mashing easier for her. 

Props to Ono for realizing that everyone’s definition of fun isn’t the same.

Proof positive why not familiarizing yourself with the arguments for and against something makes you look like a jackass.

As mentioned, which you would have seen by simply scrolling down, the problem with this quick combo feature is that it doesn’t help anyone. Not hardcores. Not casuals.

Also, the term “hardcore” and “casual” are really, really dumb. Assume every time I use them a little piece of me dies.

Anywho, different interests aren’t helped by this useless feature. There are umpteen better ways to appeal to new players.

Proof positive why not familiarizing yourself with the arguments for and against something makes you look like a jackass.

As mentioned, which you would have seen by simply scrolling down, the problem with this quick combo feature is that it doesn’t help anyone. Not hardcores. Not casuals.

Also, the term “hardcore” and “casual” are really, really dumb. Assume every time I use them a little piece of me dies.

Anywho, different interests aren’t helped by this useless feature. There are umpteen better ways to appeal to new players.

Proof positive why not familiarizing yourself with the arguments for and against something makes you look like a jackass.

As mentioned, which you would have seen by simply scrolling down, the problem with this quick combo feature is that it doesn’t help anyone. Not hardcores. Not casuals.

Also, the term “hardcore” and “casual” are really, really dumb. Assume every time I use them a little piece of me dies.

Anywho, different interests aren’t helped by this useless feature. There are umpteen better ways to appeal to new players.

Monstrously wrong and misleading, in like every way. Quick combos are problematic, but for very, very different (read: valid) reasons than you’re touting.

Scroll down and you will see that the point of the statement isn’t about having a girlfriend at all. The mention of the word seems to make you angry though. Bad breakup?

Hands on definitely grants insight, but just because the game isn’t out doesn’t mean we can’t thoughtfully discuss, praise, or condemn proposed features.

I think not, sir. You’re too far into the FGC to see it, but he’s right. Not everyone has to conform to the FGC’s… truly bizarre-at-times standards when playing any game they feel like. Capcom really is keeping up with the current landscape here.

Yes, yes, YES! Another person who actually gets it. I feel a little happier.

Yes, yes, YES! Another person who actually gets it. I feel a little happier.

Yes, yes, YES! Another person who actually gets it. I feel a little happier.

It’s so sad that for a community that strives to dissect games down to the most basic level, most of you can’t seem to grasp, or be bothered to understand fundamental game design principles beyond what’s needed to understand technical data. For all your pissing and moaning, if you’d actually look at the reality of the situation outside your own bubble, a whole new world awaits.

TL;DR = When you actually understand the wider scope of game design, it becomes a lot easier to spot legitimate problems, and solutions, rather than bitch it up on the internet.

It’s so sad that for a community that strives to dissect games down to the most basic level, most of you can’t seem to grasp, or be bothered to understand fundamental game design principles beyond what’s needed to understand technical data. For all your pissing and moaning, if you’d actually look at the reality of the situation outside your own bubble, a whole new world awaits.

TL;DR = When you actually understand the wider scope of game design, it becomes a lot easier to spot legitimate problems, and solutions, rather than bitch it up on the internet.

It’s so sad that for a community that strives to dissect games down to the most basic level, most of you can’t seem to grasp, or be bothered to understand fundamental game design principles beyond what’s needed to understand technical data. For all your pissing and moaning, if you’d actually look at the reality of the situation outside your own bubble, a whole new world awaits.

TL;DR = When you actually understand the wider scope of game design, it becomes a lot easier to spot legitimate problems, and solutions, rather than bitch it up on the internet.

It’s so sad that for a community that strives to dissect games down to the most basic level, most of you can’t seem to grasp, or be bothered to understand fundamental game design principles beyond what’s needed to understand technical data. For all your pissing and moaning, if you’d actually look at the reality of the situation outside your own bubble, a whole new world awaits.

TL;DR = When you actually understand the wider scope of game design, it becomes a lot easier to spot legitimate problems, and solutions, rather than bitch it up on the internet.

It’s so sad that for a community that strives to dissect games down to the most basic level, most of you can’t seem to grasp, or be bothered to understand fundamental game design principles beyond what’s needed to understand technical data. For all your pissing and moaning, if you’d actually look at the reality of the situation outside your own bubble, a whole new world awaits.

TL;DR = When you actually understand the wider scope of game design, it becomes a lot easier to spot legitimate problems, and solutions, rather than bitch it up on the internet.

It’s so sad that for a community that strives to dissect games down to the most basic level, most of you can’t seem to grasp, or be bothered to understand fundamental game design principles beyond what’s needed to understand technical data. For all your pissing and moaning, if you’d actually look at the reality of the situation outside your own bubble, a whole new world awaits.

TL;DR = When you actually understand the wider scope of game design, it becomes a lot easier to spot legitimate problems, and solutions, rather than bitch it up on the internet.

Don’t even act like you had a point there.
Its just a middle school insult you got called on.

Don’t even act like you had a point there.
Its just a middle school insult you got called on.

Don’t even act like you had a point there.
Its just a middle school insult you got called on.

Don’t even act like you had a point there.
Its just a middle school insult you got called on.

Don’t even act like you had a point there.
Its just a middle school insult you got called on.

Don’t even act like you had a point there.
Its just a middle school insult you got called on.

It’s not his fault people are stupid enough to walk into Hulk’s standing H months after the game came out.

I see so many people bitch and whine about how well Noah did, even though it’s really the fault of his opponents for not having a clue how to fight super armor.

It’s not his fault people are stupid enough to walk into Hulk’s standing H months after the game came out.

I see so many people bitch and whine about how well Noah did, even though it’s really the fault of his opponents for not having a clue how to fight super armor.

It’s not his fault people are stupid enough to walk into Hulk’s standing H months after the game came out.

I see so many people bitch and whine about how well Noah did, even though it’s really the fault of his opponents for not having a clue how to fight super armor.

It’s not his fault people are stupid enough to walk into Hulk’s standing H months after the game came out.

I see so many people bitch and whine about how well Noah did, even though it’s really the fault of his opponents for not having a clue how to fight super armor.

It’s not his fault people are stupid enough to walk into Hulk’s standing H months after the game came out.

I see so many people bitch and whine about how well Noah did, even though it’s really the fault of his opponents for not having a clue how to fight super armor.

Commencing biggest eye roll in the world, and… complete.

It has nothing to do with how far I am in the community (I’m not far at all, btw, but hey nice straw-grasping). It has nothing to do with “conforming.” It has to do with a guy posting wildly inaccurate things about gamers and gaming in general, and me factually calling it out as very wrong.

Capcom is keeping up with fuck all.

Commencing biggest eye roll in the world, and… complete.

It has nothing to do with how far I am in the community (I’m not far at all, btw, but hey nice straw-grasping). It has nothing to do with “conforming.” It has to do with a guy posting wildly inaccurate things about gamers and gaming in general, and me factually calling it out as very wrong.

Capcom is keeping up with fuck all.

Just ignore him, he’s a Skullgirls fan so he has no idea about how to make a successful fighting game that people besides anime otakus and neckbeards will be interested in.

Just ignore him, he’s a Skullgirls fan so he has no idea about how to make a successful fighting game that people besides anime otakus and neckbeards will be interested in.

Just ignore him, he’s a Skullgirls fan so he has no idea about how to make a successful fighting game that people besides anime otakus and neckbeards will be interested in.

Just ignore him, he’s a Skullgirls fan so he has no idea about how to make a successful fighting game that people besides anime otakus and neckbeards will be interested in.

Just ignore him, he’s a Skullgirls fan so he has no idea about how to make a successful fighting game that people besides anime otakus and neckbeards will be interested in.

And I like how you jumped in to give your boyfriend a reach around you little faggot.

Oh look, a typical anime fan; fat, ugly, smelly, has an anime girl as his avatar, and uses shit like “XD” as replies!

Go play your shit games in the corner where they belong kid

Lots of fat smelly anime game otakus on SRK pmsing it up as well.  You being one of them.

Lots of fat smelly anime game otakus on SRK pmsing it up as well.  You being one of them.

Lots of fat smelly anime game otakus on SRK pmsing it up as well.  You being one of them.

Somebody never had a girlfriend!

Somebody never had a girlfriend!

Somebody never had a girlfriend!

What’s wrong, jealous you didn’t think of it first?  Look, I know you’re too busy stripping down car parts to sell them on the black market to have time to wash up and learn social skills to charm a woman, but lots of guys actually can do just that!

Can you blame him though?  He has nothing going for him in life besides mowing lawns, he’s too fat and ugly to get a gf(which says a lot because even someone fat and ugly could get a gf).  Why, counting frames so he can beat people in a fighting game is the closest he’ll ever get to accomplishing anything!

Also of course you’d know all about what cosplayer has a gf, you wanna be Japanese weeaboo pedophile cumstain.  How does it feel knowing anytime your parents look at you, instead of seeing the son they always wanted, they just see the disappointment they wish they never brought into the world?

Why do you Skullgirls fans feel the need to bash Capcom games with lame one liners and unfounded criticisms all the time?  Go back to salivating over your game of shitty cartoon animated hookers and shut the fuck up.

Why do you Skullgirls fans feel the need to bash Capcom games with lame one liners and unfounded criticisms all the time?  Go back to salivating over your game of shitty cartoon animated hookers and shut the fuck up.

Okay, what is with the sudden burst of autistic butthurt?

Okay, what is with the sudden burst of autistic butthurt?

Okay, what is with the sudden burst of autistic butthurt?

Okay, what is with the sudden burst of autistic butthurt?

-sigh-

I’ll rephrase: You have your head so far up the FGC’s ass that you can’t see anything.

Ah, so you think rephrasing a nonsense argument into another nonsense argument is sort of like multiplying two negative numbers together.

Gotcha.

Hey idiot, is nice to see your 100000 troll account again, wasn’t you the same kid who was bashing SFxT in the MK article? and trolling the SG forum? btw mightfo is not a fan of SG.

this x 100000000000000

Your friends should be playing angry birds instead.

Go back to COD….

And KOF is hard to play? because of the trials or something? lol, Noobs in my community play KOF XIII as their first fighting game, because the game teaches them good fundamentals for every FG instead of asking for dumbed down shit, the difficult is right and accesible because the game offers a high skillcap and easy bnb’s, the current mentality of the average gamer right now is completely wrong.

Capcom is doing things right. They are in the business to make money, simple as that. Games are getting shorter, easier, and more expensive for the most part, and the ignorant masses are eating it up. Capcom understands that the majority of our society are lazy, and want instant satisfaction. I’d do it too if I were in the industry.

Truth be told, this feature is designed for people who dont want to learn how to play fighters properly. Doesnt matter if you hit a button, and a super/full combo/Neo Bahumut from ff7 comes out, random mashing is random mashing. You will still get bodied by a good player, and you will still get salty, and eventually trade the game in. You still have to know when/where/why to hit the button, regardless of what it does, so anyone who actually wants to delve deeper into the game wont use this feature anyways. Its just a gimmick to get more cash, but hey…im an advocate for making money….more power to capcom I say.

Capcom is doing things right. They are in the business to make money, simple as that. Games are getting shorter, easier, and more expensive for the most part, and the ignorant masses are eating it up. Capcom understands that the majority of our society are lazy, and want instant satisfaction. I’d do it too if I were in the industry.

Truth be told, this feature is designed for people who dont want to learn how to play fighters properly. Doesnt matter if you hit a button, and a super/full combo/Neo Bahumut from ff7 comes out, random mashing is random mashing. You will still get bodied by a good player, and you will still get salty, and eventually trade the game in. You still have to know when/where/why to hit the button, regardless of what it does, so anyone who actually wants to delve deeper into the game wont use this feature anyways. Its just a gimmick to get more cash, but hey…im an advocate for making money….more power to capcom I say.

Allow me to apologize on behalf of The Syndicate. He’s very, very angry with me for calling him on his bullshit in another comment thread, so he’s just throwing random rage everywhere.

I recommend ignoring him.

Allow me to apologize on behalf of The Syndicate. He’s very, very angry with me for calling him on his bullshit in another comment thread, so he’s just throwing random rage everywhere.

I recommend ignoring him.

Allow me to apologize on behalf of The Syndicate. He’s very, very angry with me for calling him on his bullshit in another comment thread, so he’s just throwing random rage everywhere.

I recommend ignoring him.

I’ll take that as “tl;dr”.

It’s comments like these that make me happy that people like you aren’t making this game. Stay bitter my friend.

Ummm….sites like these are created by and for the “snobby elitists”. You know, the people that actually have learned or are trying to learn how to play fighting games on a competitive level. For people who want to learn how to play a fighting game, this instant gratification combo will not help them learn properly.

Ummm….sites like these are created by and for the “snobby elitists”. You know, the people that actually have learned or are trying to learn how to play fighting games on a competitive level. For people who want to learn how to play a fighting game, this instant gratification combo will not help them learn properly.

Apparently LP MP HP HP target combo’s are hard now.

Apparently LP MP HP HP target combo’s are hard now.

Apparently LP MP HP HP target combo’s are hard now.

Is this the new SRK? This shit is a GameFAQs message board level of discourse.

Not arguing that. It would be pointless to even try, given the attention an article like this gets.  Point I’m making is, that it may not help them learn properly. In a way, that’s what I’m trying to get across. But, what I’m also trying to say is that people who truly have a desire to learn to play this or any other fighting game competitively will find their own way.

If they are truly serious about it, then they would know right away not to depend on such a system. The system wasn’t intended for use by players of a competitive skill level in the first place. 

Desperate straw grabs ftw.

Best argument I seen all week. Basically Street Fighter is underestimate people’s intelligent, and overestimating how many people can’t do those inputs.

Best argument I seen all week. Basically Street Fighter is underestimate people’s intelligent, and overestimating how many people can’t do those inputs.