Road to EVO 2012: APEX Tournament Results

worst tourney of the year Kappa

There’s still like 30 minute waits between matches for AE. 

holy shit that Dieminion v Sanford match was fucking hype

This tournament was run so badly. Screw this. I’m running my own tournament! With blackjack! And hookers! In fact, forget the tournament!

i wonder which has more views brawl finals or mvc 3 finals

Since it’s a Smash tournament you could at least post the Smash results up, geez.

Play Skrull!

Play Skrull!

Can someone tell the fat kid to stop screaming into the mic? 

I really hate having to keep my finger on the volume button at all times, having to anticipate the next house shattering scream for no reason. 
I can’t think of anything less hype than that fat fuck yelling at me. 

Can someone tell the fat kid to stop screaming into the mic? 

I really hate having to keep my finger on the volume button at all times, having to anticipate the next house shattering scream for no reason. 
I can’t think of anything less hype than that fat fuck yelling at me. 

Ski is just as annoying. Tries TOO hard to hype matches.Try-hard

OH MY GOD THAT GRAND FINALS

Good show Noel and CJ!

That Alukard’s Jill thing was really really bad… waste of time

That Alukard’s Jill thing was really really bad… waste of time

That Alukard’s Jill thing was really really bad… waste of time

Stream has already dropped by over 2k, with UMVC3 topping out at around 9.7k views, but I’m going to stick around since I have never seen a Smash tournament before. Never seen what high-level Smash looks like, and I’m curious to see how
these cats roll.

Stream has already dropped by over 2k, with UMVC3 topping out at around 9.7k views, but I’m going to stick around since I have never seen a Smash tournament before. Never seen what high-level Smash looks like, and I’m curious to see how
these cats roll.

MarlinPie repping that 9th place in a double elimination tourney where he only lost once. As far as im concerned Alukard doesn’t deserve that 3rd until he stops dodging marlin

i knew Mastacj would win, that Dormy of his is vicious

i knew Mastacj would win, that Dormy of his is vicious

worst mayor of the year SwiftRage

hahaha marvel doubling the views brawl is a no skill game

People shouldn’t hate.  Games are games, and are fun to play.  But there just games.  Melee is fun, great game to play in tourney.  Playing fighters are cool, all the hate is dumb.

People shouldn’t hate.  Games are games, and are fun to play.  But there just games.  Melee is fun, great game to play in tourney.  Playing fighters are cool, all the hate is dumb.

People shouldn’t hate.  Games are games, and are fun to play.  But there just games.  Melee is fun, great game to play in tourney.  Playing fighters are cool, all the hate is dumb.

People shouldn’t hate.  Games are games, and are fun to play.  But there just games.  Melee is fun, great game to play in tourney.  Playing fighters are cool, all the hate is dumb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S9k2py9lW4

I was watching the Smash Bros. portion of the tournament and was bored to tears to be honest. I play Smash Bros. and I don’t consider it in the least to be a fighting game, but more of a party game like Mario Party itself only with a different quirk. I really don’t think Nintendo intended it to be considered a real fighter either, just something fun to do with their already popular characters. These guys aren’t even demonstrating high level play for Smash Bros. considering they turn off the items, or what is that what makes it a fighting game? I’ll tell you this, it takes more skill to line up a shot with a bob-omb on a player jumping and rolling all over the place and even more skill to catch one that is flying at you real fast than to just chase your opponent across huge stages with hazards that will most likely kill you before your opponent does and try to knock them out when they are sitting at 100% + health and you’ll be lucky if they die or extremely unfortunate if they miraculously find their way back on. Smash Bros. is a fun game to play, but not at the competitive level. In fact you can compare it to the likes of all the DBZ Budokai games, a fun game to play and even has the basic elements of a fighter but not enough depth to make a tournament out of it…

I was watching the Smash Bros. portion of the tournament and was bored to tears to be honest. I play Smash Bros. and I don’t consider it in the least to be a fighting game, but more of a party game like Mario Party itself only with a different quirk. I really don’t think Nintendo intended it to be considered a real fighter either, just something fun to do with their already popular characters. These guys aren’t even demonstrating high level play for Smash Bros. considering they turn off the items, or what is that what makes it a fighting game? I’ll tell you this, it takes more skill to line up a shot with a bob-omb on a player jumping and rolling all over the place and even more skill to catch one that is flying at you real fast than to just chase your opponent across huge stages with hazards that will most likely kill you before your opponent does and try to knock them out when they are sitting at 100% + health and you’ll be lucky if they die or extremely unfortunate if they miraculously find their way back on. Smash Bros. is a fun game to play, but not at the competitive level. In fact you can compare it to the likes of all the DBZ Budokai games, a fun game to play and even has the basic elements of a fighter but not enough depth to make a tournament out of it…

wait, brawl and melee were considered fighting games? in the nintendo site they were listed as party games together with mario kart and the new mario party games. sorry for not knowing but….really?

wait, brawl and melee were considered fighting games? in the nintendo site they were listed as party games together with mario kart and the new mario party games. sorry for not knowing but….really?

wait, brawl and melee were considered fighting games? in the nintendo site they were listed as party games together with mario kart and the new mario party games. sorry for not knowing but….really?

I wish people would stop fighting about Smash vs SF/UMvC3/etc. We’re all players and competitors and we all play as hard as we can to win. No, Smash is not a traditional fighter, but it’s still a competitive game. I haven’t seen any matches from this Apex yet, but from what I hear it was very poorly run compared to previous Apex’s, so I wouldn’t use this Apex as a prime example of a good Smash tourny.

I play both Smash (melee) and other fighters, and people that continue to say shit like “boring smash match, rules are stupid, takes too long.” Don’t really know what they’re talking about and should really keep these comments to yourselves. Melee in the eyes of people that don’t play it is kind of like MvC2 in the eyes of the people that didn’t play it. There’s a lot to the game and a lot you need to understand, but if you don’t take the time to understand it the game isn’t fun to play nor is it fun to watch. And just like MvC2 before MvC3 came out, most everything about the game has been discovered. Fox, Falco, and Marth are on the screen just as much as the Magneto, Storm, Sentinal team was put on screen, and even though there are other characters, these are among the best.

A game that has been alive for as long as Melee or MvC2 has is pretty off putting to a lot of players that haven’t played them before and so they get hated on. And even new games get hated on because people don’t understand much about them, or because they just plain don’t like the game. Your input on games you don’t like doesn’t help anyone, and can actually help in splitting the community. Everyone should just respect everyone else’s game of choice. Cause in the end all it does is cause hate which seperates us as players when we should just be either ignoring or appreciating the skills of others in any game.

Just remember, smashers gonna smash, street fighters gonna street fight, Marvel’s gonna vs Capcom, and Teams are gonna Fortress 2 as well as Calls are gonna go on Duty.

We’re not all playing the same thing, but so long as we have some kind of controller in our hand and we’re playing to win, we’re all still connected to the same community.

Smash is lame because I stopped playing Mario and Kirby games when I was like 8.  The game looks like a Saturday morning cartoon.

There, I said it.

If both communites joined together we really would have something beautiful. Melee is more like MvC2. Just because MvC3 has come out doesn’t mean that you all of a sudden hate MvC2 does it? Melee does require skill as does the traditional fighters. There are guranteed combos. There are mixups, spacing IS important. There are mindgames. There is reaction speed. There are also many defensive mechanics that if you have never played Melee you probably don’t know about. I respect both communities and wish we all just gave eachother a chance. Each side has stupid trolls ruining everything but people must not let a few stupid trolls make a huge opinion towards an entire community.

LOL all of the smash hate. I enjoy the hell out of melee matches, no matter what. that shit will ALWAYS be hype. now brawl, that shit is boring compared to melee. i feel the same about mvc2 to mvc3. mvc2 was so hype, all of those hard to do infinites and everything. mvc3 abcd,abcd,super xf repeat process dead. My point is, i guess the developers wanted to bring in more players thus making the games more scrub friendly. come on did you SEE any kids beating well known players in mvc2 or melee?

Melee > Brawl
MvC2 > MvC3

im going to laugh so hard when they come out with capcom x nintendo.

im going to laugh when they come out with capcom X nintendo

This is going to be a long, long post. So bare with me.

A game with depth is a game with depth. That is what Smash is; whether it is technically a fighting game or not (as determined by who? Not sure. Doesn’t really matter) is irrelevant. It functions similarly to a fighting game minus some major elements (health bar, meter, etc.) but has some unique elements (platforms, much more freedom of movement, direction influence, etc.)

The overly complex ruleset is there for the exact reason that everyone knows already: In vanilla settings, the game (assume i’m talking about melee from now on unless I state otherwise, I don’t play Brawl) is not fit for competitive play. That is because it was not designed to be that way. One thing that everyone has to realize is that regardless of a games intended design, there can be unexpected results. Melee’s depth exists whether intentional or not, and there is nothing wrong with people taking their enjoyment of the game to another level and attempting to mimmick “real” fighting games. Anyone who is annoyed or upset by this needs to get over it. If it weren’t an enjoyable experience then the Smash community would be dead by now, and it isn’t.

Now, a few things I need to get accross to the Smash players here. The people who frequent this forum are used to seeing Smashers act exactly how you all are acting now. Begging for acceptance, trying to explain why your game is legitamite. The truth is, nobody cares. Do I personally believe that Melee has a huge amount of depth? Yes. But that does not mean that I have to shove this view down other peoples throats.

This is an extreme example, but lets take a look at the Bible. There are a ton of nuts who get tons and tons of different messages from tons of different stories out of the Bible. One person gets a particular message and thinks that anyone who doesn’t share/also see that message is a moron. You, as someone who enjoys reading the Bible, doesn’t want to think that hard or look that deep into an extremely simple story, and immediately get shunned for it. This is why Casual Smash players hate us; they see exactly what the average SRK member sees; A community trying to make a game into something it wasn’t meant to be and shunning those who don’t see it the same way This is something that will always be true within the smash community, and we can’t change that. What we can change is our attitudes. While I definitely think there are a lot of good members in the Melee community (again nothing against Brawl but I don’t ever go to Brawl tournaments so I wouldn’t know), there are those who practice wavedashing at home, play with casual people and make them hate the game.

The same thing applies to the average fighting game player, more or less. Especially when Melee players take their game as a holy grail of fighting games, when it doesn’t even run properly in vanilla settings. I’m a huge fan of Melee and love playing it competitively, but there is no reason to deny that our game wasn’t designed to be played the way it is played now. It does not undermine what it has become, or devalue it, but to claim that your game is superior to other fighting games, especially when half the people who claim so don’t even play “real” fighting games, is beyond pretentious. I don’t blame them for hating us, and if more of the Smash community could just accept that there game IS seperate from the fighting game community, then I think they’d probably show us a lot more respect. We don’t need them to say “ya your game is good guys”, because most of them already (to some degree) understand the depth that Melee has. Being needy acceptance hungry scrubs isn’t helping. You all embarass me.

As far as the Smash community being less mature then other communities, no offense to you guys here at SRK, but I’ve seen some pretty childish/immature posts throuought the forum being a long time lurker. As far as hygene however, I for the most part agree, though usually it’s the younger kids who seem to have a problem with it. I’ve heard jokes about the Brawl kids being furries/anime nerds/never showering, but as I’ve said I don’t know any of them so I can’t say for sure.

I guess what is really boils down to is, the reason we aren’t a real part of the FG community is not because our game isn’t deep enough or doesn’t require enough skill or even because SRK hates us; It’s because our game will always be a misfit. Misfits don’t have to be hated, but all of you moronic Smashers make it so damn easy and give such awful examples of our community that people draw conclusions, often rightfully so. You all need to grow up.

Melee, regardless of it’s intended design, is a great game, and has at the very least stood the test of time. It’s going on 11 years and tournaments still get great turnouts. Whether these people accept us as a fighting game community or not is irrelevant, because it seems like most of you haven’t even accepted yourselves. Who cares what people think? Play the game you like.

Now, to the rest of the FGC, APEX was clearly not run extremely efficiently, but considering the scale of it and the small staff in comparisson to that of other major tournaments, it was an overall success. The reason we have coaches is because we have stage counterpicks. Allow me to explain: 

P1 loses to P2. P2 is allowed to counter pick. P1 strikes one stage from being counterpicked. P2 chooses stage. P1 is allowed to change character. P2 then can then change character. 

A lot of thought has to go into this, and coaches are there to help. No disrespect to the rest of the FGC, because I know stages are not particularly important to how the game plays out. But that is the main reason for coaches. 

To those of you who think Smash takes no skill, you remind me of the smashers who think the FGC takes no skill. You are the armpit of your community. If you want to hate something, get educated about it. Most of the FGC that I’ve spoken to and hates smash at the very least acknowledged it takes skill. It may lack a lot of the fundamentals that make it a true fighting game, but it makes up for it with a lot of unique mechanics that I won’t waste my time naming since anyone who cares about this post already knows what I’m saying is true, and anyone who disagrees with it won’t bother learning about it.

I guess that’s pretty much it. FGC, I really do not think that we need your acceptance. But when we host a tournament and invite you to be a part of it, show some respect whether you like the game or not. I’m not talking about kids on the stream, or kids here that beg for acceptance. But show the players some respect, and the people who want to be respectful towards you. If it weren’t for you, competitive melee wouldn’t exist. So hate us if you want.