SSF4AE – Juri, Understanding Fuzzy Guard, and AE Changes

SSF4AE – Juri, Understanding Fuzzy Guard, and AE Changes
Keits by on July 4th, 2011 at 9:23 am

Though it seems like a topic we just visited, Emper0rC0w’s latest Juri video goes much more in-depth on the topic of Super Street Fighter 4 (and Arcade Edition) fuzzy guard. If you don’t yet understand the concept and need a hand, this is a wonderful place to start. He also included a second video that details many of the changes Juri received in Arcade Edition. (nsfw)

[full image found here]

  • lilotaku

    Nice tutorials. I was gonna pick up Juri for fun and these will definitely help. Well done.

  • subt-L

    i want to meet the person who came up with this new usage of the term “fuzzy guard”, since its been a term that has been used in fighting games for over a decade as a way of option blocking mids/overhead and lows (basically 50/50 roulette aka fuzzy). there is nothing fuzzy about what this is, it isn’t a defensive technique (which guarding is) as much as its just crappy sf4 hitbox programming.

    for some reason, fuzzy “getting hit with overheads because the game thinks you’re standing” bastardizes the term “fuzzy guard” and turns it into something that not only doesn’t make sense, its much less guarding as it is getting punched in the face. so if you stand block, is that the fuzzy guard people are talking about, or is that just blocking normally?

    • NooMiK

      I agree. I don’t think the term “fuzzy guard” is the proper term for this phenomenon. As I recall, from my little time with Virtua Fighter, the term “fuzzy guard” was used to refer to an option-select method of blocking certain mid/low mix-ups by holding block while standing. I would rather call the property in this video “fuzzy hitbox” myself. In any case, the video is pretty neat and I learned something I didn’t know about.

      • LAMG_

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF3fahi70qI < Real fuzzy guard vs the "instant overhead" setup

        • Lazir

          This is correct

        • Mightfo

          Except you’re not actually blocking the first fuzzy guard setup she did in your video, she’s not using j.mp in your example, and this is easily beaten by her doing a slower low. You still have to deal with an unreactable mixup: Either low or high, or low or slower low.

          • LAMG_

            keep trolling, slower lows wont work either

          • Mightfo

            Why? You’re timing it so that you block a low if she does a low about 4 frames after landing, and you block high automatically about 8-11 frames after she lands. If she does a low at 8 frames or so after landing, when you’re doing your little timed high block, you get hit. You haven’t explained how this “wont work”.

            Just because you can’t defend yourself or admit that you’re wrong, doesn’t mean i’m a “troll”.

    • beahmad

      >GET OFF MY LAWN

    • Mightfo

      I don’t know about how the term is used in 3d fighters, but I don’t see the problem with it applied to this sort of setup in 2d fighters. This sort of setup has been in several fighting games, not just SF4. GG, BB, AH3, etc. “Fuzzy” feels somewhat appropriate since the enemy is actually blocking low but an overhead’s blockstun keeps their hitbox standing. Even if the phrase has different origins, the phrase feels appropriate in some way to describe this way to create instant overheads that normally aren’t possible.

    • Good Game Player

      2d fuzzy isn’t a new term at all. it may not be as old as the vf usage but it’s been around for a while.

    • Fulaani

      Im glad I’m not the only one who found the usage of the term here stupid.

    • stew

      Fuzzy guard has always been around in 2d fighting games as a different term than in 3d fighting games. In 2d fighters, fuzzy guard refers to when the defender blocks something standing, he remains in the standing state but can block high or low. That is why these mixups depend on the fuzzy guard, because the high-low mixup only works if the opponent is always standing, which only happens during fuzzy guard. A crouch blocking opponent simply laughs at this stuff.
      This has been present for a very long time in fighting games, and I actually learned the term in Immaterial and Missing Power, which is a doujin game.

    • ahdonye

      What the hell? No “thank you for your unpaid hard work”, “thanks for helping Juri players get better and help people defend against Juri” You just want get all shitty over the term “fuzzy guard” and the hitbox programming. Where are your videos? where is the game you programmed? If you are so unhappy don’t play the game. I don’t like fucking puppies so I don’t fuck puppies. I don’t go grab a puppy, start fucking it and then bitch about the crappy training the puppy got because it won’t stop barking while I fuck it.

  • BMsirhc1313

    “i want to meet the person who came up with this new usage of the term “fuzzy guard”, since its been a term that has been used in fighting games for over a decade as a way of option blocking mids/overhead and lows (basically 50/50 roulette aka fuzzy). there is nothing fuzzy about what this is, it isn’t a defensive technique (which guarding is)”

    Agreed

  • entenfett

    Come on guys, write more guides and videos about Juri, so we can have more pictures of cosplayers in the news :)

  • Slide

    Fuzzy guarding is a 3d term meant to defend against a mid/throw mixup at certain frame disadvantages. Basically you guard the mid while avoiding the throw at the same time. It’s not a mid/low defense tool. It’s mid/throw.

  • Shinkada

    I’m not sure where the term originated but this is not the first time it’s been used to talk about how hitboxes operate between standing and crouching in relation to offense. Was used this way in Guilty Gear too, where a number of characters had combos that actually needed you to create a fuzzy guard to work.

    But it is true. Fuzzy guarding seems to mean at least two different things depending on who you ask. Given that both of these definitions have been in circulation for a long time, good luck standardizing it. :/

  • TheTHCGamer

    Fuzzy guarding has been used in virtua fighter for some time now.

    • Mightfo

      And it’s been used in games like Guilty Gear for a long time as well, for a different thing. Not as long as Virtua Fighter’s use of the term, but good luck changing it.

  • Silly Goose

    It’s really great how ppl take time out & make educational videos for other players. Behind the trolls & posers arguing & bickering there’s still a great community

  • alvare

    So how do we call real fuzzy guard now? (you know, VF style, delaying a standing block to block slower-than-a-low-hit overheads in 2D and slower-than-a-throw mid hits in 3D)

  • Sadistic Masochist

    so who is the cosplayer in the pic?

  • Snivy

    Has anyone got the bigger picture of that cosplay pic? I need it for uhh.. research purposes.

  • AriesWarlock

    Great stuff, Juri FTW!

  • Two Up

    What the heck is fuzzy guard?

  • bosk_11

    That cos player is male….but I admit one of the BEST Juri cos players out there.

  • bosk_11
    • Syxx573

      IT’S A TRAP!

      • shiningnegro

        ur avatar pick just makes your reply even more awesome

  • Ghostal

    Just an fyi, the crossunder after MK/HK Senpusha in the corner isnt an AE change, it was in Super as well. Still really good though.

    • EMPEROR_COW

      thats why i said “and OTHER shinanigens” in my title … and i left the title to ssf4 … implying that this stuff acctually was in the older version but i left it out of my previous vids … but thanks anyway

      • offersspam

        Anyway, good work EMPEROR_COW!!! Really nice stuff here.

  • Sadistic Masochist

    nooooo, why did you pick a trap as a cosplayer pic. i was fooled by the tits, now i find out she has no tits, and she is a he.

    thanx a lot keits. i almost made the mistake of saying it looked better than that philipino cosplaying juri. guess i got saved, lol.

  • chairman of course

    I realy like the frontpage girls!^^

    • Taito

      girls?

  • D.R.E.

    i feel like this post was custom for me..I was just telling BNK on teh youtubes that I was working on this, and then bam..heres a Emp. Cow tut on it.

  • Zabuza0fTheMist

    forget fuzzy guard can i please see more pictures of that juri.

  • D.R.E.

    ^^have you not been reading?…thats a dude…unless your into that sort of thing…then do you.

    • ahdonye

      As long as you don’t touch your still straight

  • sp@mb0t

    google translate says its female
    http://tinyurl.com/3j66o9e

    but then what do i know

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