This past weekend saw the massive competitive gaming expo DreamHack take place in Jönköping, Sweden. Featuring competitions in Super Street Fighter IV: Arcade Edition, StarCraft II, Quake, Dota 2, Heroes of Newerth, Counter-Strike, and Angry Birds, DreamHack is attended by some of the best pro gamers from around the world. On Saturday, the final day of esports competition, Ryan “Prodigal Son” Hart and Infiltration took to the big stage for grand finals in AE.

In a move that demonstrated the importance of the fighting game scene to the future of competitive gaming, the DreamHack organizers scheduled the Street Fighter grand finals in a supreme time slot. They would be held in DreamHack’s 4,000 seat arena and take place immediately after the first StarCraft II semifinal, with the other semifinal to follow. All the events taking place in the arena on Saturday were aired on DreamHack’s main Twitch.tv stream, as well as on Swedish national television in primetime. This was all planned well in advance of the event taking place.

A diverse schedule such as this would be nothing new to fighting game fans, as we are used to viewing many different games in one day’s tournament stream (though admittedly all games of the same genre). StarCraft fans, on the other hand, are not accustomed to such transitions. The biggest tournaments watched by StarCraft fans are either StarCraft-only competitions, such as BlizzCon’s tournament, or multi-game competitions that provide separate streams for each game, such as MLG. For example, DreamHack’s first two days of competition had three separate streams just showing StarCraft. So when the final day arrived and the first semifinal was followed not by more StarCraft but by Street Fighter, the fans in the stream chat reacted with confusion, shock, and anger.

The following archived Twitch video contains the entirety of the build-up, the grand finals itself, and the presentation of the giant checks from a total prize purse of 50,000 SEK (about $7,200). The actual grand finals begin at 11:20.


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Despite an exciting grand finals–not to mention speedy due to the low staminas of Akuma and Yun–the stream chat was highly volatile, as 30,000 irate StarCraft fans raged over being forced to watch other games. As one of about a thousand twitterers put it:

@terranfromtheyear5000: When you watch the Superbowl, They don’t play have [sic] the MLB World Series at half time do they? I want SC2, that is all.

(That’s not his actual Twitter handle by the way, but it should be.)

The spectacle caused a great outpouring of support for fighting games from the more sensible people in the StarCraft community (“sensible” meaning “always closes the stream chat”). But lest you think the situation was just a case of stream monsters gonna stream monster, it wasn’t just them. Fast-forward to 39:08 in the video to hear the host of DreamHack say the following about the grand finalists:

It’s real impressive seeing those button mashing heroes.

Button. Mashing. Heroes. Ryan Hart and Infiltration. Hmm. Well he may have a point. Ryan Hart is in the Guinness World Record books for many things, and it’s possible one of them is “most buttons mashed in a fortnight”. That’s the only possible explanation I can come up with as to why anybody who knows fighting games would call Ryan Hart and Infiltration “button mashing heroes”. It’s like calling Sandro Botticelli a “finger painting hero”.

It’s nice to know that the host of one of the biggest gaming tournaments in the world can get the job without any prior knowledge about the games that are in said tournament. Buck Laughlin would be proud. But who is this individual hosting such a major event, and what exactly does he know about games? His mistake might be somewhat understandable if he’s just a comedian or an actor brought in by DreamHack to provide some professionalism. Hey, it works for the VGAs…kinda.

But no. According to DreamHack’s website, Tejbz is a “YouTube phenomenon in the gaming world” and a hardcore Call of Duty player specializing in quick scoping. So he is a gamer, just one whose knowledge is mostly restricted to the mad world of Modern Warfare. It certainly would help him cover the Call of Duty tournament, except that DreamHack Winter 2011 didn’t hold one. And I don’t know if Tejbz has attended any CoD tournaments in the past, but if he has, I’m sure nobody congratulated the winners on being amazing “spray n’ pray heroes”. Can you imagine saying something so ridiculous at a major Black Ops tournament in front of thousands of people? It would be hugely embarrassing.

Not that Tejbz knows the meaning of embarrassing, as he is also responsible for this greatness:

Well there’s only one word for that.

#esports

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  • Marcelo Abans

    Glad to see ignorance isn’t just us. Thanks Dreamhack for the support.

  • http://twitter.com/rjpk08 Raleigh Kung

    Lol. 

    That’s really all I have to say to this.

  • http://twitter.com/srslygtfo Mr. X

    Not to be cliche but you mad?

  • http://twitter.com/srslygtfo Mr. X

    Not to be cliche but you mad?

  • Steve Reed

    He also got booed by the crowd during the Quake Live finals. Everyone knows that he is clueless about the scene.

  • Steve Reed

    He also got booed by the crowd during the Quake Live finals. Everyone knows that he is clueless about the scene.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mekhami Lawrence Dean Vanderpool

    Even the starcraft community hates tejbz. r/starcraft was full of get this shit out of here threads.

    And don’t judge a community by its bad apples please.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mekhami Lawrence Dean Vanderpool

    Even the starcraft community hates tejbz. r/starcraft was full of get this shit out of here threads.

    And don’t judge a community by its bad apples please.

  • http://twitter.com/OhVorkosigan Josh Wickersham

    To be fair I can understand why people would be upset with seeing fighting game footage when the majority of viewers are there for Starcraft

    It’s irrelevant though. The two communities really shouldn’t mix in the first place.

  • http://twitter.com/OhVorkosigan Josh Wickersham

    To be fair I can understand why people would be upset with seeing fighting game footage when the majority of viewers are there for Starcraft

    It’s irrelevant though. The two communities really shouldn’t mix in the first place.

  • http://twitter.com/KingofSarus Blake Givens

    EEEEEEEEEEESSPPPOOORRRTTTSSS!!!

  • http://twitter.com/KingofSarus Blake Givens

    EEEEEEEEEEESSPPPOOORRRTTTSSS!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christopher-Rivera/100000634687388 Christopher Rivera

    I agree, i like both but i dont want my korean drama to interrupt my fightan

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christopher-Rivera/100000634687388 Christopher Rivera

    I agree, i like both but i dont want my korean drama to interrupt my fightan

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christopher-Rivera/100000634687388 Christopher Rivera

    I agree, i like both but i dont want my korean drama to interrupt my fightan

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christopher-Rivera/100000634687388 Christopher Rivera

    I agree, i like both but i dont want my korean drama to interrupt my fightan

  • Jose Di Paola

    Shrug off the stupid. Putting the words on the front page won’t do any good, especially when it distracts from a perfectly good match.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Almeson-Hoku-James/100000479628267 Almeson Hoku James

    Korean brood war heroes are gods of button mashing.

    Can’t top that 600+ APM swag.

    Anyways 2 different communities. As distant as it gets.

  • http://twitter.com/poke133 poke

    the same thing happened for the Quake Live finals: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/mq4ma/please_for_the_love_of_god_dont_hate_on_the_quake/

    but you have to understand the stream chat is out of control in every competitive game, all the vocal ignorant stream monsters get to give their absolute worst (while the silent majority just ignores the chat altogether). we know this very well..

    i’ve followed the Dreamhack threads on teamliquid.net and it was a different picture than the stream chat, as in showing support and enjoying the matches for both SSF4 and Quake Live.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Almeson-Hoku-James/100000479628267 Almeson Hoku James

    Exactly this. Teamliquid.net is an amazing site with an awesome community. That community =/= DH stream chat

  • http://twitter.com/brandonall brandonall

    So was he going for a “more shitty” version of Relient K for his sound?

  • http://twitter.com/ShosuroJM JMV

    DEM ESPORTS 

  • http://twitter.com/ShosuroJM JMV

    DEM ESPORTS 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Almeson-Hoku-James/100000479628267 Almeson Hoku James

    Also I bet if the same SC2 Stream monsters were to see a Korean like Poongko dominating on SF4, they’d change their minds. 

    Koreans has an affinity for aggressive play

  • Anonymous

    And that’s what happens when esports and FGs mix together.

  • Anonymous

    And that’s what happens when esports and FGs mix together.

  • http://twitter.com/Thiediev Kristoph

    so you’re complaining about

    stream chatters

    and hosts

    two things we’ve known for years now are invariably horrible

  • http://twitter.com/Thiediev Kristoph

    so you’re complaining about

    stream chatters

    and hosts

    two things we’ve known for years now are invariably horrible

  • Anonymous

    He may just be ignorant to fighting game terminology.

  • Anonymous

    i see worse in american chats all the time when tekken comes on. 

  • Anonymous

    i see worse in american chats all the time when tekken comes on. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/birdinfish Alex Featheringill

    I mean the FG community does the same thing to other games (smash bros anyone) so I don’t really see how this is newsworthy.

    This article as a whole is just childish. Who cares if a starcraft player is talking bad about street fighter? Does it really matter?

    This should be removed asap.

  • http://www.facebook.com/birdinfish Alex Featheringill

    I mean the FG community does the same thing to other games (smash bros anyone) so I don’t really see how this is newsworthy.

    This article as a whole is just childish. Who cares if a starcraft player is talking bad about street fighter? Does it really matter?

    This should be removed asap.

  • http://twitter.com/srslygtfo Mr. X

    We complain about our own stream monsters and clueless commentators

  • http://twitter.com/srslygtfo Mr. X

    We complain about our own stream monsters and clueless commentators

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Almeson-Hoku-James/100000479628267 Almeson Hoku James

    I agree.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Almeson-Hoku-James/100000479628267 Almeson Hoku James

    I agree.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Almeson-Hoku-James/100000479628267 Almeson Hoku James

    I agree.

  • http://twitter.com/Mightfo Mightfo

    I heard there was booing at the actual event, which is more concerning than some streammonsters, but whatever. 

  • http://twitter.com/Mightfo Mightfo

    I heard there was booing at the actual event, which is more concerning than some streammonsters, but whatever. 

  • http://chicobo329.livejournal.com/ Chicobo329

    I also agree. Knowing friends in both sides of this community, an article like this does no good really.

    Tolerance is the best solution for this. Both FG and SC are, if you wanna put it this way, eSports, and they should respect each other.

  • http://chicobo329.livejournal.com/ Chicobo329

    I also agree. Knowing friends in both sides of this community, an article like this does no good really.

    Tolerance is the best solution for this. Both FG and SC are, if you wanna put it this way, eSports, and they should respect each other.

  • http://www.facebook.com/birdinfish Alex Featheringill

    not to mention, we should be trying to foster growth and friendship between the 2 communities, not push them apart. competitive video games becoming big is a + for all of us, so why would we want to put biased articles like this on the front page for everyone to read? It’s so backwards, I’m pretty disappointed…

  • Anonymous

    Infiltration is Korean.

  • Anonymous

    Infiltration is Korean.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Almeson-Hoku-James/100000479628267 Almeson Hoku James

    Was talking about extreme aggressive play just like Poongko that Koreans in Starcraft are known for.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Almeson-Hoku-James/100000479628267 Almeson Hoku James

    Was talking about extreme aggressive play just like Poongko that Koreans in Starcraft are known for.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Almeson-Hoku-James/100000479628267 Almeson Hoku James

    Was talking about extreme aggressive play just like Poongko that Koreans in Starcraft are known for.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Almeson-Hoku-James/100000479628267 Almeson Hoku James

    Was talking about extreme aggressive play just like Poongko that Koreans in Starcraft are known for.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Almeson-Hoku-James/100000479628267 Almeson Hoku James

    Was talking about extreme aggressive play just like Poongko that Koreans in Starcraft are known for.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Almeson-Hoku-James/100000479628267 Almeson Hoku James

    Was talking about extreme aggressive play just like Poongko that Koreans in Starcraft are known for.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Almeson-Hoku-James/100000479628267 Almeson Hoku James

    Was talking about extreme aggressive play just like Poongko that Koreans in Starcraft are known for.

  • Anonymous

    wow this guy is the like worst host of anything ever.

  • http://reboundpants.com Carlos A. Mercado

    Please don’t lump E-Sports into this as well. If it’s plain to see that SC stream monster trolls and sad, misinformed hosts are the reason AE looked like it got a bad rap, don’t assume that that is the modus operandi of the greater esports community. Tons of people from many different communities like both SC and FGs, and for the record, Tasteless is an avid player, as evidenced by him playing at the MadCatz booth during downtime.

  • http://twitter.com/ChrisVazquez0 Chris Vazquez

    They had to explain what a double-elimination tournament is? Man, that’s kind of embarrassing…

  • http://twitter.com/Graphf Thane W

    I think it’s hella sick that Curly called that stupid mother fucker out.

  • http://twitter.com/Graphf Thane W

    I think it’s hella sick that Curly called that stupid mother fucker out.

  • http://twitter.com/Graphf Thane W

    I think it’s hella sick that Curly called that stupid mother fucker out.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Keiran-Brown/538110876 Keiran Brown

    Don’t lump all StarCraft fans in this. It’s all them SC2 babies, BW bros wouldn’t mind.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kalvin-Krigbaum/569795472 Kalvin Krigbaum

    While I don’t particularly play RTS games heavily (dabble in some CnC from time to time), I would have no problems if I was watching a major FG tournament on stream and they decided to air the grand finals of a star craft (or any game) tournament on stream. I enjoy watching high level play for any game, even if I don’t really know whats going on in the game. I like to watch it and think “so that’s what gdlk in their community looks like…”

    I’m all for fostering respect among all the esport communities, and I would be interested in seeing more tournaments spanning multiple genres. Mabe it could end up leading to a sort of worldwide esport olympics or something. That would be a sight. Huge international competition of the highest level across a spectrum of videogame genres…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kalvin-Krigbaum/569795472 Kalvin Krigbaum

    While I don’t particularly play RTS games heavily (dabble in some CnC from time to time), I would have no problems if I was watching a major FG tournament on stream and they decided to air the grand finals of a star craft (or any game) tournament on stream. I enjoy watching high level play for any game, even if I don’t really know whats going on in the game. I like to watch it and think “so that’s what gdlk in their community looks like…”

    I’m all for fostering respect among all the esport communities, and I would be interested in seeing more tournaments spanning multiple genres. Mabe it could end up leading to a sort of worldwide esport olympics or something. That would be a sight. Huge international competition of the highest level across a spectrum of videogame genres…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kalvin-Krigbaum/569795472 Kalvin Krigbaum

    While I don’t particularly play RTS games heavily (dabble in some CnC from time to time), I would have no problems if I was watching a major FG tournament on stream and they decided to air the grand finals of a star craft (or any game) tournament on stream. I enjoy watching high level play for any game, even if I don’t really know whats going on in the game. I like to watch it and think “so that’s what gdlk in their community looks like…”

    I’m all for fostering respect among all the esport communities, and I would be interested in seeing more tournaments spanning multiple genres. Mabe it could end up leading to a sort of worldwide esport olympics or something. That would be a sight. Huge international competition of the highest level across a spectrum of videogame genres…

  • http://twitter.com/VirginiaRaven Patrick Buckingham

    Can we stop with the editorials on the front page?

  • http://twitter.com/VirginiaRaven Patrick Buckingham

    Can we stop with the editorials on the front page?

  • Fat Tony

    I play Starcraft 2, and I also play fighting games. One thing I think you all need to remember, is that it’s not just that some starcraft/rts fans think fighting games are button mashers, it’s that a lot of people who have no interest in fighters, and have never played them, see fighters as button mashers.

    A lot of people, in a lot of genres and fandoms, seem to be under the impression that fighters are just a contest to see who can furiously mash out the most number of attacks and kill the opponent with sheer aggression. They don’t seem to understand the concept of BLOCKING which mitigates this, and the concept of REFLEXES which allows you to block difficult attack strings. I don’t think one should call out starcraft fans in particular, I think one should just spread the word that fighters are built on a trinity of reflexes, execution, and strategy. And that you can’t win fighters with mashing any more then you can win at Contra or Gradius blind folded.

  • Fat Tony

    I play Starcraft 2, and I also play fighting games. One thing I think you all need to remember, is that it’s not just that some starcraft/rts fans think fighting games are button mashers, it’s that a lot of people who have no interest in fighters, and have never played them, see fighters as button mashers.

    A lot of people, in a lot of genres and fandoms, seem to be under the impression that fighters are just a contest to see who can furiously mash out the most number of attacks and kill the opponent with sheer aggression. They don’t seem to understand the concept of BLOCKING which mitigates this, and the concept of REFLEXES which allows you to block difficult attack strings. I don’t think one should call out starcraft fans in particular, I think one should just spread the word that fighters are built on a trinity of reflexes, execution, and strategy. And that you can’t win fighters with mashing any more then you can win at Contra or Gradius blind folded.

  • Fat Tony

    I play Starcraft 2, and I also play fighting games. One thing I think you all need to remember, is that it’s not just that some starcraft/rts fans think fighting games are button mashers, it’s that a lot of people who have no interest in fighters, and have never played them, see fighters as button mashers.

    A lot of people, in a lot of genres and fandoms, seem to be under the impression that fighters are just a contest to see who can furiously mash out the most number of attacks and kill the opponent with sheer aggression. They don’t seem to understand the concept of BLOCKING which mitigates this, and the concept of REFLEXES which allows you to block difficult attack strings. I don’t think one should call out starcraft fans in particular, I think one should just spread the word that fighters are built on a trinity of reflexes, execution, and strategy. And that you can’t win fighters with mashing any more then you can win at Contra or Gradius blind folded.

  • Fat Tony

    I play Starcraft 2, and I also play fighting games. One thing I think you all need to remember, is that it’s not just that some starcraft/rts fans think fighting games are button mashers, it’s that a lot of people who have no interest in fighters, and have never played them, see fighters as button mashers.

    A lot of people, in a lot of genres and fandoms, seem to be under the impression that fighters are just a contest to see who can furiously mash out the most number of attacks and kill the opponent with sheer aggression. They don’t seem to understand the concept of BLOCKING which mitigates this, and the concept of REFLEXES which allows you to block difficult attack strings. I don’t think one should call out starcraft fans in particular, I think one should just spread the word that fighters are built on a trinity of reflexes, execution, and strategy. And that you can’t win fighters with mashing any more then you can win at Contra or Gradius blind folded.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, I just hate the way that the editorials hijack my browser so I’m forced to click on them, and then mind control me into reading them. Truly awful.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, I just hate the way that the editorials hijack my browser so I’m forced to click on them, and then mind control me into reading them. Truly awful.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, I just hate the way that the editorials hijack my browser so I’m forced to click on them, and then mind control me into reading them. Truly awful.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, I just hate the way that the editorials hijack my browser so I’m forced to click on them, and then mind control me into reading them. Truly awful.

  • http://twitter.com/Dectilon Peter Burman

    People who don’t play fighting games think all you need to do is mash as fast as you can. People who don’t play starcraft 2 think all you need to do is click as fast as you can. 

  • Anonymous

    I don’t why the author of this is so butthurt.Because of the host?Well,it’s not like Tejb knew about any of the ofther games and said button mashing heroes,but seriously,who cares?
    And being upset about the things said in stream chat is seriously the stupidest thing I’ve ssen.First of all,look at a Beat-em-Up-Only Tournament.Once something else than SF4 or umvc3 is on,people complain constantly and I haven’t seen a article about that on the front page.Second,if I was watching Dreamhack for Starcraft only,I would have been upset too,because they showed a pretty hype semi final and then went to another game,not the second semin final in starcraft 2,but this is clearly fault of the organizer.So please stop being butthurt about things that are not interessting at all.

  • http://www.facebook.com/alexnhfh Alex Davies

    Yes, please post more funny and cool moments and combo videos from 10 year old games. Stop trying to provoke my thoughts SRK, wtf are you doing, im almost considering participating in a discussion. for shame.

  • http://www.facebook.com/alexnhfh Alex Davies

    Yes, please post more funny and cool moments and combo videos from 10 year old games. Stop trying to provoke my thoughts SRK, wtf are you doing, im almost considering participating in a discussion. for shame.

  • http://www.facebook.com/alexnhfh Alex Davies

    Yes, please post more funny and cool moments and combo videos from 10 year old games. Stop trying to provoke my thoughts SRK, wtf are you doing, im almost considering participating in a discussion. for shame.

  • http://www.facebook.com/alexnhfh Alex Davies

    Yes, please post more funny and cool moments and combo videos from 10 year old games. Stop trying to provoke my thoughts SRK, wtf are you doing, im almost considering participating in a discussion. for shame.

  • http://www.facebook.com/alexnhfh Alex Davies

    Yes, please post more funny and cool moments and combo videos from 10 year old games. Stop trying to provoke my thoughts SRK, wtf are you doing, im almost considering participating in a discussion. for shame.

  • http://twitter.com/TBM24x Chris B

    I didn’t think these editorials were going to get worse. Thanks for proving me wrong. By far the most pointless one of the bunch because it’s not even remotely relevant to the fgc what is said in a streamchat from a different community in a different game. If you really want to go there and judge a community based on streamchat, what does that say about ours which is by far the worst of the bunch easily? 

  • http://twitter.com/Azuroz Johan Larsson

    I was there live, not being plagued by the stream chat or anything, and i can safely say that the live audience were very hospitable towards street fighter, infiltration got as many cheers as for the sc2 semi-finals just beforehand. Sometimes you just have to realize that the stream chats are always the worst representation of the community.
    also that host was completely ignorant towards sc2 and quake live aswell, asking the most awkward and out of place questions i’ve ever heard.

  • http://twitter.com/Niyari67 Julian

    People that complain about free stuff in any way continue to make my mind boggle.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Persson/547903738 Daniel Persson

    Well, Dreamhack is always a bit like this. Fighting games have never been a big part of DH, and it shows in both ways. It’s not the best event to showcase the FGC for people outside of it, and it’s not the best event for actual fighting game players either. The entrants are pretty much:

    A few top players
    A few of Swedens top players
    and a couple of swedish casual players.
    Fighting games are just not that big in Sweden compared to most other games.

    Some people who watched the SF4 stream during group play seemed to expect the same level of players from an actual FG major, which is not going to happen unless more top players actually come to DH.

    Some other points for the main event/Grand Finals:
    It was not shown on our national TV.
    2 streams, one in english for international viewers and one in swedish.
    The swedish one was done by Rematch (a show by SVT, our national TV), which is a show that you view online via SVT Play, their online service. So it actually didn’t air on TV, but online and with swedish commentators. 

    I can also understand if some people get a bad image of the SF4 finals when they are casted by 2 players, compared to casters like Tastosis, Day9 and 2GD that casted SC2 and QL on the international stream and have been doing their thing for a long time.

    And I have no idea why Tejbz was there. So annoying…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Persson/547903738 Daniel Persson

    Well, Dreamhack is always a bit like this. Fighting games have never been a big part of DH, and it shows in both ways. It’s not the best event to showcase the FGC for people outside of it, and it’s not the best event for actual fighting game players either. The entrants are pretty much:

    A few top players
    A few of Swedens top players
    and a couple of swedish casual players.
    Fighting games are just not that big in Sweden compared to most other games.

    Some people who watched the SF4 stream during group play seemed to expect the same level of players from an actual FG major, which is not going to happen unless more top players actually come to DH.

    Some other points for the main event/Grand Finals:
    It was not shown on our national TV.
    2 streams, one in english for international viewers and one in swedish.
    The swedish one was done by Rematch (a show by SVT, our national TV), which is a show that you view online via SVT Play, their online service. So it actually didn’t air on TV, but online and with swedish commentators. 

    I can also understand if some people get a bad image of the SF4 finals when they are casted by 2 players, compared to casters like Tastosis, Day9 and 2GD that casted SC2 and QL on the international stream and have been doing their thing for a long time.

    And I have no idea why Tejbz was there. So annoying…

  • Anonymous

    …and Fighting Game stream monsters are any better?

    I think the crowd there (mainly starcraft 2 fans waiting for the
    finals) was quite great! They cheered, they did not boo…great attitude
    overall! I was actually quite impressed how nice the Starcraft fans were.
    Nothing to complain about! 

    PS: Don’t even start comlaining about Tejb. He got called out so many times (on stage)!

  • Anonymous

    …and Fighting Game stream monsters are any better?

    I think the crowd there (mainly starcraft 2 fans waiting for the
    finals) was quite great! They cheered, they did not boo…great attitude
    overall! I was actually quite impressed how nice the Starcraft fans were.
    Nothing to complain about! 

    PS: Don’t even start comlaining about Tejb. He got called out so many times (on stage)!

  • http://twitter.com/Rob_Paige chillin91

    Stream monster nonsense or not, we have to keep the bigger picture in mind and that’s the future of the community.  The more we each can support competitive play cross genre the more it will help take these events to a level where it helps gaming as a whole.  I don’t know anything about RTS or FPS games at all, and I’m not ultra excited about them competitively to be honest.  That doesn’t affect their validity as a competitive event though.

    However in order to get to the point where people outside of our community can at least be respectfully disinterested in what we do as I am about poker on ESPN, we’re going to have to be able to stand together in order to portray a respectful competitive community.  I don’t even like to watch mainstream sports like basketball and football on a regular basis, but I definitely understand and respect a person’s interest in seeing high level competition in whatever it is that is interesting to them.

     I look forward to the XGames and enjoy watching whenever I can catch an event.  I don’t know any big names outside of what I learned from playing Tony Hawk (old) back in the day.  And I’ll probably never be able to competitively do any of that stuff, but I do enjoy the scene overall.  Maybe one day people will feel like that about the games we enjoy.

  • http://twitter.com/Rob_Paige chillin91

    Stream monster nonsense or not, we have to keep the bigger picture in mind and that’s the future of the community.  The more we each can support competitive play cross genre the more it will help take these events to a level where it helps gaming as a whole.  I don’t know anything about RTS or FPS games at all, and I’m not ultra excited about them competitively to be honest.  That doesn’t affect their validity as a competitive event though.

    However in order to get to the point where people outside of our community can at least be respectfully disinterested in what we do as I am about poker on ESPN, we’re going to have to be able to stand together in order to portray a respectful competitive community.  I don’t even like to watch mainstream sports like basketball and football on a regular basis, but I definitely understand and respect a person’s interest in seeing high level competition in whatever it is that is interesting to them.

     I look forward to the XGames and enjoy watching whenever I can catch an event.  I don’t know any big names outside of what I learned from playing Tony Hawk (old) back in the day.  And I’ll probably never be able to competitively do any of that stuff, but I do enjoy the scene overall.  Maybe one day people will feel like that about the games we enjoy.

  • Anonymous

    I say we let our haters be our motivaters.

    Except for Wesker.

    Screw him.

  • Anonymous

    I say we let our haters be our motivaters.

    Except for Wesker.

    Screw him.

  • Anonymous

    I say we let our haters be our motivaters.

    Except for Wesker.

    Screw him.

  • Anonymous

    I say we let our haters be our motivaters.

    Except for Wesker.

    Screw him.

  • Anonymous

    Then maybe we should start in our community,because what you see in streams towards games like Tekken,Smash Bros or Mortal Kombat is way worse.If our community is split between fans of different games,maybe we should start there instead of complaining about a crowd that was acutally pretty receptive towards the SF4 Finals

  • http://twitter.com/Zenmetsu89 Saba

    “Don’t lump all StarCraft fans in this”
    And then you turn around and lump all “SC2 babies” together.

  • http://twitter.com/Zenmetsu89 Saba

    “Don’t lump all StarCraft fans in this”
    And then you turn around and lump all “SC2 babies” together.

  • http://twitter.com/Zenmetsu89 Saba

    “The two communities really shouldn’t mix in the first place”
    Why is that? On the contrary, I think it would be good for both communities if more events like these existed. It would lower the level of ignorance and bigotism that affects some readers of this site.

  • http://twitter.com/Zenmetsu89 Saba

    “The two communities really shouldn’t mix in the first place”
    Why is that? On the contrary, I think it would be good for both communities if more events like these existed. It would lower the level of ignorance and bigotism that affects some readers of this site.

  • Anonymous

    I clicked this post because of Hyperbole and a Half.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Wes-Barron/1579837314 Wes Barron

    What happened here?  Well, you said it yourself in the article: “stream monsters gonna stream monster.”

    IMO this is no different from the scrubs that were on the EVO stream talking shit about the games they don’t play when they’re on instead of whatever game they came to see.  This is even though it’s incredibly likely those same people talking shit about other games either 1) don’t play them and are just trolling their fanbases, 2) play them but get bodied on a regular enough basis to make their butthurt overflow into the stream, or 3) don’t play fighting games seriously enough to know what they’re talking about (assuming they even play them at all).

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=726480805 Mike Henry

    Do you have any idea how enraged the FGC would be if they stopped Top 8 of Marvel at Season’s Beating halfway through to play some starcraft matches?  I couldn’t care less about SC2 but come on.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Persson/547903738 Daniel Persson

    Playing RTS during a FG major =/= playing SF4 during a multi-game/genre LAN. SC2 is just the biggest game and naturally got the most followers, but DH is hardly a SC2/RTS only event, so I wouldn’t really compare it like that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Persson/547903738 Daniel Persson

    Playing RTS during a FG major =/= playing SF4 during a multi-game/genre LAN. SC2 is just the biggest game and naturally got the most followers, but DH is hardly a SC2/RTS only event, so I wouldn’t really compare it like that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Persson/547903738 Daniel Persson

    Playing RTS during a FG major =/= playing SF4 during a multi-game/genre LAN. SC2 is just the biggest game and naturally got the most followers, but DH is hardly a SC2/RTS only event, so I wouldn’t really compare it like that.

  • http://twitter.com/novriltataki Fighting Game News

    About DreamHack and what other non-FG players say and think:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4VbOHvaPRc

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002137212435 Ashley Swank

    This article makes it seem like starcraft communities aren’t allowed to give FGC the verbal smack down.  This community does it to other communities first off, and secondly it is not our fault these tournament hosts did what they did.  But on the other hand you can’t just sit there and say, “WELL YOUR NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE FUN OF ‘MY’ FGC BUB.”  Learn to take some heat for a change.  We play different competitive games for our own reasons.  It should be within the tournaments hosts logic to keep them separated to avoid grinding up unnecessary tension.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002137212435 Ashley Swank

    This article makes it seem like starcraft communities aren’t allowed to give FGC the verbal smack down.  This community does it to other communities first off, and secondly it is not our fault these tournament hosts did what they did.  But on the other hand you can’t just sit there and say, “WELL YOUR NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE FUN OF ‘MY’ FGC BUB.”  Learn to take some heat for a change.  We play different competitive games for our own reasons.  It should be within the tournaments hosts logic to keep them separated to avoid grinding up unnecessary tension.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002137212435 Ashley Swank

    This article makes it seem like starcraft communities aren’t allowed to give FGC the verbal smack down.  This community does it to other communities first off, and secondly it is not our fault these tournament hosts did what they did.  But on the other hand you can’t just sit there and say, “WELL YOUR NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE FUN OF ‘MY’ FGC BUB.”  Learn to take some heat for a change.  We play different competitive games for our own reasons.  It should be within the tournaments hosts logic to keep them separated to avoid grinding up unnecessary tension.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002137212435 Ashley Swank

    This article makes it seem like starcraft communities aren’t allowed to give FGC the verbal smack down.  This community does it to other communities first off, and secondly it is not our fault these tournament hosts did what they did.  But on the other hand you can’t just sit there and say, “WELL YOUR NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE FUN OF ‘MY’ FGC BUB.”  Learn to take some heat for a change.  We play different competitive games for our own reasons.  It should be within the tournaments hosts logic to keep them separated to avoid grinding up unnecessary tension.

  • http://twitter.com/madcarpet madcarpet

     tejbz was an awful host just as bad for the sc2 stuff

  • http://twitter.com/MiGaOh Michael G. O’Hair

    “Learn to take some heat for a change”

    It’s 2011, and no one knows how to do that.
    Welcome to the 21st Century, Fighting Games.

  • http://twitter.com/OhVorkosigan Josh Wickersham

    Because they are two completely different games, it’s like asking football and basketball fans to get along

    Also why do you pin the blame of ignorance on fighting game fans? If I recall it’s Starcraft fans that called us button mashers and generally disrespect us, while a lot of FG fans play Starcraft and appreciate it.

  • elsalvadorps

    These editorials are thought provoking?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Willie-OnWheels/100000567667017 Willie OnWheels

    Adam Sessler was still worse than this.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Willie-OnWheels/100000567667017 Willie OnWheels

    Adam Sessler was still worse than this.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Willie-OnWheels/100000567667017 Willie OnWheels

    Adam Sessler was still worse than this.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Willie-OnWheels/100000567667017 Willie OnWheels

    Adam Sessler was still worse than this.

  • http://www.facebook.com/spongejordan123 Jordan Bartel

    You might think your question is rhetorical, but some people are dumb enough to consider this news.

    This isn’t news, people. IMO, this is just the authors way of being a crybaby when another community talks shit about his. This is absolutely nothing new. I mean, look at the way Soccer is treated in the United States. The way Smash is treated here.

    Please get this guy off the front page -__-

  • http://www.facebook.com/spongejordan123 Jordan Bartel

    You might think your question is rhetorical, but some people are dumb enough to consider this news.

    This isn’t news, people. IMO, this is just the authors way of being a crybaby when another community talks shit about his. This is absolutely nothing new. I mean, look at the way Soccer is treated in the United States. The way Smash is treated here.

    Please get this guy off the front page -__-

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5FLRQI2X2LU3IHMCG7HEAEFD5I Cat Astrophy

    Angry Birds competition really? Explains why HoN is there instead of the infinitely more popular LoL

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5FLRQI2X2LU3IHMCG7HEAEFD5I Cat Astrophy

    Angry Birds competition really? Explains why HoN is there instead of the infinitely more popular LoL

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5FLRQI2X2LU3IHMCG7HEAEFD5I Cat Astrophy

    Angry Birds competition really? Explains why HoN is there instead of the infinitely more popular LoL

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000255387772 Shin Blanka

    I wasn’t offended as much as others were, but w/e.  I think afi and f-word did a good job and the match was great.  It’s hard to believe this is the 1st major event infiltration has won before.  Kudo’s to him and Ryan Hart for the great GF match up!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000255387772 Shin Blanka

    I wasn’t offended as much as others were, but w/e.  I think afi and f-word did a good job and the match was great.  It’s hard to believe this is the 1st major event infiltration has won before.  Kudo’s to him and Ryan Hart for the great GF match up!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000255387772 Shin Blanka

    I wasn’t offended as much as others were, but w/e.  I think afi and f-word did a good job and the match was great.  It’s hard to believe this is the 1st major event infiltration has won before.  Kudo’s to him and Ryan Hart for the great GF match up!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Patrick/1092432275 Andrew Patrick

    Or when MK9 is up.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Patrick/1092432275 Andrew Patrick

    Or when MK9 is up.

  • Anonymous

    after ten seconds of that vid i blacked out, woke up again in my neighbour’s kitchen with a meatcleaver in hand and guts everywhere….is this normal ?

  • http://twitter.com/chiwawa__ Chiwawa

    It’s a vocal minority.

    Tejbz (the host) was disrespectful towards everyone during the event. Didn’t matter what game it was and most communities have complained about him. I don’t know why he was picked but I would guess it has to do with him being Sweden’s biggest gaming personality internationally. To cut him some slack he seemed quite nervous and knowing he was live in front of 100k people without the ability to just do a retake. He simply was to childish/teenager-ish to host an event properly.

  • RenaTurnip

    Shoutouts to spray ‘n pray :c

  • RenaTurnip

    Shoutouts to spray ‘n pray :c

  • Anonymous

    Angry Birds aside, Hon was probably played because its pretty widely accepted as the more competitive game, and this is evident by the larger number of legit pro teams playing it. Popularity isn’t everything.

  • d_generate_x

    The other way around is also true. You should know that tasteless, artosis and Day9 are avid street fighter enthusiasts. There was also a thread in r/starcraft with over 200 ppl commentating their support for the street fighter finals. It’s a 2 way street.

  • d_generate_x

    The other way around is also true. You should know that tasteless, artosis and Day9 are avid street fighter enthusiasts. There was also a thread in r/starcraft with over 200 ppl commentating their support for the street fighter finals. It’s a 2 way street.

  • http://www.facebook.com/acourtney Alexander Albuki Courtney

    it seems that he can only talk out of one side of his mouth, he should go get that looked at by a doctor or something

    also lol @ fps on console

  • http://www.facebook.com/acourtney Alexander Albuki Courtney

    it seems that he can only talk out of one side of his mouth, he should go get that looked at by a doctor or something

    also lol @ fps on console

  • http://www.facebook.com/grahamwolfe0 Graham Wolfe

    yeah he is like a less popular, more annoying version of owen wilson

  • http://www.facebook.com/grahamwolfe0 Graham Wolfe

    yeah he is like a less popular, more annoying version of owen wilson

  • http://www.facebook.com/grahamwolfe0 Graham Wolfe

    yeah he is like a less popular, more annoying version of owen wilson

  • http://www.facebook.com/grahamwolfe0 Graham Wolfe

    yeah he is like a less popular, more annoying version of owen wilson

  • http://www.facebook.com/grahamwolfe0 Graham Wolfe

    yeah he is like a less popular, more annoying version of owen wilson

  • http://twitter.com/BlackNoob Brandon L. Clayton

    Shut your filthy whore mouth, Adam Sessler was GDLK.

  • http://twitter.com/BlackNoob Brandon L. Clayton

    Shut your filthy whore mouth, Adam Sessler was GDLK.

  • http://twitter.com/BlackNoob Brandon L. Clayton

    Shut your filthy whore mouth, Adam Sessler was GDLK.

  • http://twitter.com/BlackNoob Brandon L. Clayton

    Shut your filthy whore mouth, Adam Sessler was GDLK.

  • http://twitter.com/BlackNoob Brandon L. Clayton

    Shut your filthy whore mouth, Adam Sessler was GDLK.

  • Anonymous

    Except he actually likes Fighting Games and gives the players respect. Troll harder next time

  • Anonymous

    Except he actually likes Fighting Games and gives the players respect. Troll harder next time

  • Anonymous

    SRK needs to step its game up and get more mature.  I know there’s pressure to put something up on the front page, but some discretion should be used.  Interesting links accompanied by a little blurb are great as interstitial articles, but when you put something up with actual content, you should make it count!   
    Successful blog-type websites ask themselves several questions before posting: Is it an interesting subject?  Is it controversial?  Is it well-written?  Does it have a point?
    This article isn’t terrible, but it smacks of childish posturing.  ”Can you believe the stream chat users said this about OUR community?”–that’s all this post had to offer.
    The message of the last post I read, about “the vocal minority,” could be condensed to the following statement: “stop whining!”  Wow.  That’s deep.

  • Anonymous

    SRK needs to step its game up and get more mature.  I know there’s pressure to put something up on the front page, but some discretion should be used.  Interesting links accompanied by a little blurb are great as interstitial articles, but when you put something up with actual content, you should make it count!   
    Successful blog-type websites ask themselves several questions before posting: Is it an interesting subject?  Is it controversial?  Is it well-written?  Does it have a point?
    This article isn’t terrible, but it smacks of childish posturing.  ”Can you believe the stream chat users said this about OUR community?”–that’s all this post had to offer.
    The message of the last post I read, about “the vocal minority,” could be condensed to the following statement: “stop whining!”  Wow.  That’s deep.

  • Anonymous

    SRK needs to step its game up and get more mature.  I know there’s pressure to put something up on the front page, but some discretion should be used.  Interesting links accompanied by a little blurb are great as interstitial articles, but when you put something up with actual content, you should make it count!   
    Successful blog-type websites ask themselves several questions before posting: Is it an interesting subject?  Is it controversial?  Is it well-written?  Does it have a point?
    This article isn’t terrible, but it smacks of childish posturing.  ”Can you believe the stream chat users said this about OUR community?”–that’s all this post had to offer.
    The message of the last post I read, about “the vocal minority,” could be condensed to the following statement: “stop whining!”  Wow.  That’s deep.

  • Anonymous

    SRK needs to step its game up and get more mature.  I know there’s pressure to put something up on the front page, but some discretion should be used.  Interesting links accompanied by a little blurb are great as interstitial articles, but when you put something up with actual content, you should make it count!   
    Successful blog-type websites ask themselves several questions before posting: Is it an interesting subject?  Is it controversial?  Is it well-written?  Does it have a point?
    This article isn’t terrible, but it smacks of childish posturing.  ”Can you believe the stream chat users said this about OUR community?”–that’s all this post had to offer.
    The message of the last post I read, about “the vocal minority,” could be condensed to the following statement: “stop whining!”  Wow.  That’s deep.

  • Anonymous

    SRK needs to step its game up and get more mature.  I know there’s pressure to put something up on the front page, but some discretion should be used.  Interesting links accompanied by a little blurb are great as interstitial articles, but when you put something up with actual content, you should make it count!   
    Successful blog-type websites ask themselves several questions before posting: Is it an interesting subject?  Is it controversial?  Is it well-written?  Does it have a point?
    This article isn’t terrible, but it smacks of childish posturing.  ”Can you believe the stream chat users said this about OUR community?”–that’s all this post had to offer.
    The message of the last post I read, about “the vocal minority,” could be condensed to the following statement: “stop whining!”  Wow.  That’s deep.

  • Anonymous

    SRK needs to step its game up and get more mature.  I know there’s pressure to put something up on the front page, but some discretion should be used.  Interesting links accompanied by a little blurb are great as interstitial articles, but when you put something up with actual content, you should make it count!   
    Successful blog-type websites ask themselves several questions before posting: Is it an interesting subject?  Is it controversial?  Is it well-written?  Does it have a point?
    This article isn’t terrible, but it smacks of childish posturing.  ”Can you believe the stream chat users said this about OUR community?”–that’s all this post had to offer.
    The message of the last post I read, about “the vocal minority,” could be condensed to the following statement: “stop whining!”  Wow.  That’s deep.

  • http://twitter.com/TwitHatman TwitHatman

    Or when anything is up.

  • http://twitter.com/TwitHatman TwitHatman

    Or when anything is up.

  • http://twitter.com/TwitHatman TwitHatman

    Or when anything is up.

  • http://twitter.com/TwitHatman TwitHatman

    Or when anything is up.

  • http://twitter.com/tomasherman Tomáš Heřman

    Yey, i missed SF4 finals…thankfully, someone on TL posted link to this article that contains VOD of finals. It all worked out great :)

  • Anonymous

    well, he does play CoD.

  • Anonymous

    well, he does play CoD.

  • Anonymous

    well, he does play CoD.

  • Anonymous

    well, he does play CoD.

  • Anonymous

    not that I don’t agree with what you’re saying, but considering that a large part of Contra and Gradius involve memorization…

    CHALLENGE ACCEPTED.

  • http://www.jamisontrumpets.com/2011/11/dreamhack-srk-and-why-peoples-opinions-are-stupid/ Jamison Trumpets » Dreamhack, SRK, and Why People’s Opinions Are Stupid

    [...] makes any fucking sense. Which brings me to the point of my article. Recently on SRK, there was a post concerning DreamHack, a huge competitive gaming exposition. Since SRK is a fighting game website [...]

  • http://twitter.com/GoldenboyFTW Alex GB Mendez

    Not only is that an insult to the FGC but it’s also an insult to the competitive Call of Duty community as well! What a damn shame!

    Don’t hire a youtuber to do a shoutcasters job…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q5JUJO4E36GYHZFWX4BL72OT6I P S

    I’ve almost stopped coming to the main page completely and usually just check Eventhubs for new videos and stuff. This site’s main page news has taken a huge drop in quality (and maturity) in the last few months.

  • Anonymous

    Iunno, rather than look at this situation with distaste, I say we look at it as a signal that this community needs to get known. We gotta educate people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1268783559 Dat Dogge

    BW fans are the OGs, all the sc2 kids don’t know real high level rts play

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1268783559 Dat Dogge

    BW fans are the OGs, all the sc2 kids don’t know real high level rts play

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1268783559 Dat Dogge

    BW fans are the OGs, all the sc2 kids don’t know real high level rts play

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1268783559 Dat Dogge

    BW fans are the OGs, all the sc2 kids don’t know real high level rts play

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1268783559 Dat Dogge

    BW fans are the OGs, all the sc2 kids don’t know real high level rts play

  • Anonymous

    i was surprised at how much blatant racism there was in the dreamhack stream chat compared to fgs, at least during quakelive.  then again i guess there aren’t many people of color in PC fps’s…

  • Anonymous

    i was surprised at how much blatant racism there was in the dreamhack stream chat compared to fgs, at least during quakelive.  then again i guess there aren’t many people of color in PC fps’s…

  • Anonymous

    i was surprised at how much blatant racism there was in the dreamhack stream chat compared to fgs, at least during quakelive.  then again i guess there aren’t many people of color in PC fps’s…

  • Anonymous

    i was surprised at how much blatant racism there was in the dreamhack stream chat compared to fgs, at least during quakelive.  then again i guess there aren’t many people of color in PC fps’s…

  • http://twitter.com/lordteejay TJ

    Day 9 is pumped off of yipes. At least we got a good time slot.

  • http://lxj.endofinternet.net LXj

    Yeah, please don’t associate the host with SC2 comunity, there were angry threads about him on reddit/r/starcraft as well

  • Anonymous

    LOL what a dumb analogy. Ask football and basketball fans get along? Uh, they do get along. I challenge you to find multiple people who like to watch basketball but ardently hate football just because it isn’t basketball. Most sports fans tune in to Football in the fall and Basketball in the winter.

    SF haters are just immature man-children who feel the need to spam chat and twitter with their hate. Most of the mature people either don’t mind or are mature enough not to spam chat or twitter. Never take the opinion of the immature crowd, because they will probably never pay for an event, probably get bored of the scene in less than a year, and show minimal support other than spamming twitter and chat.

  • Anonymous

    LOL what a dumb analogy. Ask football and basketball fans get along? Uh, they do get along. I challenge you to find multiple people who like to watch basketball but ardently hate football just because it isn’t basketball. Most sports fans tune in to Football in the fall and Basketball in the winter.

    SF haters are just immature man-children who feel the need to spam chat and twitter with their hate. Most of the mature people either don’t mind or are mature enough not to spam chat or twitter. Never take the opinion of the immature crowd, because they will probably never pay for an event, probably get bored of the scene in less than a year, and show minimal support other than spamming twitter and chat.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rokninja Jelani Akin Parham

    Also agreed, and good point (in regards to how Smash is treated in the FGC).

    The article feels unnecessary.  At least the way it reads, it feels like it’s just taking unnecessary shots back at the SC2 community, and makes the FGC look petty.

  • http://twitter.com/gootecks gootecks

    Agreed, Dreamhack is a great event but SF4 has never been a big part of it, regardless of the decent prize pot.  The costs of going are significant and it’s REALLY far from North America and even from Stockholm (you have to take a 3 hr train to get there from the airport).  

    Ultimately, DH isn’t really going to be that important to the FGC until they start reaching out to us.  Correct me if I’m wrong, but there were no ads run on Sp00ky, IPW or Level Up Streams.  We also didn’t mention it on Cross Counter because nobody reached out to us and I didn’t know anyone who was going.  
    So really, who cares about an ignorant offhand comment made by a dude who doesn’t play SF4 or SC2, right?  If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?  IMO, nope! 

  • http://twitter.com/gootecks gootecks

    Agreed, Dreamhack is a great event but SF4 has never been a big part of it, regardless of the decent prize pot.  The costs of going are significant and it’s REALLY far from North America and even from Stockholm (you have to take a 3 hr train to get there from the airport).  

    Ultimately, DH isn’t really going to be that important to the FGC until they start reaching out to us.  Correct me if I’m wrong, but there were no ads run on Sp00ky, IPW or Level Up Streams.  We also didn’t mention it on Cross Counter because nobody reached out to us and I didn’t know anyone who was going.  
    So really, who cares about an ignorant offhand comment made by a dude who doesn’t play SF4 or SC2, right?  If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?  IMO, nope! 

  • http://twitter.com/Bolzoo Mikael Reichler

    I love watching both fighting games and Starcraft 2 but I didn’t appreciate them mixing the games as they did. They could have had SC2 THEN SSF IV:AE but not SC2 semi, SSF IV:AE final, SC2 final etc.. 

  • http://twitter.com/Tooitchy Darren Kehrli

    I don’t play SC2, or any RTS for that matter, and I know for a fact 99% of the game is complete strategy, and that 1% is executing it during the actual match. I love watching SC2 matches, even though I don’t understand the game, it reminds me so much of fighting games, but on a much more drawn out scale, at a slower pace, it’s incredibly fascinating to me. However please don’t assume that just because you don’t play SC, you assume its “clicking as fast as you can” because that’s completely ignorant to assume, in the exact same way that one would assume that fighting games are “mashing”. Anyone who thinks either of those things are true, need to be taken outside and shot, because they obviously don’t have any common sense whatsoever, and being that stupid will definately lead to a number of horrible things happening, possibly to other people (car accidents, etc.) at their hands, and we’d be better off without them.

  • Jose Di Paola

    Hey, at least we GOT an audience. I feel sorry for the five people watching Angry Birds. 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FUiLqtUsvc

  • Jose Di Paola

    Hey, at least we GOT an audience. I feel sorry for the five people watching Angry Birds. 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FUiLqtUsvc

  • Jose Di Paola

    Hey, at least we GOT an audience. I feel sorry for the five people watching Angry Birds. 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FUiLqtUsvc

  • Jose Di Paola

    Hey, at least we GOT an audience. I feel sorry for the five people watching Angry Birds. 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FUiLqtUsvc

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q5JUJO4E36GYHZFWX4BL72OT6I P S

    That last part of your sentence was just about as prejudiced as they come. Way to go.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q5JUJO4E36GYHZFWX4BL72OT6I P S

    That last part of your sentence was just about as prejudiced as they come. Way to go.

  • http://twitter.com/Tooitchy Darren Kehrli

    This is what it appeared like to me. However I do understand the annoyance felt by the author of this article, when the host said “button mashing heroes” and then, after giving Ryan Hart and Infiltration their checks he says “here’s your checks…I don’t know for what though”. The guy is a complete douche, and to act that way, as a “famous” FPS player, of all things? Famous at the same genre of game my little brother dominates in (who plays casually, and doesn’t really like FPS games), the same game that every casual gamer in the world thinks they’re amazing at? And he has the nerve, to insult some of the best Street Fighter players in the world, as somehow being unskilled, button mashing heroes, and say something about them not deserving a paycheck?

    I understand the author/community being upset about this, because the goal is to be able to get fighting games accepted by the “esports” community, and to be recognized as being just as competitive, and just as difficult, as a game like starcraft 2, the host of a HUGE event insulting one of our games like that, is a pretty big slap in the face.

    However, it is important to realize that it wasn’t just his fighting game ignorance, he didn’t understand anything outside of FPS, and his sentiments were not felt by the rest of the dreamhack crew/audience.

  • http://twitter.com/Tooitchy Darren Kehrli

    lol. I agree not to take his comment seriously, but at the same time, it is very annoying to hear some idiot FPS player act like they don’t deserve the prize money (he said “here’s your checks, I don’t know for what though…) which is then heard by 50k+ SC fans, who, like it or not, are the kind of audience we dream about having for our streams.

  • Fake Steve

    Stream monsters will be stream monsters.  Just like in any other field, there are gonna be assholes, and the assholes are always the most vocal.  Over at the REAL SC community, there was an overwhelmingly positive response to the SF matches.  We’ve got a bunch of SF players already, and more users are getting into it after watching Dreamhack.

    -FakeSteve[TPR], TeamLiquid.net staffer :)

  • Fake Steve

    Stream monsters will be stream monsters.  Just like in any other field, there are gonna be assholes, and the assholes are always the most vocal.  Over at the REAL SC community, there was an overwhelmingly positive response to the SF matches.  We’ve got a bunch of SF players already, and more users are getting into it after watching Dreamhack.

    -FakeSteve[TPR], TeamLiquid.net staffer :)

  • Fake Steve

    Stream monsters will be stream monsters.  Just like in any other field, there are gonna be assholes, and the assholes are always the most vocal.  Over at the REAL SC community, there was an overwhelmingly positive response to the SF matches.  We’ve got a bunch of SF players already, and more users are getting into it after watching Dreamhack.

    -FakeSteve[TPR], TeamLiquid.net staffer :)

  • Fake Steve

    Stream monsters will be stream monsters.  Just like in any other field, there are gonna be assholes, and the assholes are always the most vocal.  Over at the REAL SC community, there was an overwhelmingly positive response to the SF matches.  We’ve got a bunch of SF players already, and more users are getting into it after watching Dreamhack.

    -FakeSteve[TPR], TeamLiquid.net staffer :)

  • Fake Steve

    Stream monsters will be stream monsters.  Just like in any other field, there are gonna be assholes, and the assholes are always the most vocal.  Over at the REAL SC community, there was an overwhelmingly positive response to the SF matches.  We’ve got a bunch of SF players already, and more users are getting into it after watching Dreamhack.

    -FakeSteve[TPR], TeamLiquid.net staffer :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nathanial-P-Connor/1557216555 Nathanial P Connor

    Shit makes me wonder why we unite under the banner of gamers just to shit on each other.  It’s always been something PC vs Console vs different console vs different console.  Genre vs Genre.  Genre on PC vs. Genre on Console.  It’s ridiculous.  I play starcraft, I play fighting games, I play MMOs, I play FPSes (badly), I play sand box games, theme park games, I play heavy story games, I play nothin but action all the time  games.

    I play them all, and can appreciate them all.  I may not want to watch a pro stream of them all, but I can surely understand why someone else might.  

    Bah, anyway, /rant.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nathanial-P-Connor/1557216555 Nathanial P Connor

    Shit makes me wonder why we unite under the banner of gamers just to shit on each other.  It’s always been something PC vs Console vs different console vs different console.  Genre vs Genre.  Genre on PC vs. Genre on Console.  It’s ridiculous.  I play starcraft, I play fighting games, I play MMOs, I play FPSes (badly), I play sand box games, theme park games, I play heavy story games, I play nothin but action all the time  games.

    I play them all, and can appreciate them all.  I may not want to watch a pro stream of them all, but I can surely understand why someone else might.  

    Bah, anyway, /rant.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Almeson-Hoku-James/100000479628267 Almeson Hoku James

    yo, it’s a combination of execution and strategy

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbpCLqryN-Q

  • http://twitter.com/Amperture William Best

    “You might think it’s just stream monsters being stream monsters, except [insert quote from jebz]”

    You might think jebz was supposed to be some sort of real participant, given that he was the host, and he was just being a dumb motherfucker trashing on SF, but in reality that dude’s entire role at the event was “What if I was a stream monster, except in person?”

  • Anonymous

    1. Really?? You guys are actually falling for an obvious troll from a Stream Monster?  They pissed you off so bad you had to write this stupid article and post on front page SRK so you could get revenge?  I don’t think anyone has taken a stream monster seriously since like 1998…

    2. I wouldn’t be too harsh on the announcer/douche-nozzle. He didn’t actually mean Button Mashing Heroes as a disparaging comment.  He just tried to pull any fighting game lingo out that he could so that it would look like he knew what he was talking and “button mashing” is the only term he could find.

  • Anonymous

    1. Really?? You guys are actually falling for an obvious troll from a Stream Monster?  They pissed you off so bad you had to write this stupid article and post on front page SRK so you could get revenge?  I don’t think anyone has taken a stream monster seriously since like 1998…

    2. I wouldn’t be too harsh on the announcer/douche-nozzle. He didn’t actually mean Button Mashing Heroes as a disparaging comment.  He just tried to pull any fighting game lingo out that he could so that it would look like he knew what he was talking and “button mashing” is the only term he could find.

  • Anonymous

    oh my days..

  • http://twitter.com/Lionxie Aaron Pan

    Fuck the haters, I love SCII and SF! Thats all i care about! Hope theres more events like this in the future!

  • http://twitter.com/Lionxie Aaron Pan

    Fuck the haters, I love SCII and SF! Thats all i care about! Hope theres more events like this in the future!

  • http://twitter.com/Lionxie Aaron Pan

    Fuck the haters, I love SCII and SF! Thats all i care about! Hope theres more events like this in the future!

  • http://twitter.com/Zenmetsu89 Saba

    I don’t live in the US so I don’t know, but do fans of different sport really not get along? Like, if I like football and my friend likes basketball we insult each other on sight? Please fill me in on this.

    Also, I was talking about SF4 and MVC3 players hating on any game that isn’t one of those 2 as soon as it gets mentioned. I know that’s the vocal minority, but seeing different games on the streams might help open their mind.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5FLRQI2X2LU3IHMCG7HEAEFD5I Cat Astrophy

    It is when it comes to a company’s success (which is everything). E-Sports survives because of spectators. There are far more LoL spectators. Maybe HoN is bigger in EU if you just focus on the region, idk.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5FLRQI2X2LU3IHMCG7HEAEFD5I Cat Astrophy

    It is when it comes to a company’s success (which is everything). E-Sports survives because of spectators. There are far more LoL spectators. Maybe HoN is bigger in EU if you just focus on the region, idk.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rolando-Arredondo/100000414624414 Rolando Arredondo

    thats the dream

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rolando-Arredondo/100000414624414 Rolando Arredondo

    thats the dream

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rolando-Arredondo/100000414624414 Rolando Arredondo

    thats the dream

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rolando-Arredondo/100000414624414 Rolando Arredondo

    thats the dream

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rolando-Arredondo/100000414624414 Rolando Arredondo

    i think it was the other editorials that are thought provoking that he meant. you know, since people complain about those too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rolando-Arredondo/100000414624414 Rolando Arredondo

    i think it was the other editorials that are thought provoking that he meant. you know, since people complain about those too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rolando-Arredondo/100000414624414 Rolando Arredondo

    i think it was the other editorials that are thought provoking that he meant. you know, since people complain about those too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rolando-Arredondo/100000414624414 Rolando Arredondo

    i think it was the other editorials that are thought provoking that he meant. you know, since people complain about those too.

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    [...] Like last week I’m going to focus on Starcraft 2, but I’ll talk a bit about each of the other major tournaments (except Street Fighter). Sorry Bloodline Champions fans. And sorry Street Fighter fans – I know there was a bit of controversy over your treatment by the event’s emcee! [...]

  • http://gaminginformatics.org/?p=166 Tournament Organizers Introduce Game Diversity, Some Gamers Unhappy » GamingInformatics.org

    [...] to an article on shoryuken.com, some members of the StarCraft II community were less than happy with having to wait to see the [...]

  • jesper lewin

    I was at Dreamhack and I think the general consensus was that Tejbz is one of those things you simply have to ignore, just like some of the more ignorant artists they invite to play on the mainstage.

  • jesper lewin

    I was at Dreamhack and I think the general consensus was that Tejbz is one of those things you simply have to ignore, just like some of the more ignorant artists they invite to play on the mainstage.

  • jesper lewin

    I was at Dreamhack and I think the general consensus was that Tejbz is one of those things you simply have to ignore, just like some of the more ignorant artists they invite to play on the mainstage.

  • jesper lewin

    I was at Dreamhack and I think the general consensus was that Tejbz is one of those things you simply have to ignore, just like some of the more ignorant artists they invite to play on the mainstage.

  • jesper lewin

    I was at Dreamhack and I think the general consensus was that Tejbz is one of those things you simply have to ignore, just like some of the more ignorant artists they invite to play on the mainstage.

  • http://esports-insider.com/2012/01/27/that-one-over-zealous-esports-fan/ That One Over Zealous eSports Fan « Inside eSports

    [...] growth it pales in comparison to the potential. eSports has to coexist as a unified community. The fighters cannot turn their back, and the Starcraft players cannot envy the League players, and vis-versa. It must happen, it has to [...]