Evolution 2011 – Super Street Fighter 4 AE Qualifier Stats

by Keits on June 26th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

Glenn from Get Your Tournament posted some really interesting stuff on fightinggamestats.com. This list shows all players who made a top 4 finish in an Evo Tournament Season event, and what their record was. Wolfkrone is your top seed, but who else made off with tons of points? Check it out and let us know what you think.

[photo via TFApictures]

Cibernetico

Not for nothing, but I really don’t see what else there is to say about this list besides the fact that WolfKrone obviously made it out to a hell of a lot more events compared to the other players.

don’t really know how this will effect the Evolution tournament overall, but I’m sure we will still see the same old faces in the top 32-50 with some surprises in there aswell.
- Goatbot
  
  Yeh I think the list needs to be ordered in terms of % ratio if anything. This list certainly doesnt mean Wolfkrone is favourite to win Evo because people like Daigo only played twice in that list where Krone played 15 times. He still has a pretty high ratio for that though so hes still certainly capable of causing a stir at Evo. But I wouldnt say this list makes him the favourite to win it.
Windsagio

I think the whole qualifier system is standardized bracket fixing, that’s what I think!

(since you so nicely asked ><)
- Eileithyia
  
  those points system is just to make sure. American would get atleast couple players in top8.
simon_

tbh I’m never impressed with wolfkrone’s play when I see him, but he wins all the time so he must be doing something right^^
- Goatbot
  
  Yeah he just burns everything in sight with Vipers cross up flame kick hitting like 3 times leavimg a trail of charred corpses behind him as he leaves. He loves that kick, who doesnt though? Its probably the best looking special in the game.
Pryde

Who ever put the % for Justin Wong, doesn’t seem to know how to do math. 2 wins and 4 losses does not give you .500, it should give you .333.
sam1456

simon is a troll anyways wolfkrone is beast makes the other vipers free to him i hope he beats daigo
- Kream
  
  He is not touching diago… his yun will beast him all day
  - Necrophile
    
    Once Wolfkrone is more familiar with the Viper vs Yun match-up, he will do better vs Daigo.
    
    Where can I bet on Evo lol
    Cuz Wolfkrone is the safest bet to reach top 8 in AE. He’s dedicated to ONE GAME, and ONE CHARACTER.
    - Expiriment Kow
      
      Wolfkrone also has been seen playing Gouken and Dudley, bro.
- simon_
  
  I’m a troll because I’m not a fan of wolfkrone? ok….
Dj Antman

Justin needs to step his shit up, smh
- Goatbot
  
  What this table says to me is character loyalty has paid off over the course of the tournament season. Wong and Marn have both moved to new characters and have not had the same time Daigo has had with Yun after he moved from Ryu. Daigos Yun almost counts as character loyalty because hes had so long to play it in Japan.
  
  Look at just the top 10 and you can see the twins have a pretty low turn out considering everyone spends their whole lives bitching about them these days.
  - thejohnsonrock
    
    good call Goatbot. sometimes it’s like nobody believes a given character is good until they see someone who plays it loyally just say eff the matchup and i’m gonna figure something out. resourceful fighters like that push the engine to the limit in a great way.
MavFan619

Good shit to Dieminion as well.
randomjohn

The Evo points are only for seating at the event from my understanding. It just puts the player in a better position when Evo starts. That’s all (I think). Being the great players like Tokido, Mago and Daigo are, they don’t need to get a ton of seeding pts to do well at Evo.
Lvangundy

ASonsor WolfKrone pls
Lvangundy

Oops that was supposed to be “sponsor”
cjacksonCMYK

I dont know bout you guys but I’d like to see this guys hit top 8, with all the work and dedication this man has made im really hoping he pulls through with it. LETS GO KRONE!
- Necrophile
  
  Wolfkrone is more likely to hit top 8 in AE than Justin or Marn lol
  
  Justin has job/MvC3/MK9/ AE with a shitload of different characters
  
  Wolfkrone plays one game, one character
  
  Marn plays AE/MvC3 multiple teams and Marn is also wasting time playing League of Legends and streams it for everyone to see. Even Marn’s MvC3 game is deteriorating. Look at NCR9 teams grand finals… Marn got perfected 3 times in a row by Noel Brown lol
MaikkyWin

Lol min.
Icy Black Deep

I don’t even know what this is counting. I’m sure it makes some kind of sense that you could be top 4 with zero wins, I just can’t imagine what it is.
tonsetzer

I also cannot figure out this ranking. Is this the record after they made it through the pools in the tournaments?
- Warpticon
  
  What’s not to figure out? It says right there on the page that it’s the players’ records in the top 4 of Evo Tournament Season tournaments.
NuSix3

Whoever said the point system is fixing is right – it’s fixed so the best players can get seeded early and spread out so they don’t all end up in the same pool DUH! How fair would it be to win 2 majors like Wolfkrone or only to go to Evo and find out Justin Wong is in your bracket? Morons…
Spooty Whiteboy

I think it is a list of how many wins/losses they had ONCE they made it to Top 4. So, the people who have 0 Wins/1 Lose, managed to lose their 1st match in Top 4 the one time they got there.
Windsagio

Somebody else mentioned, the quality of the tournaments varies WIDELY.
Overworld

What a lot of people don’t realize is having a tournament seeded helps out non-seeded players too. By spreading out the top players as much as possible in a bracket a non top player has to make fewer upsets to advance. For example let’s say there is 8 top players in the country who are spread out into 8 different pools, then you’d only have one “top” player in your pool, you would stand a much better chance of qualifying in that pool. With seeding the only time you’d run into a bunch of the most skilled players is by advancing deep into the tournament.

So try not to think of it as fixing. Sure Daigo and Krone facing each other first round could help you out, but with random seeding there’s also the chance you get much harsher brackets as well. It is to your advantage to only run into a multiple tournament winning player only a few times in your bracket.
- Windsagio
  
  it was done because so many ‘top players’ complained about being wiped out in the death pool last year.
  
  It might help ‘lesser’ players, it might not, like you said, it’s random.
  
  It will certainly help *seeded* players by making them not have to worry about that bad luck. They’re guaranteed an easier pool.
  
  So you have group “A”, who it might help and might not.
  
  Then you have group “B”, who it will definitely help, and who also are muuuuch more likely to be friends and acquaintences (sp) of the tournament organizers. It isn’t exactly rocket science.
  - Eileithyia
    
    there is no guarantee easier pool for even Wolfkrone. Random players from Asia that have no point, but very good players. Evo has no idea what to do with them. just like last year. i think gamerbee was on pool of death.
    
    Alot of very good American players have little or no point also who can beat Wolfkrone. like marn has little point or Hsien Chang has no point. evo can’t rank him high since he has no point. You can’t really argue about it if wolfrone has to play marn, Hsien Chang, someone godlike from singapore or something in pool.
    - Windsagio
      
      its a conceptual thing really, don’t like the idea of TO’s jiggering the system for their peeps.
      
      Yeah, Gamerbee was in the bad pool (I was too, lol, did NOT last long ). My friend was the judge too. The amount of entitled whining from some of those guys was truly amazing (Things like holding up the pool when it was frozen because they HAD to be on the main screen, or being really really late, and then asses about it, but that’s kind of an Evo tradition for morning pools)
style210

If its anything like last year there will be 60+ pools with a crap load of players in each pool. It its seeded and you go out of your way to put 2 top players in each pool it essentially means that those 2 top player will completely decimate the pool and then face each other with both players advancing to the 2nd day. This year instead of getting killed by people you know, you’ll get killed by people you don’t know and if you do REALLY REALLY good, you’ll win enough to get raped by one of the top players in your pool…lol. I like it, Its really gonna be interesting on day 2 because we’ll be able to see the players we want to see vs other players we want to see, instead of have 10 top players in 1 bracket only for them to beat each other out and for use to be robbed of good viewing. I’m hoping EVO is half as competitive as Shadoloo Showdown was. That top 16 was one of the sickest things I’ve EVER seen. It really made ECT look low tier
badroc

DAMN! Wolfkrone goes to a lot of tourny’s…and his side burns are epic!
Astrofunkula

I doubt a Viper player will win Evo
hikodavid

Seriously, I think we all know who is favorite to win AE.
- YanDaMan
  
  Whoever he is, he aint American thats for sure, LMAO.
OldSchool99

Are these tournaments random or is there a set location? Looking at the MK9 finals I could probably have won that.
mr. tibbs

The seeding thing doesn’t seem to work as well in gaming like this, b/c it simply favors quantity over quality. If the only tournaments weighted were part of a series of mandatory attendance events, then the seeding would make sense. But that’s not how it works, so the seeding doesn’t make sense.

Like Eileithyia metioned, there are some notably absent names on that list: Mago and Hsien Chang, anyone? What if Wolfkrone draws one of those “low” seeded players for his first match?

Yeah, kind of a silly system.
- ShinjiGohan
  
  seeding works similar to the evo north/south/east/west or the apex style. The tournaments that give out seeding points were layed out months ago before the “evo season” began. Its not wolfkrones fault that other players didn’t bother to show. He showed up to as many of the specified events as possible and won a lot of them. Even won one of the online tournaments. To reward him he gets seeded higher than people who didn’t receive as many points or any points at all.
  
  But unlike previous years he isn’t skipping pools, he’ll just be more likely to be in a pool with less talent than other pools thus increasing his chances for making it out of pools.
ShinGouki00

mashonwakeupkrone is gonna get bodied at evo?

does no one remember how many times he’s gotten his shit pushed in by Flash?
Akae47

People can say whatever they want wolfkrone only beats B class calibur players. He has not consistently beating players such ass mike ross, valle, ortiz, artucro, tokido diago, mago even pr rog. Call me whatever you want. Wolfkrone isn’t winning evo. Just because your super dedicated to a game and would play anyone ft10 for $1 don’t make you a favorite. He’s free in pressure situations. In high pressure situations, when he’s on the losing side he’s a fuck up. Start to anaylze these players habits and patterns you will see what I mean.
- Windsagio
  
  *caveat everybody in any of these is better than me*
  
  OK anyways, I love the guy and he’s a great player, but he’s been doing really well in a bunch of lower quality tourneys (dude would have had trouble making top16 at SS)
  
  Some kind of ranking of competition might help the situation a little bit.
- style210
  
  I don’t understand how players who don’t play in high level tourneys, can call other players B class. A year ago WolfKrone was a pretty much unknown player. He has done EVERYTHING expected of him to transition to becoming a legitimate threat and arguable the best player in the US right now. Yet for some reason people want to consistently compare him to other players. The dude is playing on a different level right now and you bring up mike ross, Valle, Ricky, PR Rog, and Japanese players. I don’t get it.
  
  He’s not a favorite because he plays money matches he’s a favorite because hes by far the MOST dedicated to the game in the US right now. And its shown in his ridiculous improvement. He’s not free in pressure situations, look back at how he out footsied PR Rog in finals, or how he slowed the pace down vs guys like VanGief, Aquasilk, J Wong etc. Or the ridiculous pace he sets vs Rick O or Daigo’s Yun. Win or lose this guy is really good playing any style. Its impressive as hell. He lost great matches to Mago and Daigo but it clearly shows that he NOT FREE, he’s not a fuck up. He likes the competition and he’s only getting better. While you’re analyzing patterns I’ll watch the match… I’m sure hundreds of other players have analyzed his patterns as well and STILL LOST. He makes huge improvements. All you have to do is watch the Krone v Vangief match then fast forward to yesterdays Krone v. Aquasilk matchup. Silk clearly learned what Krone did wrong vs Vangief and went in and took the first round easy because Krone played him like he did vance. Then Krone made the necessary changes and dominated the rest of the set. Its impressive stuff.
  
  TLDR
  Stop hating and start enjoying the scene. If you don’t like Krone fine, but don’t hate on his goal to be the best. He’s doing everything right
  - Zmoney2006
    
    ^^ This ^^
- SynKyller
  
  Out of that list you put up, Josh has not beat Ricky, Tokido, Daigo and Mago. every one else you listed, josh has beaten consistently both online and offline tournaments. Also like some one said, ‘krone adapts to his opponent and is very versatile to his play style. I am not going to feed you any more because its close to midnight and you know what happens to Mogwais after midnight. Give a dude his props. if you get 1st at any major, you have to face several really good players and win. PERIOD!
  - style210
    
    I agree with this. And out of this list, of players that Krone hasn’t beaten, I feel like Ricky is the hardest matchup. It really looks like Ricky seems to excel vs Krones style. But anyway. The moral of this story is trolls need to stop trolling. Go Home and be a family man. If this was JWong showing up to every Major and dominating in the fashion that Krone has been, people would be saying hes got the eye of the tiger… That he’s gunning for Daigo and he’s going to defend our terf…etc. Krone does it and a million excuses show up as to why he’s not as good as the results he’s consistently displaying. Get over it. Krone is your favorite fighters, favorite fighter. HOLD DAT
    - Akae47
      
      You know what Style210, I agree with you. Pardon me I’m so used to the trolls on this site I realized my own message was “troll like”. Let me paraphrase my earlier statement. I dont believe wolfkrone may win evo because of matches I seen him struggle in against against players of his caliber or better. No hate just a observation of mine from watching him play various people online and off. To clarify with you Style210 and Synkiller I’m no hater of the community when I’m a actual contributor especially back in the earlier 2000′s when ST 3s and CVS2 was the top games to play. I played in Evo East and I participate at Guard Crush, and 8 on the break here in the NY/NJ area whenever I have time. But once again I’m no hater so I will humbly apologize if I came off as one. I appreciate the comment you made style210 corrected me with class. thank you kind sir
      - style210
        
        we’re all entitled to opinions and thats ok, I just feel like in order to be take seriously the opinion should be FAIR. Truth is, he’s tearing shit up right now. As far as american players go, I’m putting my faith in guys like PR Rog, Ricky O, and Krone will do well in bringing the title back. Especially after seeing the competition at Shadowloo Showdown. The international community is ferocious. But let be honest, as good as a lot of the players are they are just playing their characters. Viper is an amazing character in that she can play offense and defense, as well as anyone but you can’t unlock her ability without a considerable amount of execution. Its easy to do dive kick, target combo, special. Thats why the twin never really impress me. But to execute at this high a level, while still out thinking your opponent is pretty sick. I do agree that he tends to struggle vs some matchups but EVERYONE does..lol. Overcoming tough matchups is what makes good players great. I mean, honestly how long has it been seen we’ve seen something like this…
        
        But yeah, no disrespect. I though you were trolling. I guess its all good now. I hope Poongko comes to EVO. Rep that Seth
    - Akae47
      
      I stand corrected.
Clear Sky

Some of those match statistics on that website are crazy. While it’s kind of cool to know how many EXs both players used and built in a set, actually counting those variables seems like a tedious way to know whether or not a player managed their meter and used it well in a set.
dommafia

is there a place to see the actual evo points accumulated by players?