Dead or Alive Dimensions Banned in Sweden

Keranata

Good shit, I’m more interested in this game now

Yin

Yet Arcana Heart 3 is still set to release lol

Anyway, here something someone in the comments of the linked article wrote:
“Some guy at a free speech forum decided he would report this game and the distributor to the police just to show how out of hand and stupid the law has become.

the swedish distributor got cold feet and decided to pull the game, so at this time we will not see a court decide if video game characters are child porn or not.”

Nitro263

Maybe because there’s nothing remotely pornographic about Arcana Heart 3? O_o

Guilty

Makes me kinda wonder whether or not they’ll ban SCV as well. Afterall, in SCIV you could strip any character down to their undies while customizing them. I’m sure it will still be possible in SCV.

d3v

Funny thing is, I believe the age of consent in Sweden is something like 15 or 16, which is below the characters listed ages.

Yin

It’s 15, but you must be 18 to be featured in any pornographic context.
The problem is it obviously shouldn’t apply to imaginary characters.
- ShawnMcCool
  
  You’re completely ignoring the psychological ramifications of depicting children as sexual objects even if the children are hand drawn imagery. There have been many studies that show that repeated sexual arousal over a subject material further embeds that sexual association into the psychology of the individual. Pedophiles have time and time again reported that society time and time again shoves the concept of child sexuality in their faces and then they’re somehow to completely protect themselves from the exposure. It is without a doubt against the best interest for a society to nullify the triggers that exaggerate and amplify sexual attitudes towards children.
  
  Depending on the age of a child they have little to NO capacity to protect themselves. In a simplified way one could argue that animated child pornography or even animated child sexuality is a victim-less crime. However, when creating legislation law makers must analyze the scientific research seriously and determine the consequences to society. This is one area in which a superficial analysis may result in a verdict of injustice. However, as more focus and energy are placed into the analysis it becomes clear that this is something that has a very real affect. The trade-off simply isn’t there.
  
  The responsible thing to do would be for “artists” to simply stop making children into sexual objects. There are plenty of ways to engage various immature demographics that cause less harm to those who are unable to defend themselves.
  - Inverse
    
    No offense, you’re going to have to show me research that watching animated porn featuring young children to be a significant cause of pedophilia or actual rise in child abuse. Like, any source would be appreciated. Until then it’s honestly no different to me than more emotional triggers in society related to anything sexual or violent. After being raised in a world where I was told violent material would make me violent~ I seriously doubt sexual material in the same aspect of fantasy would make me any more deviant. I am no more likely to cut off some guys head off playing Mortal Kombat as I am to touch a kid for watching loli porn. People need to learn to deal with their buttons in my opinion. Seriously. The act of child pornography is disgusting, it should be tried and punished~ but your judgment and opinion on anything that resembles the topic is sensationalist to the extreme.
  - the7k
    
    My thoughts exactly. If anything, we need to have stronger laws and harsher punishments concerning victimless crimes.
    
    You do realize the same shit you just spat out of your mouth has been said time and time again by the likes of Jack Thompson and the Bong Water Brigade about violent video games, right?
    - ShawnMcCool
      
      It’s not sensationalist. Simple google searches can yield the results that you’re looking for.
      
      Also, exposure to violent media is does in FACT increase aggression. It’s a scientific fact that you can’t just deny. We as a society determine that the consequences are acceptable and that’s perfectly fine. If we’re comfortable in suggesting that we NEED 12 year olds wearing frilly panties with huge tits so that we can jerk off and that the consequences are acceptable then I guess your logic makes sense.
      
      The biggest difference is that children tend to be affected significantly more by exposure to violent media and adults tend to be affected significantly more by their sexuality.
      
      I’m not trying to troll you. I’m just saying that it’s irrational to argue with science. I’m of the opinion that a properly enforced rating system is the appropriate solution for the most influential aspects of media. I don’t think that creating children as sexual objects has any merit and I have certainly had enough exposure to pedophiles to be aware of how pervasive these things are.
      
      Could we statistically reduce violence by reducing violent media? yes. do we want to? no
      Could we statistically reduce the amount of sexual disorders by preventing people from creating and distributing child pornography in any form? Yes.. do we want to? Maybe you don’t…
      
      Let’s be honest with ourselves.. There’s a reason that the definition of child pornography is more broad than that of adult pornography.
      
      Overly simplified viewpoints lead us to libertarian philosophies where we’re too myopic about an individual’s situation to understand a sociological perspective.
      
      I highly suggest picking up a psychological text about how sexual arousal can be used to alter one’s perspective in Pavlovian style. This is something that most undergrads never have exposure to.
  - shaktazuki
    
    I believe you have presented a substantial argument for your position, and I believe greater attention should be paid to it.
    
    However, a word of caution – there are a great many assumptions and value judgements built into your argument that many might not share.

Tom.

I feel like this entire post should be quoted here on SRK.

mudjah Yesterday at 05:56 PM

“Being swedish I would like say something about this.

Sweden has rather strict laws against child pornography, and that is great and I am all for it, but…

But in recent times people have been brought to court just for owning manga picturing young cartoon characters in some kind of sexual context, and this has gone so far that artists are scared of how their art is being interpreted and so on. Right now displaying classic art picturing naked kids could be subject for police arrests.

Some guy at a free speech forum decided he would report this game and the distributor to the police just to show how out of hand and stupid the law has become.

the swedish distributor got cold feet and decided to pull the game, so at this time we will not see a court decide if video game characters are child porn or not.

Sweden really needs to test a case like this in high court, otherwise people, filmmakers, artists or video game makers will continue to be very nervous and we are back in eighties crazy censorship times all again.

The game is in no way child porn, hell, I even own a dead or alive game, I wish a court could decide upon this once for all, so I don’t have to worry the police to come and arrest me for owning pedo-porn, but I guess nintendo sweden didnt want their product to be the subject for such legal experiment.”

Cyric

While I think that banning the game is an over reaction, I can see why some authorities may see elements of pedo-ness.
While the female characters may have mature bodies, thier faces resemble children. No accident, considering the game is Japanese.
- Inverse
  
  The act of stabbing someone in the chest with a sword in a fighting game visually represents murder, but it doesn’t otherwise condone it.

Yin

I can point out this was all a gray area and the extent of the law was unknown/untested until a manga translator was prosecuted by his spiteful ex to gain custody of a child or some shit like that.
The guy shoulda waited until DoA was released to report the game, would have been more impactful.

GangstaBlack

thought it was suppose to be banned in Australia…

OH WAIT

that’s for violence. Sorry MK9

Adnan199X

Did you guys know that the main character, Ayane – the purple haired chicked with the biggest boobs in the game – is supposed to be 16?

lol, regardless, DOA still shouldn’t be banned as ‘child porn’, there’s nothing even resembling what I assume what child porn is supposed to be like. It would also surely open up a door to many similar games, heck perhaps even comics, manga or other media, being labelled in the same way?

ShawnMcCool

Much manga SHOULD be labelled in the same way. The Japanese have an obsession with sexualizing pre-pubescent girls.
- Inverse
  
  You honestly need to learn to define what Child Porn is. You pick the fight with the wrong aspect of this topic. If you have issues with CP~ your war should be with CP. Not fictionalized stories and artwork. You’re no better than Lieberman and others fighting violence through proxy by engaging in video game and film violence as a source of the activity itself. You can try to censor the eyes of people all day, villains that engage in CP, in the taking of these pictures and films and abuse of children do not make it a habit to read this material. They have sources to get what they want and even if every single piece of youth oriented adult manga were to be eradicated, CP will still exist~ it may not if you aimed your crosshairs properly.
  - Nitro263
    
    This is on point. Sexual deviants that get off on children existed a long time before animation of any sort. Murder and violence existed well before violent films, to say nothing of video games.
    
    Besides, the responsibility is on the individual to maintain boundaries between fantasy and reality. Playing Street Fighter or Yakuza doesn’t make me go out and fight people at random, playing GTA doesn’t make me steal cars or murder people. Playing DOA doesn’t make me go out and look for a real 16 year old with huge tits to have sex with.
    
    The virtual entertainment that you enjoy has nothing to do with your morality in real life, or your lack of it. If anyone chooses to commit a heinous act, “media made me do it” is nothing but an excuse fabricated to avoid blame. Even if you watch actual lolicon hentai, that’s no reason for not being able to tell right from wrong.
    
    Besides, in the case of fictional characters and these fictional characters especially, age is literally nothing but a number. If I knew nothing about the characters’ backstory, and saw Ayane in some adult oriented manga, the last thing I’d think is “oh, she’s underage”. That she’s listed as 16 is completely arbitrary, because she’s fictional, and has the body of a fantasy woman that doesn’t exist.
- KarateLincoln
  
  Cool racism bro

Goatbot

Ha I have to laugh at the stupid idiots on the comments on that page that are going on about “Europe” being so prudish. Like those 3 countries cover the whole of Europe. That part of Europe is Scandanavia. I hear they can be pretty crazy over there.

Technically seeing as the characters arent real they dont actually have an age. All they have to do is hike up the ages on the characters by 1 or 2 years. Its not like theyve aged at all from other DoAs so its probably time for them to celebrate a couple of birthdays.

Castigation

Holy hell, my home country gets to be the retarded one for once.

Breeze

Meh, good riddance. DoA is a skankfest anyway – same reason I don’t touch AH3.

deice-

Well, wasn’t there some guy in the USA who got charged with CP for possession of manga (of the pornographic variety). Maybe someone should report the game to the US authorities next?

Completely silly law if you ask me. There is no victim in imaginary porn, and prosecutions like this hit a bit too close to thought police.

Nate Dogg III

It’s the Figure Mode that’s the problem, supposedly, rather than the game itself. Being able to photograph increasingly scantily clad lasses from any angle was deemed too close to the bone (pardon the pun).

The law is being tested at the highest Swedish venue, the supreme court, by the manga translator others have mentioned. More here: http://www.next-gen.biz/news/nordic-dead-or-alive-release-cancelled

Robo-mitsu

Game has a bunch of sexualized school girls in a series that has always leaned towards soft core porn. Not massively surprising. Why else did you think Kasumi and Ayane’s ages were listed as NA?

“But in recent times people have been brought to court just for owning manga picturing young cartoon characters in some kind of sexual context.” What’s that? Pictures of kids in a sexual context is child porn? No shit!?

Nitro263

Cartoon characters classify as kids now?! Oh shit, I wish I went to school with them when I was growing up.

Tessius

How can it be child porn when it’s fiction? Just depicting it in a video game or a manga doesn’t make it real and therefore it holds no substance…

Taito

This doesn’t make sense but I like the message it sends. Man up Japan.

Kelter Skelter

DOA officially child pornography

Faith From Hell

lol

Some people don’t even understand the US laws that also state anything that looks like child porn whether it’s real or not can still be considered porn. But I guess this is where Ultra David comes in, right?

Anyways, the big picture is the schediaphiles miss out on something the pedophiles won’t give a shit about. Sweden, Norway, Denmark, gg.

Overworld

Actually in US law fictional characters are protected as freedom of expression.

“US law discriminates between pornographic images of an actual minor, realistic images that are not of an actual minor, and non-realistic images such as drawings. The latter two categories are legally protected unless found to be obscene, whereas the first does not require a finding of obscenity.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography_laws_in_the_United_States

So I guess this is where doing research comes in, right?
- Inverse
  
  One of the few things this country has done right. I find it amazing considering how brutally conservative America can be, that it still allows human beings to have freedom of the mind. While others are satisfied in controlling what even people THINK about sexually.

Neorussell

The new SRK reminds me so much of Gamespot now. Hope they change the style a bit more.

InTheLightBlue

Who cares about a hand held? If the game was really good, it wouldn’t need gimmicks such as what most games seem to do now a days.

Vinn Aleixo

Looks like Sweden doesn’t like big boobs

thejohnsonrock

ROFL is what i think on that. kids gonna get busted, adults gonna get their careers ended if caught in posession hahaha.

also liking the DARKNESSSS theme here on SRK. i need some parallax css murals scrollin in the BG though. or some MK ken burns animations lol. that’d be far too GDLK.

Master_Mind

I’d love to see Team Ninja just respond to this in the most flippant manor possible. Do something like changing the characters’ age to something ridiculous. “Kasumi? Yeah, she’s sixty three years old.”

KJunk

DoA (sex, boobs, more sex) has never appealed to me in the same way that Mortal Kombat (blood, bones cracking, deathdeathdeath) has never appealed to me. I’m not looking for that from my fighting game.

If I want those things, I can go watch a good movie where it’s done 10x better.

That said, there’s better ways to combat child molestation/pornography. This makes some people feel better but doesn’t actually accomplish anything.

Necrophile

ANIMAL SEX IS OK IN SWEDEN BUT DOA IS TOO OFFENSIVE FOR THEM

this is so unfair most people play those games for the bouncing DOA boobs not the lolis

Running Wild

Change their ages to 18/21

Problem solved.

Oh wait, if they did that they would be considered old hags by all the pedos.

Juzo Fuwa

Tecmo/Team Ninja needs to give one of the characters an ending where they take over/are given Sweden as a gift like Netherealm did with Australia in Mortal Kombat.

guitalex2007

My thoughts on this subject?

I paid for this game in full, and now I’m tempted to take my lunch break by heading over to Gamestop and picking this game up NOW.

I’m not in it to look at the young girls panties. That’s just weird. I’m in it to look at the big girl panties. And boobs.

The best part is that it also happens to be a fighting game.

Jet Set Dizzy

I’d love to see a “censored” version where they change their ages, would be hilarious.

USMCOgre

They should ban it for being a garbage DOA game

Cillranchelllo

I’m no DOA fan but I find this pretty ridiculous. Laws against child pornography are meant as a means of protecting children and prosecuting those owning child pornography for what is essentially an absent victim(that is, the principle is that the child photographed is considered a victim, yet not present in court.)

Logic demands one ask “where is the absent victim?” The girls in DOA girls are not living and breathing, nor sentient in any way. They exist so long as power is being fed to the console. Are the developers sick fucks for making under-aged characters with big tits and asses? They’re Japanese, which is an argument far more philosophical than this.

In the end, Sweden is acting in a way that not only harms free speech, but acts in direct contrast to the point of the law: prosecuting the offender on behalf of the absent child. I swear some countries may have some things right over America, but the things they have wrong are just incredibly stupid.

KaelDarkblade

This is kinda hilarous… never really wanted to buy the game and wasn’t interested in it but now i wonder… which character looks like a child in it? As an offtopic a bit.. or maybe not? It’s rather natural that many Japanese adult girls do still look like as if they were still minors… just sayin.

lordvaati

way to be stupid, Sweeden.

what’s next, ban guilty Gear because Dizzy is 3?

or Soul Calibur because of *inserrt loli character here*?

it’s not illegal if there is no nudity.

DaveTheRave

I think game designers need to rethink there designs, why do all girls have to be half naked, it’s not a selling point for me, when I want sex I go get it, I’m not looking fo rit in computer games, and let’s fac eit alot of japanese stuff is peadophelic, those of you who defend it obviously do not know what hentai is all about, pics of school girls with nickers flashing etc, and whats with half naked school girls in fighting games. It’s not right, I’m sorry if some of you are sex starved and want every little bit you can get but for fuk sakes watch some porn, and for those who think school girls are better fighters than 20 stone grown men you aint fooling no one, young girls will never be seen in a boxing ring, and there for the fact they appear in fighting games, is obvious signs that someone in the production team is a nonse.

DaveTheRave

It’s not the fact that the content is graphic or breaking the law, it’s the fact that the content even went in that direction. Think about it, think of characters like ryu & ken, pretty obvious, then we have weird and wonderful characters like blanka. All though blanka is unrealistic, it makes sense, but then a school girl, come on now, if you think something isn’t wrong then you need to fix up…

badroc

I don’t get it….are the chicks in the game naked and performing sexual acts on adult men? I doubt it….but if that is the case then this should be banned everywhere if the females depicted are under the age. but if not then who gives a shtt!

roq

The biggest problem with this ban based on the grounds of “child pornography” is that the characters in DOA are not children, and the photos you can take are in no way, shape, or form, pornographic. And even if it were, the age of consent in Sweden is 15, so it makes even less sense still.

And on top of that, girls the age of the DOA characters (18, 17, 16) know damn well if they want to take a dick or not. I think 18 being the age of consent is complete horseshit, and if you look it up 18 is the highest age of consent in the world and isn’t even that common (only in countries where it’s tied up in puritanical, right-wing religious garbage ie: the United States).

Ranadiel

The only thing I can think of is that according to DOA lore, Ayane, Hitome, Kasumi and Eliot are all 16, or depending on where you look, possibly younger.

Japan is really going to have to get over their fetish of sexualizing teenagers under the age of 18. I realize age of consent laws vary in different parts of the world, but 18 is generally accepted across the board in all major demographics. If anything, it would just be a smart business decision.

Last but not least… Come on Team Ninja. No one on the cast has ever had a body that even resembled a normal looking 16 year old. It’s time to just age them up already.

MAXOUT12

I find it hilarious that all the facts on the DOA characters are all being taken off of fan made site you want the truth you go to the source. Which is what i did so here is the facts the youngest characters in DOA are Eliot and Ayane. Hitome is 18 and Kasumi is 17. The reason why Ayane is 16 is because she was consider to be one year younger than Kasumi. Its the reason why Ayane always viewed Kasumi as an OLDER sister until she was assigned to kill her that is. These ages didn’t come from wiki no they came from http://teamninja-studio.com/doadimensions/us/ The official site of DOA Dimensions.

So that leaves you with just two 16 year old. Obviously we can leave Eliot out of this the most skin that kid showed was when he was wearing a hoody. I mean for crap sake Christie pretty much offered the boy free sex and he punched her in the face so were going to leave him out. That leaves the Bikini wearing Ayane literally the only real leg you have to stand on in this case. Well actually its not a leg at all you see the age of consent is around the age of 15 for japan. Funny thing is its the same in Sweden but don’t take my word of it try http://www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htm or just Google “age of consent in Sweden”.

The fact is the higher ups Sweden don’t like the game and unlike Australia they don’t have the balls to even be a douche bag about it so they hide behind this law and try to make it Team Ninja fault for there own cowardice.
- Ranadiel
  
  Thing is this – why make any of the cast lower than 18? What purpose does it serve for them to be younger? Why not just make the safe decision and make the entire cast 18+?

Doopliss

From what I’ve heard, some people threaten to sue Bergsala (nintendo’s distributor in sweden), just to prove how silly the law is. Because of this, they can’t sell the game here. I assume you could simply just import the game from UK though.

SVN4

Im no familiar with the series that much, in fact, i only recognize the purple hair girl and that other who seems her rival (SF-ish analogy, bare with me). Does the cast really include girls with AH aesthetics?

If not, and being those two “main characters” also not AH-ians in appareace, then i think it ends up to a problem concerning “secondary” elements — story details, costumes, characters bios, etc.

Those things are perfectly changeable without any implication to the game, even in a broad sense of the expression. Because, for example:
bios are easily changeable (and being the game like that, i doubt people would bother to verify the “correctedness” of their stimulation);
and luckily the storyline can be also as undefined and inchoherent as you wish (and its particularlly fortunate, for the sake of the argument, that the most popular fighting games put no emphasis/dont take stories seriously);
and its a girl-centered game, duh: they can change their clothes easily.
Besides all that, another thing which is avaliable, obviously, is remove that mode…

BTW, i’d like to know how is the relation of Sweden with DOA. I mean, its an old series now, and they even released games like that Beach Volleyball, WITH A SEQUEL — and for the old Xbox, thus, relatively old games now.

On a last note, stay free, governments of pussies — with a more “literal” connotation to “pussies” here than for the AUS [anti]example.

Maskedburrito

Who cares. Does anyone even care about this game? Not even the development team takes the game seriously. We went over this weeks ago.

ThreeSided

I’d like to point out that the US law *also* considers animated children involved in sexual acts child pornography…

This wasn’t the case until recently, more specifically during the Bush administration. The below link lists all US laws relating to child pornography.

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=1476

For those of you too lazy to look yourselves, I have pasted the relevant sections below.

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18 U.S.C. § 1466A (2008)

§ 1466A. OBSCENE VISUAL REPRESENTATIONS OF THE SEXUAL ABUSE OF CHILDREN

(a) In general. Any person who, in a circumstance described in subsection (d), knowingly produces, distributes, receives, or possesses with intent to distribute, a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that–

…

(2) (A) depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex;

…

(b) Additional offenses. Any person who, in a circumstance described in subsection (d), knowingly possesses a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that–
(1) (A) depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and
(B) is obscene; or
(2) (A) depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and
(B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value; or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be subject to the penalties provided in section 2252A(b)(2) [18 USCS § 2252A(b)(2)], including the penalties provided for cases involving a prior conviction.

(c) Nonrequired element of offense. It is not a required element of any offense under this section that the minor depicted actually exist.

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(f) Definitions. For purposes of this section–
(1) the term “visual depiction” includes undeveloped film and videotape, and data stored on a computer disk or by electronic means which is capable of conversion into a visual image, and also includes any photograph, film, video, picture, digital image or picture, computer image or picture, or computer generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means;
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There is also a list of related definitions in accordance to US law, one of which is child pornography:

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(8) “child pornography” means any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where–
(A) the production of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;
(B) such visual depiction is a digital image, computer image, or computer-generated image that is, or is indistinguishable from, that of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or
(C) such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct.
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All this being said… If it is banned there, shouldn’t it also be banned here?

HexElf

I want to thank Bergsala (the guys who distribute Nintendo games here) for really standing up for the DOA-fans over here and really put their foot down to ensure that this witch hunt does not escalate any further. Thank you for calling the media out on the absurdity of this situation so that no DOA-fan will feel like they’re suddenly potential sexual offenders.

I am being extremely ironic of course. Seriously, I consider their actions in this matter to be the equivalent of looking past bullying for the sake of not being bullied themselves. That is not the appropriate &/%¤&/# reaction!

HexElf

Get this, the legal age of consent here in Sweden is 15. ie if Kasumi, who is 17 in the game, was a real person you could legally have sex with her, no problem. But because photographing a “minor” video game character can apparently be labelled “child pornography” now – and this can apply even if she has clothes on in the pictures – I am actually more likely to get in trouble for posting DOA Paradise screenshots from my PSP than I would be sleeping with a 17-year-old Kasumi cosplayer. This entire situation is completely ridiculous and people like Shawn needs to STFU!

LeeRockU

Lol only not in the US could a game be scrutinized so hard that it is deemed “pornographic”.

d3f1anc3

I find this hilarious, ESP. considering the Witcher 2 (PC-RPG) was developed natively in Europe and has hands down the most hardcore sex scenes ever to grace a video-game in recent memory, if ever – and they’re all done very explicitly.

Seriously, over taking pictures of over-the-top fake anime-fighters in-game? Get the fuck out of here.

DaveTheRave

oes no one think it’s weird that skiny wafer thin girls with huge tits are in fighting games at all, the only time you seem them is holding up round cards at boxing. It’s more to do with the fact that alot of people who play video games don’t have lives, and come in there pants over anything. I personaly hate it when they try to use sex in films and stuff to sell it, If I want it Ill go get it, when I watch a film or game I have no intention of sexuall urges being satisfied, I don’t like being wound up. I agree there is probaly nothing in the game to get worried about, but in the wrong hands I don’t know I’m not an expert, but the issue is why it’s there in the first place also, just becuase they say a character is 18 or whatever, maybe she doesn’t look 18. I think they ar probaly trying to make a point and I don’t blame them, I also wouldn’t be to upset if they banned mortal kombat if too many kids were playing it, it definently can lead to desensatising violence, it’s sad they have to rely on that as the gameplay is weak, plus I all ready own a copy so it’s all good.

DaveTheRave

By the way it’s not just Japan with the Hentai problem, [what is age of consent out there?, also I'm sure sweden or somewhere doesn't have an age of consent, I heard as long as both pople are willing anything goes], the western world is also guilty, look at britney spears in her school uniform dancing around, and look out how record companies sell boy bands to girls, they buy what ever they throw at them before they have heard it and it’s not becuase they know they can make music. I have a prank recorded message, I ve rang loadsa people and playe dit, it’s a girl saying that she met you a while a go but she lied about her age and that she’s not 18, she says she’s really 14 but she’s gonna be 15 tommorow, she then goes on to give out her number, you’d be surprised at how many people start punching that number in there phone. Every ones so high and mighty when it comes to this subject but there’s a grey area that people push to far, so I think this thing has to stop becuase behind closed doors it’s feeding peoples urges and possibly pushing them in the wrong direction and maybe even making the boundaries more and more blurry, the boundaries need to be made clear.

Inverse

The boundaries are already pretty damn clear. You don’t touch kids. You don’t take pictures of kids. I think that’s pretty fucking clear. This gray area, of drawn or imagined concepts~ don’t exist. You’re attacking people’s thoughts. You’re attacking fantasy. The boundaries between reality and fantasy are pretty clear for most grown adults. Those that don’t have those boundaries, should pay the fucking price. Until then, the one boundary people really need to learn to identify is the one that has nothing to do with them, namely the thought processes of another human being. You’re treading into some dangerous territory with your rhetoric. Go ahead an engage free-thought and speech in your own head, I won’t attack it there~ but bring it out into the open and expect me to call it on the BS it is. You’re entitled to your opinion, but it’s muddled between that which you want to prevent (abuse of children) and that which you’re actually doing (condemning works of fantasy and art/entertainment).

stanz3000

Believe it or not, when i found out that DOA was to be released on a Nintendo(the Disney of consoles?) device, i expected something like this to happen, but not referring to CP. I remember playing the original DOA as a kid and few people found it offensive(bouncing bwbs?? c’mon..)
My take is that if they want to keep the elements of DOA for a younger/all audiences, they should make all characters at least 18+. There is little logic to make females in skimpy clothing underage (you perverted marketing dopes…), especially in a videogame. With this solution, there is no reason to ban it.

WINBACK

Here are my thoughts on this odd turn of events:

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!

EagiZ

Sweden got a lot of stupid laws, this is just one of them, I say: If no REAL minor is being sexually abused in this game I see no reason to ban it. Blame it on Beatrice Ask (M).

GameKyuubi

I wonder how authorities would react if the characters were canonically a negative age. Like -5 years old. 5 years BEFORE BIRTH, THIS CHARACTER IS FIGHTING ON A BEACH IN A SKIMPY BIKINI.

HexElf

Oh yeah, the game was never explicitly banned. Nintendo merely chose not to release DOAD to avoid controversy after a guy from the Swedish free-speech forum Flashback decided to make a complaint for the sake of making a point about our absurd laws in this issue. A statement from the police says that they wouldn’t even consider taking legal action because the game is obviously not pornographic in any shape or form – but Nintendo to not contend the complaint regardless. You can still import and play it legally.

Jason Rigsby

By this logic, the XENOSAGA series (or at least the third installment) is also child pornography; KOS-MOS is technically only a few years old.
While we’re at it, Disney’s THE LITTLE MERMAID would also be child pornography, since Ariel is a young teenager wearing a bikini made of strings and two shells.
Fun little fact: None of the nearly naked characters in the DISGAEA series count as “child pornography” because they are all at least a few thousand years old; therefore, this is PORN, while this is completely innocent.

Makes sense, right?

Jason Rigsby

Sorry, there were supposed to be URLs after each “this” in that post, but they didn’t display, for some reason.

First “this”: http://www.pixiepalace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/thelittlemermaid.jpg

Second “this”: http://i.neoseeker.com/mgv/60953-Shadow%20of%20Death/953/58/disgaea_etna_display.jpg

Iglo

The game itself is not banned over here it is just that the Nintendo distributors over here scandinavia pussied out because of this case regarding a Manga translator and collector, his now ex-wife reported him for possesion of child porn in the form of a manga called “Love Hina” and since she has an expensive lawyer the case has escalated. All in all Dead or Alive Dimensions does not violate any child porn laws what-so-ever over here it’s just that Nintendo is a bunch of pussies.

//Swedish greetings from Iglo

YanDaMan

If naked DoA girls are considered child porn, they must be the top-heaviest children ever.