MvC3 – The First Meeting of Justin Wong and Daigo

SaltyKracka

Wong fucked up. Twice. That’s all it takes in Mahvel.

MagicalSoldier1

DAIGO!!!!!!

ChibiMana

That was funny lol. Thats Marvel 3 for ya though.

TrollThisSRK

ten bucks said daigo wanted to demon that wiffed supper but didn’t know how in this game…

Big3D

WTF?!
He didnt know how?!?!… you do realize he does play this game.
Archon

I wouldn’t be surprised if Raging Demon would have wiffed. She-Hulk was already lying on the ground and Demon takes frames to travel across the stage. Why risk her possibly jumping out when you can make her hold plasma?

Ultrabison

Lol that was awsome.

juggernaut1981

No need to panic, but we do have a problem.

takeurlife2

DAIGO IS SCARY MAN. He got a happy birthday then chipped out with lvl 3 xfactor akuma. That’s not scary.

Jourdal

true, i really don’t know why this is being hyped, though i can imagine a lesser player failing at this runback and losing.

Kageromaru Sho

I feel J Wong’s pain. It’s hard to attack a laming Akuma w/meter AND X-factor. I guess I should be somewhat glad that even he has trouble with this match-up, but on the other hand, what does one do about it when you no longer have the life lead?

visionfreemind

A “laming” Akuma when jwong uses Wolv? HAHAHAH nice.
- Kageromaru Sho
  
  Hmmm…good point!
- Archon
  
  Not to mention Akuma.
GM Dak

You mean there’s a drawback to using level 1 x-factor? Somebody go tell all the online wolverines!

tilopud_rye

When I watch the video I see more talent through Justins moves- he was only getting wiped out by level 3 xfactor, but throughout the match displayed a greater amount of agression and understanding of the game. When I see Daigo play I can imagine myself winning a match against him. He only beat Wong by luck of hitting the assist after the 3xfactor. Wong took out 2/3 of his team with level 1 factor. I’m sure if he saved it to 3 this would have been a slaughterfest.

Jourdal

While I agree this is nothing special, he’s not exactly free. He made top 8 in a tourney with some of WCs finest.
- voodoochild346
  
  only because he played none to get there due to his undeserved #2 seed. meanwhile clockwork gets a #6.
LanHikari

i think you watched a different match… J-Wong used level1 x-f cause he screwed the hyper when he tried to make a reset with she-hulk and then dhc with Wolv, daigo could have punished J. wong easily!

In fighting games there is no luck, players just create opportunities… look how daigo played with akuma, confusing J wong with footsies spacing perfectly with fireballs and punishing wolv´s dive kick, he proved that you dont have to be an agressive player to win

People doesnt understand that fighting games are not about beeing stylish or agressive, its all about winning no matter what.
- Archon
  
  Agreed. When I see Daigo’s Akuma coming onscreen, I see a player who knows he is at a disadvantage but refuses to give up. I see him playing safe, spacing himself and setting up opportunities that will not backfire and looking for his opportunity to turn the tide.
  
  Justin did the same thing during the MK9 finals at UFGT7. He got assaulted by Michaelangelo’s Kabal due to what most would consider abuse of a seemingly insurmountable, seemingly infinite block-string. In my mind I thought, “That is shameful, relying on an infinite during a tournament. Well, it’s over for Justin.” I gave up… and I was only a spectator! Justin refused to give up. He analyzed what Michaelangelo was doing and found ways around the block-string.
  
  This is an incredible match. Two titans, great mix-ups, great footsies, great play, great comeback, huge hype. In other words, dat Mahvel.

PurpleLemonadeGGPO

Welcome to America Daigo? That’s so offensive. The FGC needs to act more professional.

simon_

that has nothing to do with the fighting game community. everybody knows about americas sportsmanship
- PurpleLemonadeGGPO
  
  but what about glorious nippon?
  - Svenuser
    
    NIPPON
- AMEnoMURAKUMO
  
  It still doesn’t make it OK. Grow up, people.
ironboy89

The FGC will would have to stop bitching about Japan vs America. Which won’t happen.

That’s when SRK doesn’t put a rage articles like they did after CEO.
CoXLaP6

offensive?? im pretty sure the non-black sayin “nigga nigga nigga” is worse.. fuck daigo
- YanDaMan
  
  Maybe if those ghetto ass niggas didnt keep repeating that words to themselves all the fucking times, us non-blacks wouldnt be saying niggas to ridicule them.
  
  Just saying.
ifridflame

No need to complain, pal. Anyway, the americans can trash talking as much as they want. At the end, they loss always anyway XP

Lazir

It doesnt matter what happened. Daigo won and Justin lost. Even if he used a cheap tactic justin had the ability to do the same and it was Justin’s fault for not doing so. He was out played

xero15

I wouldnt really call that being outplayed. True that’s part of the game but up till that lucky double kill Daigo was getting his shit pushed in.
ChibiMana

He was not out played…. He just lost.

NinjaJesus13

Daigo and J.Wong fight starts at 4:50

pratmaN

Justin was just careless with his assist calls. He mad a mistake and payed for it. Not unlucky, just messed up. Shulk torpedo assist can create unblockables, but she is very vulnerable in the process. Sure Daigo was lucky that Jwong screwed up, but he took advantage of the situation like anyone should.

Atomic Moth

Is there any footage of the AE match that knocked Justin out of that tournament?

CSword123

Justin didn’t convert some of his combos. Compare this to how he played in finals where he tore Tin up. Justin may have been nervous fighting Daigo but he surely didn’t do the same at top 8 singles.

dreamboi

Okay, it’s official capcom has really dumb down everyone where their surprised that comebacks are happening because of a comeback mechanic? Really?

Plus, who cares if diago or other Japanese players are winning at mvc3. Fuck sake….. the game is Japanese friendly and is completely different from all vs games.

lol. damn

Jourdal

Lol what does japanese friendly even mean…you know capcom is a japanese dev for the most part right?
krknight

“japanese friendly?” really? what the fuck is “japanese friendly?” you’re talking about players who practice 8-10 hours a day. you’re talking about an army of people like desk and wong.

if you’re ignorant, you can’t be helped this far from shore. if you’re trolling (which i hope is the case for the sake of all humanity that nobody is that stupid), you’re seriously detracting from everything that’s going on. either way, comments like yours causes all of the bitterness around here. capcom has been creating idiot-friendly games because they know people like you are a dime a dozen.

dreamboi

Basically japan is taking the tvc2/cvm3 title, not mvc title. the statement 10 years has completely nothing to do with the mvc3. Maybe 1 or 2 years of the release of tvc, but nothing more.

thank you.

metaXzero

Considering that the Vs. series has changed alot over the years (including MvC1), I’m going to use your logic to say the mvc2 title instead of the sweeping mvc title

mmm’kay?

Maverick8

They played again you guys and Jwong won. So they’re even as of now. No big surprise.

Son of a Gun

“I see more talent through Justin Wong(..)”
“Justin was just careless(…)”
“Daigo used cheap tactics(…)”
I don’t have that much experience with MvC3 so I’m not talking about that. But what’s irritating me is this ‘versus Japan’ bs. Why are people talking as if Justin did something wrong and Daigo is some scrub that just got lucky. Both are top players and both deserve credit.
And sorry if I quoted someone unrightfully, I was just trying to illurstrate the general consensus.

Jourdal

Well daigo did get very lucky, and wong did mess up. But because of that publicity stunt of a video that no one should take seriously…it’s bigger than it is. Daigo’s supposedly free at this game for only making top 8 at his first major. From what i saw he has some fancy combos but he doesn’t know the game well. Just as justins focus has been marvel and mk these past few months, daigos has been AE his BP goes up every week so we know what game he’s playing most for the most part.

Thancruz

the vs. Japan thing is what people would call a rivalry, something to boost the competitive spirit. It’s not like these are going to war or anything lol. Justin did his thing in teams and then x-ray with the gdlk ammy.

Vastago

Lol After watching the match, the only thing i can say is, Why didnt Daigo win the MvC3 tournament??

His footsies were amazing, he stood in front of one of the best wolverines and read him correctly, when akuma got out of the corner, Justin was being too careful, almost as if he knew, he could get fucked up in one move, and thats what happened…

But if we analize everything…

1.- Daigos Wolverine gets air grabbed and we know what happens when you get air brabbed in this game.

2.- Dante dies in a deadly mix up. You know one of those mix ups that are so easy to set up with Wolvie + anybody in this game (same bullshit that killed justin wong at CEO).

3.- Akuma wainting for a mistake, while he waits, he blocks correctly everytime, Wolverine does his dive kick and call his assist at the same time, he gets raped by Daigo, he was waiting for that , and then justin makes another mistakes with Shulk, and he gets chipped to death.

So Justin didnt out-play Daigo, and Daigo did what he always do, he controlled the match.

Fo me Daigo was smarter, and he is the underdog in this game (as opposed to us being the underdog in AE, because you know, the general american public has been playing with the game for very little time)

FranciscoShreds

why didn’t daigo win? because floe and xray scraped him pretty free. Floe put him in losers braket in pools and Xray took him out in top 8. lamerboi had chances to take him out in pools but he choked it up twice. Daigo was pretty solid tho, his dante was pretty legit too, almost had a chance for a comeback with a level 3 at the end but dropped a follow up.

Honestly, this video doesn’t show anything other than the fact that the random aspect of marvel is still there and has been amplified to an extent. justin made a bet that Shulk AA grab super would be invincible enough to grab akuma through his beam super, it wasn’t. he payed for it. add that to other bad guesses and he loses to chip when he could have just lamed it out with his full team. Daigo shoulda been the one taking the risks to approach wolvie.

In the end, justin scraped daigos team in teams (when noel wasn’t OCV’ing them) and came back in losers singles as well to take the marvel win. just like every other tourney that he’s won by getting randomed out early and come back in losers to take the whole thing. just how marvel works.
axi0m

That seems like a rather accurate analysis. I’m free to these guys either way, though I’d like to see more than just Wolverine + random x2 other character teams.
- clue2025
  
  Won’t happen. Game is NOT as balanced as everyone claimed, the best characters were being found immediately after release, and now its becoming pretty damn obvious how shallow and how unbalanced the game really is.
- Godly-Effect
  
  Wolverine, Wekser, Magneto or Sentinal. Take your pick.

Chairman

OMG HE HIT HIM ONCE IN X-FACTOR AND KILLED 2 CHARACTERS!!
HOOOLY SHIT!
AND THEN HE RAN AWAY AND CHIPPED HIM DEATH!!! NO WAY!!!

Man, the beginning of marvel3 matches are so good, with the spacing, zoning and footsies and all that jazz… aaaaaaand then it just goes to crap. It’s almost like you want to lose 2 characters just so you can lvl 3 x factor and win.

Idk, I probably just don’t get it.

white shadow

@ Chariman- You’re not supposed to “get it” the game is simply retarded, esp. when smart people show you just how exploitative and stupid the game is.

I’m glad my prediction about Daigo being the one who will truly exploit X-factor canceling to the fullest rang through. That’s basically what the game will be reduced to at the highest level.

Rock, Paper, Scissors VS Capcom 3
- metaXzero
  
  What the heck did Daigo do new with Xfactor to need his name to be thrown out.

TrueSephiroth

I’ve said it since DAY 1 when hearing about the TatsuMarvel vs Capcom 2 errmmm…3 game.

This shit has allowed the japanese players to now become competitive with the US players due to the fact it no longer plays like a True Marvel vs Game. If it was a True Marvel vs Game…No japanese player would even be breathing in the Top-8, bet on that. 1996 all the way through to MvC2 has proven that.

With the new scrubby system set up similar to TvC and one of the dumbest universal options ever conceived by Capcom, this game is completely laughable.

X-Factor makes comebacks way too easy, and makes coming back from being 2 vs 1 to 3 vs 1 pedestrian. It’s almost unbearable to watch this, considering I’m a huge fan of the Marvel vs Series and MvC3 looks nothing like a real Marvel vs Game besides being labeleld Marvel vs Capcom 3.

Shits ridiculous with the X-Factor, considering you actually have some decent play but bam…activate X-Factor…xxx…combo into super =’s dead character. I no longer play competitively anymore but when I watch these current “new generation” fighter games that has stupid shit like this I just simply shake my head going “Wtf happened”.

This shit needs to be fixed asap.

axi0m

I’ve beaten quite a few lvl3 XFC Dark Phoenix without using XFC myself by players that are definitely better than me…. XFC isn’t really that broken of a mechanic if you know how to play keep away… or at least have a team that can do so. There is still a lot of depth to the game aside from the randomness factor, if anything the randomness forces you to think and react much quicker than you would.

Other fighting games don’t have nearly the same risk/reward ratio for mistake making, like SFIV I’ve made mistakes, eaten Ultra’s and still come back for a pretty large margin win, and vice versa. MvC3 just has a much much harsher punishment for execution errors and not being able to think or react quickly.

While I agree there is some BS randomness (like I know if Sentinel touches me in the hands of a decent player with XFC available that character is dead unless the simple combo is dropped) but that’s also part of the nature of the game as I was explaining before.

There is a large difference between risks and calculated risks, knowing this difference and adapting it to your playstyle is what will level up your game…. that or tier whoring either one.
- axi0m
  
  On a side note I’ve played every one of the VS series religiously aside from TvC (I’m still a huge fan of MvC2 but that’s because I mained Thanos for some odd reason and he’s not in 3 sadly) So I’m not “fresh” on the scene, I took an extended break from the community and came back for SFIV and now Marvel 3.
krknight

“this shit has allowed the japanese players to now become competitive with the US players… no japanese player would even be breathing in the top-8…”

i think you’re a little off the path here. this has allowed EVERYONE and not just the japanese to be more competitive. wong got sent to loser’s at norcal by tinh who is not a japanese player, i believe tinh is actually from norcal. i don’t know if he was a former mvc2 player or not, but he definitely wasn’t a top 8 mvc2 player. granted wong pulled a “great white hype” on his ass in the grand finals, but that is besides the point, point being mvc3 makes anyone have a better chance and not just the japanese.

iirc, there was a kid who came from canada and did some damage at wednesday night fights, at least moreso than anything both the sedin twins could do here in the states. another non-top 8 player, this time from canada and again, not from japan.

anyway, to even allude to this game catering to the japanese in any way is really misleading. someone on here mentions virtua fighter and makes a good point about the game just having a larger following there than here. they did make the recent addition with easier grab breaks, but i doubt that would be in consideration of catering to an american market. i think sega is losing out right now, so they’re going to make the game easier for everyone and not just here in america.

finally, marvel comics was not popular in japan. now that the marvel movies have been released (all after mvc2), there is some familiarity with the characters, hence a bit more gravity towards the series in japan. with tatsunoko, they grew up with the those characters. i doubt game mechanics had much to do with the game’s popularity compared to familiarity with characters they’ve known since childhood. i never even heard of tatsunoko until after the game was released to the wii.
- Good Game Player
  
  tinh actually made grand finals at ncr7 mvc2

Super Scrub

WE GOT BEEEEMZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Gaijin87

Are people implying that Capcom made MvC3 more like TvC so that Japanese players would be more competitive in US tournaments?? Japanese-friendly??

TrueSephiroth

It’s not japanese-friendly, let me explain.

The Marvel vs Series original system was something that Japanese players were never that good or dominant at, and something that the US players broke down into a science, hence why since the days of XvsSF onward, they have never beaten us consistently whatsoever.

We were so dominant even our Non-Top-Tier players would wreck their Best Marvel players. However with the concept of it being more TvC, and its a system in which the Japanese players to some extent have shown more then capable of being able to break down. Not to mention its 10x easier to learn then the original Marvel vs Series system, its allowed them to be able to access the game and a greater pace and making them competitive.

That’s the difference right there. Again, make this game like the Real Marvel vs Series, and the Top-8 would be bracketed with nothing but US players, however with it no longer playing true to the Marvel vs Series, with things like X-Factor making 1 vs 2 and even 1 vs 3 comebacks a ball park run it clearly helps out the Japanese players in their push to be competitive here.

Look to MvC2 as an example…how hard was it to win 1 vs 2? Incredibly hard, hence why what Wong did back in 2007 was Ridiculous. However how many times within just one tournament of MvC3 do we see 1 vs 2 come from behind or 1 vs 3 in comparison? The differential is there.

Marvel not playing like Marvel evened the playing field for not just japanese players but anyone else to hang with the US players.
- Deddjay
  
  Are we so certain that we can say the normal “vs” was something the japanese weren’t good at? From what I’ve heard countless times, the vs games in and of themselves weren’t popular in Japan at -all-. And without a scene to push players to get good, it stands to reason they wouldn’t be able to complete in a pre-youtube/online gaming era.
  
  Personally, I think we’re just a little too high on the horse with this issue, and blaming the new system for the Japanese starting to catch up.
Gaijin87

On second thought, I’ll take the glass half-full approach and assume that Capcom, trying to appeal to a larger audience, including Japan, made the game like TvC to capitalize on sales. As an unintentional side-effect, they allowed Japanese players to almost instantly be on a level close to top players in MvC2, which is essentially a game related by name only. I guess I can understand the resulting frustration.
- Gaijin87
  
  Sorry, we were typing at the same time. Your explanation is solid.
Deddjay

Yes. And it is a sad claim indeed. I for one speculate that they gave it the ” comeback factor” so that newer players wouldn’t be having their shit constantly pushed in by the more experienced players from MvC2. It’s something that I can appreciate to a certain degree.

Jandek

cool match, but justin played him again in semi finals and won I believe…

Jandek

i am completely aware that the US held it down very strong in MARVEL 2, but what is this innate skill you speak of that the US possessed and the Japanese aren’t good at? I am just curious what it is and why the Japanese never had “it”. I mean this honestly and not sarcastically.

It just seems to me that any reason other than lack of player participation really adds up…

TrueSephiroth

We cared about the Marvel vs series and the games more so then Japan did, plain and simple. We had a much, much stronger scene then they did, and it all adds up. All of this accumulates to why we dominated the Japanese players in the Marvel vs Series since its conception.

There’s no huge formula or hide behinds.
- Gaijin87
  
  It’s probably conceivable that the Japanese feel the same way about a game like Virtua Fighter in Japan like the US does for MvC2. For the most part the US has not really developed a hard core and large scene devoted to the game like Japan has. If Sega released Virtua Fighter 6 and it played like the SF series and suddenly Justin was considered a top Virtua Fighter player, I bet there would be some resentment there as well among the top VF players.

Archon

From, “Welcome to America!” to, “Chip this *****!” Crowds are fickle.

Noodlz

Lame. 1 match in MVC means jack. between top players it’s like flipping a coin for the first game for mvc3. If Daigo manages to beat Jwong in a best out of 3 then yeah, maybe he’s pretty good at marvel. Guess we’ll have to wait till evo to see if he’ll make top 8. Imma laugh my ass off tho if he doesn’t make top 8 (for all u daigo nuthuggers out there)

kingsharkboi

Weee I’m in the end haha, and shoutouts to kbeast for using that camera/phone to record the match at an angle. gave those of us in the back of the crowd a way to watch the game clearly while still being there!

And guys, for those of you who wanna see the 2nd Wong vs Daigo match in MVC3, go to this stream and skip to 1:05:30
http://www.justin.tv/iplaywinner/b/288425323

In the crowd, nobody was really biased against either player, we were just happy to see them run it back. To Daigo’s credit though, he can still pull out a wakeup Umeshoryu even in this game.

abkallday

Ok

Jandek

cool, that makes sense and lines up with my understanding

a simple passion and determination at the game the Japanese did not possess

eltwopee

http://youtu.be/auIr2Ws5CaA another match of daigo