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WNF Returns for 2012, now with a Dash of SRK

WNF Returns for 2012, now with a Dash of SRK
by on January 18th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

Wednesday Night Fights is back starting this February, and I’m happy to say that Shoryuken.com has signed on as a sponsor!  This means two things.  First of all, it’s personally gratifying to contribute to Level|Up’s efforts.  These guys continue to raise the bar on providing consistent, premier fighting game events.  But enough about me.  For the rest of you, it means that WNF competitors will get a chance to earn Evo seeding points!

Level|Up is also proud to announce that our WNF2012 Ranking Point system is now officially part of the Road to EVO 2012 Tournament Season! How will it work? What’s going on you say? For the first time, WNF2012 season finalists will have an opportunity to accumulate EVO seed points for AE2012 and UMVC3!

Check out the full release at the Level|Up site.  Good luck to Level|Up on their 2012 seasons!

  • Anonymous

    Cool… so do our local ranbats get some Evo points too? That’d be nice.

    /still a good stream that I plan on watching

    • http://www.facebook.com/SRKJD J.D Gonzalez

      Maybe if your locals become as big as WNF has become.

      • Anonymous

        how big does it have to be? what’s the magic number we are shooting for before our local scene is cool enough? i’m sure the east coast community is cool with it all.

        i like and respect players at WNF, but to have evo seeding points where just 1 community has the possibility to get them seems shady and unprofessional

      • Anonymous

        how big does it have to be? what’s the magic number we are shooting for before our local scene is cool enough? i’m sure the east coast community is cool with it all.

        i like and respect players at WNF, but to have evo seeding points where just 1 community has the possibility to get them seems shady and unprofessional

        • http://www.facebook.com/SRKJD J.D Gonzalez

          I’m not sure, I’m not involved in the decision making.
          Im just saying we can’t deny the huge accomplishments made by WNF, so its not a fair comparison to just call it a local.

          • Anonymous

            so i guess Big Two has to take like 5 weeks off with no tournaments, then they’ll be considered?

          • http://twitter.com/_ETR Christian Cain

            Because Big Two has been regularly providing tournaments, and streaming its event steadily for the past 2.5 years right?

            Oh wait. =X

            People need to look past the “This is just as good!” argument. Sure WNF takes time off (we need a break sometimes too) but it’s been doing this consistently for a while now. It’s the quality, and consistency that’s being recognized, along with the disparity Tom mentioned later in the thread. Big Two has been producing an awesome event for what, 10 or 11 weeks now? Good stuff. I commend them. I’m sure it will eventually be recognized for Spooky’s and the EC’s effort.

            But WNF has probably streamed over 100 weeks of events. See the difference there?

            “Road to EVO 2012: Salt Ahead” is all too true.

          • Anonymous

            @twitter-32648356:disqus
            (in response to christian’s comment below)
            To be fair, Big Two basically replaced Guard Crush, which replaced Battlefield Arcadia (thank goodness).

            so we’re talking about “Spooky’s weekly stream”, which has been going on for a long time.

            I did read the disparity argument from Tom and James, and i understand their point.  There should be something to even out the Evo points for the WC.  And maybe WNF is the only reasonable solution considering it’s already in place, and it’s not easy to just whip up a new major.

            But I just don’t get this whole “WNF is in another league” stuff.  60 people per game is a lot for a weekly, but you guys are still just a weekly.  And your best players don’t always consistently attend.  It’s like a special treat when J Wong or the SD guys shows up.  Whereas at Big Two, the best players rarely miss a week, and often travel to both The Break and Big Two.

            I also had to raise an eyebrow at Chen’s comment about how there’s “so much going on in LA that’s non-fighting-game related” it’s hard for them to attend every week.  I mean, come on.  If you’re a serious FG competitor, you might have to skip a couple parades or whatever it is you guys do out there.

          • Anonymous

            @twitter-32648356:disqus
            (in response to christian’s comment below)
            To be fair, Big Two basically replaced Guard Crush, which replaced Battlefield Arcadia (thank goodness).

            so we’re talking about “Spooky’s weekly stream”, which has been going on for a long time.

            I did read the disparity argument from Tom and James, and i understand their point.  There should be something to even out the Evo points for the WC.  And maybe WNF is the only reasonable solution considering it’s already in place, and it’s not easy to just whip up a new major.

            But I just don’t get this whole “WNF is in another league” stuff.  60 people per game is a lot for a weekly, but you guys are still just a weekly.  And your best players don’t always consistently attend.  It’s like a special treat when J Wong or the SD guys shows up.  Whereas at Big Two, the best players rarely miss a week, and often travel to both The Break and Big Two.

            I also had to raise an eyebrow at Chen’s comment about how there’s “so much going on in LA that’s non-fighting-game related” it’s hard for them to attend every week.  I mean, come on.  If you’re a serious FG competitor, you might have to skip a couple parades or whatever it is you guys do out there.

          • http://twitter.com/_ETR Christian Cain

            Yo, don’t mock parades until you’ve actually been on a float bro. That stuff’s magical.

          • http://twitter.com/md_nu m d nu

            @twitter-32648356:disqus 

            As far as I know, The “Guard Crush” series ran for 26 weeks, and was replaced by “Big Two”, which is at its 10th week. Not to mention Spooky basically streaming the majority of 2011′s tournaments, in the East Coast, Midwest, Florida, and Canada, plus EVO, given that LevelUp never even leaves California outside of UFGT.

            Don’t try to say that Team Spooky hasn’t surpassed LevelUp in its track record, because they have.

          • http://twitter.com/md_nu m d nu

            @twitter-32648356:disqus 

            As far as I know, The “Guard Crush” series ran for 26 weeks, and was replaced by “Big Two”, which is at its 10th week. Not to mention Spooky basically streaming the majority of 2011′s tournaments, in the East Coast, Midwest, Florida, and Canada, plus EVO, given that LevelUp never even leaves California outside of UFGT.

            Don’t try to say that Team Spooky hasn’t surpassed LevelUp in its track record, because they have.

          • Anonymous

            My point about the things to do in L.A. is mostly pointing out that it’s really, really hard to attend every week, so the points are not “freely accessible” to even the SoCal players as people think they are.  The general vibe I’m getting is that these points are “free” to SoCal members, when it’s gonna take a great deal of effort on many players’ parts to earn these points, especially since most of the points will probably go to people who are going to earn points anyhow from Majors (Justin, Floe, Combofiend, Clockwork, Fanatiq, etc).  So you have to really dedicate yourself for 8 weeks to win potentially 1 EVO point.  It’s just not an easy thing to do.

      • Anonymous

        how big does it have to be? what’s the magic number we are shooting for before our local scene is cool enough? i’m sure the east coast community is cool with it all.

        i like and respect players at WNF, but to have evo seeding points where just 1 community has the possibility to get them seems shady and unprofessional

      • Anonymous

        how big does it have to be? what’s the magic number we are shooting for before our local scene is cool enough? i’m sure the east coast community is cool with it all.

        i like and respect players at WNF, but to have evo seeding points where just 1 community has the possibility to get them seems shady and unprofessional

      • Anonymous

        how big does it have to be? what’s the magic number we are shooting for before our local scene is cool enough? i’m sure the east coast community is cool with it all.

        i like and respect players at WNF, but to have evo seeding points where just 1 community has the possibility to get them seems shady and unprofessional

      • Anonymous

        how big does it have to be? what’s the magic number we are shooting for before our local scene is cool enough? i’m sure the east coast community is cool with it all.

        i like and respect players at WNF, but to have evo seeding points where just 1 community has the possibility to get them seems shady and unprofessional

      • Anonymous

        how big does it have to be? what’s the magic number we are shooting for before our local scene is cool enough? i’m sure the east coast community is cool with it all.

        i like and respect players at WNF, but to have evo seeding points where just 1 community has the possibility to get them seems shady and unprofessional

  • Anonymous

    Cool… so do our local ranbats get some Evo points too? That’d be nice.

    /still a good stream that I plan on watching

  • rogueyoshi

    will be be seeing a similar deal for an east coast event like Big 2? or will this only benefit west coast players?

  • rogueyoshi

    will be be seeing a similar deal for an east coast event like Big 2? or will this only benefit west coast players?

  • rogueyoshi

    will be be seeing a similar deal for an east coast event like Big 2? or will this only benefit west coast players?

    • http://www.facebook.com/themightyraeli Kyle Bauer

      you know what they say

      “if it’s not in cali, it didn’t happen.”

    • http://www.facebook.com/themightyraeli Kyle Bauer

      you know what they say

      “if it’s not in cali, it didn’t happen.”

    • http://www.facebook.com/themightyraeli Kyle Bauer

      you know what they say

      “if it’s not in cali, it didn’t happen.”

  • rogueyoshi

    will be be seeing a similar deal for an east coast event like Big 2? or will this only benefit west coast players?

  • rogueyoshi

    will be be seeing a similar deal for an east coast event like Big 2? or will this only benefit west coast players?

  • rogueyoshi

    will be be seeing a similar deal for an east coast event like Big 2? or will this only benefit west coast players?

  • rogueyoshi

    will be be seeing a similar deal for an east coast event like Big 2? or will this only benefit west coast players?

  • rogueyoshi

    will be be seeing a similar deal for an east coast event like Big 2? or will this only benefit west coast players?

  • http://www.facebook.com/themightyraeli Kyle Bauer

    big two gonna get seeding points too?

  • Derek Jones

    will Cincinnati’s local ranbats get evo seed points?
    this is v/ important plz respond

  • Derek Jones

    will Cincinnati’s local ranbats get evo seed points?
    this is v/ important plz respond

  • Derek Jones

    will Cincinnati’s local ranbats get evo seed points?
    this is v/ important plz respond

  • Derek Jones

    will Cincinnati’s local ranbats get evo seed points?
    this is v/ important plz respond

  • http://twitter.com/oBLACKSTARo oBLACKSTARo

    Doesn’t this seem a little unfair?  The West coast gets 48 chances alone AT A LOCAL for some EVO points?  Getting a little carried away, huh?
    Glad to see Wednesday Night Fights back, because it feels a little empty without it.  :D  Moar clockw0rk akshun!

  • http://twitter.com/oBLACKSTARo oBLACKSTARo

    Doesn’t this seem a little unfair?  The West coast gets 48 chances alone AT A LOCAL for some EVO points?  Getting a little carried away, huh?
    Glad to see Wednesday Night Fights back, because it feels a little empty without it.  :D  Moar clockw0rk akshun!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/2ZSYMQBE4KZZV2SSMEFLHRNWZA dillon

      The distance you travel to compete shouldnt be what determines if it is worth seeding points or not, WNF has the numbers and competition that is worth seeding points, I think big 2 does as well. It might be unfair that they have a great local scene that most of the country lacks, but it isnt unfair to give evo points for doing well in a legitimate tournament.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/2ZSYMQBE4KZZV2SSMEFLHRNWZA dillon

      The distance you travel to compete shouldnt be what determines if it is worth seeding points or not, WNF has the numbers and competition that is worth seeding points, I think big 2 does as well. It might be unfair that they have a great local scene that most of the country lacks, but it isnt unfair to give evo points for doing well in a legitimate tournament.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/2ZSYMQBE4KZZV2SSMEFLHRNWZA dillon

      The distance you travel to compete shouldnt be what determines if it is worth seeding points or not, WNF has the numbers and competition that is worth seeding points, I think big 2 does as well. It might be unfair that they have a great local scene that most of the country lacks, but it isnt unfair to give evo points for doing well in a legitimate tournament.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/2ZSYMQBE4KZZV2SSMEFLHRNWZA dillon

      The distance you travel to compete shouldnt be what determines if it is worth seeding points or not, WNF has the numbers and competition that is worth seeding points, I think big 2 does as well. It might be unfair that they have a great local scene that most of the country lacks, but it isnt unfair to give evo points for doing well in a legitimate tournament.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/2ZSYMQBE4KZZV2SSMEFLHRNWZA dillon

      The distance you travel to compete shouldnt be what determines if it is worth seeding points or not, WNF has the numbers and competition that is worth seeding points, I think big 2 does as well. It might be unfair that they have a great local scene that most of the country lacks, but it isnt unfair to give evo points for doing well in a legitimate tournament.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/2ZSYMQBE4KZZV2SSMEFLHRNWZA dillon

      The distance you travel to compete shouldnt be what determines if it is worth seeding points or not, WNF has the numbers and competition that is worth seeding points, I think big 2 does as well. It might be unfair that they have a great local scene that most of the country lacks, but it isnt unfair to give evo points for doing well in a legitimate tournament.

    • http://twitter.com/RetroGabe Gabe Fowlkes

      Yep, a local that just happens to feature the best fighting game players in the country/world. Totally unfair

      • http://twitter.com/oBLACKSTARo oBLACKSTARo

        This doesn’t even make sense.  So you’re saying that every local with great players is worthy of Evo points?  Where are them 8 on the break or Big 2, Option Select or Starbase arcade evo points?  Think your replies through more often

        You also forget that a local, even with great players, is still a local.  They usually don’t pull in the numbers of a major, which would also have 200+ players, rather than 40 or so.  That’s also not mentioning the international pool majors attract.  Locals =/= Majors

        • http://twitter.com/RetroGabe Gabe Fowlkes

          The NYC and Norcal weeklies should probably get evo points too. Every local doesn’t have justin wong, combofiend, clockwork, chris g, marlin pie, etc.  That’s the point.  Number of people has nothing to do with it.  Is a tournament with 80 scrubs more worthy than one with 50 but filled with fanatiq, floe, killer kai, viscant, and the people who play against them every week? 

        • http://twitter.com/RetroGabe Gabe Fowlkes

          The NYC and Norcal weeklies should probably get evo points too. Every local doesn’t have justin wong, combofiend, clockwork, chris g, marlin pie, etc.  That’s the point.  Number of people has nothing to do with it.  Is a tournament with 80 scrubs more worthy than one with 50 but filled with fanatiq, floe, killer kai, viscant, and the people who play against them every week? 

        • http://twitter.com/RetroGabe Gabe Fowlkes

          The NYC and Norcal weeklies should probably get evo points too. Every local doesn’t have justin wong, combofiend, clockwork, chris g, marlin pie, etc.  That’s the point.  Number of people has nothing to do with it.  Is a tournament with 80 scrubs more worthy than one with 50 but filled with fanatiq, floe, killer kai, viscant, and the people who play against them every week? 

        • http://twitter.com/RetroGabe Gabe Fowlkes

          The NYC and Norcal weeklies should probably get evo points too. Every local doesn’t have justin wong, combofiend, clockwork, chris g, marlin pie, etc.  That’s the point.  Number of people has nothing to do with it.  Is a tournament with 80 scrubs more worthy than one with 50 but filled with fanatiq, floe, killer kai, viscant, and the people who play against them every week? 

        • http://twitter.com/RetroGabe Gabe Fowlkes

          The NYC and Norcal weeklies should probably get evo points too. Every local doesn’t have justin wong, combofiend, clockwork, chris g, marlin pie, etc.  That’s the point.  Number of people has nothing to do with it.  Is a tournament with 80 scrubs more worthy than one with 50 but filled with fanatiq, floe, killer kai, viscant, and the people who play against them every week? 

        • http://twitter.com/RetroGabe Gabe Fowlkes

          The NYC and Norcal weeklies should probably get evo points too. Every local doesn’t have justin wong, combofiend, clockwork, chris g, marlin pie, etc.  That’s the point.  Number of people has nothing to do with it.  Is a tournament with 80 scrubs more worthy than one with 50 but filled with fanatiq, floe, killer kai, viscant, and the people who play against them every week? 

        • Anonymous

          Dunno if you’ve ever been to WNF, but there’s a whole lot more than 40 there.

        • Anonymous

          Dunno if you’ve ever been to WNF, but there’s a whole lot more than 40 there.

        • Anonymous

          Dunno if you’ve ever been to WNF, but there’s a whole lot more than 40 there.

  • http://twitter.com/oBLACKSTARo oBLACKSTARo

    Doesn’t this seem a little unfair?  The West coast gets 48 chances alone AT A LOCAL for some EVO points?  Getting a little carried away, huh?
    Glad to see Wednesday Night Fights back, because it feels a little empty without it.  :D  Moar clockw0rk akshun!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Cannon/701758565 Tom Cannon

    To clarify, points will be awarded to WNF season winners.  They are not up for grabs every week.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Cannon/701758565 Tom Cannon

    To clarify, points will be awarded to WNF season winners.  They are not up for grabs every week.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Cannon/701758565 Tom Cannon

    To clarify, points will be awarded to WNF season winners.  They are not up for grabs every week.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Cannon/701758565 Tom Cannon

    To clarify, points will be awarded to WNF season winners.  They are not up for grabs every week.

    • Anonymous

      When are we getting EVO points for Bloody Roar ?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Cannon/701758565 Tom Cannon

        Over my dead body.

        • http://www.facebook.com/TheRedrapper Zaid Tabani

          ;_;

        • http://www.facebook.com/TheRedrapper Zaid Tabani

          ;_;

        • http://www.facebook.com/TheRedrapper Zaid Tabani

          ;_;

    • Anonymous

      When are we getting EVO points for Bloody Roar ?

    • Anonymous

      When are we getting EVO points for Bloody Roar ?

    • Anonymous

      When are we getting EVO points for Bloody Roar ?

    • Anonymous

      When are we getting EVO points for Bloody Roar ?

    • Anonymous

      Should update the article w/ that info … the quote makes it sound like points are awarded weekly.

    • Anonymous

      Should update the article w/ that info … the quote makes it sound like points are awarded weekly.

      • J. Pedro Almeida

        “EVO Seed points will be awarded to overall season champions of seasons 1-3!”

        You would have read this if you “check(ed) out the full release at the Level|Up site.”

      • J. Pedro Almeida

        “EVO Seed points will be awarded to overall season champions of seasons 1-3!”

        You would have read this if you “check(ed) out the full release at the Level|Up site.”

      • J. Pedro Almeida

        “EVO Seed points will be awarded to overall season champions of seasons 1-3!”

        You would have read this if you “check(ed) out the full release at the Level|Up site.”

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=12804098 Andrew Hoss

      Can we get a little bit more clarification? Like how many EVO points will be awarded to each season winner?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=12804098 Andrew Hoss

      Can we get a little bit more clarification? Like how many EVO points will be awarded to each season winner?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=12804098 Andrew Hoss

      Can we get a little bit more clarification? Like how many EVO points will be awarded to each season winner?

    • Anonymous

      the answer is to create a new major between bay area and socal so its 3 hours for both, and other players can fly in for equal chance at seeding points and everyone is happy. the wnf local dibs for points does make those points exclusive to socal players… that is most definitely favoritism. 

      • Anonymous

        Alright, cool. I’d agree with that. Now lets get someone with the time, money, and ability to host a large scale tournament that’s big enough and respected enough to be called a Major in one of those cities (I’d prefer San Jose, personally, but that’s just me). When you have an answer for someone who would, let alone someone who could, host a large scale major eligible for EVO seeding points in one of these cities, lemme know. Otherwise, I suggest you do some research on the difficulties of running any tournament, let alone a major.

        I agree with the people that say a major in place of WNF would be more “Fair”, but it’s definitely not more Realistic. Tournaments don’t just pop up out of the ground for the pleasure of the players to go to.

        • Anonymous

          The same people who run the wnf can run the new major if there was one. Same location if they want and there is money to be made their. And weekends are usually available. Your trying to make excuses since I’ve made a fair point.
          Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!

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          • Anonymous

            Ignoring the lolz of that last comment, if you think that the people of WNF can run the major, why don’t you ask them? I mean, Tom Cannon posted in this topic and so did James Chen. So hell, I’ll even put the question out there for you, Why can’t the powers that be at WNF run a major somewhere in California instead of awarding the points to the season winners of WNF?

            I could always tell you how much more work and effort and money it’d be, but a legitimate answer from someone like James Chen (or someone that runs WNF or the sort) would obviously placate more people than an answer from me.

          • Anonymous

            Well said.

            Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!

            —– Reply message —–

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Cannon/701758565 Tom Cannon

    To clarify, points will be awarded to WNF season winners.  They are not up for grabs every week.

  • http://www.twitter.com/slash5150 Slash5150

    Awesome.  Congrats to Level|Up and Shoryuken for bringing something like this to the community!

  • http://www.twitter.com/slash5150 Slash5150

    Awesome.  Congrats to Level|Up and Shoryuken for bringing something like this to the community!

  • http://www.twitter.com/slash5150 Slash5150

    Awesome.  Congrats to Level|Up and Shoryuken for bringing something like this to the community!

  • Anonymous

    Gah sucks we have to constantly fight in the MidWest to get anything noticed. Are there plans of doing any kind of regional seeding or is the plan now just to hand over spots to west coast locals? Like I’m realllllly trying not to be the normal FGCryGuy, but doesn’t this favor West Coast players? Majors are peppered throughout the country and are over a weekend, but a season of WNF means you live in Cali.

    • http://twitter.com/_ETR Christian Cain

      I don’t think that everyone here in SoCal are being targeted and everyone else is being neglected, it’s that WNF has become so large, well known, and a great place for competition that it’s being recognized by SRK with this sponsorship of sorts.

      I’m sure if your MidWest local events become as big as WNF there would be no reason for anyone to ignore the kinds of things that are going on in your community. Maybe working to get local sponsors, running bigger streams and more events might garnish the popularity for this kind of support.

      Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think that the midwest (Or even places like Big 2) doesn’t deserve this, I’m not as familiar with your scene as I am ours here. I’m just saying that it’s not “X place doesn’t deserve this, lets give it to Y.” it’s, “Wow, Y has really stepped it up. Lets see if X, Z, A, B, C, etc do the same thing.”

      • Anonymous

        I understand that WNF is a bastion of great players and has good numbers, don’t get me wrong. I haven’t the time at the moment to flesh this out as much as i like (I will later tonight), but any reward given to a specific AREA because they are the most popular is just plain unfair. Are the best players only in Cali? And what does this say to aspiring players and solid players elsewhere?

        My community may not specifically deserve points for Evo, but if they want to give regional points out they should for all major regions.

        • http://twitter.com/_ETR Christian Cain

          “Regional points.” It’s not regional, just one place in the country that got it. If it was on the East Coast, people would complain here. Mid-West? Everyone else would complain.

          And don’t act like I’m biased, not like I’ll be winning any majors (and subsequently points) anytime soon bro.

        • http://twitter.com/_ETR Christian Cain

          “Regional points.” It’s not regional, just one place in the country that got it. If it was on the East Coast, people would complain here. Mid-West? Everyone else would complain.

          And don’t act like I’m biased, not like I’ll be winning any majors (and subsequently points) anytime soon bro.

        • http://twitter.com/_ETR Christian Cain

          “Regional points.” It’s not regional, just one place in the country that got it. If it was on the East Coast, people would complain here. Mid-West? Everyone else would complain.

          And don’t act like I’m biased, not like I’ll be winning any majors (and subsequently points) anytime soon bro.

        • http://twitter.com/BUSB00M Steve B

          Hell, I don’t live in Chicago but I know on Thursdays, they pull in #’s, have a great stream and people participate. Windy City Showdown. I live in Nebraska for god damn sake and we pull anywhere from 25-45 per local. I hate that Cali gets all the love. 

        • http://twitter.com/BUSB00M Steve B

          Hell, I don’t live in Chicago but I know on Thursdays, they pull in #’s, have a great stream and people participate. Windy City Showdown. I live in Nebraska for god damn sake and we pull anywhere from 25-45 per local. I hate that Cali gets all the love. 

      • Anonymous

        how about there is a wnf major, call it wnfsalt cup a one weekend event that gives fair dibbs to seeding points.

    • http://twitter.com/_ETR Christian Cain

      I don’t think that everyone here in SoCal are being targeted and everyone else is being neglected, it’s that WNF has become so large, well known, and a great place for competition that it’s being recognized by SRK with this sponsorship of sorts.

      I’m sure if your MidWest local events become as big as WNF there would be no reason for anyone to ignore the kinds of things that are going on in your community. Maybe working to get local sponsors, running bigger streams and more events might garnish the popularity for this kind of support.

      Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think that the midwest (Or even places like Big 2) doesn’t deserve this, I’m not as familiar with your scene as I am ours here. I’m just saying that it’s not “X place doesn’t deserve this, lets give it to Y.” it’s, “Wow, Y has really stepped it up. Lets see if X, Z, A, B, C, etc do the same thing.”

    • http://twitter.com/_ETR Christian Cain

      I don’t think that everyone here in SoCal are being targeted and everyone else is being neglected, it’s that WNF has become so large, well known, and a great place for competition that it’s being recognized by SRK with this sponsorship of sorts.

      I’m sure if your MidWest local events become as big as WNF there would be no reason for anyone to ignore the kinds of things that are going on in your community. Maybe working to get local sponsors, running bigger streams and more events might garnish the popularity for this kind of support.

      Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think that the midwest (Or even places like Big 2) doesn’t deserve this, I’m not as familiar with your scene as I am ours here. I’m just saying that it’s not “X place doesn’t deserve this, lets give it to Y.” it’s, “Wow, Y has really stepped it up. Lets see if X, Z, A, B, C, etc do the same thing.”

  • Anonymous

    Gah sucks we have to constantly fight in the MidWest to get anything noticed. Are there plans of doing any kind of regional seeding or is the plan now just to hand over spots to west coast locals? Like I’m realllllly trying not to be the normal FGCryGuy, but doesn’t this favor West Coast players? Majors are peppered throughout the country and are over a weekend, but a season of WNF means you live in Cali.

  • Anonymous

    Gah sucks we have to constantly fight in the MidWest to get anything noticed. Are there plans of doing any kind of regional seeding or is the plan now just to hand over spots to west coast locals? Like I’m realllllly trying not to be the normal FGCryGuy, but doesn’t this favor West Coast players? Majors are peppered throughout the country and are over a weekend, but a season of WNF means you live in Cali.

  • Anonymous

    Gah sucks we have to constantly fight in the MidWest to get anything noticed. Are there plans of doing any kind of regional seeding or is the plan now just to hand over spots to west coast locals? Like I’m realllllly trying not to be the normal FGCryGuy, but doesn’t this favor West Coast players? Majors are peppered throughout the country and are over a weekend, but a season of WNF means you live in Cali.

  • Anonymous

    Gah sucks we have to constantly fight in the MidWest to get anything noticed. Are there plans of doing any kind of regional seeding or is the plan now just to hand over spots to west coast locals? Like I’m realllllly trying not to be the normal FGCryGuy, but doesn’t this favor West Coast players? Majors are peppered throughout the country and are over a weekend, but a season of WNF means you live in Cali.

  • Anonymous

    Not gonna bother watching unless they get some KOFXIII in there.

    • http://twitter.com/lovethievery Irrelevant.

      WNF def. needs to put some KOFXIII in there. Now that it’s an EVO game, no reason not to.

    • http://twitter.com/lovethievery Irrelevant.

      WNF def. needs to put some KOFXIII in there. Now that it’s an EVO game, no reason not to.

    • http://twitter.com/lovethievery Irrelevant.

      WNF def. needs to put some KOFXIII in there. Now that it’s an EVO game, no reason not to.

    • http://twitter.com/fightngamezonln thec0re3

      Yep I feel the same KOFXIII needs some more stream time. Its pretty much getting the cold treatment every where.

    • http://twitter.com/fightngamezonln thec0re3

      Yep I feel the same KOFXIII needs some more stream time. Its pretty much getting the cold treatment every where.

  • Anonymous

    well… won’t the “season winners” most likely be the local players who can attend this event every week? 

    Big Two and The Break both bust their ass and run their tournaments every single week.  WNF takes like 32 months off then gets awarded Evo points.  this is COAST-ISM

    • fermented

      “Coast-ism”?  What about all of the players on the west coast that attend and organize local weekly tournaments/ranbats outside of the LA area, like SD, NorCal, Pacific Northwest, etc.?

      • Anonymous

        ok, then it’s SoCal-judice?

        • fermented

          Wouldn’t “SoCal-judice” mean that they are against SoCal without knowing anything about the place?

          SD is considered SoCal but it’s a 2 hour drive away (if there’s no LA traffic) to Super Arcade.

          If there is any favoritism at all here, it’s not aimed towards any specific US region, it’s only towards LevelUp, Super Arcade, Ultrachen, etc.

          Big Two would probably have to adapt some sort of ranbat schedule if they want EVO sponsorship with seeding points.  The viewer numbers for Spooky’s stream and the number of high level players that show up are there for them to deserve it.

          • Anonymous

            now i can’t even tell if you’re for or against the WNF evo points… did you just want to nitpick or something?

          • Anonymous

            now i can’t even tell if you’re for or against the WNF evo points… did you just want to nitpick or something?

          • Anonymous

            now i can’t even tell if you’re for or against the WNF evo points… did you just want to nitpick or something?

          • Anonymous

            now i can’t even tell if you’re for or against the WNF evo points… did you just want to nitpick or something?

          • Anonymous

            now i can’t even tell if you’re for or against the WNF evo points… did you just want to nitpick or something?

          • Anonymous

            now i can’t even tell if you’re for or against the WNF evo points… did you just want to nitpick or something?

          • fermented

            I’m fine with WNF EVO points.  I just didn’t agree with the assertion that there was any actual favoritism towards WC/SoCal.  And I was being facetious with my remark about “socal-judice”.

          • fermented

            I’m fine with WNF EVO points.  I just didn’t agree with the assertion that there was any actual favoritism towards WC/SoCal.  And I was being facetious with my remark about “socal-judice”.

          • fermented

            I’m fine with WNF EVO points.  I just didn’t agree with the assertion that there was any actual favoritism towards WC/SoCal.  And I was being facetious with my remark about “socal-judice”.

        • fermented

          Wouldn’t “SoCal-judice” mean that they are against SoCal without knowing anything about the place?

          SD is considered SoCal but it’s a 2 hour drive away (if there’s no LA traffic) to Super Arcade.

          If there is any favoritism at all here, it’s not aimed towards any specific US region, it’s only towards LevelUp, Super Arcade, Ultrachen, etc.

          Big Two would probably have to adapt some sort of ranbat schedule if they want EVO sponsorship with seeding points.  The viewer numbers for Spooky’s stream and the number of high level players that show up are there for them to deserve it.

        • fermented

          Wouldn’t “SoCal-judice” mean that they are against SoCal without knowing anything about the place?

          SD is considered SoCal but it’s a 2 hour drive away (if there’s no LA traffic) to Super Arcade.

          If there is any favoritism at all here, it’s not aimed towards any specific US region, it’s only towards LevelUp, Super Arcade, Ultrachen, etc.

          Big Two would probably have to adapt some sort of ranbat schedule if they want EVO sponsorship with seeding points.  The viewer numbers for Spooky’s stream and the number of high level players that show up are there for them to deserve it.

        • fermented

          Wouldn’t “SoCal-judice” mean that they are against SoCal without knowing anything about the place?

          SD is considered SoCal but it’s a 2 hour drive away (if there’s no LA traffic) to Super Arcade.

          If there is any favoritism at all here, it’s not aimed towards any specific US region, it’s only towards LevelUp, Super Arcade, Ultrachen, etc.

          Big Two would probably have to adapt some sort of ranbat schedule if they want EVO sponsorship with seeding points.  The viewer numbers for Spooky’s stream and the number of high level players that show up are there for them to deserve it.

      • Anonymous

        ok, then it’s SoCal-judice?

    • fermented

      “Coast-ism”?  What about all of the players on the west coast that attend and organize local weekly tournaments/ranbats outside of the LA area, like SD, NorCal, Pacific Northwest, etc.?

    • fermented

      “Coast-ism”?  What about all of the players on the west coast that attend and organize local weekly tournaments/ranbats outside of the LA area, like SD, NorCal, Pacific Northwest, etc.?

    • vchao90

      no the season winners will be the best players who win consistently. online tony won more than half of all the tournaments last time. if you dont call that skill I dont know what is. cause regardless if you can make it every week or not, placing top 3 consistently in a field as big as wnf is a great measure of ability.

    • vchao90

      no the season winners will be the best players who win consistently. online tony won more than half of all the tournaments last time. if you dont call that skill I dont know what is. cause regardless if you can make it every week or not, placing top 3 consistently in a field as big as wnf is a great measure of ability.

  • Tara Carter

    KOF isn’t really that popular in cali too?

  • Tara Carter

    KOF isn’t really that popular in cali too?

  • Tara Carter

    KOF isn’t really that popular in cali too?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000338134856 Andy Le

    This is honestly really stupid

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000338134856 Andy Le

    This is honestly really stupid

  • http://twitter.com/offcast Offcast

    NOT UNEMP.Offcast ANYMORE YEAH!!!!

  • http://twitter.com/offcast Offcast

    NOT UNEMP.Offcast ANYMORE YEAH!!!!

    • http://twitter.com/_ETR Christian Cain

       Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

    • http://twitter.com/_ETR Christian Cain

       Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

    • http://twitter.com/_ETR Christian Cain

       Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

  • http://twitter.com/offcast Offcast

    NOT UNEMP.Offcast ANYMORE YEAH!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Even if given out only to season winners, even if WNF “is so big and legit” or w/e, at the end of the day this Evo points deal still boils down to rewarding players simply for living in California as opposed to somewhere else.  Not cool.

  • Anonymous

    The west coast is lacking in evo points still.

  • Anonymous

    The west coast is lacking in evo points still.

  • Anonymous

    The west coast is lacking in evo points still.

  • Anonymous

    The west coast is lacking in evo points still.

  • Anonymous

    The west coast is lacking in evo points still.

  • Anonymous

    BALL SO HARD MF’s WANNA FINE ME.

  • Anonymous

    BALL SO HARD MF’s WANNA FINE ME.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t even live in America so I’m unbiased. This is ridiculously unfair, there can be no defending it. If I was an american fighting game player who lived somewhere other than Cali, I’d be hella offended right now. 

    In fact, I’m not going to watch WNF until the powers that be admit that this is unjust, and do something about it.

    Before anyone says anything (I know how caustic us random FGC members can be, especially on this site) I know very well absolutely no one is going to care that one less person is watching the stream, and that it’s a futile meaningless protest that will accomplish nothing, and that I’m stupid etc. Get knotted.

  • Anonymous

    can we please not have WNF at LA this time? how about SD? any SD ppl out there?!?!

  • Anonymous

    It’s funny how whenever something positive happens, the FGC is so quick to shit all over it. To everyone complaining, lets take a step back and ask ourselves why WNF is getting EVO points for the Season Finalists (Meaning that the people with the most WNF points at the end of the WNF season are the only ones awarded the EVO points, not the winner of each individual WNF gathering).

    When the tournament season was announced here (http://shoryuken.com/2012/01/03/introducing-the-evo-2012-game-linup-and-tournament-season/), I took a look at the locations of where the various tournaments would be that would have EVO seeding opportunities and sighed. Out of the 17 locations listed, only two of them took place in California, an area that is geographically larger than most of the North East costal states. However, within just the confines of Maine to Pennsylvania, you have three different majors to compete for those EVO points (Apex, Winter Brawl, and East Coast Throwdown).

    In my opinion, this feels a little unfair to those of us living in California, as our only two opportunities listed are Norcal Regionals and the Team Mad Catz Championships in San Diego. Thankfully, us in the large state of California are getting another in the newly announced WNF season.

    Now, you might say that that doesn’t include the entire West Coast, but if I were to do so, that’d be just one more tournament in the 18 total mentioned so far (Northwest Majors in Seattle, WA.) This rounds out the entire West Coast EVO season to four. However, if I were to move just a couple states over from Pennsylvania, I would be able to note that there’s Powerup 2012 in Cincinatti Ohio and Season’s Beatings: Summer Slam in Columbus Ohio, two more East Coast majors in the same state. This easily brings the EC total to 5, without even mentioning the newly added Civil War in Virginia, Final Round in Atlanta GE, CEO 2012 in Orlando FL, Midwest Championships 2012 in Nashville TN, and the Ultimate Fighting Game Tournament 8 in Chicago IL.

    That’s a grand total of 10 tournaments, all of note because they are easily halfway across the country from California, on the east side of Missouri. So to those on the east coast complaining about fairness and favoritism on WNF/EVO/SRK’s behalf, please take a look at what you have before taking the time to take the piss out of the slim pickings we get out here on the West Coast. It’s far easier to travel from NY to Ohio than it is to travel from CA to anywhere on the East.

    • Anonymous

      There is a difference between a major and a tournament series. In the case of majors it is 1 weekend where people come from all corners of the nation. To participate and be a finalist in WNF you essentially have to live in California (socal). I hope that same privilege is somehow shared with the rest of the country.

    • Anonymous

      There is a difference between a major and a tournament series. In the case of majors it is 1 weekend where people come from all corners of the nation. To participate and be a finalist in WNF you essentially have to live in California (socal). I hope that same privilege is somehow shared with the rest of the country.

      • Anonymous

        Privilege?  Maybe it’s because I’ve been going to WNF week after week, but you do have to realize how difficult it actually is to go week after week after week and play consistently to finish well every time.  One bad week or one missed week could easily drop you instantly out of the running.  And I’m not trying to sound like a dick here, but the amount of things going on in SoCal non-Fighting Game-wise is ridiculous, so missing weeks is very easy to do thanks to events, obligations, and other such things.  I would dare say that getting points from a WNF season is much much much more difficult than getting Evo points at a Major.

        There are some weekends with 2 Road to EVO events at the same time.  And I know many top players simply can’t afford to or just don’t have the time to make it out to all of the Road to Evo events in the coming year.  Thus, many majors will not be as brutal as people suspect.  The chances of you garnering EVO Points from any of these other tournaments, if you’re good, is high.

        As others have mentioned, the distinct lack of qualifiers here in the West Coast is scary.  And it’s also hard for many people living in the East Coast to understand (not their fault, there are many geographical things about EC that I mess up all the time thanks to never having lived there), NorCal to SoCal is an over 6 hour drive, equatable to the drive from New York to Pittsburgh.  They aren’t even really that close to each other.  So honestly, if you live in SoCal, you really only have ONE “local” event total.

        - James

        • http://www.facebook.com/TheRedrapper Zaid Tabani

          If only more people would read and listen to your logic James. If only…

        • http://www.facebook.com/TheRedrapper Zaid Tabani

          If only more people would read and listen to your logic James. If only…

        • hyerty

          Well to be fair, you do sound like a dick and just as biased as when you are commentating. It makes it sound like any other place other than a SoCal local is easy to win and the future of FGC resides in West Coast alone. 

          • Anonymous

            Well, that’s not what I’m trying to say at all.  My point is that there’s nothing inherently “advantaged” or great about earning points via WNF.  I’m saying that if places were swapped, and we had two or three majors here in SoCal on the Road to Evo, and some other location got EVO Points for an 8 week season for their local tournament, I would consider us the lucky ones.  If you’re good enough to win an 8 week season, you’re probably good enough to win a major as well, and doing that takes up one weekend.

            That’s why I don’t get why people consider this a privilege.

          • hyerty

            WNF is giving away close to 300 points to those who win the locals in SoCal. You definitely do not see a problem with that? Majors are spread throughout the country and people do travel to them. Not just confined to a specific area. No one is going to travel to WNF to earn points.

          • hyerty

            WNF is giving away close to 300 points to those who win the locals in SoCal. You definitely do not see a problem with that? Majors are spread throughout the country and people do travel to them. Not just confined to a specific area. No one is going to travel to WNF to earn points.

          • Anonymous

            Yeah, to be honest, I can see where the frustration lies.  I’m not trying to justify it, but as Pironeko pointed out below, a tourney like Apex was won mostly by locals.  Which was the point of me mentioning that the top players who travel won’t be able to hit all the tourneys on the Road to Evo, so it’s very likely that if you’re good, you’ll earn your points one way or the other.

            Also, keep in mind that 240 of the 300 points will go only to 6 people (and 270 of the 300 points go to 9).  If my guess is correct, it’ll probably turn out to be more like 5 or 6 people total (same people will likely place highly each season).  If we had three Road to Evo majors here, my guess would be that two of them would be relegated as “smaller” (just happens naturally), so people traveling to them wouldn’t be as heavy (like with Apex this past month).  So I’m guessing that if we had three majors instead, we’d most likely have the same 5 or 6 people getting the majority of those 270 points.

            However, it’s probably very likely that you’re actually not concerned with the 270 points.  You’re more concerned with the 15 points that will be spread across 15 SoCal players, right?  That I can understand being the major complaint, because it’s mostly those 15 points that could have gone to other people from a major that will end up going specifically to SoCal memebers.  WNF, I’m gonna guess this season, will pull in nearly 60+ entrants every week for both games… but I doubt knowing that would alleviate any complaints on your part, would it?

            Frankly, I would be thrilled if more points were awarded to smaller weeklies as well.  But it’d have to be weighted, no?  Would that be good enough?  Or would that still seem unfair?  I guess I’m trying to figure out where the line between being fair and unfair is drawn.

            - James

          • http://twitter.com/Zero_The_Shadow Zero Hikari

            James man if you can’t see the problem with a weekly opportunity to earn EVO points compared to someone who has to plan an entire weekend around traveling out of their home town to another state to earn them then you are indeed biased. Again why doesn’t the Break get points? There is just as much Marvel talent weekly at The Break or The Next Level as there is at WNF yet just cause it’s SoCal these players get to play each other for EVO points but the East Coast players don’t?

          • http://twitter.com/Zero_The_Shadow Zero Hikari

            James man if you can’t see the problem with a weekly opportunity to earn EVO points compared to someone who has to plan an entire weekend around traveling out of their home town to another state to earn them then you are indeed biased. Again why doesn’t the Break get points? There is just as much Marvel talent weekly at The Break or The Next Level as there is at WNF yet just cause it’s SoCal these players get to play each other for EVO points but the East Coast players don’t?

          • Anonymous

            It’s simple James. The East Coast does have easier access to more majors, yes. But our majors (and therefore, our major’s Evo seeding points) are not inaccessible to anyone from any area. It’s more convenient to EC players to attend, but all anyone from anywhere else has to do is give up one weekend to come out here, and they get access to the points the same as anyone else. Not to mention the money besides. JWong has done it. Wolfkrone has done it, etc.

            To gain access to the points given out in WNF, one has to be able to ATTEND WNF regularly in an 8-week season. This completely prohibits access to those points to anyone who can’t reasonably be expected to travel out to LA for a local ranbat, every week for 2 months. Like you said, winning a major only takes a weekend.

            Our events may be hard for WC players to attend, but WNF is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone that’s not living or moving within reasonable driving distance of LA. SoCal is getting exclusive points for a ranbat. You don’t see an advantage there?

            Besides, as hard as it is to get to our majors from the WC, it’s equally hard for EC players to get out to EVO itself, which is the tournament that matters the most. 

          • Anonymous

            It’s simple James. The East Coast does have easier access to more majors, yes. But our majors (and therefore, our major’s Evo seeding points) are not inaccessible to anyone from any area. It’s more convenient to EC players to attend, but all anyone from anywhere else has to do is give up one weekend to come out here, and they get access to the points the same as anyone else. Not to mention the money besides. JWong has done it. Wolfkrone has done it, etc.

            To gain access to the points given out in WNF, one has to be able to ATTEND WNF regularly in an 8-week season. This completely prohibits access to those points to anyone who can’t reasonably be expected to travel out to LA for a local ranbat, every week for 2 months. Like you said, winning a major only takes a weekend.

            Our events may be hard for WC players to attend, but WNF is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone that’s not living or moving within reasonable driving distance of LA. SoCal is getting exclusive points for a ranbat. You don’t see an advantage there?

            Besides, as hard as it is to get to our majors from the WC, it’s equally hard for EC players to get out to EVO itself, which is the tournament that matters the most. 

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=12804098 Andrew Hoss

            James, where are you getting these numbers? 240 out of 300 go to 6? 270 out of 300 go to 9? Who goes to what in the where now?

          • Anonymous

            Zero Hikari: I just don’t see it as biased because, either way it happened, the claims for West Coast bias would happen.  If the Road to Evo was announced and the majority of the majors were on West Coast and only one in Jersey and one in Philly (and one in Florida but none in Ohio or Chicago), there would be pitchforks and hangings claiming of West Coast bias.  Then, if a weekly on the East Coast were given EVO points to make up for the lack of majors, there would be much celebration for the fairness of being able to access more EVO points.  I doubt there would be as many people saying, “Well, EC should just throw more majors!”

            Plus, if that happened, I would imagine every one here in SoCal would be HAPPY for the East Coast.  I know I would be thrilled if they had few majors and got points for a weekly even if our local weekly didn’t get any points.  I’m not biased towards West Coast or SoCal, I’m biased towards the FGC being happy for each other.

            OmegaNITRO: I do understand the point that these points are impossible for others outside of SoCal to win.  Like I said, I understand hyerty’s frustration with the whole thing.  I wish it were just as simple as “Well, throw another major!” to address the disparity.  It would be awesome if throwing Majors was that simple.  So, and this is a serious legitimate question, if points weren’t awarded to something like WNF, what would be the best way to address the disparity?  Again, if the opposite had happened, and EC had only 1 or 2 Road to Evo events, I’m not wrong in saying that all fire and brimstone would have been cast upon the EVO staff.  With that in mind, imagining that amount of frustration of having so few Road to EVO events, what would be your recommended way of addressing it that’s NOT “just throw another major”?

            Andrew: 50 points for 1st place, 30 for 2nd, 10 for 3rd, and 1 point for 4th through 8th.  That’s 95 points for a season.  Three seasons is 285 points.  So 90 of those points will be awarded to 3 people each season, meaning 270 of 285 points will be going to 9 people.  Considering that Combofiend and Justin and Floe and Fanatiq could very likely win top 3 multiple seasons, I doubt 9 different people will get those 270 points.

            - James

          • Anonymous

            Zero Hikari: I just don’t see it as biased because, either way it happened, the claims for West Coast bias would happen.  If the Road to Evo was announced and the majority of the majors were on West Coast and only one in Jersey and one in Philly (and one in Florida but none in Ohio or Chicago), there would be pitchforks and hangings claiming of West Coast bias.  Then, if a weekly on the East Coast were given EVO points to make up for the lack of majors, there would be much celebration for the fairness of being able to access more EVO points.  I doubt there would be as many people saying, “Well, EC should just throw more majors!”

            Plus, if that happened, I would imagine every one here in SoCal would be HAPPY for the East Coast.  I know I would be thrilled if they had few majors and got points for a weekly even if our local weekly didn’t get any points.  I’m not biased towards West Coast or SoCal, I’m biased towards the FGC being happy for each other.

            OmegaNITRO: I do understand the point that these points are impossible for others outside of SoCal to win.  Like I said, I understand hyerty’s frustration with the whole thing.  I wish it were just as simple as “Well, throw another major!” to address the disparity.  It would be awesome if throwing Majors was that simple.  So, and this is a serious legitimate question, if points weren’t awarded to something like WNF, what would be the best way to address the disparity?  Again, if the opposite had happened, and EC had only 1 or 2 Road to Evo events, I’m not wrong in saying that all fire and brimstone would have been cast upon the EVO staff.  With that in mind, imagining that amount of frustration of having so few Road to EVO events, what would be your recommended way of addressing it that’s NOT “just throw another major”?

            Andrew: 50 points for 1st place, 30 for 2nd, 10 for 3rd, and 1 point for 4th through 8th.  That’s 95 points for a season.  Three seasons is 285 points.  So 90 of those points will be awarded to 3 people each season, meaning 270 of 285 points will be going to 9 people.  Considering that Combofiend and Justin and Floe and Fanatiq could very likely win top 3 multiple seasons, I doubt 9 different people will get those 270 points.

            - James

          • Anonymous

            Zero Hikari: I just don’t see it as biased because, either way it happened, the claims for West Coast bias would happen.  If the Road to Evo was announced and the majority of the majors were on West Coast and only one in Jersey and one in Philly (and one in Florida but none in Ohio or Chicago), there would be pitchforks and hangings claiming of West Coast bias.  Then, if a weekly on the East Coast were given EVO points to make up for the lack of majors, there would be much celebration for the fairness of being able to access more EVO points.  I doubt there would be as many people saying, “Well, EC should just throw more majors!”

            Plus, if that happened, I would imagine every one here in SoCal would be HAPPY for the East Coast.  I know I would be thrilled if they had few majors and got points for a weekly even if our local weekly didn’t get any points.  I’m not biased towards West Coast or SoCal, I’m biased towards the FGC being happy for each other.

            OmegaNITRO: I do understand the point that these points are impossible for others outside of SoCal to win.  Like I said, I understand hyerty’s frustration with the whole thing.  I wish it were just as simple as “Well, throw another major!” to address the disparity.  It would be awesome if throwing Majors was that simple.  So, and this is a serious legitimate question, if points weren’t awarded to something like WNF, what would be the best way to address the disparity?  Again, if the opposite had happened, and EC had only 1 or 2 Road to Evo events, I’m not wrong in saying that all fire and brimstone would have been cast upon the EVO staff.  With that in mind, imagining that amount of frustration of having so few Road to EVO events, what would be your recommended way of addressing it that’s NOT “just throw another major”?

            Andrew: 50 points for 1st place, 30 for 2nd, 10 for 3rd, and 1 point for 4th through 8th.  That’s 95 points for a season.  Three seasons is 285 points.  So 90 of those points will be awarded to 3 people each season, meaning 270 of 285 points will be going to 9 people.  Considering that Combofiend and Justin and Floe and Fanatiq could very likely win top 3 multiple seasons, I doubt 9 different people will get those 270 points.

            - James

          • Anonymous

            Zero Hikari: I just don’t see it as biased because, either way it happened, the claims for West Coast bias would happen.  If the Road to Evo was announced and the majority of the majors were on West Coast and only one in Jersey and one in Philly (and one in Florida but none in Ohio or Chicago), there would be pitchforks and hangings claiming of West Coast bias.  Then, if a weekly on the East Coast were given EVO points to make up for the lack of majors, there would be much celebration for the fairness of being able to access more EVO points.  I doubt there would be as many people saying, “Well, EC should just throw more majors!”

            Plus, if that happened, I would imagine every one here in SoCal would be HAPPY for the East Coast.  I know I would be thrilled if they had few majors and got points for a weekly even if our local weekly didn’t get any points.  I’m not biased towards West Coast or SoCal, I’m biased towards the FGC being happy for each other.

            OmegaNITRO: I do understand the point that these points are impossible for others outside of SoCal to win.  Like I said, I understand hyerty’s frustration with the whole thing.  I wish it were just as simple as “Well, throw another major!” to address the disparity.  It would be awesome if throwing Majors was that simple.  So, and this is a serious legitimate question, if points weren’t awarded to something like WNF, what would be the best way to address the disparity?  Again, if the opposite had happened, and EC had only 1 or 2 Road to Evo events, I’m not wrong in saying that all fire and brimstone would have been cast upon the EVO staff.  With that in mind, imagining that amount of frustration of having so few Road to EVO events, what would be your recommended way of addressing it that’s NOT “just throw another major”?

            Andrew: 50 points for 1st place, 30 for 2nd, 10 for 3rd, and 1 point for 4th through 8th.  That’s 95 points for a season.  Three seasons is 285 points.  So 90 of those points will be awarded to 3 people each season, meaning 270 of 285 points will be going to 9 people.  Considering that Combofiend and Justin and Floe and Fanatiq could very likely win top 3 multiple seasons, I doubt 9 different people will get those 270 points.

            - James

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=623076026 Magnus Primpus

             ” I doubt there would be as many people saying, “Well, EC should just throw more majors!”

            Plus, if that happened, I would imagine every one here in SoCal would be HAPPY for the East Coast. ”

            Seriously? Why do you doubt there would be less complaints. Are you trying to say everyone in SoCal are nice people *cough* *cough* East coast….eh not so much…

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=12804098 Andrew Hoss

            Ok, are you sure that’s how the points are allotted? SRK said it was 50 for 1st, 25 for 2nd, 10 for 3rd, and 1 pt for the rest of top 16 for a major. I’m just trying to get the facts straight, because I have fun following the tournament season and knowing where players are at.

          • Anonymous

            Magnus Primpus: West Coast is where Fighting Games as a competition first grew its roots.  And for a long time, WC dominated the country.  Eventually, EC took a stand and overcame WC in various events, and now the two halves of the countries are about the same in skill level.

            However, the “underdog” mentality of the EC has never left.  They always feel like there is a bias towards WC and that WC has preferential treatment, despite the opposite being true in this case with Road to EVO.

            Ana analogy would be Clippers fans.  They HATE the Lakers.  HATE HATE HATE them.  Whenever Lakers do well, Clippers fans talk so much trash.  However, this year, when the Clippers are good and Blake Griffin is awesome and the Clippers are better than the Lakers… most Lakers fans I know are happy for the Clippers.  They are glad they have another hometown team to root for.  But Clippers fans still hate the Lakers.

            It’s not about EC’s personality, it’s about the role of the underdog and it’s lasting trends even after the underdog role doesn’t apply anymore.

            Andrew Hoss: Peep first post of this - http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/feb-1-2012-level-up-presents-weds-night-fights-road-to-evo-2012-walnut-ca.152562/

          • Anonymous

            Magnus Primpus: West Coast is where Fighting Games as a competition first grew its roots.  And for a long time, WC dominated the country.  Eventually, EC took a stand and overcame WC in various events, and now the two halves of the countries are about the same in skill level.

            However, the “underdog” mentality of the EC has never left.  They always feel like there is a bias towards WC and that WC has preferential treatment, despite the opposite being true in this case with Road to EVO.

            Ana analogy would be Clippers fans.  They HATE the Lakers.  HATE HATE HATE them.  Whenever Lakers do well, Clippers fans talk so much trash.  However, this year, when the Clippers are good and Blake Griffin is awesome and the Clippers are better than the Lakers… most Lakers fans I know are happy for the Clippers.  They are glad they have another hometown team to root for.  But Clippers fans still hate the Lakers.

            It’s not about EC’s personality, it’s about the role of the underdog and it’s lasting trends even after the underdog role doesn’t apply anymore.

            Andrew Hoss: Peep first post of this - http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/feb-1-2012-level-up-presents-weds-night-fights-road-to-evo-2012-walnut-ca.152562/

        • hyerty

          Well to be fair, you do sound like a dick and just as biased as when you are commentating. It makes it sound like any other place other than a SoCal local is easy to win and the future of FGC resides in West Coast alone. 

        • hyerty

          Well to be fair, you do sound like a dick and just as biased as when you are commentating. It makes it sound like any other place other than a SoCal local is easy to win and the future of FGC resides in West Coast alone. 

        • Anonymous

          I’m not saying it’s easy. I’m not saying I don’t respect everyone that goes and plays. I love watching WNF and it has done well to improve my skills as well as others.

          The point I’m trying to highlight the most is that giving WNF finale winners Evo seeding points, is giving points to a specific region, rather than a single tournament winner/performer. Majors give a reasonable opportunity for those to travel to other parts of the nation (or close by, if fortunate) in order to compete. While the same top performers dominate these events, the chances are at least even up for everyone who attends from out of town.

          WNF, while it attracts out of towners, will only be frequented and (most likely) won by those of that specific community because it is (in essence) a local ranbat. The best talent in a community in the US and a great event? sure. But it isn’t something that can be reasonably attended by the rest of the country and therefor shows preferential treatment.

          If this isn’t the case and someone from Minnesota pops by each week and wins, then I guess it is all on the up and up. Otherwise, what is the good reason my local STLBarFightz season isn’t given the same opportunity. We only get 20+ per tournament, but we are growing and work just as hard to build our community. Do our winners get Evo points or do we have to meet some requirement to be treated like equals?

          Obviously, I understand there is 100 reasons we aren’t afforded the same opportunity, but what gives WNF that right we don’t get. Because Justin Wong comes to play? Because they are more popular? Do you deserve Evo seedings because your community is better than the rest of the country or do you earn them by winning majors?

          I’m not trying to pop off, but this is what it feels like on the fringe. I subscribe to level|up, I watch their streams, I give them money, I give them respect, but it feels like the rest of us just got told that our local communities were somehow inferior and that is just silly.

          As far as there being a lack of West Coast majors is another story all together. If this was just an announcement of a WNF Finale tournament/major at the end of the season that would be added to the Road To Evo series then it wouldn’t have been an issue.

          -James

          • Anonymous

            I’m sorry, and I mean no respect, but you just said WNF is more popular, bigger, has Justin Wong and PLENTY of comparable players (and I’ll help you out here by saying that it’s better advertised as well), and yet your local community being inferior is silly.

            I don’t really understand how you can give a pretty decent list of reasons why WNF is better than your local ranbats, yet refuse to admit that it’s better.

          • Anonymous

            I’m sorry, and I mean no respect, but you just said WNF is more popular, bigger, has Justin Wong and PLENTY of comparable players (and I’ll help you out here by saying that it’s better advertised as well), and yet your local community being inferior is silly.

            I don’t really understand how you can give a pretty decent list of reasons why WNF is better than your local ranbats, yet refuse to admit that it’s better.

          • Anonymous

            I’m not highlighting my community, I’m highlighting every community that ISN’T SoCal.

            Just because their players are ‘better’ (more skilled) doesn’t mean their community is.

            WNF is a SoCal ranbat series, not a major tournament.

          • Anonymous

            I think I’m starting to pinpoint the source of your displeasure. If I’m wrong, correct me, but it seems to me that you’re saying that SoCal is getting preferential treatment because in order to be in the running for these particular EVO points, you need to live in SoCal because that’s what’s required to compete regularly to be in the running for said points.

            So, in the interest of fairness, let me ask you why, when the East Coast has a grand total of 10 opportunities to compete for EVO points, are two of the East Coast EVO tournaments held on the same dates as two of the four West Coast ones?

            It’s impossible to expect anybody to travel from California (Team Mad Catz Championships, San Diego, CA April 13-15) to Ohio (PowerUp 2012, Cincinnati, Ohio April 13-15) and compete in both respective tournaments at the same time. Same goes for Washington (Northwest Majors, Seattle, WA May 26th) to Illinois (Ultimate Fighting Game Tournament 8, Chicago, IL May 25-27).

            This in effect guarantees that those of us attending the West Coast tournaments have absolutely no shot at the East Coast seeding points. I’m not going to point fingers and say it’s preferential treatment at all, but you don’t exactly see anyone  causing a fuss about it.

          • Anonymous

            I think I’m starting to pinpoint the source of your displeasure. If I’m wrong, correct me, but it seems to me that you’re saying that SoCal is getting preferential treatment because in order to be in the running for these particular EVO points, you need to live in SoCal because that’s what’s required to compete regularly to be in the running for said points.

            So, in the interest of fairness, let me ask you why, when the East Coast has a grand total of 10 opportunities to compete for EVO points, are two of the East Coast EVO tournaments held on the same dates as two of the four West Coast ones?

            It’s impossible to expect anybody to travel from California (Team Mad Catz Championships, San Diego, CA April 13-15) to Ohio (PowerUp 2012, Cincinnati, Ohio April 13-15) and compete in both respective tournaments at the same time. Same goes for Washington (Northwest Majors, Seattle, WA May 26th) to Illinois (Ultimate Fighting Game Tournament 8, Chicago, IL May 25-27).

            This in effect guarantees that those of us attending the West Coast tournaments have absolutely no shot at the East Coast seeding points. I’m not going to point fingers and say it’s preferential treatment at all, but you don’t exactly see anyone  causing a fuss about it.

          • Anonymous

            Here’s the thing. I totttallly get your point about the lack of West Coast tournaments. I do see why a fair argument could be made that the East Coast has more events and therefor have more access to Evo seeding points. Why this happened and the tournaments aren’t more spread out to favor all regions equally is an answer I don’t have. Maybe there were less that applied? I don’t know.

            But that is a separate discussion. 

            This may seem like splitting hairs to a lot of people, but by giving WNF points and not other, similar ranbats you are blessing a specific community/area instead of simply seeding a national tournament winner. Is it fair that the East coast has easier access to majors? No. But it is equally unfair to claim that one community’s ranbat is the only one deserving of Evo seeds.

          • Anonymous

            Here’s the thing. I totttallly get your point about the lack of West Coast tournaments. I do see why a fair argument could be made that the East Coast has more events and therefor have more access to Evo seeding points. Why this happened and the tournaments aren’t more spread out to favor all regions equally is an answer I don’t have. Maybe there were less that applied? I don’t know.

            But that is a separate discussion. 

            This may seem like splitting hairs to a lot of people, but by giving WNF points and not other, similar ranbats you are blessing a specific community/area instead of simply seeding a national tournament winner. Is it fair that the East coast has easier access to majors? No. But it is equally unfair to claim that one community’s ranbat is the only one deserving of Evo seeds.

      • http://twitter.com/PDP2600 Peter Pesic

        So your saying people Apex had people showing up from all over the country to play UMvC3/SF4AE2012/MK9?  Look at the results and you’ll find it was mostly East Coast players, and a big majority were from the Tri-state area.

        I really can’t understand all this outrage, I’m inclined to believe it’s just the SRK vocal minority doing what they do all day everyday.  It would be even more mind boggling if these negative opinions are coming from people who watch WNF on the regular and see the high amount, and quality of players there week to week.

        Living in Cali or not, WNF EVO points will probably be one of the hardest places to earn points.  You basically have to perform well 4 tourney’s in a row.  I’m willing to bet this announcement will also help to increase the general attendance, and up how frequently all the known killers attend during this time. 

        • Anonymous

          To be fair, nobody really expected APEX, which has a history as a Smash tournament, to draw nationally recognized names. This is compounded by the fact that the tournament was held a few weeks after it was announced that it was getting points.

        • Anonymous

          To be fair, nobody really expected APEX, which has a history as a Smash tournament, to draw nationally recognized names. This is compounded by the fact that the tournament was held a few weeks after it was announced that it was getting points.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Pesic/511693546 Peter Pesic

            You missed the point, APEX being a part of the Road to EVO is an example where only players from a specific region had the opportunity to participate.  AKA the reason why people are arguing the WNF Seasons awarding points is unfair.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Pesic/511693546 Peter Pesic

            You missed the point, APEX being a part of the Road to EVO is an example where only players from a specific region had the opportunity to participate.  AKA the reason why people are arguing the WNF Seasons awarding points is unfair.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Pesic/511693546 Peter Pesic

            You missed the point, APEX being a part of the Road to EVO is an example where only players from a specific region had the opportunity to participate.  AKA the reason why people are arguing the WNF Seasons awarding points is unfair.

        • Anonymous

          To be fair, nobody really expected APEX, which has a history as a Smash tournament, to draw nationally recognized names. This is compounded by the fact that the tournament was held a few weeks after it was announced that it was getting points.

      • Anonymous

        Personally when compared to the ease of access of a local tournament, I don’t consider needing to compete and place at as many of the WNF tournies as possible to maybe perhaps get a shot at some EVO points much of a privilege. I’d far prefer one of the multiple tournies that you’re getting out in the East Coast, but this is how things are so we have to take what we get. Don’t try to kid yourself by saying that placing in the WNF season is more accessible/likely/whatever than placing in a tournament happening in the same area.

      • Anonymous

        Personally when compared to the ease of access of a local tournament, I don’t consider needing to compete and place at as many of the WNF tournies as possible to maybe perhaps get a shot at some EVO points much of a privilege. I’d far prefer one of the multiple tournies that you’re getting out in the East Coast, but this is how things are so we have to take what we get. Don’t try to kid yourself by saying that placing in the WNF season is more accessible/likely/whatever than placing in a tournament happening in the same area.

    • Bryant Chan

       This makes a lot of sense to me!

    • Bryant Chan

       This makes a lot of sense to me!

    • Bryant Chan

       This makes a lot of sense to me!

    • hyerty

      Oh please anyone can enter a major. You essentially have to live in a particular area for a local.

      • http://www.facebook.com/TheRedrapper Zaid Tabani

        OF COURSE. Because I can totally enter UFGT8 from SoCal. It’s not like I have to pay for a plane ticket, lodging, transportation money, entrance fees and all that jazz. And Wednesday Night Fights is TOTALLY a Local casual session with like 40 people, amirite?

        • Anonymous

          Not to mention that if you do decide to do all that, you have to miss out on Northwest Majors. Y’know, a tourney that’s closer, easier to get to, and on the same weekend.

  • Anonymous

    It’s funny how whenever something positive happens, the FGC is so quick to shit all over it. To everyone complaining, lets take a step back and ask ourselves why WNF is getting EVO points for the Season Finalists (Meaning that the people with the most WNF points at the end of the WNF season are the only ones awarded the EVO points, not the winner of each individual WNF gathering).

    When the tournament season was announced here (http://shoryuken.com/2012/01/03/introducing-the-evo-2012-game-linup-and-tournament-season/), I took a look at the locations of where the various tournaments would be that would have EVO seeding opportunities and sighed. Out of the 17 locations listed, only two of them took place in California, an area that is geographically larger than most of the North East costal states. However, within just the confines of Maine to Pennsylvania, you have three different majors to compete for those EVO points (Apex, Winter Brawl, and East Coast Throwdown).

    In my opinion, this feels a little unfair to those of us living in California, as our only two opportunities listed are Norcal Regionals and the Team Mad Catz Championships in San Diego. Thankfully, us in the large state of California are getting another in the newly announced WNF season.

    Now, you might say that that doesn’t include the entire West Coast, but if I were to do so, that’d be just one more tournament in the 18 total mentioned so far (Northwest Majors in Seattle, WA.) This rounds out the entire West Coast EVO season to four. However, if I were to move just a couple states over from Pennsylvania, I would be able to note that there’s Powerup 2012 in Cincinatti Ohio and Season’s Beatings: Summer Slam in Columbus Ohio, two more East Coast majors in the same state. This easily brings the EC total to 5, without even mentioning the newly added Civil War in Virginia, Final Round in Atlanta GE, CEO 2012 in Orlando FL, Midwest Championships 2012 in Nashville TN, and the Ultimate Fighting Game Tournament 8 in Chicago IL.

    That’s a grand total of 10 tournaments, all of note because they are easily halfway across the country from California, on the east side of Missouri. So to those on the east coast complaining about fairness and favoritism on WNF/EVO/SRK’s behalf, please take a look at what you have before taking the time to take the piss out of the slim pickings we get out here on the West Coast. It’s far easier to travel from NY to Ohio than it is to travel from CA to anywhere on the East.

  • http://twitter.com/eliverling Eliver Ling

    Here’s a little fact for anyone with a problem with this:
    Despite not having a single Evo sanctioned major, So Cal had the most players who qualified in the top 32 of MvC3 at last year’s evo out of any division (12 of us made it that far off the top of my head).  Out of those 12, most of us went to evo without a single seeding point, INCLUDING THE WORLD CHAMP.  

    The bottom line is that So Cal is probably the biggest division in the FGC along with the atlantic north.  The difference is that the east coast has Evo sanctioned majors.  If any tournament series has proven itself worthy of evo seeding, it’s WNFs.  And furthermore, these points will only go out to the winners.

  • http://twitter.com/eliverling Eliver Ling

    Here’s a little fact for anyone with a problem with this:
    Despite not having a single Evo sanctioned major, So Cal had the most players who qualified in the top 32 of MvC3 at last year’s evo out of any division (12 of us made it that far off the top of my head).  Out of those 12, most of us went to evo without a single seeding point, INCLUDING THE WORLD CHAMP.  

    The bottom line is that So Cal is probably the biggest division in the FGC along with the atlantic north.  The difference is that the east coast has Evo sanctioned majors.  If any tournament series has proven itself worthy of evo seeding, it’s WNFs.  And furthermore, these points will only go out to the winners.

    • hyerty

      Tl;dr : Move to Socal

    • hyerty

      Tl;dr : Move to Socal

      • http://twitter.com/eliverling Eliver Ling

        You should.  You’d love the weather.  o/

        • Anonymous

          I tried that and I hated the weather. 90F in November is not cool.

          • http://twitter.com/eliverling Eliver Ling

            Last November was a fraudulent November.  Ignore the weather from then as it will never happen again.

          • http://twitter.com/eliverling Eliver Ling

            Last November was a fraudulent November.  Ignore the weather from then as it will never happen again.

    • Anonymous

      cmon now… stop sucking your own c@%k. weekly’s arent the fairest way. the only way is to create another  “evo sanctioned” major on the west coast.. that give west coast more points and gives east coast fair access to the events. and your term “scrubbs” is so bullshit. what your saying is that if their not a big namer on a stream they dont matter. what about the flockers? or the d.j. houshen’s? they are good but dont live in a major city where their is bigger support for the fgc. your being real fucking greedy. thats straight up disrespect for all of the up-and-comers. bottom line wnf is unfair and they need to make another major in cal so you guys are happy. and your a scrubb. i dont see you winning anything so dont talk like your a viscant or a justin wong.

    • Anonymous

      cmon now… stop sucking your own c@%k. weekly’s arent the fairest way. the only way is to create another  “evo sanctioned” major on the west coast.. that give west coast more points and gives east coast fair access to the events. and your term “scrubbs” is so bullshit. what your saying is that if their not a big namer on a stream they dont matter. what about the flockers? or the d.j. houshen’s? they are good but dont live in a major city where their is bigger support for the fgc. your being real fucking greedy. thats straight up disrespect for all of the up-and-comers. bottom line wnf is unfair and they need to make another major in cal so you guys are happy. and your a scrubb. i dont see you winning anything so dont talk like your a viscant or a justin wong.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Cannon/701758565 Tom Cannon

    Quick note to those who think this is somehow unfair or favoring LA.  Even with these changes, the Road to Evo schedule HEAVILY favors the EC over the WC.  Here is the breakdown of tournaments by region of the US.

    Northeast: 4 in the US, plus 2 nearby tournaments in Canada
    Southeast: 3
    California: 2
    Southwest: 1
    Midwest: 3
    Northwest: 1

    Remember, CA covers almost the entire west coast.  Someone living in NY or NJ has *9* Road to Evo events within the same distance as the as the two CA events in San Jose and San Diego.

    The reason for adding WNF to the season was to address this disparity.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Cannon/701758565 Tom Cannon

    Quick note to those who think this is somehow unfair or favoring LA.  Even with these changes, the Road to Evo schedule HEAVILY favors the EC over the WC.  Here is the breakdown of tournaments by region of the US.

    Northeast: 4 in the US, plus 2 nearby tournaments in Canada
    Southeast: 3
    California: 2
    Southwest: 1
    Midwest: 3
    Northwest: 1

    Remember, CA covers almost the entire west coast.  Someone living in NY or NJ has *9* Road to Evo events within the same distance as the as the two CA events in San Jose and San Diego.

    The reason for adding WNF to the season was to address this disparity.

    • Anonymous

      Could you have used another major instead of a ranbat?

    • Anonymous

      Could you have used another major instead of a ranbat?

    • Anonymous

      Could you have used another major instead of a ranbat?

    • Anonymous

      So where’s NorCal’s seeding points? Why aren’t the points being offered in the Northwest or Southwest regions, where there are even less access to Road to Evo events than Cali? And why doesn’t Cali have more majors?  This decision doesn’t address the disparity for anyone other than SoCal players. Hence, there’s still a disparity.

      Also, by addressing it in this manner, you create a different disparity, by giving LA’s local ranbats much more importance over everyone else’s. This is essentially ‘robbing Peter to pay Paul’.

      • Anonymous

        Norcal’s seedings points are at Norcal regionals. As for the northwest
        and southwest, let me ask you this, when was the last time you saw a
        stream for a major in those areas? Has there been a consistent major in
        those areas that draws in good numbers and has a following? The only one
        I could think of devastation which was in Arizona, but that’s after the
        Evo timeframe. They are not going to randomly attach the Evo name to
        just any tournament. They are going to look for entities that have
        credibility and are respected. WNF has some of both. Aside from having some of the best players this side of the states, there’s a modest turn out of around 70+ players(usually) per game, and a stream viewership that breaks 8k every week. There aren’t many local ranbats that compare to that.

        And how exactly is it Canon’s responsibility to hold tournaments because
        you asked why california doesn’t have more majors? That’s not up to
        him, that’s up for individuals who are willing put down the money and
        time into planning them which are rather few and far between. Even fewer
        for those who can run it year after year and gain recognition.

        • Anonymous

          I never said it was Cannon’s responsibility to hold tournaments, especially not ‘because I asked’. He’s claiming that WNF is getting Evo seeding points to “address this disparity”, but that doesn’t make any logical sense, because there are areas that are just as deprived of the opportunity as SoCal is, and no one else, anywhere, is getting a chance to get seeded for Evo for a ranbat.

          Evo is billed as the World Finals, yet only players in the SoCal area are getting a chance at these points. Majors, on the other hand, are reasonably accessible to any player that’s willing to travel to one, since they only take up one weekend.

          The only way to properly address the disparity between the amount of Road to Evo majors held in the WC as opposed to the EC is for the WC community to host more majors, and for SRK to award points for those majors. Giving a ranbat season seeding points doesn’t address the unfairness of EC having more majors than WC, it just creates a different unfairness of giving SoCal exclusive points. This is my only point.

          If SRK wants to let it rock, fine. In fact, I have no problem with Evo seeding branching out to large, high-level locals in America, as that allows for an even better indicator of skill than just majors. In that sense, WNF is quite deserving of it.

          But if that’s the case, then more large local ranbats with high skill level should be given the opportunity as well. If this remains exclusive to WNF, there’s no way that the arrangement is logically for the sake of fairness. That’s hogwash, because majors and ranbat seasons simply aren’t the same thing.

        • Anonymous

          I never said it was Cannon’s responsibility to hold tournaments, especially not ‘because I asked’. He’s claiming that WNF is getting Evo seeding points to “address this disparity”, but that doesn’t make any logical sense, because there are areas that are just as deprived of the opportunity as SoCal is, and no one else, anywhere, is getting a chance to get seeded for Evo for a ranbat.

          Evo is billed as the World Finals, yet only players in the SoCal area are getting a chance at these points. Majors, on the other hand, are reasonably accessible to any player that’s willing to travel to one, since they only take up one weekend.

          The only way to properly address the disparity between the amount of Road to Evo majors held in the WC as opposed to the EC is for the WC community to host more majors, and for SRK to award points for those majors. Giving a ranbat season seeding points doesn’t address the unfairness of EC having more majors than WC, it just creates a different unfairness of giving SoCal exclusive points. This is my only point.

          If SRK wants to let it rock, fine. In fact, I have no problem with Evo seeding branching out to large, high-level locals in America, as that allows for an even better indicator of skill than just majors. In that sense, WNF is quite deserving of it.

          But if that’s the case, then more large local ranbats with high skill level should be given the opportunity as well. If this remains exclusive to WNF, there’s no way that the arrangement is logically for the sake of fairness. That’s hogwash, because majors and ranbat seasons simply aren’t the same thing.

      • Anonymous

        Norcal’s seedings points are at Norcal regionals. As for the northwest
        and southwest, let me ask you this, when was the last time you saw a
        stream for a major in those areas? Has there been a consistent major in
        those areas that draws in good numbers and has a following? The only one
        I could think of devastation which was in Arizona, but that’s after the
        Evo timeframe. They are not going to randomly attach the Evo name to
        just any tournament. They are going to look for entities that have
        credibility and are respected. WNF has some of both. Aside from having some of the best players this side of the states, there’s a modest turn out of around 70+ players(usually) per game, and a stream viewership that breaks 8k every week. There aren’t many local ranbats that compare to that.

        And how exactly is it Canon’s responsibility to hold tournaments because
        you asked why california doesn’t have more majors? That’s not up to
        him, that’s up for individuals who are willing put down the money and
        time into planning them which are rather few and far between. Even fewer
        for those who can run it year after year and gain recognition.

    • http://twitter.com/BUSB00M Steve B

      I guess you can call Ohio Midwest. It is more East Coast in my opinion. Midwest truely only has 1 major. UFGT8. That is an 8 hour drive from my house. Driving to C-Bus is 13.5 hours. I can only feel worse for the players in Kansas or the dakotas.

      • http://twitter.com/_ETR Christian Cain

        I’m just trying to figure out why a lack of majors in the Midwest is the fault of SRK or the Cannons… this seems to be everyone’s argument now “Add more majors HERE” well, find someone in your state to make a respectable major that can be represented for EVO points.

        Southern California is one of the most concentrated areas for fighting game competition. Nobody can really argue with this. I don’t understand why Tom’s logic isn’t understood. =/

        • Anonymous

          how is lack of majors in socal srk’s fault? but you get more seeding points.. see how dumb you sound? your getting more points and midwest wants more too. you dont even know what your saying. wnf is not a major either, its a weekly hangout giving points only to those who can make it every week.  a.k.a. locals to that area. use your brain before you speak. if they just make a new major instead of the unfair wnf season it would be fair. its not about east west majors difference, its about giving points to socal that arent up for grabs by anyone else except for socal, that is biased and unfair.. very unprofessional.

          • http://twitter.com/_ETR Christian Cain

            This is under the assumption that Majors do not cater to local players in that area. Generally, the only people who travel long distances for majors are either A. People who can afford to or B. People who will place very well in the event.

            Also take into account that, as I’ve mentioned before, there is a high, high concentration of FGC players in Southern California and the East Coast. Not to say that other parts of the country don’t have fighting game players, but you have to admit that if you had to choose to live somewhere that had the best fighting game competition, you would be in California or New York. I would. It’s kind of like the House of Representatives in a sense… you have to balance the FGC population in areas at times, which is why so many EVO points are concentrated on the East/West coasts.

            But I digress slightly. The main argument here, is that everyone should have fair and equal opportunities for EVO points, correct? I mean, that’s the gist of it. Why then, is this an issue NOW? Why was there no outrage when the tournament season was announced and the MidWest only had 1 accessible major (Amongst the complaints) but the outrage is now? Isn’t everyone therefore discriminating against SoCal?  Keep in mind before this Southern California has had 1 of 17 events in the EVO circuit. And we’re one of the biggest FGC populations in the country. Shouldn’t we have been complaining? But we didn’t.

            Also, I don’t think trying to belittle WNF as a small, weekly hangout isn’t something that you should do unless you’ve actually been there and played. I’ve never attended a MidWest or Big 2 event, so I have no place to complain about the integrity or competition there.

            I will say this again: Everyone who has expressed outrage regarding this sponsorship would not win any EVO points if they had this in their local area anyway. The players who would win points are going, “Meh, I’ll just fly out to NCR and take the points there.”

            Now if you’ll excuse me, I’ll need to find some practical use for all this excess salt lying around.

          • Anonymous

            haha. good stuff. what im saying is create a major right there at the wnf. a one time event, if they can run a season, im sure they could run a weekend event. i agree west coast should have more majors. just not the in-house season of wnf for seeding. im fighting for both sides you numbskull. your fighting for one side. i believe in equal chance for everyone who loves the game. if the fgc was so big in the west coast i think they would already have more events. 

        • Anonymous

          how is lack of majors in socal srk’s fault? but you get more seeding points.. see how dumb you sound? your getting more points and midwest wants more too. you dont even know what your saying. wnf is not a major either, its a weekly hangout giving points only to those who can make it every week.  a.k.a. locals to that area. use your brain before you speak. if they just make a new major instead of the unfair wnf season it would be fair. its not about east west majors difference, its about giving points to socal that arent up for grabs by anyone else except for socal, that is biased and unfair.. very unprofessional.

        • Anonymous

          how is lack of majors in socal srk’s fault? but you get more seeding points.. see how dumb you sound? your getting more points and midwest wants more too. you dont even know what your saying. wnf is not a major either, its a weekly hangout giving points only to those who can make it every week.  a.k.a. locals to that area. use your brain before you speak. if they just make a new major instead of the unfair wnf season it would be fair. its not about east west majors difference, its about giving points to socal that arent up for grabs by anyone else except for socal, that is biased and unfair.. very unprofessional.

      • http://twitter.com/_ETR Christian Cain

        I’m just trying to figure out why a lack of majors in the Midwest is the fault of SRK or the Cannons… this seems to be everyone’s argument now “Add more majors HERE” well, find someone in your state to make a respectable major that can be represented for EVO points.

        Southern California is one of the most concentrated areas for fighting game competition. Nobody can really argue with this. I don’t understand why Tom’s logic isn’t understood. =/

    • http://twitter.com/BUSB00M Steve B

      I guess you can call Ohio Midwest. It is more East Coast in my opinion. Midwest truely only has 1 major. UFGT8. That is an 8 hour drive from my house. Driving to C-Bus is 13.5 hours. I can only feel worse for the players in Kansas or the dakotas.

    • Anonymous

      I categorically disagree with the decision to only reward WNF and the So-Cal area with this advantage.

      The fact that NY and NJ have 9 events within the same distance as the two CA events is irrelevant imo.  Players traveling to attend the current Road to EVO tourneys must make decisions whether to attend based on their respective financial situations and time/schedules.  In some cases it could be more cost effective for an EC player to attend a CA event, rather than an EC event, depending on flight/housing/hotel rates.  Once you decide to take the time, buy airline/bus tickets, arrange for housing/hotel, whether you are going to CA or Ohio/Philly/NJ/Canada etc., it is a substantial commitment.

      The decision by SRK to sponsor WNF only, clearly gives an unfair advantage to the players who regularly attend that weekly event, without any additional sacrifice from those players.

      SRK should at the VERY least identify the criteria for other weekly events to be included, or this is grossly bias and unfair.

    • Anonymous

      I categorically disagree with the decision to only reward WNF and the So-Cal area with this advantage.

      The fact that NY and NJ have 9 events within the same distance as the two CA events is irrelevant imo.  Players traveling to attend the current Road to EVO tourneys must make decisions whether to attend based on their respective financial situations and time/schedules.  In some cases it could be more cost effective for an EC player to attend a CA event, rather than an EC event, depending on flight/housing/hotel rates.  Once you decide to take the time, buy airline/bus tickets, arrange for housing/hotel, whether you are going to CA or Ohio/Philly/NJ/Canada etc., it is a substantial commitment.

      The decision by SRK to sponsor WNF only, clearly gives an unfair advantage to the players who regularly attend that weekly event, without any additional sacrifice from those players.

      SRK should at the VERY least identify the criteria for other weekly events to be included, or this is grossly bias and unfair.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe people aren’t understanding the numbers, which is why there’s such an outrage. There are 5 east coast events with evo points(2 in NJ, 1 in GA, 1 FL, and 1 in PA). There are 3 west coast ones(1 in Seattle, 1 nor cal, 1 in San Diego). And those are single events. For WNF, there will be 23 of them. You have to win 12 out of 23 to ensure getting 50 evo points, the equivalent of winning 1 major.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe people aren’t understanding the numbers, which is why there’s such an outrage. There are 5 east coast events with evo points(2 in NJ, 1 in GA, 1 FL, and 1 in PA). There are 3 west coast ones(1 in Seattle, 1 nor cal, 1 in San Diego). And those are single events. For WNF, there will be 23 of them. You have to win 12 out of 23 to ensure getting 50 evo points, the equivalent of winning 1 major.

  • fwank theeofonahpolus

    los angeles has no tournaments that are apart of the evo season so it makes sense that there is at least one event where the winner gets points. deal with it.

    • Anonymous

      if you think they should give l.a.a major  type 1

  • fwank theeofonahpolus

    los angeles has no tournaments that are apart of the evo season so it makes sense that there is at least one event where the winner gets points. deal with it.

  • Duck Strong

    Welcome to SRK. If you’re not part of the good ol’ boys club these cocksuckers don’t give a shit about you.
    It’s time to give MLG a chance because these assholes will keep pulling shady shit like this over and over again.

    Promoting X-arcade sticks, Capcom Collection 2 ST, 3, HDR. All of them ended up being complete ass and we’re supposed to say that’s ok?

    What about having a fucking pyramid scheme, where Duc Do was recruiting every moron sycophant he could on the site to fill his wallet. Again fully endorsed by SRK. Where is he now? He sure as shit hasn’t shown his face here since that thing went sour.

    Face it, this site is run by a bunch shady ass schyster hustlers.

    The favoritism is disgusting and it’s time we showed these pricks that they don’t own the community.

    • Anonymous

      Wow just spent an hour researching Duc Do and that scam… and to think, there are people falling for this shit every day.. recently someone hit up our local scene trying to hock amway memberships as “sponsorships”.

      No real problem with WNF getting points though considering the effort needed to get any of them

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=12804098 Andrew Hoss

    Yeah, I really don’t see anything wrong with this, considering SoCal features some of the best Street Fighter and MvC3 players in the country and Cali only gets 2 EVO majors. The Road to EVO schedule is unfair to SoCal. They’re just trying to even things out.

    And I’m not from SoCal, so I have no dog in this fight.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Fragbait Edward Orndorff

    Locals getting EVO points?
    Stay classy, SRK.

    Shouldnt’ be worth EVO points if it doesn’t run EVO’s gamelist.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Fragbait Edward Orndorff

    Locals getting EVO points?
    Stay classy, SRK.

    Shouldnt’ be worth EVO points if it doesn’t run EVO’s gamelist.

  • Anonymous

    sounds like the only way to make the fgc happy is to create another major on the west coast. this makes everyone happy east and west. of course middle america gets screwed. and pr rog who reset the bracket at evo and got second place who has to fly from p.r. to compete for seeding points which is more exspensive than either coast has to pay. i agree that a local weekly for seeding is hard to win the season but at the same time no one has a chance to fly out every week to get points if they choose to do so.how bout they create another major,say…. in between nor and socal, thats a three hour drive where others will have to fly and spend way more money if they wanna compete to be fair. remember good players come from everywhere. remember dj houshen, flocker, pr balrog, cmon… cant baby all the socal hipsters. and for the record… apex is a fucking joke. its a smash tourney by nature, not a capcom tourney…. so to recap, create a new major so no one on east coast or west coast gets a chapped ass over this dirty doing. call it the salt cup.  haha

    • http://twitter.com/_ETR Christian Cain

      You do understand how seeding works rig- Oh nevermind.

      • Anonymous

        what im saying is that you dont get seeding for the majors, only evo. the majors on the road to evo have all top players spread out across the pools which garuntees they make top 8 (in most cases) which in turn gives the better seeding at evo, so by default the pool corruption across the majors gives all seeding points to the top players. can you follow- Oh nevermind……..

        • http://twitter.com/_ETR Christian Cain

           So now you’re complaining about seeding in majors, which is not this threads point, and then telling us we should have another major instead? …Okay?

          I don’t think we should detract from the point here.

          How do you think another major will fix the problem?

      • Anonymous

        what im saying is that you dont get seeding for the majors, only evo. the majors on the road to evo have all top players spread out across the pools which garuntees they make top 8 (in most cases) which in turn gives the better seeding at evo, so by default the pool corruption across the majors gives all seeding points to the top players. can you follow- Oh nevermind……..

    • http://twitter.com/_ETR Christian Cain

      You do understand how seeding works rig- Oh nevermind.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1790501535 Phillip Kaiser

    While i understand everyone’s frustration think of how this will help the already high turnouts that WNF has. If this kind of opportunity was given to the Break or Big Two, who have smaller numbers, especially the break, they would get a huge influx of competitors during the run for the seeding points. In a time where arcades are dying out faster than I can actually find one to go to, we should be celebrating this announcement and looking for a way to incorporate the break and big two into a similar setup.

     And while the EC has access to many majors it seems many of you have no knowledge of the logistics of traveling to said EC majors based on your location. Sure folks in philly, jersey, and NY can take subways, buses, and carpool, but guys like me in Ohio aren’t positioned as nicely and would require a large financial investment to make it to anything that’s not in Ohio. And I don’t live in Columbus or Cleveland, but rural, surrounded by cows and farms, no public transportation, West Salem Ohio. It’s hard for some people to make it to any locals or majors, and I imagine many on the west coast live in similar situations. If your like me, just be thankful you don’t live in Alaska and it suddenly feels a bit better.

     Maybe it’s because I’m more of a viewer than an active participant in the fgc that I’m not so irate over this, but I think we should be supporting each other here, not complaining.
     

  • http://twitter.com/_ETR Christian Cain

    This article makes a really going point regarding the WND season compared to a major, you should read it:

    http://www.gytnews.com/articles/news-and-info/wednesday-night-fights-now-part-of-the-road-to-evolution.html

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=588143331 Phoenix Wright

    Hahaha dont you loser wish you lived in socal NEEE NEEERR NEEE NEEEER NNEEE.

    Stay free rest of the world.

    fucking babies

    • Anonymous

      Stop making one of my favorite characters look bad you jerk.

    • Anonymous

      Stop making one of my favorite characters look bad you jerk.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=588143331 Phoenix Wright

    Hahaha dont you loser wish you lived in socal NEEE NEEERR NEEE NEEEER NNEEE.

    Stay free rest of the world.

    fucking babies

  • http://twitter.com/ohitsjmz jmz spammed:

    Re: “Add another socal major instead of giving it to a ranbat season”

    so yall’ll feel better if (let’s say) combofiend gets his seeding points in one weekend as opposed to showing up to super every wednesday for 8 weeks straight?

    P sure all the haters don’t know how ranbats work, seriously.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TheRedrapper Zaid Tabani

    Dear people with unfavorable opinions to said idea,
    Hello. My name is Understanding.  I’m going to help you understand how things work– only to be ignored by the brunt of you, and eventually given a cynical reply by someone who reads and understands nothing. Never the less, I’m going to attempt to give you this amazing thing called “empathy”– which the internet seems to feel is either a myth or “lol”. So lets get started:

    a) For a moment, please take a look at your recent placings at major tournaments of the EVO season last year. If the placing lies anywhere below the numbers 1-32– then please shut up. You’re complaining about something that tbh— does not seem to affect you. Hate to be a dick– but there it is. If in the next few months you happen to get Top 8 at a major and are in the running for those points– then please feel free to post because then it IS your shit on the line. If you happen to be sponsored to fly out to all these major events for the FGC– then also feel free to post. However if you’re complaining about “unfair advantage” when your tournament life will be affected in almost no way whatsoever– why are you wasting our time? Unless you become a top player within the next two months whether or not you get EVO points from these events affects you zilch. It’s one thing to be upset– it’s another to act like it’s some TRAVESTY that for some reason one of the biggest weekly streams which houses some of the best playing talent in the world is somehow getting the chance to be a part of the EVO season.  Hate me all you want, but straight up– is your world really gonna come crumbling down if you can’t compete for those WNF’s EVO points? 

    Is it because you feel bad about those people who ARE that good and not getting a chance? Well then let them speak up because otherwise all you’re doing is making a mountain out of a mole-hill about something that doesn’t concern you.

    b) I’m not going to bother digging into the whole “West Coast has no majors thing”– because so many people have said it at this point, if you haven’t listened you probably don’t care about anybody but “you, you, you.” There’s a great deal of possibility that comes with a weekly event like WNF’s gaining something like EVO points. Lets say the run of shows regarding it works out– where do you think it goes from there? You think EVO is just gonna be like “lets keep it on the WC.” How deluded are you? Logically why wouldn’t next year be filled with places like New York weeklies getting EVO points– or maybe Texas weeklies getting EVO points. If Spooky got that shit I would be HYPE AS HELL for him! If you start something in your scene, shouldn’t you be rewarded for working hard at it? 

    “But no frumfrumfrum *crosses arms* it’s FAVORITISM because it’s a small local event and they get EVO points frumfrumfrum *recrosses arms while continuing to cross arms* only a bunch of easygoing NOBODIES are probably going to get the points– so if you live like 3 miles away from Super Arcade you’re probably set for Evo Seeds frumfrumFUUU–”

    Who are the frequent attendees of WnF’s? Combofiend, Fanatiq, Mike Ross, Gootecks, Justin Wong, Floe, Cl0ckWork, Online Tony, Hugo101— you know a lot of those names you see on TOP 8 placings all over the fucking place. A lot of those players are not “local” to the area. Super arcade isn’t a hop skip and a jump from LA or Orange County. It’s an hour to 2 hour drive through maddeningly retarded LA traffic at peak hours in order to get to Walnut. Oh. and then you drive back at like 2 am in the morning. The majority of players I listed do not live in the area. There’s a high concentration of master class players who attend WNF’s– and the event is HARD. It’s not like you play a bunch of randoms out of the blue until you get to Top 8. You all say “local” like we’re a bunch of college kids who threw together a stream in 10 minutes with people who live like 6 miles away. Thanks for that faith in the event guys. 

    c) Again, if you failed reading comprehension in the 3rd grade, it may be hard to notice that the points are by season. It also may be hard to notice that means that in order to get said EVO points, you have to place at 8 WNF’s events respectively. Keep in mind– that means you have to play dozens of people on the level of those top players I listed above– for 8 weeks STRAIGHT– in order to attain those points. You gotta place in 8 weekly MAJOR QUALITY top 8 sets in order to get those points. And you have to attend EVERY WEDNESDAY. 8 in a row. 8 solid weeks of 2 hour commute and a 2am drive back when most people have work in the morning. That’s a tall order now a days. But oh no– it’s totally the same thing with an easier learning curve, right?

    What I find stupid about this is how flagrantly confrontational everybody is to the whole idea when it means advancement. Lets say it was another weekly stream way away from the west coast– would we be bitching? I for one wouldn’t, because it’s a big deal for the FGC as a whole. And has WnF’s not earned it? Is the quality of players and stream available on a weekly basis not up to par with something worthy of this?

    If your concern is “lack of difficulty” in obtaining the points we’ve pointed out that the player base that attends frequently houses many top 8 finishers– and that the finals sets are always the quality of a major. Not to mention that you have to win 8 of them in a row to even qualify for these points. If your concern is that it’s west coast favoritism– point out the WC Majors that are so readily available to us that we can attend in order to get these points. Oh wait– I forgot you’re ignoring that argument. Silly me! 

    Well how about this– are the players in attendance who normally make top 8 the quality you would normally find making a top 8 bracket at majors? Yes. Is there a conciliation towards GETTING the points with the fact that the event is weekly? Yes(lets see you come out here and win 8 major quality sets in a fucking row) Is the East Coast screwed for tournament chances and points? Hell no. In fact– wouldn’t it be much more convenient for you to obtain points since your major is one event– and ours is 8 in a row with what is essentially a weekly death bracket featuring players like Combofiend, Justin, Valle, Tony etc. etc.? One would think so– given that WNF’s EVO points constitute 32 hours of work to obtain while a single event is about less than half of that. You think it’s easy to just clap our hands and suddenly organize a major all of a sudden? 

    Is some of what you guys are saying honest and valid? Of course. There are areas that should get more love then they are receiving currently. See that crazy thing I mentioned called “empathy” lets me understand your viewpoint while maintaining my own. Have you attempted to do the same? Saying “you only feel that way because you live on the West Coast” isn’t exhibiting empathy. Have you really tried to understand why its important to us we have this? I don’t see how shitting on WC players, who for once have a reason to really but some faith in this point system is going to help you solve your problem. Instead of crying out “TEAR DOWN THIS WNF’s SHIT”, shouldn’t you be asking if you qualify for a similar program? Wouldn’t that be something– if these points systems became a big national deal? Imagine weekly events in every region of the country where people would work for these points– isn’t that adding a lot of weight to the competitive aspect of this game? Isn’t that exciting? I don’t know. I think it’s cool. Because of the possibility. But I would be excited half way across the coast if it was the other way around as well. 

    Man, maybe I just wish for once people could be hype about something cool instead of shitting all over it. Wouldn’t that be nice?

    /endrant

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=623076026 Magnus Primpus

      you should put this in a rap. you are doing this wrong.
      edit:glad Tom Cannon sees the light and lowers the number of pts given

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=623076026 Magnus Primpus

      you should put this in a rap. you are doing this wrong.
      edit:glad Tom Cannon sees the light and lowers the number of pts given

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=623076026 Magnus Primpus

      you should put this in a rap. you are doing this wrong.
      edit:glad Tom Cannon sees the light and lowers the number of pts given

      • http://twitter.com/_ETR Christian Cain

        Seeing the light =/= quelling the complainers. I’d like to believe the Cannon’s put a lot of thought into what they were doing before it was announced.

      • http://twitter.com/_ETR Christian Cain

        Seeing the light =/= quelling the complainers. I’d like to believe the Cannon’s put a lot of thought into what they were doing before it was announced.

      • http://twitter.com/_ETR Christian Cain

        Seeing the light =/= quelling the complainers. I’d like to believe the Cannon’s put a lot of thought into what they were doing before it was announced.

      • http://twitter.com/_ETR Christian Cain

        Seeing the light =/= quelling the complainers. I’d like to believe the Cannon’s put a lot of thought into what they were doing before it was announced.

      • http://twitter.com/_ETR Christian Cain

        Seeing the light =/= quelling the complainers. I’d like to believe the Cannon’s put a lot of thought into what they were doing before it was announced.

      • http://twitter.com/_ETR Christian Cain

        Seeing the light =/= quelling the complainers. I’d like to believe the Cannon’s put a lot of thought into what they were doing before it was announced.

      • http://twitter.com/_ETR Christian Cain

        Seeing the light =/= quelling the complainers. I’d like to believe the Cannon’s put a lot of thought into what they were doing before it was announced.

    • Anonymous

      you are not understanding. you never were, and you never will be.

    • Anonymous

      you are not understanding. you never were, and you never will be.

    • Anonymous

      you are not understanding. you never were, and you never will be.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Demar.Grant Démar Grant

    Y U No sponsor Big Two?

  • http://www.facebook.com/Demar.Grant Démar Grant

    Y U No sponsor Big Two?

  • http://www.facebook.com/Demar.Grant Démar Grant

    Y U No sponsor Big Two?

  • Anonymous

    I categorically disagree with the decision to only reward WNF and the So-Cal area with this advantage.

    The
    fact that NY and NJ have 9 events within the same distance as the two
    CA events is irrelevant imo.  Players traveling to attend the current
    Road to EVO tourneys must make decisions whether to attend based on
    their respective financial situations and time/schedules.  In some cases
    it could be more cost effective for an EC player to attend a CA event,
    rather than an EC event, depending on flight/housing/hotel rates.  Once
    you decide to take the time, buy airline/bus tickets, arrange for
    housing/hotel, whether you are going to CA or Ohio/Philly/NJ/Canada
    etc., it is a substantial commitment.

    The decision by SRK to
    sponsor WNF only, clearly gives an unfair advantage to the players who
    regularly attend that weekly event, without any additional sacrifice
    from those players.

    SRK should at the VERY least identify the criteria for other weekly events to be included, or this is grossly bias and unfair.

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