Wakeup, Shoryuken E073 – The Ghosts of SBO Past and Present

Today’s double-size cup of Wakeup SRK covers a little controversy from SBO 2011 and even a few years before. One of the men closest to the action, Fubarduck, joins us to tell the entire story in vivid detail. This is one crazy cup you cannot afford to miss!

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Timestamps bu Kurdijef
00:00 – Shoryuken! Guest intro by Nick Accristo (new intros are welcome!)
01:15 – Chit-chat
01:54 – Jump-in to the News
01:58 – Razer to produce an arcade stick (for 360 only)
03:13 – Street Fighter Volt (iPhone) now has Fei Long and Yun
03:36 – LG gets exclusive rights to SF4 on Android phones
04:10 – PlayStation Vita-version for Street Fighter x Tekken will have shared DLC
05:13 – SFxT: Pandora and Gem-system explained
07:25 – Dead or Alive 5 revealed
09:18 – Interview with Kensou: SBO & Planet Zero-history
11:57 – First Planet Zero-controversy in 2008
17:52 – 2009 SBO-qualifiers
19:05 – 2010-qualifiers and the “incident”
27:18 – Kensou’s take on SBO 2011-controversy
30:32 – Kensou out
31:52 – Introducing Ryan “fubarduck” Harvey
34:35 – SBO 2011 before the drama
36:24 – SBO to split into two events a year
38:49 – fubarduck’s experiences at Taito Station pre-SBO
43:32 – Calm before the storm
49:45 – “I need to talk to you guys about something. Can you please wait a minute.”
59:25 – “YOGA!”
62:00 – Swept under the rug
67:40 – 2chan’s reaction
73:12 – How to move forward
78:21 – SBO’s role and how it possibly should evolve
88:04 – Controversy of SBO last chance qualifier-rules
94:41 – Amalgame TV (http://ja.twitch.tv/frieda0914… – You can visit iplaywinner.com for the summary and translations
96:35 – fubarduck’s brief answer for Salty Runback http://iplaywinner.com/news/20…
99:05 – Comments (featuring fubarduck)
111:23 – Closing out

  • http://twitter.com/MiGaOh Michael G. O’Hair

    [One of the men closest to the action, Fubarduck, joins us to tell the entire story in vivid detail]

    Hopefully, it’s accurate and not later proven false by a pamphlet or flyer of some sort.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=723860015 Adam McDonald

      Except… Half the stuff 2k8 related that Kensou is saying has been PROVEN false in the SRK forums. And what they did was borderline illegal (basically a get out or contract free stipulation with nothing really detailed) and if Zinac wanted to take action he probably could have. UltraDavid himself basically said most judges would throw out the “stipulation” where the winner of the tourny wasn’t the winner, the people PZ picked was the winner regardless.

      And Kensou’s “not necessarily” knowing before was disproven by chat logs where other people in the situation said Kensou had it before the tourny. and that he was pumped before hand because he knew he would go anyways.

      In this case with the news that’s come out, FINALLY PZ has been the innocent party in another SBO trainwreck.

      Maybe Kensou’s more honourable now, even though he’s still covering 2k8, but back then basically everyone who isn’t John’s friend was telling him no to accept that dirty qual.

      I didn’t follow any other stuff AFTER 2k8, but before then PZ had a lot of hate for not paying international winners.

  • Anonymous

    Should expect to hear about some heads to be rolling or a little seppuku action over at SBO Headquarters for their negligence. 

  • http://twitter.com/rpgabe Aaron Matt Wall

    Found two things really interesting about it:

    1. That SBO’s desire to have Daigo/Iyo in may have been why a random international team spot was ‘lost’

    2. That there were thousands and thousands of messages on 2chan concerned about how things went down, and how this would affect how foreigners treat Japanese players when they’re at our tournaments

  • http://twitter.com/ryne_ee Ryne

    So, are these not going up on iTunes anymore?

    • Anonymous

      Yeah iTunes hasn’t been updated in a long time. It might be something wrong on SRK’s end. :(

    • Anonymous

      iTunes was working with the last server, but it isnt with this one.  Sorry, for now iTunes is not going to work.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tyrone-McAllister/510677201 Tyrone McAllister

    wow SBO racist as f^ck!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=12804098 Andrew Hoss

    Hey, SBO. Here’s an idea. Instead of jumping through loop after shady, disrespectful, shameful loop to get Daigo into your tournament at the expense of players who have spent thousands of dollars out of pocket to get there (and then refusing to reimburse them when they call bullshit), think about why Daigo doesn’t want to attend your tournament in the first place.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Warpticon Christopher Price

      The realness is strong with this one.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Warpticon Christopher Price

      The realness is strong with this one.

  • http://twitter.com/ShosuroJM JMV

    SBO is exposed as the fraud and irrelevant shit it is. 

    1) Shady way of handling its international players. Pitting two international players to qualify for their qualifiers is way too obvious of a discrimination. Add to the fact that Daigo GOT IN the tournament. 
    2) Shitty as fuck stream. 20 dollars for a stream like that? Spooky has way better streams and he doesn’t charge any.
    3) Single elims. In a tournament as large as that, single loss means bye bye? really?

  • http://twitter.com/KyleLightning Kyle Lightning

    what they also could have done was change the bracket into a 64-man so all the 33teams could play.

  • Anonymous

    *slap on wrist to SBO*, keep all the Japanese players comin to U.S., I personally want more Choco/Kayo. Daigo is great to watch cause i try to discern how long he’s been awake (some matches its either  30 mins, or 20hrs). Lets go Momochi cody!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Cannon/701758565 Tom Cannon

    Quick note on fubarduck’s comments:

    Netherrealm did not sponsor Evo 2011.  To be absolutely clear, Netherrealm gave Evo $0.  Contrary to fubarduck’s claim, Evo games are selected based solely on the merits of the games.  Evo is not “just like SBO” as fubarduck claims.

  • Anonymous

    SBO, so you got Daigo into your tournament, and it only cost your integrity.  Was it worth it?  
    SBO should not only be ashamed, but somebody needs to resign, somebody needs to be held accountable.  Making the bracket mistake I can forgive, but playing favorites giving qualifying spots to Japanese Teams and then screw over two foreign teams,  then attempting to sweep it under the rug, somebody deserves to have to cut off their pinky finger for this.

    I am going to be devils advocate and disagree with Fubarduck and say we don’t need SBO. Having a corrupt tournament that lacks integrity and plays favorites to be the premiere fighting game tournament for Japan sets a bad example. Why should they be seen as the Premiere Fighting game tournament when it is run like a sick corrupt joke.  To top it off, it is a highly monetized event that was taking in money, but then lacks the responsibility to fix their own screw up.  To top it off charging for a stream and then not showing the international competition.

    If SBO cannot run a tournament with integrity, people should stop supporting it so another organizer with integrity can run a tournament.

  • http://twitter.com/fubarduck Ryan Harvey

    Yep, as Tom Cannon said, NetherRealm did not pay EVO to have MK. I apologize for the huge blunder on my part. I certainly hope this doesn’t take away from the meat of the podcast’s content: EVO does/has had sponsors in the past, but not from game companies to have their game in Evo. The point is that both events have sponsors and that the US and Japan both need these tournaments for their respective scenes.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WV4VCJ2UTS43PU4IZO4GQZEV7M wuy

      If US were to lose EVO tomorrow, they will still have Season’s beatings, SCR, Revelations, CEO, Final Round, a ton of well run tourneys to serve the needs of the competitive players. Similarly Japan has Godsgarden, Nagoya Street Battle, lots of tourneys being run by people who cared. The foreigners all managed to play in the Ayano Cup before SBO with no problems, the stream of it was free and it ended up being way more hyped than SBO. The attitude that the SBO organizers showed in taking care of this incident shows that they simply don’t care, can’t be trusted to run a top class tourney and they are living off the SBO name. This is quite frankly ridiculous; does SBO really have to exist because it’s SBO, rather than because it’s the best competition in Japan?

      Everyone agrees that EVO is not perfect and has room for improvement, but when has Mr Wizard and Co shown the same “who cares about which team we shit on, we just want the competition to be over with” attitude that SBO did?

  • http://twitter.com/novriltataki Fighting Game News

    I can’t believe that crook Kensou gets to say his BS on WUSRK…
    You’d be better off not opening that can of worms at all.

  • http://www.turpakellari.com Kurdijef

    Oh man, this is like the most important episode to stamp and I can’t do it for a while D:

  • http://twitter.com/DrunkenIronMan Iron Man

    Are there any legal avenues the players can take against SBO? If they made roughly $600,000 off of streaming I’d go after that to recoup my travel expenses. I’d ask my legal team in Japan but, it’s Japan so I don’t care. Leave that to Elektra.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alex-Pizzle/675185107 Alex Pizzle

      That would be the end of the American SBO spot after that. lol

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alex-Pizzle/675185107 Alex Pizzle

      That would be the end of the American SBO spot after that. lol

  • http://twitter.com/AndrewTorriente andrew ozzie-xavier

    God you people did not listen to a word he said the entirety of the interview. That being said it is really unfortunate what happened, but I completely agree with Ryan’s perspective on how we must also keep an eye on the broader scope of things.

    I understand Canon trying to clear things up, but the way he put it was rude. Oh well you have to protect your product, and it’s livelihood.  

  • Anonymous

    I hope people here understand the difference between passion and hostility.

  • http://www.turpakellari.com Kurdijef

    Man, coming home from night shift I expected someone to step up (and stamp up) for this exciting episode :(

    Oh well, here it is:

    00:00 – Shoryuken! Guest intro by Nick Accristo (new intros welcome)
    01:15 – Chit-chat
    01:54 – Jump-in to the News
    01:58 – Razer to produce an arcade stick (for 360 only)
    03:13 – Street Fighter Volt  (iPhone) now has Fei Long and Yun
    03:36 – LG gets exclusive rights to SF4 on Android phones
    04:10 – PlayStation Vita-version for Street Fighter x Tekken will have shared DLC
    05:13 – SFxT: Pandora and Gem-system explained
    07:25 – Dead or Alive 5 revealed
    09:18 – Interview with Kensou: SBO & Planet Zero-history
    11:57 – First Planet Zero-controversy in 2008
    17:52 – 2009 SBO-qualifiers
    19:05 – 2010-qualifiers and the “incident”
    27:18 – Kensou’s take on SBO 2011-controversy
    30:32 – Kensou out
    31:52 – Introducing Ryan “fubarduck” Harvey
    34:35 – SBO 2011 before the drama
    36:24 – SBO to split into two events a year
    38:49 – fubarduck’s experiences at Taito Station pre-SBO
    43:32 – Calm before the storm
    49:45 – “I need to talk to you guys about something. Can you please wait a minute.”
    59:25 – “YOGA!”
    62:00 – Swept under the rug
    67:40 – 2chan’s reaction
    73:12 – How to move forward
    78:21 – SBO’s role and how it possibly should evolve
    88:04 – Controversy of SBO last chance qualifier-rules
    94:41 – Amalgame TV (http://ja.twitch.tv/frieda0914/b/292823126) – You can visit iplaywinner.com for  the summary and translations
    96:35 – fubarduck’s brief answer for Salty Runback http://iplaywinner.com/news/2011/9/20/the-salty-runback-glitter-kake.html
    99:05 – Comments  (featuring fubarduck)
    111:23 – Closing out

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Temp-Bast/100002186982673 Temp Bast

    From what I heard on CrossCounter, SBO was absolutely horrible.
    -First up, HsienChan and BananaKen had an official spot in SBO. They were in the SBO pamphlets; photo and name in the brackets. So SBO knew for a long time they were gonna fuck someone over.
    -Planet Zero is getting flack when their not at fault.
    -A low quality pay-per-view stream. The SBO stream did not stream any American players, and there was 45 minutes of dead air between ST and AE. The camera shot was of an empty stage.
    -Man Daigo didn’t even want to play, how could SBO screw international players like that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/christopher.wrightson Christopher Ifitswrong Wrights

    I truly believe that what transpired overseas is an absolute shame and if I were personally involved I would be livid for what I had to go through not just at the tournament but what it took to get to that country to begin with. The money, the sacrifice, the training all out the window for nothing? Yeah, that’s not fair whatsoever.

    My natural aggression makes me want to retaliate and say that to send a message we shouldn’t do absolutely anything to be hospitable to any players coming from Japan and be sure to show no sort of effort or care in whether they receive respect or fair treatment but when you work on an eye-for-an-eye sense of reasoning, everyone just ends up blind. So while devastating this situation must have been, I think the most respectable thing that we could do is just to remove SBO as a tournament that we allow ourselves to enter. I mean it’s not like SBO has the greatest sense of respect running behind it with all the underhanded things that transpire there so why enter? What do you earn from doing so? They should be deemed as an institution with no credibility and no sense of honor as they obviously don’t care in proving otherwise and the whole event should be deemed as important and respectable as a side tourney at your local arcade and nothing more. EVO, Revelation, ECT, and more are all available and far more reputable then that biased event held by those who don’t even play the game let alone understand it so why put effort into a waste of space? Let’s just move on and get ourselves ready for a real event like Season’s Beatings 2011 this October; where everyone will be able to play and the streams are actually distinguishable.

  • http://www.facebook.com/christopher.wrightson Christopher Ifitswrong Wrights

    I truly believe that what transpired overseas is an absolute shame and if I were personally involved I would be livid for what I had to go through not just at the tournament but what it took to get to that country to begin with. The money, the sacrifice, the training all out the window for nothing? Yeah, that’s not fair whatsoever.

    My natural aggression makes me want to retaliate and say that to send a message we shouldn’t do absolutely anything to be hospitable to any players coming from Japan and be sure to show no sort of effort or care in whether they receive respect or fair treatment but when you work on an eye-for-an-eye sense of reasoning, everyone just ends up blind. So while devastating this situation must have been, I think the most respectable thing that we could do is just to remove SBO as a tournament that we allow ourselves to enter. I mean it’s not like SBO has the greatest sense of respect running behind it with all the underhanded things that transpire there so why enter? What do you earn from doing so? They should be deemed as an institution with no credibility and no sense of honor as they obviously don’t care in proving otherwise and the whole event should be deemed as important and respectable as a side tourney at your local arcade and nothing more. EVO, Revelation, ECT, and more are all available and far more reputable then that biased event held by those who don’t even play the game let alone understand it so why put effort into a waste of space? Let’s just move on and get ourselves ready for a real event like Season’s Beatings 2011 this October; where everyone will be able to play and the streams are actually distinguishable.

  • http://www.facebook.com/christopher.wrightson Christopher Ifitswrong Wrights

    I truly believe that what transpired overseas is an absolute shame and if I were personally involved I would be livid for what I had to go through not just at the tournament but what it took to get to that country to begin with. The money, the sacrifice, the training all out the window for nothing? Yeah, that’s not fair whatsoever.

    My natural aggression makes me want to retaliate and say that to send a message we shouldn’t do absolutely anything to be hospitable to any players coming from Japan and be sure to show no sort of effort or care in whether they receive respect or fair treatment but when you work on an eye-for-an-eye sense of reasoning, everyone just ends up blind. So while devastating this situation must have been, I think the most respectable thing that we could do is just to remove SBO as a tournament that we allow ourselves to enter. I mean it’s not like SBO has the greatest sense of respect running behind it with all the underhanded things that transpire there so why enter? What do you earn from doing so? They should be deemed as an institution with no credibility and no sense of honor as they obviously don’t care in proving otherwise and the whole event should be deemed as important and respectable as a side tourney at your local arcade and nothing more. EVO, Revelation, ECT, and more are all available and far more reputable then that biased event held by those who don’t even play the game let alone understand it so why put effort into a waste of space? Let’s just move on and get ourselves ready for a real event like Season’s Beatings 2011 this October; where everyone will be able to play and the streams are actually distinguishable.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001303688078 Alexis Monsivaiz

    Today is my birthday. I got Live again, and 3SO. If that wasn’t enough, I came home to have a new Wake Up SRK… I love my life right now!

    Really enjoyed this episode, as well as all the others. Keep ‘em coming, and I look forward to tuning in to the next one!

  • Anonymous

    unfortunately some games survive purely based on their sbo spot. . . 

  • Anonymous

    unfortunately some games survive purely based on their sbo spot. . . 

  • http://twitter.com/HJayZ91 Mr. Jones

    Keits and Ski, do you guys think MVC3 and the upcoming UMVC3′s damage is way too low? character kill combos are very common or just  2 bnb’s can kill a character(ABCD sj. BBCD OTG Hyper). do you guys think this is because they want casual players to be able to win without it being a time over every time? also, do you think they will lower the damage of every move in future iterations like SFIV series? vanilla had high damage and in super it was lowered and in AE, the damage is even lower. thanks guys

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