UMvC3 – San Diego Comic Con Compiled List of Changes

UMvC3 – San Diego Comic Con Compiled List of Changes
Keits by on July 25th, 2011 at 8:30 am

Update – You can find another very complete list at NeoGAF, but again, all is subject to change.

While there are a lot of inaccuracies in the list, and nearly everything is subject to change, you have to appreciate the work Kaworu over at NeoEmpire put in when compiling this list of changes in the SDCC build of Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3. Head over and give it a read if you need to catch up, but just remember that nothing on the list is final!

[tip from Alex M]

  • Monokeros

    It amuses me how well that picture fits as they’re the 2 getting singled out for the arguably well-deserved nerfs.

  • mikeachusetts

    appropriate changes.

  • CrashdummyX

    I like the list of changes so far. It looks like nerfs and buffs are being given to the characters that need them.

  • Ultimafax

    Wolverine’s tits look bigger than Phoenix’s. Is that Greg Land’s artwork?

    • Iron DD

      Yes, unfortunately. Ugh.

  • Ultimafax

    Yup, Greg Land.

    Terrible. Get that fraud off the Internet.

    • Cyric

      I actually came in here just to say how cool that artwork was. Phoenix looks hot :)

  • HowDoIZone

    As long as Wolverine Instant crossup at pointblank range w. akuma tatsu assist is still viable, I don’t see why Wolverine still isn’t good.

    Wesker teleport nerfed? =/. I guess now I have to cover them with an assist now like all the other characters. heh

    • F0xhound009

      he’s slower and another change not mentioned is if you tag someone in the air with his dive kick it doesn’t ground bounce. trust me he’s done for, that’s what most people rely’d on. and mashers are gonna get swiss cheese all the time

    • Pertho

      None of the teleports were safe without cover. If you were teleporting without cover, you were getting away with murder.

      • Zmoney2006

        Exactly. Way to ruin a badass character Capcom. I can understand wolverine getting hit with the nerf bat but wesker required a certain level of skill even if slightly less than others to use correctly. Now what the heck is he supposed to do by himself? Forget using him as an anchor now. The only time his teleports were even seemingly unfair was during level 3 X-Factor. Besides that, if you weren’t gripping him up every time he teleported naked then you obviously had horrible reflexes. It was even slower than Dante’s teleport. -__- Whatever…

  • Mattizm

    Can’t believe there is no more rocket punch OTG > Hyper. Seems like that is a bit too much of a nerf. On the other hand I don’t think there many characters that can OTG > Hyper without an assist. So I guess that was what they were thinking.

    • GM Dak

      Shouldn’t be too bad with combo > rocket punch + almost any assist > HSF. He’ll be a less effective anchor, but we get strider with 2 level 3s :) .
      I’m calling it now, X/Sent/Strider.

  • shinquickman

    Some of these changes are wrong. Ryu can’t just shoot bouncing lasers whenever he has super. He needs to get into Denjin mode to do that. MODOK’s “new” move is just the S Psionic Blaster in the air.

    They missed a couple of things as well. Arthur’s Goddess bracelet’s projectiles move much faster. Super Skrull’s lv.3 super can be followed up. Magneto’s j.H knocks away further and his dash range is shorter. Ironman’s dash is slower, but accelerates and travels further.

    • iQuick

      He can still OTG to plasma storm so it’s not such a terrible thing.

  • Macdaddy487

    i’m unhappy with all the changes. it seems like they’re idea of “rebalancing” the characters is by making all the bad characters good and all the good characters bad. you people should’ve just shutup and stop whining about silly little things like Wolverine, Phoenix, Wesker etc. this is just recockulous

    • Deddjay

      Your trolling right? I haven’t seen any changes that instantly made someone bad (though many that made characters seem “better” )

    • Zmoney2006

      Yes because stripping characters that scrubs get raped by on the daily because they haven’t learned what the term block means instead of just creating tools for other characters to counter that character is DEFINITELY the right direction to head when “rebalancing” a game. -__- What happened to buffs not nerfs? Why destroy what makes a character good when you could just make all the other characters better? No excuse for it. That’s why we “whiners” complain.

      • candeisis

        Yeh ok so buff everyone else no nerfs right? So give everyone a beserker slash + ground bouncing dive kick or a tracking fb+teleports, yeh that’d make for a great game :rolleyes:

      • metaXzero

        We could either homogenize everyone by giving everyone a buff to deal with crap like Wolverine’s Berserker slash nonsense, Wesker’s gun teleport idiocy, Phoenix’s TK shot absurdity, and Mag’s stupid Disruptor. OR we could just nerf the overpowering things while not ridiculously overbuffing a bunch of characters to deal with things.

        Of course, Capcom likes to do both and overbuff things so meh.

  • Deddjay

    Very happy with the changes so far. Especially in the cases of Trish, Deadpool, and Captain America (though I don’t even play with Cap).

  • Sir_Flawless

    What does TBC mean? To Be Continued? I read on there that Iron Man cant do Double Jump anymore. Whose dumbass idea was that to take that away from him? Hopefully thats not true.

    • SuperCapCom

      I think TBC means “to be confirmed.”

  • Grimbear13

    D: All I wanted to read was Hulk changes… and I got none :’(

    • Deps

      Hulk S.h absorbs 3 hits now, thats all I’ve heard so far.

  • SugaFree

    WOW

    No more OTG into Hyper Sentinel Force?

    They should have a damage nerf, not remove that.

  • Renegade

    As usual, Capcom balances like a bull in a china shop, when only minor tweaks were needed.

    The Xfactor system has already been tweaked, so that changes a lot of what wolverine and PHX players were exploiting already.

    All Jean Grey needed was to shorten the duration on homing balls so they didn’t hit grounded characters from a super jump. In order to do cross up shenanigans, she has to be lower and expose herself. Remove the wall bounces on DPhoenixes traps.
    As far as wolverine goes, lengthen the vulnerable startup on zerker slash by 3 frames or so, lower his health by 50k, lower his damage by 10%, and make his dive kick -1 on block and always ground bounce. Trust me, that’s a nerf.

  • NyuBomber

    I like what I’m reading, overall. Didn’t think Wesker’s teleports needed a speed nerf, though, and I hate fighting Wesker.

    All I want is a list of changes some time after the game’s released.

    • Zmoney2006

      Exactly. As stated before they are slower than Dante’s and if you can’t grip him up every time he tries it then that’s a personal problem. Granted he can be quite annoying to go against but don’t strip him of everything that makes him the badass he is. Slowing his speed down, slowing his teleport, AND lowering his health? Ridiculous Capcom. Just Plain Ridiculous. Just because a character can do well on his own doesn’t mean that he should be nerfed because you failed to make others with the ability to do the same.

    • Zmoney2006

      And let’s not even get started with his air throw being uncomboable after release nless against a wall. SO now what the hell am I to do to counter someone with two characters while I am on my last? Can’t catch the opponent when he’s jumping like a jack rabbit or trying to air super spam with akuma and the like. Can’t mix him up with teleports anymore because it’s so slow my grandmother (rest her soul) could yank him up after. No let me dash in and get him off guard. Nope. Takes far longer to reach him then before so by the time he throws out the move he’s already able to block by the time I get there. Way to ruin my favorite villain in any game series.

      • QNHCantiAlpha

        Damn Z, drop it already. This is not the end of Wesker, just adapt to his new play. If your so fucking good then this shouldn’t be that damn hard for you.

  • BREEExKinzoku

    I already Miss Tron’s gustaff fire assist..

  • TearsOfTheSky

    -Looks at Morrigan and Trish-
    =/
    Really?
    REALLY?!

    Not even the much needed damage buff on Morrigan? Most everyone can combo Finishing Shower after Shadow Blade now so that one wasn’t really needed, but still appreciated, but still.
    REALLY?!

    • b3nz0r

      lol, Morrigan got nothing but GOOD stuff.

      Look what they did to my Haggar. I know he didn’t need herp derp assist (I actually play him point normally)…but they gave him NOTHING! If anything they made a struggling character even worse. The hell. :(

  • Pertho

    Lol at a lot of the nerfs. Wolverine does not need all of that taken out, Magneto only needed to lose his super fast disruptor and hyper grav loop, Wesker only needed to lose health (slowing down teleport and getting rid of his air throw games might as well mean you killed the character), Sentinel losing his OTG into HSF is just bad (the guy already has no mixups and has a bad matchup agaisnt a lot of people, he didn’t deserve to lose his damage).

    And god damn it make other assists better, don’t nerf Tron. Just who are they listening to with all the nerfs, capcom unity? They get to bitch about Megaman not being there but instead you nerf the shit out of the game like they wanted.

    They want a worthwhile balance change? Dismantle x-factor and suddenly, the game became 6 times better.

  • cygnus

    if you want im to keep his dj then you dont want him to have better combos

  • kaworu_scott

    I’m the guy who made that post.

    Thanks for the input on here as I’ve just updated it further, few things needed correcting and adding.

    Remember it says **WORK IN PROGRESS** and as Keits said, none of this could be in the final game, although that would be shit as these changes are mostly amazing.

    • Smorgasboard

      Thanks for putting up the list!

  • Raz0r

    They really want people to stop crying over Sentinel. Everyone else can keep their one-hit kills but Sent has to eat crow?

  • otakuloko160385

    Some changes we already expected, but also some nerfs gonna change the entire way many characters used to play.

  • trollacoaster

    Haggar and Tron nerfs? Really Capcom really. Felicia nerfs too huh, just genius. I’m sure they’ll somehow nerf Joe too.

  • RenaTurnip

    … Why did we make Iron Man worse?

    Maybe they secretly added Josh360 combos to him :c

  • Immaculate

    Wow why nerf sentinel more?

  • Shaeknbaek

    If the Hsien-Ko buffs are legit (haven’t seen much footage), and Morrigan gets a much-needed dmg buff, I’ll J in my Ps at finally being able to have my Task, Hsien-Ko, Morrigan team.

  • BDP_Orpheus

    Too many nerfs on Wesker. Nerfing his air throw/gun pickup kills his meter gain, which is one of his primary purposes. Nerfing his health defeats his other primary purpose. Wesker seemed to be intended to be a meter build tank on point that didn’t need to spend meter to get damage, although his damage output was slightly lower for it. He also had good mixup (which nerfing teleports hurt). So now he had a good assist and a fast incredibly short range command throw on a low mobility character with low life, no good use of meter besides blowing it all on a level three, and builds average meter.

  • Airborne

    Loving how know has noticed how Spidey’s Web Glide looks like it has been sped up, nor has anyone even given him a try in Ultimate… And people still fail to realize that he has the highest damage output in the game.

    • DGNR8

      Ummm…wha?

    • pratmaN

      ssssssssssssssssh keep Spidey under the radar he will become OP.

  • Razing Phoenix

    Ok, what? Nerfing Zero’s lvl 3 X-buster is a no-no. Wesker only needed a health nerf. I could understand Tron’s assist nerf, but why nerf her j.H? I am pleased with Doom’s, Chris’, Ryu’s, and Spencer’s buffs.

    • Causus

      j.H had to be nerfed, seriously ouuuuuuuuuahahah is all you hear with Tron on point, of course they should her a less braindead way to close the distance in the deal. Kinda sad that the DHC glitch is gone, it added a whole new dimension to team choices

      • Causus

        *give her

      • Razing Phoenix

        but even with that, it’s not like she was super good on point. I think that nerfing that assist was enough.

      • metaXzero

        Complaining about Tron’s using nothing but J. H? Do you complain about Haggar’s doing nothing but J d. H? WTF else are they suppossed to do. Their other approaches are garbage and they have no viable mix-ups. Tron with J H. isn’t even high tier. Now she can look forward to being worthless trash in Ultimate.

  • Nybb

    WTF Capcom? The ONLY characters that needed nerfing were Phoenix and and Wolverine, and maybe a health nerf to Wesker. Reducing XF’s power and removing the DHC glitch already nerfs the top characters. There is absolutely no reason to nerf Sentinel AGAIN, who was never good to begin with, and to nerf characters like Haggar and Tron. Why is Capcom so obsessed with nerfing everything?

  • Dawn

    Im glad with most of the stuff on here, but I noticed a lot of pretty drastic things. Of course, these are all speculation, and until I see something official, or until the game itself comes out I wont judge on their decisions. Still I can see things changing for me, and it actually looks pretty good.

  • Zmoney2006

    Buffs not nerfs Capcom!!! Buffs not Nerfs!!! You can always have bad nerfs but you can NEVER have bad buffs!!!

    • Keranata

      That might be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read, of course you can have bad buffs. Think about the things you say logically and you’ll realize that you make no sense.

  • DGNR8

    Captain America gets his double jump back….I’m happy.

  • avatar_ignis

    Dormammu has some interesting changes. Not sure what to make of the carpet flame, if it hits otg can you combo of it? can you combo after it knocks an enemy across the screen?

  • khalma

    stupid nerfs… totaly unsense!!!!!! WTF?? no roket punch into HSF??? its so basic pff…. the nerfs for phoenix goes to far… for wolverine the same… i feel a little desapointing, wesker whit 800-900k??? and cuted resets :S, if capcom want to nerfs that way those characters better take them out!!! seriously!!! capcom goes to far on rebalancing the game… i hope they change a lot of stuff, we really need some buffs for some characters and nerfing one should be fair… the magneto nerfs is absurd as well… i hope some changes

  • khalma

    it dosent exist a bad buff acctually

  • Thancruz

    ppl are actually complaining about Wolverine, Phoenix and Wesker nerfs?? When just the other day they are calling them the “derp” characters? Ppl need to make up their minds.

  • jupiterman

    Can’t access neo empire, is it down?

  • khalma

    NO… ppl are always complaining about phoenix wolverine and wesker on current game… there is enough stuff in MVC3 fotw to put a stop to the dominance of those 3 character for example… ppl NEED to lern how to play estrategically, to much complain of casual players and to much loud

  • shox

    Did sentinel really need to be nerfed again?

  • hikodavid

    Liking Trish’s buffs considering she is my main, but some characters were nerfed to much I mean really soon we will have a game with just kicks and punches.

    • Exalted-1

      I talk about the nerfs and ppl say I am blowing it out of proportion. Then I ask them if they know any Tron players and they leave me alone

  • Baconman

    It looks to me like Capcom is cutting down he big, top characters and trying to boost the rest up to their level. But doing those at the same time is going to result in a very different game
    I agree Wesker, Pheonix, Wolvie, Magneto and Sent needed some nerfs…but they are taking these characters to the bootom. see a drastic drop in Wolverines coming up, along with Pheonix. Magneto’s new move might keep him good, but Setinel and Wesker seem like they are practically finished. Sent got one massive nerf he deserved (And I can say this because he has been my main sinceday 1) I think most would have been fine without any more to hm…especially the loss of a BnB. Wesker takes a good deal of practice to get thoe death combos down…Less health alone would have been fine on him…but with all this gone, he might be in trouble.

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